NationStates Jolt Archive

Well? What would be your reaction if the United Nations was reformed into a World Federal Government with all existing nations in it? My personal reaction: Keep my fingers crossed that someone will not abuse the Federal World Government - i.e. use it as a platform for dictatorship.

my view: thumbs up :)

Well? What would be your reaction if the United Nations was reformed into a World Federal Government with all existing nations in it? My personal reaction: Keep my fingers crossed that someone will not abuse the Federal World Government - i.e. use it as a platform for dictatorship.

If the conspircay theorists are right, you'll be disappointed.

It could potentially be positive or negative, in my opinion. I think the most important thing is whether a world government reduces power differences between countries or reinforces them. Organisations like the World Bank and IMF pretty much just act in favour of the most powerful nations, but a federal world government might have some benefits like fairer world trade and mediation of conflict.

Bad idea. The UN is like a couple hundred cannibals and a handfull of civilized people having a democratic vote on what's for dinner.

Well? What would be your reaction if the United Nations was reformed into a World Federal Government with all existing nations in it? My personal reaction: Keep my fingers crossed that someone will not abuse the Federal World Government - i.e. use it as a platform for dictatorship.

Continue stockpiling shelf-stable food, guns, ammunition, and tools somewhere well-away from large population concentrations, because that much power, that centralized, has tended to have only one result-corruption followed by collapse into a dark age. Generally the corruption period is accompanied by horrific human-rights abuses and oppressive taxation, several periods of Dictatorship, (usually successive dictators) and massive inefficiency and technological/economic stagnation.

Really, it's the natural outcome of any condition in which there is a monopoly on some critical system.

One word: NO!


Don't get me started...

I tend to view it more as a bunch of monkeys flinging poo at each other, but that works too.

Flawed as the US government is, I'd rather just keep dealing with it than the UN. Flawed as it is, we're still among the lucky countries and I'd rather deal with what we have than something as incompetent as the UN.

A world government would be risky. Sure, it could have advantages, but if abused, things could go horribly wrong. One of the last things I want is a global dictatorship. Whether I'd support the creation of a world government depends on exactly how the government is structured and what it's powers are.

I wouldn't support a world government if:
1) There is any position with powers similar to that of the US President.
2) There is not a reasonable divison of powers between world and national governments.
3) There is not at least a small world bill of rights.
4) There is no checks and balance system or a bad one.

I doubt there will ever be a world government that I'd support.

Well? What would be your reaction if the United Nations was reformed into a World Federal Government with all existing nations in it? My personal reaction: Keep my fingers crossed that someone will not abuse the Federal World Government - i.e. use it as a platform for dictatorship.

I'd hate it. The UN and its complete ineffectiveness and corruption convinces me that the nations of the world would be abused by those in power.

Having a position similar to the US presidency is extremely important to avoiding dictatorship. First of all, the president is elected by the people so you don't get someone that more than half the people like rather than someone more than half the people hate. Second, the president's power is not absolute. The other branches of government have as much power over his as his does over theirs.

Federal World Government is the epitome of the quintessence of the culmination of the worst bad ideas in a long unbroken history of bad ideas.

Federal World Government is the epitome of the quintessence of the culmination of the worst bad ideas in a long unbroken history of bad ideas.

I couldn't have put it better myself.

A nation that large with regional differences would be impossible to rule well and would spend most of its time and money putting down rebellions and civil wars. I'll take a pass.

It would either collapse in to war or become so indescribably corrupt (UN on steroids) that any attempt to get anything done would become paralysed in the bureaucracy. Either way, it would fail miserably and make things worse for everyone involved.

A lot of governments already have so many people living under their rule that they've lost the ability to effectively represent them. A world government would only serve as a more glaring example of that point.

Plus the more powerful nations would be putting more water in the bucket. If they didn't have more representation as a result then that wouldn't be fair to them. Yet the other way around, as has been stated already, would lead back to colonialism... I don't see any way that such an institution would work.

Yeah, sure, sounds great. Don't China and India combine for, like, one-third of the world population or something like that? That's a recipe for representational success right there.

What's wrong with India? World's largest democracy!!! Anyway, World Federal Government...? AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH, losing sovereignty!!!

Impossible at this point. Everyone is too natiionalistic and self sacrificing for this to work. But it'd be a great idea. And I suspect that this is an inevitability by the start of the 22nd century. We are seeing the beginnings already.

I am completely against it. Centralising power leads to power being concentrated in the hands of a few, leading to a lack of freedom for the much larger majority.

To be blunt, its the Devil...

Federal World Government is the epitome of the quintessence of the culmination of the worst bad ideas in a long unbroken history of bad ideas.

Yup.

I'd have to say NO to a world goverment. All that crap I buried in my pasture that I thought I'd never need.....I'd have to dig that stuff up.

Oh crap, what stuff? I only own a 10/22 and a .38 Mr. G-Man..

Impossible at this point. Everyone is too natiionalistic and self sacrificing for this to work. But it'd be a great idea. And I suspect that this is an inevitability by the start of the 22nd century. We are seeing the beginnings already.

It will never work as long as Americans are proud of their Heritage and the fact that they have a working constitution.

It will never work

It will never work as long as Americans are proud of their Heritage and the fact that they have a working constitution.

It will never work
Not unless we consider where the world is heading. I don't know what the end result will be, but I do know that what we are seeing is the biggest change since the Renaissance. At current, it looks as if capital and labor are the two underlying forces in the world. Why? Because they are breaking barriers and killing ideaologies that don't suit them. I'm no Marxist, but Karl Marx said many of the things I'm saying. Like I said, I don't know the shape of the world when I die. But our ideas about society, government, business, religion, and culture will change drastically. And because it is too economically inconvinient, the nation state as we know it may cease to exist in all but the poorest and most repressive places in the world.

I like the idea, but it would all depend on how much power that government would have, technically the UN is the government you describe, but it sucks

I like the idea, but it would all depend on how much power that government would have, technically the UN is the government you describe, but it sucks

The UN is no such thing. It can't even find its own bunghole in the middle of the night with a flashlight and blinking neon sign! It's more like a sleepover party that lasts forever and you can't control the people who come over, and they're all idiots with world socialism on the brain....something like that.

Another reason there will not be a World goverment for some time: John Bolton.

:D

The UN is no such thing. It can't even find its own bunghole in the middle of the night with a flashlight and blinking neon sign! It's more like a sleepover party that lasts forever and you can't control the people who come over, and they're all idiots with world socialism on the brain....something like that.

but on paper, it is a federal world govenrment

in real life it answers the question; "can this work?"

but on paper, it is a federal world govenrment

in real life it answers the question; "can this work?"

It may be a Federal world goverment...
































But it stops 12 miles off the coast of the United States of America. (International Law Recognizes terroritorial waters to be within 12 miles of land)

:D

Others have already adequately described the corruption and loss of liberty that would result from a federal world government. If it happened, I’d probably end up in some sort of armed revolutionary militia or something.

Others have already adequately described the corruption and loss of liberty that would result from a federal world government. If it happened, I’d probably end up in some sort of armed revolutionary militia or something.

Agreed.

Well? What would be your reaction if the United Nations was reformed into a World Federal Government with all existing nations in it? My personal reaction: Keep my fingers crossed that someone will not abuse the Federal World Government - i.e. use it as a platform for dictatorship.

Well, I would just personally say I hope Im dead long before that. Since I think the UN is fairly useless as it is.

Well? What would be your reaction if the United Nations was reformed into a World Federal Government with all existing nations in it? My personal reaction: Keep my fingers crossed that someone will not abuse the Federal World Government - i.e. use it as a platform for dictatorship.

I'd be steadfast against it. Hell, I'll even start up a quiet rebellion in hopes that it grows steadily to bring it down and win back our independence. It is difficult for me as an independent American to have proper representation in my federal level government. I'd be damned ridiculous to try to have things changed on a global level. Hell, I'd have NO ****ing representation at all. I for instance highly disagree with George Bush and his neo-cons in office. Imagine the pointlessness in having something changed on a global scale.

Americans won our independence. We don't need a global government telling us what to do, when to do it, and how to do it. So to your new world order, or united nations... I say "**** off."

A global government would end up being a bloated corrupt beast of a thing, and if not actively then I would at least resist it passively.

If anything we should abolish the UN in favor of a less powerful organization.

If anything we should abolish the UN in favor of a less powerful organization.

How about abolish it all together?

If anything we should abolish the UN in favor of a less powerful organization.

Aye, I would vote for getting rid of the thing. Not because of its power though. They pass resolutions against tyrants and when they just get noses thumbed at em the weak sister members get to shivering thinking about the loss to their income from the against sanctions trading they have going...

That and how much countries have to pay in to it when others pay in squat compared. To hades with all that.

We saw how well the League of Nations worked to save us from future world wars. Who thinks this one will do better catering and bowing and begging for good deeds instead of demanding it ?

Impossible at this point. Everyone is too natiionalistic and self sacrificing for this to work. But it'd be a great idea. And I suspect that this is an inevitability by the start of the 22nd century. We are seeing the beginnings already.

Our government in the U.K. is decentralising at the moment. Inevitability? I hope to still be alive at the start of 22nd century, what with medical advances and such, no way I'd let it happen.