NationStates Jolt Archive

I received this in my email. Not sure if it's one of those emails that are going around or not, could be. I thought it a little humorous and if true, boy would the red states be in trouble..lol

We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly:
You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches.
We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get
Alabama.

We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay
their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners), 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.


Sincerely,
Author Unknown in New California.

Dang, I guess that further screws over us Kansas City Metro liberals.

That finalizes it. I'm moving.

Yep, we Californians flirt with the idea of seceding. Though then we wonder what's it like with PRESIDENT Arnold Sch. :eek:

I can't even spell our Governor's last name. -_-

And yes, amusing.

That isn't so much a political thing as it is luck of the draw with geography and climate, particularly the 80% of the freshwater and 92% of the fruit and that bit about the wine. I don't find it amusing as much as I find it just plain stupid. Luck of the draw, that's really all it is. The red states just have the short end of the stick when it comes to that because the climate's so much different. Oh, and what about the mid-west? They're mostly red, and they have all the grain. Don't hear anything about that in there, do you?

I received this in my email. Not sure if it's one of those emails that are going around or not, could be. I thought it a little humorous and if true, boy would the red states be in trouble..lol


If Blue is so great, and left on their own, who would they elect as their President, what type of people would they pick? Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger that's who. :p
:D

Why break up the country when we can just send the excess population from blue states into some of the red states with sizable liberal minorities and take over the whole thing.

That isn't so much a political thing as it is luck of the draw with geography and climate, particularly the 80% of the freshwater and 92% of the fruit and that bit about the wine. I don't find it amusing as much as I find it just plain stupid. Luck of the draw, that's really all it is. The red states just have the short end of the stick when it comes to that because the climate's so much different. Oh, and what about the mid-west? They're mostly red, and they have all the grain. Don't hear anything about that in there, do you?
We can buy grain.


You ever noticed that cities tend to be around water sources? That wasn't by accident or 'luck of the draw'.

That was funny.

lol very good - and too true... i've been thinking for a while (after somebody brought up the issue here during your last election) what would happen if the States segregated, and this is precisely what i thought - the middle states (excuse my lack of US geographical knowledge) would be F-U-C-K-E-D :p

but at times it does seem as though there are two distinct countries emerging within the union... kinda scary really...



and the bit about leaving Iraq at once - the Red states have got it right, i'm afraid, but only in that leaving now, with the job half done, would be disastrous to the country you (we) have "liberated"
for right or wrong, we've started a process in Iraq and we can't leave (and must suffer the concequences) until it is finished - or at least until the place is safe enough without us/you to do so

That isn't so much a political thing as it is luck of the draw with geography and climate, particularly the 80% of the freshwater and 92% of the fruit and that bit about the wine. I don't find it amusing as much as I find it just plain stupid. Luck of the draw, that's really all it is. The red states just have the short end of the stick when it comes to that because the climate's so much different. Oh, and what about the mid-west? They're mostly red, and they have all the grain. Don't hear anything about that in there, do you?
Meh, the blue states don't need too much grain. Many of us are on the South Beach diet.

Sign me up! I want out! I think we should secede not just for that reasons, but also you notice these people make comments about "taking over" the point is we can live together allowing each other to live their own lives their own way where as Republicans try to force their morals and values on everyone!

Hehe, I heard that too just after the election. It might be good, but I'm more partial to just New England + New York becoming a country (forget Michigan and stuff). The west coast sounds good though too! And, BC can join them, and you'll have the coolest green hippie countrie in the world! ^.^

You all realize that in most blue states Kerry only got fifty something percent of the vote. The same in most red states for Bush. The country is not as polarized as our politicians and media lead us to believe.

We can buy grain.


You ever noticed that cities tend to be around water sources? That wasn't by accident or 'luck of the draw'.

So? It's geography, I don't think we governed how the continents formed, did we?

btw I am Crimson Reapers, accidental trolling on my part, sorry... I meant to post on this but I logged into the forum with the wrong nation

Meh, the blue states don't need too much grain. Many of us are on the South Beach diet.
Hey, you can import all you like from Saskatchewan... I think we have enough to spair!

You all realize that in most blue states Kerry only got fifty something percent of the vote. The same in most red states for Bush. The country is not as polarized as our politicians and media lead us to believe.


I disagree. The US is very polarized. If we killed off all the Conservatives, we would be much less polarized.

People, I don't want to be a "blue state" nation. I know California rocks and all, but don't lump everyone together based on... er, colors. Its not that simple, plus wouldn't it be more likely that the red states leave? I mean they're all the secessionists... Texas who wants to be it's own republic again... historically they're the ones with a problem with the United States.

I disagree. The US is very polarized. If we killed off all the Conservatives, we would be much less polarized.
can you come finish the job over here in the UK while you're at it? ;)

I disagree. The US is very polarized. If we killed off all the Conservatives, we would be much less polarized.

Or liberals. Either way you go it'd make it less polarized.

People, I don't want to be a "blue state" nation. I know California rocks and all, but don't lump everyone together based on... er, colors. Its not that simple, plus wouldn't it be more likely that the red states leave? I mean they're all the secessionists... Texas who wants to be it's own republic again... historically they're the ones with a problem with the United States.

Hawaii and Alaska have independence movements, in Hawaii it's actually pretty big.

my question is: is there really any actual likelyhood of this happening in the near future? whats the deal with Texas wanting its indipendence - just a crackpot idea or is it actually a popular idea? :confused:

Or liberals. Either way you go it'd make it less polarized.


Well, we would be much better off with liberals running the US than the Conservatives.

Well, we would be much better off with liberals running the US than the Conservatives.

Not necessarily. "One man's heaven is another man's hell," y'know? And killing off all conservatives wouldn't look to great on a record of a liberal US, you'd have a genocide on your hands, killing off people simply because they don't agree with you. That doesn't really sound like something the left would do, does it?

If Blue is so great, and left on their own, who would they elect as their President, what type of people would they pick? Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger that's who. :p
:D
D'uh, Carl Weathers. It's the Predator cycle.


Though, seriously. Let us go. You don't like us, we don't like you. The kids are all grown up, it's time to split.

Hey I don't wanna kill off anyone thats the point of being in the liberal part. And once we divide the U.S. people could move freely so the liberals were together and the conservatives were in the other. That way everyone could be happy. Thats the point.

What I want to know is this. When did the country get divided into Bloods and Crips? Also, since I'm in a Crip state, do I need to pull a drive by on a Blood state?

Texas really needs to swear its alligeance with someone. How many people has it belonged to so far?

- Native Americans lived there first
- Then Spanish came
- Then Mexico kicked Spain out
- Then Texas split with Mexico and because its own Republic
- Then Texas decided to join up with the U.S., Mexico took this as an aggressive position by the U.S. on their soveirgnity (sp)
- Then Texas split with the U.S. and joined the Confederacy
- Then the C.S.A. lost the war and they joined up with the U.S. again.


Damn.

Well, we would be much better off with liberals running the US than the Conservatives.
Not if you ask the Conservatives......

I say we just split the country's resources in two. The Cons can go do what they will with it (probably blowing stuff up for fun along the way), and us liberals can have our "hippie paradise" (and yeah, BC should join, they've got some great land up there. And aquariums. And zoos.). I say we go back to the "classic democracy" model, similar to how the Greeks and Romans did it, only without the stipulation that you have to be a male citizen. I say women and slaves can vote too. Stupid Romans.

And that brings up another point....is the hired help going to leave? I mean, just because I'm intensely liberal and all, doesn't mean I don't enjoy a maid, y'know? It's not like she isn't getting living wages, anyway. Just wondering.....it sure would be tragic if I'd have to start cleaning my OWN house twice a week.

(That was so a joke, btw.....)

...and condors,

That's not true. Two months ago I saw a condor in Utah. I think it was somewhere around Bryce Canyon, but I can't quite remember.

my question is: is there really any actual likelyhood of this happening in the near future? whats the deal with Texas wanting its indipendence - just a crackpot idea or is it actually a popular idea? :confused:
We're not THAT serious, are we?

Nah, in California we just joke with the idea about seceding. We don't really want to secede.

Then the joke turns to President Arnold and then the joke becomes a nightmare.

That isn't so much a political thing as it is luck of the draw with geography and climate, particularly the 80% of the freshwater and 92% of the fruit and that bit about the wine. I don't find it amusing as much as I find it just plain stupid. Luck of the draw, that's really all it is. The red states just have the short end of the stick when it comes to that because the climate's so much different. Oh, and what about the mid-west? They're mostly red, and they have all the grain. Don't hear anything about that in there, do you?

Well then, I'm curious. Have you read Guns Germs and Steel? He makes pretty much that argument about the whole world, and right wingers tend to jointly reject his thesis.

I received this in my email. Not sure if it's one of those emails that are going around or not, could be. I thought it a little humorous and if true, boy would the red states be in trouble..lol

The condescending and arrogant tone of the original post unwhittingly demonstrates the reason why conservatives control the White House and have a Congressional majority. As long as you guys see things this way, we're going to stay in power, which is fine by me. :)

Or liberals. Either way you go it'd make it less polarized.

Na, then it'd just be polarized along the corpratist-theocrat lines. The liberal side is too diffuse to polarize.

The condescending and arrogant tone of the original post unwhittingly demonstrates the reason why conservatives control the White House and have a Congressional majority. As long as you guys see things this way, we're going to stay in power, which is fine by me. :)
What condescending arrogant tone? They were sharing a joke they recieved in their email. I didn't see anything arrogant about the way the author presented it. Maybe that's another Conservative thing (there, now you have condescending bait on me) :rolleyes:

I received this in my email. Not sure if it's one of those emails that are going around or not, could be. I thought it a little humorous and if true, boy would the red states be in trouble..lol

p.s. common sense will tell you that pretty much all of these numbers are complete fabrications.

The condescending and arrogant tone of the original post unwhittingly demonstrates the reason why conservatives control the White House and have a Congressional majority. As long as you guys see things this way, we're going to stay in power, which is fine by me. :)

Oh conservatives control the White House? News to me.

This is the big laugh about American politics. If liberals are democrats, republicans must be conservatives. Even if they're liberals. And in both cases I do mean 'modern' liberals, which is not in any way to be confused with the root word "liberty."

Simonist']What condescending arrogant tone? They were sharing a joke they recieved in their email. I didn't see anything arrogant about the way the author presented it. Maybe that's another Conservative thing (there, now you have condescending bait on me) :rolleyes:

:)

Exactly :)


Actually, I'm seriously wondering if you're being sarcastic or not. Either way, this post made me smile. :D

The condescending and arrogant tone of the original post unwhittingly demonstrates the reason why conservatives control the White House and have a Congressional majority.

nah. the real reasons are electoral fraud, shoddy districting, lies, and the lack of a coherent opposition party. condescension and arrogance are well loved traits of the fascists, theocrats, and corporate fatcats - some of their main electoral strengths really.

:)

Exactly :)


Actually, I'm seriously wondering if you're being sarcastic or not. Either way, this post made me smile. :D
Ah, you caught me.....I'm just another Midwest liberal, stuck in the middle, who has to resort to bashing everything and everyone......no love for the libs in the Grain States. ;) Glad I could amuse you.

Yep, we Californians flirt with the idea of seceding. Though then we wonder what's it like with PRESIDENT Arnold Sch. :eek:

I can't even spell our Governor's last name. -_-

And yes, amusing.

eh, he can't pronounce your state's name, so it's cool =P

But yah, I already knew the bible-belt states were more corrupt and immoral because it's common practice for people to not honestly be religious but claim they are anyway so they can shamelessly manipulate the bible through vauge verses and claim it means anything their hate-filled agenda wants it to mean.

What I want to know is this. When did the country get divided into Bloods and Crips? Also, since I'm in a Crip state, do I need to pull a drive by on a Blood state?

lol :D

nah. the real reasons are electoral fraud, shoddy districting, lies, and the lack of a coherent opposition party. condescension and arrogance are well loved traits of the fascists, theocrats, and corporate fatcats - some of their main electoral strengths really.

Yes, it's all part of our "vast right-wing conspiracy".

eh, he can't pronounce your state's name, so it's cool =P

But yah, I already knew the bible-belt states were more corrupt and immoral because it's common practice for people to not honestly be religious but claim they are anyway so they can shamelessly manipulate the bible through vauge verses and claim it means anything their hate-filled agenda wants it to mean.
I.....I......ouch.

Um....I'm ACTUALLY religious.....lots of us are......and you just made my tender heart break in at least three places.

But true in some cases. Fred Phelps, the true Kansan example of how the Bible can go bad. Hell, he's not even recognized as a true Christian anymore.'

And what is with this 'Bible belt' stuff? It's not a solid band, there are lots of areas in the "belt" that don't conform to conservative Christian ideals. Unless those are the holes for the buckle. Or it could be a belt with the grommets on it. Or something.

Texas really needs to swear its alligeance with someone. How many people has it belonged to so far?

- Native Americans lived there first
- Then Spanish came
- Then Mexico kicked Spain out
- Then Texas split with Mexico and because its own Republic
- Then Texas decided to join up with the U.S., Mexico took this as an aggressive position by the U.S. on their soveirgnity (sp)
- Then Texas split with the U.S. and joined the Confederacy
- Then the C.S.A. lost the war and they joined up with the U.S. again.


Damn.
You missed one.
Before Texas won it’s independence from Mexico, it was part of French Mexico. The Mexicans took it back fairly quickly, though.

If Blue is so great, and left on their own, who would they elect as their President, what type of people would they pick? Jesse Ventura and Arnold Schwarzenegger that's who. :p
:D
As much as I dislike Jessie being a Minnesotan he wasn’t so bad (I was too young to vote then)
He was loud and obnoxious but not too many massive fuckups, there defiantly has been worse.

You missed one.
Before Texas won it’s independence from Mexico, it was part of French Mexico. The Mexicans took it back fairly quickly, though.
Really? Wow. My geeky friend will crack up over that. I should read up on that and see if the internet is lying to me or not. ;)

Simonist']I.....I......ouch.

Um....I'm ACTUALLY religious.....lots of us are......and you just made my tender heart break in at least three places.

But true in some cases. Fred Phelps, the true Kansan example of how the Bible can go bad. Hell, he's not even recognized as a true Christian anymore.'

And what is with this 'Bible belt' stuff? It's not a solid band, there are lots of areas in the "belt" that don't conform to conservative Christian ideals. Unless those are the holes for the buckle. Or it could be a belt with the grommets on it. Or something.
Don’t forget the immigrants. They and their children commit a lot of crimes and drive up the abortion and teen pregnancy rates. Not that that means they shouldn’t be able to live here, it’s just people shouldn’t blame it on the religious folk.

You all realize that in most blue states Kerry only got fifty something percent of the vote. The same in most red states for Bush. The country is not as polarized as our politicians and media lead us to believe.

Very true, but you assume people have the knowledge beyond our misguided media.

We're not THAT serious, are we?

Nah, in California we just joke with the idea about seceding. We don't really want to secede.

Then the joke turns to President Arnold and then the joke becomes a nightmare.
Something just struck me a little bit.

Isn't Arnold a Republican? Not that I pay much attention to CA politics (no matter how much stock Headline News tried to put in it).

I guess that my 'Better dead than Red!' shirt, while originally intending to be a statement against Communism or something (bought it at a thrift store, $1.25), has a new vitality to it :p

Here's a thought: if the reds and blues did actually separate, wouldn't we each just find new things to fight about? It's not like all liberals and conservatives agree on everything within their camps. Wouldn't the Old Money, Limousine Liberal Howard Deans of the North East clash with the populists of Minnesota and Iowa... and the Barbara Boxer pot-smoking communists of the West Coast? Democrats feel unified now because they have a common opponent, but when that disappears, won't the infighting resurface?

Consider 9/11--the country united because the lives, property, and values of Americans, with their common culture, language, and history, were threatened. There were no Democrats nor Republicans that day. Even French President Jacques Chirac (no relation to the Looney Tunes character) put it, "today, we are all Americans".

It's easy to quibble over minor details when everything is going well. I don't think that we're all that different; nor do I think that a separation would solve any problems.


That said, I'd still like to give it a try :D

Simonist']Something just struck me a little bit.

Isn't Arnold a Republican? Not that I pay much attention to CA politics (no matter how much stock Headline News tried to put in it).

Yes, he is.



I guess that my 'Better dead than Red!' shirt, while originally intending to be a statement against Communism or something (bought it at a thrift store, $1.25), has a new vitality to it :p


That is HILARIOUS :) :D very clever--thumbs up :)

You all realize that in most blue states Kerry only got fifty something percent of the vote. The same in most red states for Bush. The country is not as polarized as our politicians and media lead us to believe.
Good point. It's not like these states are 100% red or blue. If all the republicans in the Blue states left for the red states, you would lose a lot of that venture capital. And if all the democrats from the red states left for the blue states you would have a whole lot of extra lawyers (note: I am a lawyer from a red state who votes Democrat, although grudgingly)

Here's a thought: if the reds and blues did actually separate, wouldn't we each just find new things to fight about? It's not like all liberals and conservatives agree on everything within their camps. Wouldn't the Old Money, Limousine Liberal Howard Deans of the North East clash with the populists of Minnesota and Iowa... and the Barbara Boxer pot-smoking communists of the West Coast? Democrats feel unified now because they have a common opponent, but when that disappears, won't the infighting resurface?

Consider 9/11--the country united because the lives, property, and values of Americans, with their common culture, language, and history, were threatened. There were no Democrats nor Republicans that day. Even French President Jacques Chirac (no relation to the Looney Tunes character) put it, "today, we are all Americans".

It's easy to quibble over minor details when everything is going well. I don't think that we're all that different; nor do I think that a separation would solve any problems.


That said, I'd still like to give it a try :D

Yea me to..im there and loving every minute of it.

Really? Wow. My geeky friend will crack up over that. I should read up on that and see if the internet is lying to me or not. ;)
It’s pretty common knowledge. One thing the Texas education system excels at is Texas history. It’s a throw back to the time when schools spent a considerable amount of time teaching students the history of their state. The Six Flags park we have out here, Fiesta Texas, has capitalized on this. Their motto is, Six Flags Over Texas. Outside the park they have six flag poles.

The US flag (flying higher than the rest)
The Confederate national flag (not the battle flag that some put on their pickup truck)
The Spanish flag
The Old French flag
The Texas flag
The Mexican Flag

More odd stuff about Texas allegiance:
Before Texas gained independence there was a concentrated effort by a group of Germen Princes to claim portions of Texas. That is why such a large percentage of Texans are German by decent. They were sent over here. Most of the German names were changed in WWI and WWII, but some remained. For instance, I attend school in a city called New Braunfels.

Hey guys, you fogetting American history101? Last time states left, the war caused more American deaths than the rest of the wars America were in combined. Hmm, let's have a logic check. We're leaving cause we don't like war. The last time states left there was the most destructive war in our history. Hmmm.?.?. Very brilliant idea guys.

Hey guys, you fogetting American history101? Last time states left, the war caused more American deaths than the rest of the wars America were in combined. Hmm, let's have a logic check. We're leaving cause we don't like war. The last time states left there was the most destructive war in our history. Hmmm.?.?. Very brilliant idea guys.
WW2 is an American war now rather than American-participated? Wow that's certainly a step forward. ;)

This is a joke, boy.

Hey guys, you fogetting American history101? Last time states left, the war caused more American deaths than the rest of the wars America were in combined. Hmm, let's have a logic check. We're leaving cause we don't like war. The last time states left there was the most destructive war in our history. Hmmm.?.?. Very brilliant idea guys.
They didn't say they were waging war, they said they were leaving. I'm fairly sure there were more issues leading to the Civil War than JUST the fact that the states seceded. At least, that's what we were told in my history classs.

WW2 is an American war now rather than American-participated? Wow that's certainly a step forward. ;)

This is a joke, boy.
Uhhhhmmmmmmmm..... no.

The Civil War had the highest count of any American war, bar none. Consider that deaths on both sides are considered "American deaths." No way World War 2 even comes close.

There may be some manner of sarcasm in this post; I cant tell [these things have a bad way of expressing themselves via text] so I may be telling you something you already know. Still, I couldn't in good conscience let this one slide.

The condescending and arrogant tone of the original post unwhittingly demonstrates the reason why conservatives control the White House and have a Congressional majority. As long as you guys see things this way, we're going to stay in power, which is fine by me. :)
Or even 'unwittingly'.

Ha ha, irony.

*ducks*

WW2 is an American war now rather than American-participated? Wow that's certainly a step forward. ;)

This is a joke, boy.
It is a joke, I know. Most liberals seem to forget that these kind of things started as jokes, soon we'll atart hearing people saying that 'credible sources' told them that they should support liberation. Conservatives joke and know it's a joke. Liberals typically cannot grasp that idea.

oh the red states would never let us go quietly and we all know they love a good war.

Or even 'unwittingly'.

Ha ha, irony.

*ducks*
Oooh, nice one, I didn't even catch that.

Dang, I'm slipping.

It’s pretty common knowledge. One thing the Texas education system excels at is Texas history. It’s a throw back to the time when schools spent a considerable amount of time teaching students the history of their state. The Six Flags park we have out here, Fiesta Texas, has capitalized on this. Their motto is, Six Flags Over Texas. Outside the park they have six flag poles.

The US flag (flying higher than the rest)
The Confederate national flag (not the battle flag that some put on their pickup truck)
The Spanish flag
The Old French flag
The Texas flag
The Mexican Flag

More odd stuff about Texas allegiance:
Before Texas gained independence there was a concentrated effort by a group of Germen Princes to claim portions of Texas. That is why such a large percentage of Texans are German by decent. They were sent over here. Most of the German names were changed in WWI and WWII, but some remained. For instance, I attend school in a city called New Braunfels.

New Braunfels is a great place to go tubing down the river.

There is also a large ethnic Czech population between Austin and Dallas. My dad is from that area and is 2nd generation Czech.

Simonist']They didn't say they were waging war, they said they were leaving. I'm fairly sure there were more issues leading to the Civil War than JUST the fact that the states seceded. At least, that's what we were told in my history classs.
Your history class either lied or you didn‘t pay attention. Those states seceding is what started the war. If they hadn’t seceded, we would have never had a civil war. What I find odd is that some people want the blue states to secede because a Republican got in office, and back then, the South wanted to secede because a Republican got in office.

You missed one.
Before Texas won it’s independence from Mexico, it was part of French Mexico. The Mexicans took it back fairly quickly, though.

Also, the eastern part of Texas was once part of the Louisiana territory, which was French.

Your history class either lied or you didn‘t pay attention. Those states seceding is what started the war. If they hadn’t seceded, we would have never had a civil war. What I find odd is that some people want the blue states to secede because a Republican got in office, and back then, the South wanted to secede because a Republican got in office.
Okay, I didn't say it wasn't a cause of the war. I said it wasn't the ONLY cause of the war. Please, if you're going to try to make me look ignorant, do so in a manner that properly applies. It's infuriating otherwise.

And besides, we didn't cover the Civil War very heavily in my classes. I've been privately schooled just about my whole life, and most of the Civil War issues didn't apply heavily to Bloody Kansas. We were mostly concerned in learning about OUR involvement in the war, and none of OUR skirmishes had to do with secession.....we were killing the Missouri dudes for a LONG time before the war, and we continued to for a long time afterwards.

The condescending and arrogant tone of the original post unwhittingly demonstrates the reason why conservatives control the White House and have a Congressional majority. As long as you guys see things this way, we're going to stay in power, which is fine by me. :)

I disagree, but on the other hand, I didn't write it. I got it in my email from a "friend" I wrote nothing condescending, other than to say I found humour in it.

Hah that is funny Steph, thanks for sharing. Are the Conservatives that are so uptight over this joke just mad because the blue states have all the good stuff? :P

Your history class either lied or you didn‘t pay attention. Those states seceding is what started the war. If they hadn’t seceded, we would have never had a civil war. What I find odd is that some people want the blue states to secede because a Republican got in office, and back then, the South wanted to secede because a Republican got in office.

A HELL of a lot of other things led up to it, Lincoln getting elected was just the last straw for the South. IE, slavery-related issues (Bleeding Kansas, John Brown's Raid, abolitionists), Southern opposition to a tax on imported goods, sectionalism, all of this going on for 30 or 40 years pissed off the South very, very, much, and they felt that Lincoln getting elected would destroy their way of life and therefore felt their seccession was justified. Lincoln could've let it go, but he decided to go to war in order to preserve the Union. The South viewed themselves as declaring independence, the North viewed the South as a rogue state.

The assertion that a state is "blue" is utter bullshit. To be accurate, one must look at a district break down of the states, which reveals quite a bit of red in those "blue" states. In truth it mainly comes down to cities, which do tend to lean blue. The chances of a state succeeding successfully, low. The chances of a city doing so, lower still.

Besides, I prefer the Sixth world (Shadowrun) way of doing things. After alot of disaster and strife, much of western North America belongs to indian nations (and some elves), and what remains of America is divided between UCAS (United Canadian & American States) and the CAS (Confederated American States).
http://home.planet.nl/~jvdriel/ShadowrunTimeline/map1.gif

California complains a bit, even threatens succession, when, to everyone's shock, the UCAS decides it has had enough BS, and kicks Cali out. It's one thing to leave under your own power, it's another entirely to be kicked out.

'Course, then Aztlan invades from the south, Cali calls for help from the Japanese, who promptly "help" by invading Cali themselves. Those damn elves want North Cali too. (At least it is still vital to more MegaCorps than you can shake a stick at, if that's a good thing.)

See, much more entertaining than any blue state succession.

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......you may have just made my head explode.

Didn't they close Opryland like 10 years ago?

Simonist']......you may have just made my head explode.
Shadowrun has some of my favorite fluff text. Not a bad read.

This will get you up to speed and make your head not 'asplode.
http://www.shadowrunrpg.com/resources/timeline.shtml

Side note: With the recent supreme court decision on eminent domain, The Resource Rush and Lone Eagle , section seems more plausible. Scary....

Simonist']......you may have just made my head explode.
Mine keeps doing that. It gets better after the first two or three times.

We can buy grain.


You ever noticed that cities tend to be around water sources? That wasn't by accident or 'luck of the draw'.

We can buy pineapple. Ever noticed that cities are also surrounded by pollution and homeless people? That's not by accident or 'luck of the draw' either.

You all realize that in most blue states Kerry only got fifty something percent of the vote. The same in most red states for Bush. The country is not as polarized as our politicians and media lead us to believe.
Actually the country is polarized as all get out, it just isn't so much along geographical lines. Plus the right has allxxx^most of the gun nuts. It's just scary.

Hah that is funny Steph, thanks for sharing. Are the Conservatives that are so uptight over this joke just mad because the blue states have all the good stuff? :P

We still have Utah and Alaska. There are no better areas on the planet for hiking and those two states are big enough and interesting enough to keep you in them for the rest of your life. The Red States of America will clearly be a superior nation culturally.

I could go on about how great the red states are, but 'the good stuff' got me to thinking about Washington D.C. Our capital is a 'blue state'. Does that mean the capital would become a part of the Blue States of America? Could the red states manage to defend their claim to the ground the white house, the congress building, and the supreme court sit on if there's a conservative majority in each? Even if we do, how will the congressmen get to thier offices? They will be in the blue state! That simply won't work. We're going to have to conquer your capital.

And my county. I keep referring to the red states as 'we', but I live in a blue state. I feel like I'm trapped in an occupied land (headed by a Canadian, no less!).

"The Northeast and Southwest shall rise again!"


Sorry, just doesn't have that nice ring to it.

The condescending and arrogant tone of the original post unwhittingly demonstrates the reason why conservatives control the White House and have a Congressional majority. As long as you guys see things this way, we're going to stay in power, which is fine by me. :)
Do you ever actually listen to your president talk. Bush can't actually speak without smirking or sneering. Kerry may have been a doofus but he was a damn sight better than what we have.

Well, considering I live in Illinois, that would be good and bad, since I am conservative and therefore would disagree. And mostly only Chicago is Blue so it wouldn't please a lot of people.

Why do liberals always think of the mental image of some toothless hillbilly when they picture a republican? Sorry for differing from the sterotype but really. Were more than jack and dick working blue collar jobs.

I received this in my email. Not sure if it's one of those emails that are going around or not, could be. I thought it a little humorous and if true, boy would the red states be in trouble..lol
i hope that doesn't mean they get maine and alaska, those are the only good states in the entire america.
maine and alaska should form their own country.

It is a joke, I know. Most liberals seem to forget that these kind of things started as jokes, soon we'll atart hearing people saying that 'credible sources' told them that they should support liberation. Conservatives joke and know it's a joke. Liberals typically cannot grasp that idea.
Democrats joke and laugh about it; Republicans try to add jokes to the Patriot Act. Oh, and um, I have to admit to ignorance here. What does the word 'atart' mean?

Democrats joke and laugh about it; Republicans try to add jokes to the Patriot Act. Oh, and um, I have to admit to ignorance here. What does the word 'atart' mean?



The "a" key is right beside the "s" key, so it was most likely a typo. I try not to play grammar nazi unless I can tell the person spelled incorrectly, not typed incorrectly ;)

umm, yupaenu? I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm from Maine and I really DON'T want to be in the same country as Alaska. unless california can come too. :p

Civil war. The blue states aren't 100% blue, nor are the red 100% red. People wouldn't want to be drug in to something they didn't agree with, they'd rebel, and the new countries would instantly break out in to civil war. The red states might be better off, seeing as how the military is more red than blue, but that military would be diverted to suppressing the rebellions.

Effectively, the entire country is 100% fucked.

We still have Utah and Alaska. There are no better areas on the planet for hiking and those two states are big enough and interesting enough to keep you in them for the rest of your life. The Red States of America will clearly be a superior nation culturally.

I could go on about how great the red states are, but 'the good stuff' got me to thinking about Washington D.C. Our capital is a 'blue state'. Does that mean the capital would become a part of the Blue States of America? Could the red states manage to defend their claim to the ground the white house, the congress building, and the supreme court sit on if there's a conservative majority in each? Even if we do, how will the congressmen get to thier offices? They will be in the blue state! That simply won't work. We're going to have to conquer your capital.

And my county. I keep referring to the red states as 'we', but I live in a blue state. I feel like I'm trapped in an occupied land (headed by a Canadian, no less!).

I lived in Utah and loved hiking there for sure. I've never been to Alaska but I have long wanted to go, and from what I can see it is truely supremely beautiful. But We can't discount the amazing beuty of the old Growth forests of Oregon and other coastal states (which I have had the pleasure to hike in *magical*), or the how utterly gorgeous many parts of Hawaii can be. I think something like who has the best experiences with nature is too subjective to lay claim to.

Oh and I'm willing to give you guys Washington D.C. and all the politicians who dwell within it. YOu deserve them more than we do :p

Civil war. The blue states aren't 100% blue, nor are the red 100% red. People wouldn't want to be drug in to something they didn't agree with, they'd rebel, and the new countries would instantly break out in to civil war. The red states might be better off, seeing as how the military is more red than blue, but that military would be diverted to suppressing the rebellions.

Effectively, the entire country is 100% fucked.


This isn't 1860, and we're far more interdependent these days. If red or blue seceeded, we'd all be pretty much doomed. Can someone pull up some economic figures to show how much the South contributes to industry? Because a lot of it has come here recently.

umm, yupaenu? I hate to burst your bubble, but I'm from Maine and I really DON'T want to be in the same country as Alaska. unless california can come too. :p
whynot? heheh. i was more of joking about that, but i like maine, i used to live way up north in there for a little while(although i ussually don't like to say that i used to live there cause it's part of america and that has bad connections)

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.
Add Pennsylvania (isn't it a "blue state"?) and the only universities left in the Big Ten Conference would be Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, and Northwestern.

On the plus side, I'd no longer have to cheer against "that team up north" with the ugly helmets ;).

Add Pennsylvania (isn't it a "blue state"?) and the only universities left in the Big Ten Conference would be Ohio State, Iowa, Indiana, and Northwestern.

On the plus side, I'd no longer have to cheer against "that team up north" with the ugly helmets ;).

Pennsylvania is a blue state, and why would Illinois be left behind? It's quite blue, especially Chicago.

Pennsylvania is a blue state, and why would Illinois be left behind? It's quite blue, especially Chicago.

Actually, Chicago won the State for Kerry. He got 70% of the vote in Cook county.

Pennsylvania is a blue state, and why would Illinois be left behind? It's quite blue, especially Chicago.
Sorry, mental lapse. For a moment I thought Northwestern was in "Evanston, Indiana" (if there is such a place), rather than Evanston, Illinois.

Even French President Jacques Chirac (no relation to the Looney Tunes character) put it, "today, we are all Americans".
No he didn't. That was a journalist in Le Monde.

Democrats joke and laugh about it; Republicans try to add jokes to the Patriot Act. Oh, and um, I have to admit to ignorance here. What does the word 'atart' mean?
The PATRIOT Act was unanimously supported by Democrats too (except Feingold).

nice flame

two things:

a) We wouldn't let the blue states leave... who in the blue states owns the guns? That's right, the republicans. They wouldn't want to get stuck with 50% income taxes in this new socialist state, so they wouldn't let the hippies in their states ruin things for them by leaving.

b) Bye bye, businesses. Most of the capital the blue states have would move to the red states ... businesses don't like taxes.

i also like how he talked about how some republicans are pro-life and also pro-DP but failed to mention that most of his brethren are against murdering criminals but in favor of allowing mothers to murder their unborn children. How like a liberal to fail to mention the other side of the life double-standard.

nice flame

two things:

a) We wouldn't let the blue states leave... who in the blue states owns the guns? That's right, the republicans. They wouldn't want to get stuck with 50% income taxes in this new socialist state, so they wouldn't let the hippies in their states ruin things for them by leaving.

b) Bye bye, businesses. Most of the capital the blue states have would move to the red states ... businesses don't like taxes.

i also like how he talked about how some republicans are pro-life and also pro-DP but failed to mention that most of his brethren are against murdering criminals but in favor of allowing mothers to murder their unborn children. How like a liberal to fail to mention the other side of the life double-standard.You're crackling a bit there, yourself.

Cedar?

Maryland and Delaware were both slave states but now are as blue as a cold child holding his breath. Can we get in on this.

slave states were full of democrats... how quickly we forget it was the republicans who were largely anti-slave and it was the southern democrats who ran the secession... and the northern democrats who largely favored appeasing the southern states (some things never change).

so here are the people who are strongly in the democrats' camp:

a)inner-city poor (gonna drag your economy under)
b)redneck poor
c)hollywood/artsy types
d)"intellectuals"

whoi's going to make the money, create the jobs? Business people are republicans. they'd all leave blue states to live in America if all the hippies left. you guys would be stuck with a huge commune.

Pennsylvania is a blue state, and why would Illinois be left behind? It's quite blue, especially Chicago.

More like only Chicago.

No he didn't.

Yes he did.

http://www.info-france-usa.org/news/statmnts/2002/remembering.asp

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0305/30/lad.08.html


This took about 2 seconds to look up. Dang. :)

nah. the real reasons are electoral fraud, shoddy districting, lies, and the lack of a coherent opposition party. condescension and arrogance are well loved traits of the fascists, theocrats, and corporate fatcats - some of their main electoral strengths really.


Or you just lost several elections and cannot accept the fact that to the American voting public, center-right politics tend to be more favored. Or that in the fifty-plus years that the Democrats were in control of Congress, especially from 1964 onwards, that they mishandled the country, government in general, and were discredited several times over...hence the rightward shift in the 1980's, followed by a reaction to the admittedly moderate Clinton administration in 1994, followed by continued blundering by the Democrats to where we have our current situation, where a Conservative Republican is in the White House, and there is a GOP majority in both houses of Congress, as well as what may become a more conservative supreme court. Who knows, the pendulem may swing back...


As for secession talk, exactly how would the blue states leave or attempt to purge conservatives, considering the large gun-owning segment of the conservative population and that fact that the military and National Guard units tend to be conservative in general? Or do you plan to throw rocks, bongs, and lattes at our tanks?

Must read: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/

"Normal":
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/statemapredblue.jpg

Here is a map of US counties, again colored red and blue to indicate Republican and Democratic majorities respectively:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/countymapredblue.jpg

This map uses a color scale that ranges from red for 70% Republican or more, to blue for 70% Democrat or more. This is sort of practical, since there aren't many counties outside that range anyway, but to some extent it also obscures the true balance of red and blue.:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/countymap3070small.png

use red, blue, and shades of purple to indicate percentages of voters. Here is what the normal map looks like if you do this:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y180/MrMisanthrope/countymaplinear.jpg

Even still, it still comes down to basically Urban Resource Users vs. Rural Resource Producers.

"Red" areas can build factories... urban areas will have a real hard time becoming self sufficient.

While I admit I'm no rocket scientist, I do believe this was a joke sent to me in my email... but don't let that stop ya! *LOL* Carry on.... :p

Well, I guess it's up to the Blue areas, as 'have-nots' to be more inventive than the Red areas, then. Or to make deals with other countries.

I know in Canada we're just itching to be able to trade equitably with somebody south of the border, Lord knows we don't have anyone like that speaking on behalf of you all, at the moment. Nor have we had such apparent luxury for the last five years.

Balkanize. We could use an even-handed trade partner up here.

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I've thought the same thing. Those Red states eat up our tax dollars and pollute like crazy, not to mention sit on our welfare money. Fuck em, they mess with us, we'll laugh as their dead bodies are pulled into large piles and burned.

Of course, a good old fashioned Memocide is also a decent idea. As long as you don't mind the death and killing.

Sorry, mental lapse. For a moment I thought Northwestern was in "Evanston, Indiana" (if there is such a place), rather than Evanston, Illinois.
Damn straight. I almost had a heart attack. :p

Illinois couldn't possibly be left out. We have a Democratic governor, democratic assembly, two democratic senators, and pretty much democratic everything else.
Of course, I would have to leave Illinois. A country full of Democratics would be my vision of "Hell." I'd most likely try to take over some state no one really cares about in the ensuing civil war (like...North Dakota!) and create a libertarian paradise. :p

More like only Chicago.
Nonetheless, more people voted for Kerry than Bush. Unless you're in favor of a meritocracy, I think that it doesn't matter who.

Or you just lost several elections and cannot accept the fact that to the American voting public, center-right politics tend to be more favored. Or that in the fifty-plus years that the Democrats were in control of Congress, especially from 1964 onwards, that they mishandled the country, government in general, and were discredited several times over...hence the rightward shift in the 1980's, followed by a reaction to the admittedly moderate Clinton administration in 1994, followed by continued blundering by the Democrats to where we have our current situation, where a Conservative Republican is in the White House, and there is a GOP majority in both houses of Congress, as well as what may become a more conservative supreme court. Who knows, the pendulem may swing back...


As for secession talk, exactly how would the blue states leave or attempt to purge conservatives, considering the large gun-owning segment of the conservative population and that fact that the military and National Guard units tend to be conservative in general? Or do you plan to throw rocks, bongs, and lattes at our tanks?

again to the earlier comment by "Mods can be so cruel" about burning our bodies in heaps....a very foolish and immature statement indeed. Thus I quote my ealier post touching on the topic. I live in a "blue" state by the way, Pennsylvania, which really is only liberal-leaning in the two major cities.