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This is for everyone who doesn't know what a United States Marine is all about.
Why we call them the "Devil Dogs"
In the Belleau Wood fighting in 1918, the Germans received a thorough indoctrination in the fighting ability of the Marines.
Fighting through supposedly impenetrable woods and capturing supposedly untakeable terrain, the persistent attacks, delivered with unbelievable courage soon had the Germans calling Marines "teufelhunden," referring to the fierce fighting dogs of legendary origin.

"Semper Fidelis"

The Motto of the United States Marine Corps.
Latin for always faithful. Faithful to god, Country, Family and the Corps.

All Americans, to this day, sleep well at night because we have the Marines ready to do "bad things" to anyone who threatens us, scares us, or makes us feel unsafe. Anyone who has a problem with that is free to post their displeasure on this forum because the Marines make it possible. Anything the Marines do may seem deplorable to some, but the thing is, if you have a problem with it, take it up with the Marines. If you have the balls. If not, this forums freedom is always maintained by the Marines if you want to bitch anomimously (and safely, your welcome!). SEMPER FI people!

The Marines are awesome at what they do, that is for sure. I sure admire their strength and ability to overcome seemingly impossible odds. I don't think you will find too many people that don't respect the ability of a Marine.

Yeppers ... them Marines guard those buildings, open doors for Senators, and step on their own dicks better than anyone I know.

Hooha!

This topic seems to be almost a lashing out at people who have different political ideas...and I don't think that is a fair assumption.

Not EVERYONE lives in the USA and is on this forum. Many people are from other nations and can and do post things that you may not disagree with. Though I don't think the marines protect this forum.

this forums freedom is always maintained by the Marines if you want to bitch anomimously (and safely, your welcome!).

Ya...well just cause I am an American doesn't mean my freedom to think that a dictatorship with proper democracy ideals and communist restrictions with a monoarchy is fine or even a theocracy can be good, shouldn't be 'bitching' when I am patriotic as the next man.

Face it, people can be pro-war or anti-war, but you can't have one or the other or someone else will decide to invade your ass for being a major threat and fighting with everyone, or being non-violent and not doing anything.

Think of the audience next time before you post these things.

Yeppers ... them Marines guard those buildings, open doors for Senators, and step on their own dicks better than anyone I know.

Hooha!

Hard not to when you're the guy with the biggest wang around.

Plus they are great in bed. Well at least the one hottie I was with. She was a fine as they come. She was also one of the smartest, hardest working chicks I ever met. I admire and look up to her. I also like how she went down on my gf. :p

Plus they are great in bed. Well at least the one hottie I was with. She was a fine as they come. She was also one of the smartest, hardest working chicks I ever met. I admire and look up to her. I also like how she went down on my gf. :p

That's a little more then I needed to know. :eek:

This topic seems to be almost a lashing out at people who have different political ideas...and I don't think that is a fair assumption.

Not EVERYONE lives in the USA and is on this forum. Many people are from other nations and can and do post things that you may not disagree with. Though I don't think the marines protect this forum.



Ya...well just cause I am an American doesn't mean my freedom to think that a dictatorship with proper democracy ideals and communist restrictions with a monoarchy is fine or even a theocracy can be good, shouldn't be 'bitching' when I am patriotic as the next man.

Face it, people can be pro-war or anti-war, but you can't have one or the other or someone else will decide to invade your ass for being a major threat and fighting with everyone, or being non-violent and not doing anything.

Think of the audience next time before you post these things.

Plus I think this forum is not hosted in the US anyway.

That's a little more then I needed to know. :eek:


*erases your memory*

this forums freedom is always maintained by the Marines

Oh ... I missed this part ...

Ummm ... dude .... forums.jolt.co.UK ....

If not, this forums freedom is always maintained by the Marines if you want to bitch anomimously (and safely, your welcome!). !
This forum is hosted in the UK. Max Barry lives in Ausiland :rolleyes:


Do us all a favor and stick rambo back in your pants.

So, they're soldiers. Like I already knew.

Anything else you'd care to explain?

Royal Marine are better
-more supply's available due to less troops in the British army
-we invented Marines so we have more experience using them
-more training
-99.9% need not apply

and lets not get into the SAS, British Para's and Russian Spetnaz(sp)

looks like we need to invade the Brits to make a point! :p

Seems they have WMD's I hear and there are terrorists running around on the streets. Plus they are being oppressed somehow! I hear that people regularly get beaten in their prisons and freedom of speech is being taken away. All good reasons to invade.

Moves pawn one square.

Royal Marine are better
-more supply's available due to less troops in the British army
-we invented Marines so we have more experience using them
-more training
-99.9% need not apply

and lets not get into the SAS, British Para's and Russian Spetnaz(sp)

Was it the Royal Marines on Iwo Jima? I can't see to recall my memory.

Oh ... I missed this part ...

Ummm ... dude .... forums.jolt.co.UK ....


Hmm...could it be possible that even HE missed it? I thought this was a get-even comment based on how in WWII we saved the UK. Well that kills his arguement. Oh yes, and SAS are VERY good, but they don't see action as much as the US Marines.

Was it the Royal Marines on Iwo Jima? I can't see to recall my memory.
Yes, because the Royal Marines would end up fighting in the pacific theater while a war was going on close to home :rolleyes:

Was it the Royal Marines on Iwo Jima? I can't see to recall my memory.

A very weak arguement.

In 1946 for the Invasion of Japan the British were going to send a fleet to aid the American forces. Problem of the British is that Japan is on the other side of the world and is a very long journey.

Last I ran the stat numbers, American forces would have been DESTROYED by Japan. The nearing 1:1 kill ratio was making it very easy. Earlier Japan was losing 22/23 to 1 US Kill. Iwo Jima was only proof that the Japanese forces, which were the WORST in the Japanese Military were learning how to fight! So I would stop before you push the arguement farther by me referring to documents which prove the US would have been destroyed if it tried to invade Japan.

That include your precious marines vs 3 million pissed off Japanese Civilians.

All Americans, to this day, sleep well at night because we have the Marines ready to do "bad things" to anyone who threatens us, scares us, or makes us feel unsafe. Anyone who has a problem with that is free to post their displeasure on this forum because the Marines make it possible. Anything the Marines do may seem deplorable to some, but the thing is, if you have a problem with it, take it up with the Marines. If you have the balls. If not, this forums freedom is always maintained by the Marines if you want to bitch anomimously (and safely, your welcome!). SEMPER FI people!

I believe they made a movie on this subject; A Few Good Men, heard of it?

I believe they made a movie on this subject; A Few Good Men, heard of it?
That is almost word for word from a few good men...

ok i have a few things to says:


1. This forum is uk hosted, thus: jolt.co.UK
2. The British marines protect it ^^
3. WE sleep well at night knowing the sas is in the enemy teritory for upto a year before war breaks out^^

-That is all-

Hmm...could it be possible that even HE missed it? I thought this was a get-even comment based on how in WWII we saved the UK. Well that kills his arguement. Oh yes, and SAS are VERY good, but they don't see action as much as the US Marines.


They do you just dont know about it ;) :sniper: :sniper: :mp5: :mp5:

They do you just dont know about it ;) You think you know about everything the US military does?

jar heads.

My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment


:)

(much love from this former squid to ALL servicemen/women of the FREE world ;) )

jar heads.

My
Ass
Rides
In
Navy
Equipment


:)

(much love from this former squid to ALL servicemen/women of the FREE world ;) )And an encouraging nod from a former Army dependent :D

A very weak arguement.

In 1946 for the Invasion of Japan the British were going to send a fleet to aid the American forces. Problem of the British is that Japan is on the other side of the world and is a very long journey.

Last I ran the stat numbers, American forces would have been DESTROYED by Japan. The nearing 1:1 kill ratio was making it very easy. Earlier Japan was losing 22/23 to 1 US Kill. Iwo Jima was only proof that the Japanese forces, which were the WORST in the Japanese Military were learning how to fight! So I would stop before you push the arguement farther by me referring to documents which prove the US would have been destroyed if it tried to invade Japan.

That include your precious marines vs 3 million pissed off Japanese Civilians.
US forces would have won, even if they had to carpet nuke cities before Marines had to take them. The forces on Iwo Jima were not the worst soldiers in the military - they were among the best the empire could muster. For them, Iwo Jima and Okinawa were the stepping stones to the mainland, and they could not be lost under any circumstances. They had a great deal of time to prepare defenses for an invasion, as opposed to the other landings done by the US Marines.

It doesn't make sense to compare the SAS to US Marines. The SAS is a subdivision, like the French GIGN, the German GSG9, or the US Navy Seals, that specializes in paramilitary operations. I would say that the SAS is easily the superior in the world, especially with all their experience against terrorism in the past 40 years. However, I would say that the US Marines, especially today, are the foremost amphibious combat force in the world.

Oh ... I missed this part ...

Ummm ... dude .... forums.jolt.co.UK ....
Without the US Marines it would be forums.jolt.co.NA (North Aryanland)

Was it the Royal Marines on Iwo Jima

we wouldn't of been dumb enough to have Iwo Jima because with over 400 years (if I remember right) experience in how to use marines

but my hat goes off to Russian spetnaz with only 6 members killed in combat (remember the Moscow siege)

And what about the S.A.S hunting Saddams scuds in the dessert, behind enemy lines with impossible odds during gulf war I remember bravo two zero now those guys were though

but if were talking amphibious then Royal marine commando’s are the best have you ever heard any great losses or even any of there operations?

Without the US Marines it would be forums.jolt.co.NA (North Aryanland)Nope. More likely forums.jolt.co.sb (socialist Britain) if anything. But I personally doubt that the Marines are the only ones that made the difference...

When people want to MAKE a point, they bitch. when they want to PROVE a point, they call the Marines. Bitch all you want, people. If you ever want to prove a point, the Marines will be waiting. (by the way, this post was made because someone in this forum said that the world was working to stop America's "imperialist attitude". I just wanted to remind the masses why it would be dumb to try. ) :cool:

we had won the battle of Britain long before you Americans decided to fight and besides I think Russia could of beaten the Nazi's in Europe (though we would of lost Europe to communism)

though if Japan would of attacked Russia instead of America then the world would be different

but if were talking amphibious then Royal marine commando’s are the best have you ever heard any great losses or even any of there operations?
Thats because there isn't much to brag about. (besides backing American troops, that is)

US forces would have won, even if they had to carpet nuke cities before Marines had to take them. The forces on Iwo Jima were not the worst soldiers in the military - they were among the best the empire could muster. For them, Iwo Jima and Okinawa were the stepping stones to the mainland, and they could not be lost under any circumstances. They had a great deal of time to prepare defenses for an invasion, as opposed to the other landings done by the US Marines.

Carpet Nukes....no the question refers to the US INVADING, which was the opposite to the nuke Japan idea. Duh. Carpet nukes wasn't possible and we didn't have the bomb ready for another city. lmao.

Iwo Jima was the Pacific, they were smart, but not the best. The best were in China. They pulled back fast in a retreat to the home island. Thus which is why the Russian forces ran against little resistance. Those veteran troops were the real hearty ones. Fed well and with proper equipment and high skills. Iwo Jima troops were fighting dug in with little supplies left. Thing is they fought to the last man.

Kyushu was to be the battle ground. The Japanese prepared for heavy bombing and had superior defenses ready. The japanese division were more numerous then americans! They also had enough planes to launch 300 suicide planes every hour for ten days straight. With over a thousand planes to dog fight the skies for control. The Japanese were saving all their aircraft! The landing boats would be attacked by suicidal forces like frogmen and suicide boats. The forces on the island if they got past that were built so that the troops would have to go INTO the machine guns to take the positions. The odds were against the American forces.

It would have been a massacre for the naval forces. The Japanese forces would only reveal themselves when the Americans tried to invade. They knew to the days that America could attack. Based on weather it also spelled two horrible events that who wreck much of the Navy and delay the operations to April 1946. By then the Japanese jet aircraft would be ready for the invasion also! In any case the time would be that America gets OWNED.

Hmmmm and now for the useless information of the day. ;)

What would a Marine say to one of their own who is reported to have worn a red bra and panties into battle? :)

Said Marine saw combat in the Marshall Islands and Naumea and he was one of the 400 US Survivors of the invasion of Tarawa, which killed 3600 other soldiers.

He was decorated with the Silver and Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts, and Sharpshooter's Medal.

That was the famed plan-9 from outerspace director Ed Wood. :)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000248/bio

:D Lets lobby the governments to prove it! lol (just kidding )

Marines are always the first to go in...

...after the SEALS leave. :D

Marines are yummy! best looking uniforms in the U.S. armed forces in my opinion...but I'm a little partial. My father and my man were/are Marines.

<----had a hard time restraining self when living on base!

Thats because there isn't much to brag about. (besides backing American troops, that is)

American troops work as the cannon fodder for the coalition that’s why Brits have control over southern Iraq (the nice part)

A very weak arguement.

In 1946 for the Invasion of Japan the British were going to send a fleet to aid the American forces. Problem of the British is that Japan is on the other side of the world and is a very long journey.

Last I ran the stat numbers, American forces would have been DESTROYED by Japan. The nearing 1:1 kill ratio was making it very easy. Earlier Japan was losing 22/23 to 1 US Kill. Iwo Jima was only proof that the Japanese forces, which were the WORST in the Japanese Military were learning how to fight! So I would stop before you push the arguement farther by me referring to documents which prove the US would have been destroyed if it tried to invade Japan.

That include your precious marines vs 3 million pissed off Japanese Civilians.

In case you can't see the jab at humour, I'll point it out for you. It wasn't the British Marines that took Iwo Jima, it was the USMC. American Military Forces would have won Japan either way. How? Firebombing. It killed more people at Dresden than the A-bombs did, so even if the A-bomb wasn't finished, you could still wipe entire cities off the map. Another thing: American Tenacity.

Oh yeah, I don't think Japanese Civilians are allowed to own weapons, so the point is moot. It's going to take a LOT of civilians to take even a small group of marines. Remember, "Every Marine is a rifleman first", and they STILL Teach that today.

Without the US Marines it would be forums.jolt.co.NA (North Aryanland)

I think you mean "http://forums/jolt.co.cccp/", surely?

Oh yeah, I don't think Japanese Civilians are allowed to own weapons, so the point is moot.

Japanese civilians were armed with bamboo pikes and ceramic grenades amongst other more standard military equipment in the later days of WWII.

American troops work as the cannon fodder for the coalition that’s why Brits have control over southern Iraq (the nice part)
Thats another good point. Marines KNOW that, and they still go in, battalion after battalion, after battalion. Say what you want, talk all the shit you can, but when it comes down to it, you CANNOT stop the United States Marines. Period.

Thats another good point. Marines KNOW that, and they still go in, battalion after battalion, after battalion. Say what you want, talk all the shit you can, but when it comes down to it, you CANNOT stop the United States Marines. Period.
We civilians call that 'stupidity'.

When people want to MAKE a point, they bitch. when they want to PROVE a point, they call the Marines. Bitch all you want, people. If you ever want to prove a point, the Marines will be waiting. (by the way, this post was made because someone in this forum said that the world was working to stop America's "imperialist attitude". I just wanted to remind the masses why it would be dumb to try. ) :cool:
So the Marines' stated mission is to muzzle dissident opinion?

Thanks for the clarification. That will prove most valuable.

Thats another good point. Marines KNOW that, and they still go in, battalion after battalion, after battalion. Say what you want, talk all the shit you can, but when it comes down to it, you CANNOT stop the United States Marines. Period.
Ah. A re-affirmation.

So the Marines' stated mission is to muzzle dissident opinion?

Thanks for the clarification. That will prove most valuable.
The Marines mission is to KILL whoever they are told to kill. If they are commanded to kill dissidents, they will kill them. Use that info any way you want, sweetheart.

The Marines mission is to KILL whoever they are told to kill. If they are commanded to kill dissidents, they will kill them. Use that info any way you want, sweetheart.
Indeed. Thank you for your illuminating discourse, sir or madam.

The Marines mission is to KILL whoever they are told to kill. If they are commanded to kill dissidents, they will kill them. Use that info any way you want, sweetheart.
Oh joy, why don't we just fucking burn the constitution while we're at it :rolleyes:


Oh wait, they aren't. Any true marine would refuse to open fire on 'dissidents'. Recall their oath? Serve and protect the constitution?

Oh yes, and SAS are VERY good, but they don't see action as much as the US Marines.
Apart from, you know, 40 years of continuous combat situations in Northern Ireland.

Carpet Nukes....no the question refers to the US INVADING, which was the opposite to the nuke Japan idea. Duh. Carpet nukes wasn't possible and we didn't have the bomb ready for another city. lmao.

Iwo Jima was the Pacific, they were smart, but not the best. The best were in China. They pulled back fast in a retreat to the home island. Thus which is why the Russian forces ran against little resistance. Those veteran troops were the real hearty ones. Fed well and with proper equipment and high skills. Iwo Jima troops were fighting dug in with little supplies left. Thing is they fought to the last man.

Kyushu was to be the battle ground. The Japanese prepared for heavy bombing and had superior defenses ready. The japanese division were more numerous then americans! They also had enough planes to launch 300 suicide planes every hour for ten days straight. With over a thousand planes to dog fight the skies for control. The Japanese were saving all their aircraft! The landing boats would be attacked by suicidal forces like frogmen and suicide boats. The forces on the island if they got past that were built so that the troops would have to go INTO the machine guns to take the positions. The odds were against the American forces.

It would have been a massacre for the naval forces. The Japanese forces would only reveal themselves when the Americans tried to invade. They knew to the days that America could attack. Based on weather it also spelled two horrible events that who wreck much of the Navy and delay the operations to April 1946. By then the Japanese jet aircraft would be ready for the invasion also! In any case the time would be that America gets OWNED.

America would probably have gotten owned initially, yes, but in the long run... I dunno. We were well prepared for that invasion as well, we were expecting to lose at least a million men and were steeling ourselves for that.

But... a thousand aircraft to dogfight over Japan? The US had 2,100 aircraft on 30 aircraft carriers, the Japanese would have been outnumbered in the air to begin with, and I'm sure there would have been a couple thousand Army aircraft supporting the operation. Don't forget that we were also bombing the living hell out of Japan, most of their major cities had been flattened by the time we dropped the nukes on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

As for the kamikazes... yes, a couple thousand of them would have been an extremely daunting prospect, and they're actually one of the reasons why Truman decided to drop the bombs. I agree with you that casualties from Kamikazes would have been horrific.

I don't see Japanese jet fighters as a really terrifying prospect, most of the ones the Japanese were designing were knock-offs of the German Me-262, which we already had plenty of experience with in Europe. The Japanese would probably not have been able to produce them in much larger quantities than the Germans did, and therefore they wouldn't have much of an impact on the war. Plus, where would they get the oil for the fuel? They had been completely cut off from supplies of oil and rubber by American submarines, they'd have run out of fuel very quickly, especially if they intended to have a couple thousand aircraft operating. The Kamikazes would have wasted a huge amount of fuel because the Japanese would fill their tanks completely so the gasoline would be added to the explosion of the crashing plane.

Japan's industry was completely devastated by the end of the war, most historians actually have predicted that you would have seen them fighting with pikes and rocks, because they were losing weapons, tanks, and ammo faster than they could be produced. They even resorted to manufacturing shell casings out of wood because they were running out of brass.

Finally, you forgot one key factor in all this: The Russians. They were steamrolling the Japanese in Manchuria and were making their way towards Korea, and an invasion of Japan was their ultimate objective as well. It would have been logistically easy for them to skip across the Kuril Islands north of Japan and launch an invasion of Sapporo, so the Japanese would have to split their forces. ALSO the USSR's declaration of war was a complete surprise for the Japanese, they never expected a Soviet invasion and therefore were not prepared for it. You would have seen horrendous Allied casualties, but Soviet casualties for an invasion of the home islands would have been significantly smaller. Ultimately, the Allies and Soviets would have come out on top, though casualties on both their sides and Japan's would have been apalling.

The Marines mission is to KILL whoever they are told to kill. If they are commanded to kill dissidents, they will kill them. Use that info any way you want, sweetheart.


'I was only following orders'?

'I was only following orders'?
How Nuremberg of you, Grampus.

Well-challenged!

LOL

Thats another good point. Marines KNOW that, and they still go in, battalion after battalion, after battalion. Say what you want, talk all the shit you can, but when it comes down to it, you CANNOT stop the United States Marines. Period.

lol I'd love to see that in trench warfare

Sick Dreams:

You make a mockery of a proud and honorable tradition. The US Marines are meant to be the best in the world to defend the American Constitution for the sake of such, not so fools like you can brag about it later. The US Marines live their lives the way they do because they have to, not so snively little brats like yourself can pretend he's god-almighty on some internet forum.

People lambasting the Marines:

These are men who put their lives on the line for you and everyone you know. I'm not saying you should throw yourselves in front of them and bow, but at least show them the respect that they've earned in defense of their country.

Oh joy, why don't we just fucking burn the constitution while we're at it :rolleyes:


Oh wait, they aren't. Any true marine would refuse to open fire on 'dissidents'. Recall their oath? Serve and protect the constitution?
Sorry to wake you up out of your dream, but when it comes down to it, any loyal American will defend 90% of the constitution over 10%, as opposed to defending 10% and scrapping 90%. Lesser of two evils is a valid argument in a world that isn't black and white. (by the way, the world isn't black and white! :eek: )

Oh joy, why don't we just fucking burn the constitution while we're at it :rolleyes:


Oh wait, they aren't. Any true marine would refuse to open fire on 'dissidents'. Recall their oath? Serve and protect the constitution?
Sorry to wake you up out of your dream, but when it comes down to it, any loyal American will defend 90% of the constitution over 10%, as opposed to defending 10% and scrapping 90%. Lesser of two evils is a valid argument in a world that isn't black and white. (by the way, the world isn't black and white! :eek: )

Carpet Nukes....no the question refers to the US INVADING, which was the opposite to the nuke Japan idea. Duh. Carpet nukes wasn't possible and we didn't have the bomb ready for another city. lmao.

lmao. You still need to capture territory after it has been bombed. lmao. US doctrine stated that if needed, lmao, they would flatten a city (conventionally, or with nukes when more were produced, lmao), and weed out any resistance with infantry. lmao. lmao.

Iwo Jima was the Pacific, they were smart, but not the best. The best were in China. They pulled back fast in a retreat to the home island. Thus which is why the Russian forces ran against little resistance. Those veteran troops were the real hearty ones. Fed well and with proper equipment and high skills. Iwo Jima troops were fighting dug in with little supplies left. Thing is they fought to the last man.

So they have the best troops in the entire empire defend against Russia (which declared war on them in a surprise move two days after the bombing of Hiroshima), only to have them retreat with no resistance? Yeah, ok.

Kyushu was to be the battle ground. The Japanese prepared for heavy bombing and had superior defenses ready. The japanese division were more numerous then americans! They also had enough planes to launch 300 suicide planes every hour for ten days straight. With over a thousand planes to dog fight the skies for control. The Japanese were saving all their aircraft! The landing boats would be attacked by suicidal forces like frogmen and suicide boats. The forces on the island if they got past that were built so that the troops would have to go INTO the machine guns to take the positions. The odds were against the American forces.

The Japanese had been more numerous in Guadalcanal, the Aleutians, Indonesia, the Philippines, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Their suicide pilots did little damage - one struck the deck of the USS Missouri, and no one was killed nor was anything more than superficial damage done. And there is an easy solution to this – by bombing the airfield like what the US had done during every single one of its island hopping assaults. The fact is they attempted this because their Air Force had been annihilated time and time again, and this was their only hope to do anything with what remained.

Ever heard of joint naval and aerial bombardment? You think US forces would have strolled up the beach without heavy gun support? And forget about urban combat - any city could be firebombed to the ground as Tokyo was.

It would have been a massacre for the naval forces. The Japanese forces would only reveal themselves when the Americans tried to invade. They knew to the days that America could attack. Based on weather it also spelled two horrible events that who wreck much of the Navy and delay the operations to April 1946. By then the Japanese jet aircraft would be ready for the invasion also! In any case the time would be that America gets OWNED.
You need to go read a history book. The Japanese navy was long since reduced to a meager fleet. It was a nonissue by this point. They had not won a single engagement after Midway all the way back in summer of 1942. How would they know when the US was going to attack, when the US never had a date set for Operation Downfall? They could see into the future? And jet aircraft? Yeah, because they had the money and resources to research, develop, and mass produce these, right?

The Marines mission is to KILL whoever they are told to kill. If they are commanded to kill dissidents, they will kill them. Use that info any way you want, sweetheart.
If you really believe that this is plausible and that there are no safeguards against it, then you are being foolish. You must be one of those that thinks soldier = butcher, regardless of the situation or reasoning.

Apart from, you know, 40 years of continuous combat situations in Northern Ireland.

Malaya/Malaysia (twice). Korea. Oman (twice). Borneo. Brunei. Indonesia. Sarawak. Aden. Falklands. South Georgia. Vietnam. Afghanistan (twice). Sierra Leone. Iraq(twice). Flashpoints in mainland UK (Peterhead, London). - not counting actions in WWII

How Nuremberg of you, Grampus.

There are times and places where it is appropriate to succumb to the temptation of proving Godwin's Law.

Sick Dreams:

You make a mockery of a proud and honorable tradition. The US Marines are meant to be the best in the world to defend the American Constitution for the sake of such, not so fools like you can brag about it later. The US Marines live their lives the way they do because they have to, not so snively little brats like yourself can pretend he's god-almighty on some internet forum.


You really shouldn't judge people without knowing who you are talking to. Any comments like that should be addressed to a person's face. If not, you sir, are a coward. I don't know what you know about the Marines, but I know Marines. I know what they stand for, what they believe. They exist to do bad things to bad people. They would laugh at you for mentioning the constitution to them. They can't be bothered with such things. They train to kill. Bottom line.

Japan had stores of oil saved up for an invasion and numerous secret airbases underground, in caves and the 2 submarine carriers that were called off from destroying the panama canal they also had chemical and biological weapons there is also the fact the U.S were going to use nukes as infantry support

You must be one of those that thinks soldier = butcher, regardless of the situation or reasoning.
Not regardless of situation. If you want discretion, call the Army. If you want people dead, call the Marines.

If they are commanded to kill dissidents, they will kill them.

They exist to do bad things to bad people.

Ergo, dissidents are bad people?

Malaya/Malaysia (twice). Korea. Oman (twice). Borneo. Brunei. Indonesia. Sarawak. Aden. Falklands. South Georgia. Vietnam. Afghanistan (twice). Sierra Leone. Iraq(twice). Flashpoints in mainland UK (Peterhead, London). - not counting actions in WWII
Mine was just an abbreviated list :p

Malaya/Malaysia (twice). Korea. Oman (twice). Borneo. Brunei. Indonesia. Sarawak. Aden. Falklands. South Georgia. Vietnam. Afghanistan (twice). Sierra Leone. Iraq(twice). Flashpoints in mainland UK (Peterhead, London). - not counting actions in WWII

you could say what these are (if there u.s marine operation's let me point out the British marines 400 years experience)

IMHO, the fact that the OP's title referres to the United States Marine Corps as the United States Marine Corp. (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=corp) says pretty much what you need to know about this thread.

The follow-on posts, while enthusiastically in support, show a distinct ignorance of the USMC.

As for the side debate re the invasion of Japan, yes it would have been extraordinarily costly. However, Japan simply did not have the air, naval, or industrial power to win, much less destroy the US.

you could say what these are (if there u.s marine operation's let me point out the British marines 400 years experience)
He's talking about the SAS, I believe.

Ergo, dissidents are bad people?
Well of course! Mixing different quotes always makes for one good "honest" quote!

Sorry to wake you up out of your dream, but when it comes down to it, any loyal American will defend 90% of the constitution over 10%, as opposed to defending 10% and scrapping 90%. Lesser of two evils is a valid argument in a world that isn't black and white. (by the way, the world isn't black and white! :eek: )
All rights are absolute. The right to free speech is an absolute right. Any attempt made to destroy that right is cause for armed rebellion, and any true person who wishes to fulfill their obligation that they took when they were sworn into the armed service would agree. You can not save the constitution by jettisoning rights.

Dumbass

I don't think the marines protect this forum.
The US Marines, the US Army, the US Air Force, and the US Navy have done more to insure the freedom of people the world over to speak their minds than any other fighting forces in the history of mankind. Only under the protective umbrella of American military might has Europe remained free, Germany and Russia become free, and have most countries in SE Asia been able to retain capacity to work toward freedom.

Rather than resenting this, you should be thankful, if not to the US then at least to history for providing you the umbrella of her protection for however long she is able.

you could say what these are (if there u.s marine operation's let me point out the British marines 400 years experience)

Those were specifically post-WWII deployments where action was seen by the SAS. Vietnam remains an unofficial deployment, but is widely believed to have occured.

Well of course! Mixing different quotes always makes for one good "honest" quote!

Ok, then - 'They exist to do bad things to people, regardless of whether those people are themselves good or bad' - would that be a more honest slogan for what you are claiming?

Only under the protective umbrella of American military might has Europe remained free, Germany and Russia become free, and have most countries in SE Asia been able to retain capacity to work toward freedom.

So, all us Euros should just disband our armed forces as superfluous?

The US Marines, the US Army, the US Air Force, and the US Navy have done more to insure the freedom of people the world over to speak their minds than any other fighting forces in the history of mankind.

(lol lets just ignore the fact that you support dictatorships for the moment)

the reason why democracy is so wide spread is because of the British empire were the ones who took the monarchy's power and lets not forget were the one's who fought WWI and WWII all the way though the only reason you are the only superpower is because France and Britain used all our might fighting the tyranny of the German and Austrian empires you came during the end of WWI which saved your economy and when Germany invaded Poland were was America? oh yes having isolationism which meant whilst we fought impossible odds against jerry fighters and superior tactics on the ground you got to have an economy

Ok, then - 'They exist to do bad things to people, regardless of whether those people are themselves good or bad' - would that be a more honest slogan for what you are claiming?
No, what I said was
They exist to do bad things to bad people.Get it right, or don't quote it, "Grampa"

You don't dish on the Marines or the military, understand? I'll hunt you down too.


Be my guest. If that's a death threat, I'd be glad to let the FBI handle this further...

Those were specifically post-WWII deployments where action was seen by the SAS

SAS was created to fight Germany in Africa :rolleyes:

So, all us Euros should just disband our armed forces as superfluous?
Might as well, I don't see them doing anything important, besides patrolling Iraq's "safe zones" Give us the money, we'll take care of ya. :mp5:

SAS was created to fight Germany in Africa :rolleyes:
...yes, your point?

*insert some liberal comment about how the FBI would go after you for hating the military*

:)

What on earth are you talking about?

*insert some liberal comment about how the FBI would go after you for hating the military*

:)


Um. Right. You do realize that making death threats is not only a bannable offense, but a felony, right?

No, what I said was Get it right, or don't quote it, "Grampa"

...having previously claimed that they would kill dissidents if ordered to do so, and when challenged by me refuted the claim that dissidents were bad people, which leads us to the conclusion that according to you their function is not only to 'do bad things to bad people' but also to 'do bad things to people who may not be bad people'.

Be my guest. If that's a death threat, I'd be glad to let the FBI handle this further...
Hey now! The F.B.I. is American. Aren't they evil too? :eek:

Hey now! The F.B.I. is American. Aren't they evil too? :eek:
Oh yes, because all americans are evil.

Might as well, I don't see them doing anything important, besides patrolling Iraq's "safe zones" Give us the money, we'll take care of ya. :mp5:

lol you do know in a fight the world could give the U.S a taste of what its like being that Iraqi the cruise missile is heading for

your forgetting we have small army's because you will die for us

And why is that, where are you from?


The United States.



Sarcasm alert, five o' clock!

And why is that, where are you from?



Jeegee2, stop spamming.

Jeegee2, stop spamming.

I'm not spamming, I was having a conversation with CSW.

I'm not spamming, I was having a conversation with CSW.


Link=in signature. Not up in your posts. He's talking about that.

(lol lets just ignore the fact that you support dictatorships for the moment)

the reason why democracy is so wide spread is because of the British empire were the ones who took the monarchy's power and lets not forget were the one's who fought WWI and WWII all the way though the only reason you are the only superpower is because France and Britain used all our might fighting the tyranny of the German and Austrian empires you came during the end of WWI which saved your economy and when Germany invaded Poland were was America? oh yes having isolationism which meant whilst we fought impossible odds against jerry fighters and superior tactics on the ground you got to have an economy

just so you read why I disagree with whoever posted why America has done the most for freedom

...having previously claimed that they would kill dissidents if ordered to do so, and when challenged by me refuted the claim that dissidents were bad people, which leads us to the conclusion that according to you their function is not only to 'do bad things to bad people' but also to 'do bad things to people who may not be bad people'.
You need to get off of your 2 dimensional, conclusive ass, and get with the multi-topical world, grampa.

This is for everyone who doesn't know what a United States Marine is all about.
Why we call them the "Devil Dogs"
In the Belleau Wood fighting in 1918, the Germans received a thorough indoctrination in the fighting ability of the Marines.
Fighting through supposedly impenetrable woods and capturing supposedly untakeable terrain, the persistent attacks, delivered with unbelievable courage soon had the Germans calling Marines "teufelhunden," referring to the fierce fighting dogs of legendary origin.

"Semper Fidelis"

The Motto of the United States Marine Corps.
Latin for always faithful. Faithful to god, Country, Family and the Corps.

All Americans, to this day, sleep well at night because we have the Marines ready to do "bad things" to anyone who threatens us, scares us, or makes us feel unsafe. Anyone who has a problem with that is free to post their displeasure on this forum because the Marines make it possible. Anything the Marines do may seem deplorable to some, but the thing is, if you have a problem with it, take it up with the Marines. If you have the balls. If not, this forums freedom is always maintained by the Marines if you want to bitch anomimously (and safely, your welcome!). SEMPER FI people!


Whatever man. Everybody knows it's the airforce that kicks ass. People think they aren't true soldiers but when it comes to winning wars that's what tips the balance in our favour every time. And good luck trying to storm the beaches without air support.

You need to get off of your 2 dimensional, conclusive ass, and get with the multi-topical world, grampa.

Should I take that as a 'yes' or a 'no' to my question as to whether, the way you portray them, the US Marines are better described as existing in order to ''do bad things to people who may or may not be bad people"?

Whatever man. Everybody knows it's the airforce that kicks ass. People thinks they aren't true soldiers but when it comes to winning wars that's what tips the balance in our favour every time. And good luck trying to storm the beaches without air support.
Whoa now! I freakin love the Air Force! My wife is in the Air force, as a matter of fact. I'm not even sure why we don't patrol Iraq from the air! I just needed to clear the Marines up a bit, because they catch all the hell.

And good luck trying to storm the beaches without air support.

Taking the Normandy beaches as an example here, wasn't naval fire actually more of an asset to the Allies than air support?

Should I take that as a 'yes' or a 'no' to my question as to whether, the way you portray them, the US Marines are better described as existing in order to ''do bad things to people who may or may not be bad people"?
O.K. , how about this? If you fuck with the Marines, or their supporters, they will kill you, whether you are GOOD or BAD. Fuck with them=Die. Is that clear enough for you, ya needy bitch?

O.K. , how about this? If you fuck with the Marines, or their supporters, they will kill you, whether you are GOOD or BAD. Fuck with them=Die. Is that clear enough for you, ya needy bitch?
Oh good, so that means a lot of marines are on death row then?

O.K. , how about this? If you fuck with the Marines, or their supporters, they will kill you, whether you are GOOD or BAD. Fuck with them=Die. Is that clear enough for you, ya needy bitch?

You know, somehow the way you portray them doesn't make the Marines seem so heroic, more like just a bunch of gangsters. If your initial attempt at this thread was to encourage respect and support for them and I were to take your portrayal of them as realistic, then you would have failed in my case.

American culture and society have so many good qualities, why do so many Americans act like their ability to slaughter political opponents most efficiently is the be-all-end-all? It seems more and more like certain segments of the US population have propped the armed forces up to be some sort of god. It's sad. Please, someone gloat about the Bill of Rights or the Smithsonian for once. They're a much better measure of a nation and a society than the ability to blow stuff up then make a movie out of it.

O.K. , how about this? If you fuck with the Marines, or their supporters, they will kill you, whether you are GOOD or BAD. Fuck with them=Die. Is that clear enough for you, ya needy bitch?
So they're no better than a street gang?

Oh good, so that means a lot of marines are on death row then?
Nope


You know, somehow the way you portray them doesn't make the Marines seem so heroic, more like just a bunch of gangsters. If your initial attempt at this thread was to encourage respect and support for them and I were to take your portrayal of them as realistic, then you would have failed in my case.
Just being honest. And if you don't think they are heroes for going into situations where they believe they will die, to protect and serve others, than thats all you, buddy. Heroes don't need to be perfect, just courageous. Glad I don't live in your world. Apparently nobody is good enough. Have fun in your world of perfect people. I'll be here in realville, killing bad people, k?

American culture and society have so many good qualities, why do so many Americans act like their ability to slaughter political opponents most efficiently is the be-all-end-all? It seems more and more like certain segments of the US population have propped the armed forces up to be some sort of god. It's sad. Please, someone gloat about the Bill of Rights or the Smithsonian for once. They're a much better measure of a nation and a society than the ability to blow stuff up then make a movie out of it.
We don't need to brag about the Bill of Rights, the military does that for us. We blow shit up so that our shit stays around to be bragged about later.

Heroes don't need to be perfect, just courageous.

Courage is not sufficient to make a hero. I could reel off a list of courageous terrorists here: would I consider them heroes? Nope. Heroism goes beyond merely being courageous and actually doing something which is morally right.

This thread was flamebait from the start, and this post in particular is inappropriate.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9459980&postcount=101

Take a week off. FORUMBANNED, and OFFICIALLY WARNED.

On second thought, there were several deaththreats. Goodbye.