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Sarcasm and (sometimes non-)Humorous Irony: People Suck at Recognizing it.

Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 01:09
Let me preface my statement by stating that I, myself, have been guilty of this transgression. If you feel that you, yourself, have not, then I envy your luxurious mansion smack dab in the middle of Delusionville. :D :p [and several other mostly superfluous smilies]

I see a lot of people here reacting with outrage to posts that are clearly and sometimes agonizingly rife with sarcasm, parody and near-blatant insult comedy. Some are funny. Some are funny only after one realizes that it's a joke. Some make me wish I had a back button for my life.

Still, what makes me pull my hair out is when someone suffers from a premature interjection and feels like they have to lecture the original poster on just how ignorant the obviously facetious original post was and continues to be.

So I ask, what can we, as faithful NS-ers, do to improve this woeful state of affairs? What can we do to help stamp out this kind of unforgivable asshattery?

Your faithful servant, Gymoor.

P.S. Has anyone seen my pants?
Lunatic Goofballs
18-08-2005, 01:11
P.S. Has anyone seen my pants?

Is THAT what you're calling them?!?
Lord-General Drache
18-08-2005, 01:12
Is THAT what you're calling them?!?

Well, they ARE so last fall. *Sighs, shakes head*

But yes, Mr./Ms.Pantsless, I agree. I've done the same thing, though I'm usually quite good with sarcasm, in dishing it out, and receiving it..Online or off.
TearTheSkyOut
18-08-2005, 01:13
How about a posting section for obviously (to the poster obviously) sarcastic topics...
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 01:14
Is THAT what you're calling them?!?

You don't want to know what they call me.
Lunatic Goofballs
18-08-2005, 01:16
You don't want to know what they call me.

Sweatycrack? :)
Origami Tigers
18-08-2005, 01:16
You insensitive SOB/DOB!!! How dare you suggest that sarcasm or irony have any place in these serious and sometimes sensitve threads??? Humore cannot be allowed in these modern times of violence and hatred! We must remain stern and starched!!! Kill all clowns!!
Lunatic Goofballs
18-08-2005, 01:18
Kill all clowns!!

:eek:

*begins to stockpile balloons and pies at a montana ranch where the clown-killers can be seen coming.*
JuNii
18-08-2005, 01:21
Let me preface my statement by stating that I, myself, have been guilty of this transgression. If you feel that you, yourself, have not, then I envy your luxurious mansion smack dab in the middle of Delusionville. :D :p [and several other mostly superfluous smilies]

I see a lot of people here reacting with outrage to posts that are clearly and sometimes agonizingly rife with sarcasm, parody and near-blatant insult comedy. Some are funny. Some are funny only after one realizes that it's a joke. Some make me wish I had a back button for my life.

Still, what makes me pull my hair out is when someone suffers from a premature interjection and feels like they have to lecture the original poster on just how ignorant the obviously facetious original post was and continues to be.

So I ask, what can we, as faithful NS-ers, do to improve this woeful state of affairs? What can we do to help stamp out this kind of unforgivable asshattery?

Your faithful servant, Gymoor.

P.S. Has anyone seen my pants?well, we could instill a tag but I can see it being over used.

P.S. saw a dog running by with what looks like pants. It did have a leg in it tho.
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 01:24
:eek:

*begins to stockpile balloons and pies at a montana ranch where the clown-killers can be seen coming.*

*begins cornering the black market for rubber novelty items and seltzer bottles.
Pure Metal
18-08-2005, 01:25
i have a friend at uni whose humour pretty much soley consists of the most dry, subtle sarcasm you could possibly think of. it actually took me months of taking him seriously until he dumbed it down to a level where i realised he was being sarcastic :headbang:
i blame him for being far too subtle though :p
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 01:25
well, we could instill a tag but I can see it being over used.

P.S. saw a dog running by with what looks like pants. It did have a leg in it tho.

Ah no! My lucky trouser dog!
Epsonee
18-08-2005, 01:25
Let me preface my statement by stating that I, myself, have been guilty of this transgression. If you feel that you, yourself, have not, then I envy your luxurious mansion smack dab in the middle of Delusionville. :D :p [and several other mostly superfluous smilies]

I see a lot of people here reacting with outrage to posts that are clearly and sometimes agonizingly rife with sarcasm, parody and near-blatant insult comedy. Some are funny. Some are funny only after one realizes that it's a joke. Some make me wish I had a back button for my life.

Still, what makes me pull my hair out is when someone suffers from a premature interjection and feels like they have to lecture the original poster on just how ignorant the obviously facetious original post was and continues to be.

So I ask, what can we, as faithful NS-ers, do to improve this woeful state of affairs? What can we do to help stamp out this kind of unforgivable asshattery?

Your faithful servant, Gymoor.

P.S. Has anyone seen my pants?
I think the problem stems from the fact that in real life (I only have a couple months experience in real life) people know something is sarcastic because of the tone of the persons voice. If people used the sarcastic smiley I think this confusion would be reduced :rolleyes:.
[NS]Amestria
18-08-2005, 01:26
Let me preface my statement by stating that I, myself, have been guilty of this transgression. If you feel that you, yourself, have not, then I envy your luxurious mansion smack dab in the middle of Delusionville. :D :p [and several other mostly superfluous smilies]

I see a lot of people here reacting with outrage to posts that are clearly and sometimes agonizingly rife with sarcasm, parody and near-blatant insult comedy. Some are funny. Some are funny only after one realizes that it's a joke. Some make me wish I had a back button for my life.

Still, what makes me pull my hair out is when someone suffers from a premature interjection and feels like they have to lecture the original poster on just how ignorant the obviously facetious original post was and continues to be.

So I ask, what can we, as faithful NS-ers, do to improve this woeful state of affairs? What can we do to help stamp out this kind of unforgivable asshattery?

Your faithful servant, Gymoor.

P.S. Has anyone seen my pants?

You have to remember that the difference in medium. When you are being sarcasitc or ironic in person you have all kinds of attributes to assist you (tone of voice, facial expression, body language, surrounding events/objects, est.). Here all remarks are written and attributes are limited to faces such as :rolleyes: :p :D :headbang: . Deadpan thus becomes the order of the day, and there are those who are not good at it or good at "getting it".

Also you have to remember that there are a lot of crazies on the Wired, so people tend to have their guard up.....

On a side note, I have complete confidence that the Earth's energy problems will be solved once it becomes feasible to mine space oil....
Lunatic Goofballs
18-08-2005, 01:27
*begins cornering the black market for rubber novelty items and seltzer bottles.

If you want big floppy shoes, you have to go through me. :cool:
Origami Tigers
18-08-2005, 01:30
P.S. I came up with my own solution to the identification of those who use sarcasm and irony. (See sig, cut & paste if desired)

P.P.S. Speaking of pants... if you go into a store that displays the admonition "No shoes, no shirt, no service", I suggest going into the store with no pants. If only for the simple joy of being put in handcuffs and being able to add "Arrested for indecent exposure" to your list of "Fun Things I Did Last Summer".
Lord-General Drache
18-08-2005, 01:30
i have a friend at uni whose humour pretty much soley consists of the most dry, subtle sarcasm you could possibly think of. it actually took me months of taking him seriously until he dumbed it down to a level where i realised he was being sarcastic :headbang:
i blame him for being far too subtle though :p
Geez, PM, I thought all Brits understood sarcasm. Obviously, you should move out of your country, and send a letter to the Queen apologizing. Right now!*Sighs, shakes head*

I can easily do the exact same thing as your friend..lol. It can drive people nuts.
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 01:31
Amestria']
On a side note, I have complete confidence that the Earth's energy problems will be solved once it becomes feasible to mine space oil....

Thank god for space dinosaurs.
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 01:32
If you want big floppy shoes, you have to go through me. :cool:

Damn my big floppy feet!
Pure Metal
18-08-2005, 01:33
Geez, PM, I thought all Brits understood sarcasm. Obviously, you should move out of your country, and send a letter to the Queen apologizing. Right now!*Sighs, shakes head*

I can easily do the exact same thing as your friend..lol. It can drive people nuts.
there's normal British sarcasm, and then there's his sarcasm... its on another level i tell you :eek:


sorry i was going to attempt to post something sarcastic and incredibly witty to show that i do indeed still deserve to live in sarcasm-land, but its too late and i'm tired :headbang:
Lord-General Drache
18-08-2005, 01:34
there's normal British sarcasm, and then there's his sarcasm... its on another level i tell you :eek:


sorry i was going to attempt to post something sarcastic and incredibly witty to show that i do indeed still deserve to live in sarcasm-land, but its too late and i'm tired :headbang:
No excuses! We're sending you to the middle of Australia. Yes, the very middle. In the desert. And you still have to apologize.
Ay-way
18-08-2005, 02:03
I got caught out here big time about 2 weeks ago... it's what happens when you can't be arsed to read a post properly and just skim over it before you throw your opinion or indignation out there.

But we NEED this type of asshattery. Nothing shows the true measure of ones character more than how you react after prematurely throwing out something half-assed and looking like a complete fool. A persons reaction to that says more about who you're dealing with than 100 of their posts on other shit :)
Gartref
18-08-2005, 02:05
I think sarcastic people suck.
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 07:58
I think sarcastic people suck.

Yeah, and ironic people are just great...
Oxwana
18-08-2005, 08:07
Let me preface my statement by stating that I, myself, have been guilty of this transgression. If you feel that you, yourself, have not, then I envy your luxurious mansion smack dab in the middle of Delusionville.Can I turn my mansion into a commune?

So I ask, what can we, as faithful NS-ers, do to improve this woeful state of affairs? What can we do to help stamp out this kind of unforgivable asshattery? :p The tags are a good idea.

Asshattery. tee hee. I'm taking that, and you can't stop me.

P.S. Has anyone seen my pants?Pants are for squares. Consider yourself lucky to be rid of them.
Messerach
18-08-2005, 09:33
This reminds me of the Space Jews post that ended up being used as 'proof' of rampant fascism in NS. Seriously, anyone who didn't spot that as an joke is far too humour-deficient. I really don't like the idea of sticking a big *sarcasm* label on humour, why not just aim humour at people smart enough to recognise it?
Relative Power
18-08-2005, 09:49
This reminds me of the Space Jews post that ended up being used as 'proof' of rampant fascism in NS. Seriously, anyone who didn't spot that as an joke is far too humour-deficient. I really don't like the idea of sticking a big *sarcasm* label on humour, why not just aim humour at people smart enough to recognise it?


Sarcasm is only for the weak minded anyway.

But if one of those must use it
then Sarcasm/Sarcasm tags must be used.

There is no point to sarcasm if indeed there is any point to it at all
unless it is clearly signalled.

I for one will never use those tags as I would never dream of lowering
myself to that level
I Still Like Oranges
18-08-2005, 10:57
whats a sarcasm?
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 11:32
whats a sarcasm?

I don't know, but it's right behind you!
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 11:35
Sarcasm is only for the weak minded anyway.

But if one of those must use it
then Sarcasm/Sarcasm tags must be used.

There is no point to sarcasm if indeed there is any point to it at all
unless it is clearly signalled.

I for one will never use those tags as I would never dream of lowering
myself to that level


Man..your poo smells of roses, does it not?

Pray tell o' wizened sage...why doth sarcasm not stretch the wings of the intellectual mind?
Mekonia
18-08-2005, 11:37
You insensitive SOB/DOB!!! How dare you suggest that sarcasm or irony have any place in these serious and sometimes sensitve threads??? Humore cannot be allowed in these modern times of violence and hatred! We must remain stern and starched!!! Kill all clowns!!


You should keep the clowns, I've never found them funny-with there huge shoes, freaky hair and horrible music following them like a lost puppy :eek:
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 11:37
P.S. Has anyone seen my pants?

You call those pants? More like the devil's underwear if you ask me.
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 11:41
You should keep the clowns, I've never found them funny-with there huge shoes, freaky hair and horrible music following them like a lost puppy :eek:


Lunatic Goofballs will be saddened to hear it.

However...as he IS a clown..hes probably plotting your demise, even now.
Thats the bad news.

The good news is that you will probably be smothered in a Gigantic Cream Pie.
Or....wrapped in a cotton candy cocoon, and your vital juices drained.
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 11:42
Lunatic Goofballs will be saddened to hear it.

However...as he IS a clown..hes probably plotting your demise, even now.
Thats the bad news.

The good news is that you will probably be smothered in a Gigantic Cream Pie.
Or....wrapped in a cotton candy cocoon, and your vital juices drained.

Or sent on a camel ride to the Antartic.
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:01
Or sent on a camel ride to the Antartic.


You think clowns would do that?
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:03
You think clowns would do that?

They took care of my uncle that way once.
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:06
They took care of my uncle that way once.


I tell you....evil is in the heart of anything that climbs out of a tiny car, followed by an impossible number of its brethren.
Tactical Grace
18-08-2005, 12:09
It is safe to assume that if you see me advancing a unilateralist, neo-conservative "my country, right or wrong" argument, which I can do with great eloquence, I am merely skillfully taking the piss. :p
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:12
I tell you....evil is in the heart of anything that climbs out of a tiny car, followed by an impossible number of its brethren.

Tell me about it. Last week school stopped because of a swarm of bees living in a car.
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:14
Tell me about it. Last week school stopped because of a swarm of bees living in a car.


THE CLOWNS HAVE GOTTEN TO THE BEES NOW?!

Curse you Emmet Kelly!!!!!

*shakes fist*
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:15
THE CLOWNS HAVE GOTTEN TO THE BEES NOW?!

Curse you Emmet Kelly!!!!!

*shakes fist*

I'd be cursing the small sweet filled box under the seats. It's what lured them there.
Werteswandel
18-08-2005, 12:20
I think the problem stems from the fact that in real life (I only have a couple months experience in real life) people know something is sarcastic because of the tone of the persons voice. If people used the sarcastic smiley I think this confusion would be reduced :rolleyes:.
That smiley is sarcasm? I thought it was an expression of mild derision.

Perhaps all British posters should identify themselves as such; that way everyone will know that anything we say is designed to be taken with a pinch of salt. 'Cos we're all sarcastic bastards and Americans just don't get it.

:rolleyes: ?
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:23
That smiley is sarcasm? I thought it was an expression of mild derision.

Perhaps all British posters should identify themselves as such; that way everyone will know that anything we say is designed to be taken with a pinch of salt. 'Cos we're all sarcastic bastards and Americans just don't get it.

:rolleyes: ?


See..you guys dont think we get it.

We get it....youre just not funny.

*Except the Pythons.....of course.
*And the possible exception of Benny Hill.
*Oh! and Eddie Izzard.
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:25
See..you guys dont think we get it.

We get it....youre just not funny.

*Except the Pythons.....of course.
*And the possible exception of Benny Hill.
*Oh! and Eddie Izzard.

And that guy with dark hair.
Compulsive Depression
18-08-2005, 12:25
Man..your poo smells of roses, does it not?

Pray tell o' wizened sage...why doth sarcasm not stretch the wings of the intellectual mind?
I think you just made the exact mistake this thread was meant to address :)

The good news is that you will probably be smothered in a Gigantic Cream Pie.
Euphemisms are terrible things.

--

My humour is rather dry... I think that's one reason everyone thinks I'm a miserable sod. It's also why I put the subtle hint in my sig :)
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:27
I think you just made the exact mistake this thread was meant to address :)


Nah...just further elaborating an already existing one.

Answering sarcasm....with sarcasm.
Werteswandel
18-08-2005, 12:28
See..you guys dont think we get it.

We get it....youre just not funny.

*Except the Pythons.....of course.
*And the possible exception of Benny Hill.
*Oh! and Eddie Izzard.
Well done, sir! You spotted it!

Hang on... Benny Hill? *sarcasm detector explodes*
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:28
I think you just made the exact mistake this thread was meant to address :)


Euphemisms are terrible things.

--

My humour is rather dry... I think that's one reason everyone thinks I'm a miserable sod. It's also why I put the subtle hint in my sig :)

But you made a mistake too! Put that in your fireplace and do dancing things to it.
Werteswandel
18-08-2005, 12:29
My humour is rather dry... I think that's one reason everyone thinks I'm a miserable sod. It's also why I put the subtle hint in my sig :)
Nah, it's the fact you're from *near* Corby. I defy anyone not to be a miserable sod in those circumstances.
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:30
Well done, sir! You spotted it!

Hang on... Benny Hill? *sarcasm detector explodes*


'sa mattah?

Not a Benny Hill fan?
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:31
'sa mattah?

Not a Benny Hill fan?

What's Benny Hill?
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:33
What's Benny Hill?


A dead english comedian.

Or..

A flavor of chicken...I havent decided.
Compulsive Depression
18-08-2005, 12:34
Nah...just further elaborating an already existing one.

Answering sarcasm....with sarcasm.
But I thought you were American? That's what confused me. Sorry!

Nah, it's the fact you're from *near* Corby. I defy anyone not to be a miserable sod in those circumstances.
Its infamy spreads to the other side of the Thames? Wow.
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:34
A dead english comedian.

Or..

A flavor of chicken...I havent decided.

Are you sure it isn't a run down-steak house?
SHAENDRA
18-08-2005, 12:35
You should keep the clowns, I've never found them funny-with there huge shoes, freaky hair and horrible music following them like a lost puppy :eek:
Clowns are creepy, ever since i read ''IT'' by Stephen King with Pennywise the Evil Clown,I involuntarily shiver whenever i see one ,even Ronald McDonald, especially him. Seriously!
Werteswandel
18-08-2005, 12:36
What's Benny Hill?
The site of an ancient druid festival in south-western England. One of the peculiarities of Britain's piecemeal legal system is that it's technically legal to sacrifice a virgin girl on Benny Hill at the spring and autumn equinoxes, provided that the sacrifice is mutually consensual and one has applied for the appropriate permit from Wiltshire County Council.

Squatches is right - it's funny as fuck.
Werteswandel
18-08-2005, 12:37
Its infamy spreads to the other side of the Thames? Wow.
And Beyond...
BackwoodsSquatches
18-08-2005, 12:39
But I thought you were American? That's what confused me. Sorry!.

Americans are some of the most sarcastic swine you'll ever encounter.

The problem is, we have a difficult time recognizing sarcasm when spoken with a non-american accent.

Its all about voice inflection.......

Except for the English "Cockney" accent...then we assume EVERYTHING is sarcasm.
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 12:40
Americans are some of the most sarcastic swine you'll ever encounter.

The problem is, we have a difficult time recognizing sarcasm when spoken with a non-american accent.

Its all about voice inflection.......

Except for the English "Cockney" accent...then we assume EVERYTHING is sarcasm.

No we don't. </English "Cockney" accent>
Relative Power
18-08-2005, 16:23
chap 1: were you being sarcastic just then?

chap 2: who me? its a blimmin thread about blimmin sarcasm intit?

chap 1: yes but were you being sarcastic with that specific thing
that you said?

chap 2: what do you blimmin think I was being?

chap 1: don't take offense like guv nor, I think you might have bin
but I just ain't sure.

chap 2: If you think I was being sarcastic then I probably was
and if you think I probably am then you're probably right.
Just let me know when you think I am not and I will give
you a reward.

chap 1: Really guv'nor?
Gee you are a toff and no mistake.
I do wish I could pick up a bit of the old sarcasm myself

chap 2: What would you do with it?

chap 1:Oh it's not for me guv,
I'm doing the shopping for my Gran and its on her list..

chap 2: Oh sod this I'm off ...
Relative Power
18-08-2005, 16:54
Oh that reminds me of the story about the language lecturer.

The guy is talking about how many languages throughout
the world allow a double negative to indicate a postive (not english of course).

But he goes on to say that there is no language at all where a double positive
would indicate a negative.

One of the students gets to their feet
and walks out saying "yeah, right"
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 17:21
True Story. I heard it through hearsay.
I Still Like Oranges
18-08-2005, 18:11
I don't know, but it's right behind you!

ahhhhhhh, stop it please, get it away, i think i'm allergic :(
Gymoor II The Return
18-08-2005, 22:27
I guess because I grew up in a sarcastic family (we also pun a lot) that also watched a lot of British comedy (I'm American,) my sarcasm detector got a chance to be fully developed.

Still, I can't help but come to the conclusion that you all suck.
Zatarack
18-08-2005, 22:29
I guess because I grew up in a sarcastic family (we also pun a lot) that also watched a lot of British comedy (I'm American,) my sarcasm detector got a chance to be fully developed.

Still, I can't help but come to the conclusion that you all suck.

As well do I, though you're obviously bluffing with your detection skills.
Gymoor II The Return
23-08-2005, 00:46
As well do I, though you're obviously bluffing with your detection skills.

Your mom bluffs with her detection skills.