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I have just looked at the post pyramid/sphinx comment thingy and seen the mods response. While spamming is clearly banned within the rules, I'm interested in what basis decisions about things like Rotovia's pyramid come from.

Is not every topic in General merely a presentation of something someone finds amusing? Is not every single one spawned by a drive to expel something, to create, to eliminate boredom? Is there really any difference between a complex opinion on evolution and an idle post pyramid, in regard to what this forum is designed for? Isn't the purpose of this forum merely to allow a site for discourse, for exposition? Why must such exposition be formulated as an opinion? When a post doesn't disrupt the forum but merely enriches its discourse, how is that more harmful than the usual often bigotrous, violent discussions that fill this forum?

Note I do not question the mods, I merely wish to discuss.

I have just looked at the post pyramid/sphinx comment thingy and seen the mods response. While spamming is clearly banned within the rules, I'm interested in what basis decisions about things like Rotovia's pyramid come from.

Is not every topic in General merely a presentation of something someone finds amusing? Is not every single one spawned by a drive to expel something, to create, to eliminate boredom? Is there really any difference between a complex opinion on evolution and an idle post pyramid, in regard to what this forum is designed for? Isn't the purpose of this forum merely to allow a site for discourse, for exposition? Why must such exposition be formulated as an opinion? When a post doesn't disrupt the forum but merely enriches its discourse, how is that more harmful than the usual often bigotrous, violent discussions that fill this forum?

Note I do not question the mods, I merely wish to discuss.



Yeah, Sphinxs don't start flame wars either!

There's a strange line between what is acceptable and what isn't.

For example, a thread between religon and atheism is acceptable. Even though time and again it is proved that such a thread degrades into a flame war and no one ever wins.

A spam thread allows people to socialize together and understand each other more and have more fun and have a nice break. Ever see someone warned for flaming in a spam thread? Nope. Why? The atmosphere is too positive.

Reason that quote threads are banned is because they became so massive, pre-Jolt, that they'd kill the loading time, if I recall properly.

The reason that spam in general seems to be banned is likely due to the fact that Jolt has its own Chat and Spam sections in which you can post such things to your heart's content.

Reason that quote threads are banned is because they became so massive, pre-Jolt, that they'd kill the loading time, if I recall properly.
Pre-Jolt they were only moddable if you went to insane numbers. Like 10 quotes.

Quotes of 4 or 5 were fine.

A perfect opportunity to show off the Nationstates Freedom Pact (http://nsf.fapfap.org/) that somebody came up with.

Reason that quote threads are banned is because they became so massive, pre-Jolt, that they'd kill the loading time, if I recall properly.

The reason that spam in general seems to be banned is likely due to the fact that Jolt has its own Chat and Spam sections in which you can post such things to your heart's content.

If Jolt has its own Chat, why does NS have General? Simply put, its a different community and a different audience. Same reason we need to include benign "spam": its for the NS audience.

If Jolt has its own Chat, why does NS have General? Simply put, its a different community and a different audience. Same reason we need to include benign "spam": its for the NS audience.

True. And I do agree that we need some of the "spam" back...Word games were nice.

I think Rotovia has crossed the line and may the spawn of Satan... I say we ban him now and ask questions later... :sniper:

I think Rotovia has crossed the line and may the spawn of Satan... I say we ban him now and ask questions later... :sniper:

Doesn't look like you're on International Incidents...you lied to the Mods...back to your cage!

If Jolt has its own Chat, why does NS have General? Simply put, its a different community and a different audience. Same reason we need to include benign "spam": its for the NS audience.

NS had a "General forum" before it moved to Jolt in the first place.

NS had a "General forum" before it moved to Jolt in the first place.

Point though is that it still has one because it is still a separate community. Thus, it needs its own source of spam, particularly on general.

Wait....you're a mod......

EVERYBODY DOWN!!!!!!!!!!

Point though is that it still has one because it is still a separate community. Thus, it needs its own source of spam, particularly on general.

Ah, like DIY stores need their own airports in case you don't want to land your plane at the airport provided?

Ah, like DIY stores need their own airports in case you don't want to land your plane at the airport provided?
I've been to their spam forums. It is utter crap compared to the stuff from Forum 7.

At least NS Spam would bring people together. Can you deny that?

I've been to their spam forums. It is utter crap compared to the stuff from Forum 7.

Then take your friends and go change that, superman, rather than sitting around complaining about it. It's been said a thousand times that there won't be an NS spam forum, and that policy won't change.

I'm sorry, I thought this was about Rotivia antiques.

I was hoping to find a hula girl lamp.

Then take your friends and go change that, superman, rather than sitting around complaining about it. It's been said a thousand times that there won't be an NS spam forum, and that policy won't change.
I direct you to Post Numero 3 where no spam forum is even needed.

There's a strange line between what is acceptable and what isn't.

For example, a thread between religon and atheism is acceptable. Even though time and again it is proved that such a thread degrades into a flame war and no one ever wins.

A spam thread allows people to socialize together and understand each other more and have more fun and have a nice break. Ever see someone warned for flaming in a spam thread? Nope. Why? The atmosphere is too positive.
What is the policy against spam? To spread irony throughout the forums? :D

What is the policy against spam? To spread irony throughout the forums? :D

To annoy and confound you. As in you, specifically.

Then take your friends and go change that, superman, rather than sitting around complaining about it. It's been said a thousand times that there won't be an NS spam forum, and that policy won't change.
Many of your former compatriots seem to disagree...

*runs back to international incidents to hide*

i think a small bit of spam can be fine, its usually good natured stuff unlike some of the more serious debates

I have just looked at the post pyramid/sphinx comment thingy and seen the mods response. While spamming is clearly banned within the rules, I'm interested in what basis decisions about things like Rotovia's pyramid come from.

Is not every topic in General merely a presentation of something someone finds amusing? Is not every single one spawned by a drive to expel something, to create, to eliminate boredom? Is there really any difference between a complex opinion on evolution and an idle post pyramid, in regard to what this forum is designed for? Isn't the purpose of this forum merely to allow a site for discourse, for exposition? Why must such exposition be formulated as an opinion? When a post doesn't disrupt the forum but merely enriches its discourse, how is that more harmful than the usual often bigotrous, violent discussions that fill this forum?

Note I do not question the mods, I merely wish to discuss.


The rules arent fair.

They were never meant to be.

Ive been here a long time now, and Ive seen people get deleted for all sorts of reasons.
Even been deleted once myself.
Most of the time, the offender has it coming.

But not always.

Ive seen some of the more outspoken mods, forum ban, or even delete a player, for something they had done earlier in the week, or even get overly touchy about a certain subject, and distribute justice with the DeatHammer.

Mods are a necessary evil, and without thier presence, this forum would be over-run by spammers, and trolls and flamers.

Out of the few cases where a mod clearly over-reacted and the punishment did not fit the crime, there is no one to go to.
I rarely hear about [Violet]'s presence, or anyone of that nature around, so really..there isnt anyone to make anyone answer to a higher authority.

So....their word is law on this forum.

No..its not fair....but really, as long as you dont do anything do raise thier ire, you really dont have much to worry about.

DAMN YOU MODS

*tries to run at them, but after only a few seconds several armed guys catch me and drag me away kicking and screaming*

just kidding, i love you guys
*whispers to some non mod fellow NSer*
Think they bought it?

i think they just need to lighten up occasionaly

I can see their point. Spam will fill up the boards and make a real mess of Jolts already fragile servers.

however, Some spam can also help develope the imagination, educate and relieve stress from all of the serious debate threads out there.

and of course some Spam needs to be fried, marinated and served on a bed of rice.... sorry, getting hungry.. be right back.

At least NS Spam would bring people together. Can you deny that?

No, but have you considered that I don't want to be brought together with you? :D

There's a strange line between what is acceptable and what isn't.

For example, a thread between religon and atheism is acceptable. Even though time and again it is proved that such a thread degrades into a flame war and no one ever wins.

Not all the time. There have been plenty of threads that haven't degraded into flame wars. I suggest you pay more attention to debates in the General forum. Even so, there are very few people who actually resolve to flaming, here in General. There are a number of people who debate, and have debated for a long time now, that haven't flamed another player. The 1% of people who cause trouble, will continue to do so, but the rest of the players are at least decent debaters.

A spam thread allows people to socialize together and understand each other more and have more fun and have a nice break. Ever see someone warned for flaming in a spam thread? Nope. Why? The atmosphere is too positive.

Spam threads also lead to post-whoring, which is against the rules.
Have you ever seen anyone warned for spamming in a spam thread? Yes. All too often. You act as if we are against people having fun. Have you ever noticed the threads that we do allow to stay open?

To answer your question, yes.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=438626

The thing is, there's a finite number of threads that go on a page. If you allow spam thread, they will take all the place on the first page of General. Regular threads about abortion, religion and so forth will be relegated quickly to the abyss that is page 3-4.

I think that's a big why spam isn't allowed. Word game fall under the same reasoning.

A few fun non-debate, non-postwhore threads have been left in general

I don't think it's so bad.

A few fun non-debate, non-postwhore threads have been left in general

I don't think it's so bad.

Threads in General don't have to be debate threads, just as long as some sort of relevent discussion takes place, such as this thread.

Threads in General don't have to be debate threads, just as long as some sort of relevent discussion takes place, such as this thread.
Or discussing Rotovia... damn I hate that guy!