NationStates Jolt Archive


War On Chavaism

The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:25
Who in the UK can see a war on Chavs breaking out. :sniper:
I mean the fact that chavs graffiti, vandalise property, paintstrip cars, throw glass bottles at passers-by and are a general nuisance.
In my school there is barbed wire and spikes over the gates and walls so that chavs and thugs can't get in and once the chavas climbed over and threw bricks at people, one hitting a kid in the head.
A teacher tried to shoot a chav once after constant death messages, but not my teacher.
Chava for those who don't know stands for:

Counsil :headbang:
House
And
Violent
Animal

So can you see a civil 'chava' war and would you support it? :mp5:
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:27
If you really hate chavas and want to stop them then join Anti Chav Island.
We are commited to destroying chava regions with power. :gundge:
Drunk commies deleted
16-08-2005, 23:29
I like chavs. If you didn't have chavs the stores that sell cigarettes and 40 oz. beers would go broke. There an important part of your economy. England's there home, innit? Where will they go if you chase them out?
Taverham high
16-08-2005, 23:30
Who in the UK can see a war on Chavs breaking out. :sniper:
I mean the fact that chavs graffiti, vandalise property, paintstrip cars, throw glass bottles at passers-by and are a general nuisance.
In my school there is barbed wire and spikes over the gates and walls so that chavs and thugs can't get in and once the chavas climbed over and threw bricks at people, one hitting a kid in the head.
A teacher tried to shoot a chav once after constant death messages, but not my teacher.
Chava for those who don't know stands for:
Counsil
House
And
Violent
Animal :headbang:

So can you see a civil 'chava' war and would you support it? :mp5:


i love the way they all think they are gangstaz.

if you just take the piss out of them cleverly they have no way of getting back at you because you show up their lack of intelligence in front of their freinds.
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:33
I like chavs. If you didn't have chavs the stores that sell cigarettes and 40 oz. beers would go broke. There an important part of your economy. England's there home, innit? Where will they go if you chase them out?

We don't have to chase them out, but we could force them to live in cages. :mp5:
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:34
i love the way they all think they are gangstaz.

if you just take the piss out of them cleverly they have no way of getting back at you because you show up their lack of intelligence in front of their freinds.

That's true.
Some chavs can't even spell the word 'friends'.
Drunk commies deleted
16-08-2005, 23:35
We don't have to chase them out, but we could force them to live in cages. :mp5:
That's barbaric. Forcing a man who needs to be out and about selling pirated CDs and DVDs, drinking, and buying gold chains to sit in a cage with his 14 year old pregnant girlfriend.
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:36
That's barbaric. Forcing a man who needs to be out and about selling pirated CDs and DVDs, drinking, and buying gold chains to sit in a cage with his 14 year old pregnant girlfriend.

Haha! Good one.
But that highlights an issue, where would people buy their pirate DVDs?
Taverham high
16-08-2005, 23:37
That's true.
Some chavs can't even spell the word 'friends'.

ok you got me. im a closet chav.

wot choo lookin at?
Novaya Zemlaya
16-08-2005, 23:38
we have them in Ireland too,only we call them snacks,scummers,or skangers.bloody chavs.
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:39
ok you got me. im a closet chav.

wot choo lookin at?

Yes, well I'm afraid due to current laws you're going to have to live in a cage. Goldie Lookin' Chain and Blazin' Squad are your cage-neighbours though.
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:41
we have them in Ireland too,only we call them snacks,scummers,or skangers.bloody chavs.

That's funny. I call crisps and biscuits 'snacks'.
Do you often eat your chavas?
Are they tasty?
Drunk commies deleted
16-08-2005, 23:45
Yes, well I'm afraid due to current laws you're going to have to live in a cage. Goldie Lookin' Chain and Blazin' Squad are your cage-neighbours though.
You'd lock the GLC in a cage? That's fucked up. Their rap songs are funny as hell.
Taverham high
16-08-2005, 23:46
You'd lock the GLC in a cage? That's fucked up. Their rap songs are funny as hell.

you knows it. clart.
Zolworld
16-08-2005, 23:47
We don't have to chase them out, but we could force them to live in cages. :mp5:


In Holland they make the worst chavs live in shipping containers, away from regualr people, in shipping container shanty towns. Not a bad idea.
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:48
You'd lock the GLC in a cage? That's fucked up. Their rap songs are funny as hell.

I know, I am a fan of GLC. But they do act like chavs, even if that's just what it is, 'an act'. But I'd still lock up Blazin' Squad...ad throw away the key.
The New Diabolicals
16-08-2005, 23:50
In Holland they make the worst chavs live in shipping containers, away from regualr people, in shipping container shanty towns. Not a bad idea.

Wow, that's good.
But it was just a joke. It's kind of unfair to lock 'em up for being a chav.
Grand Britannium
16-08-2005, 23:53
There is already a place where chavs (or neds as we call them in scotland) are kept seperate from society. It's called the "council estate"
Leafanistan
16-08-2005, 23:53
Chavs murdered a friend of a friend a few weeks ago. The chav community isn't cooperating with police. They've made arrests, they killed the guy for no reason they just felt like killing them. They just smacked him in the back of the head, no chance. They are monsters and should all be beaten for their kinda deliquent behavior and their parents reeducated. And I'm being serious. It made the BBC headlines, but I can't find the story again.
TheDoomed
17-08-2005, 00:06
the fact that chavs graffiti


I'm sorry... maybe you're culturally and artistically stunted but graffiti is art. "Tagging" and "Bombing" could still be considered art, but are usually what people mean when referring to graffiti.

Then again, maybe I'm being a pedantic asshole... it does seem like one of those nights.
Leafanistan
17-08-2005, 00:14
I'm sorry... maybe you're culturally and artistically stunted but graffiti is art. "Tagging" and "Bombing" could still be considered art, but are usually what people mean when referring to graffiti.

Then again, maybe I'm being a pedantic asshole... it does seem like one of those nights.

Sometimes its art, if you are just scrawling your name, then it isn't, but if you artfully make your name into a display revealign your personaility (NYC NS players represent!) then its art.
Letila
17-08-2005, 00:27
I've heard of the Chavs, but exactly what is a Chav, anyway?
Santa Barbara
17-08-2005, 00:29
Basically, chavs are a hated minority slash stupid trendy teens slash hicks, which the rest of Britain hates but likes to conviniently ignore when they're pointing out how degenerate, divisive, crazy, shallow and immature American culture(s) is/are in comparison to their own fine example.
The Arch Wobbly
17-08-2005, 00:39
England's there home, innit? Where will they go if you chase them out?

We could send them all on the first manned mission to the sun. It'll be okay, we'll tell them they're going at night.
The Arch Wobbly
17-08-2005, 00:40
rest of Britain hates but likes to conviniently ignore when they're pointing out how degenerate, divisive, crazy, shallow and immature American culture(s) is/are in comparison to their own fine example.

Wow, a thread that's not insulting America and you're trying to turn it into one?
Santa Barbara
17-08-2005, 00:48
Wow, a thread that's not insulting America and you're trying to turn it into one?

I am correctly pointing out a bit of collective short-sightedness when it comes to those britons who sometimes like to point out certain things about other peoples.
Hyridian
17-08-2005, 00:59
Basically, chavs are a hated minority slash stupid trendy teens slash hicks, which the rest of Britain hates but likes to conviniently ignore when they're pointing out how degenerate, divisive, crazy, shallow and immature American culture(s) is/are in comparison to their own fine example.

Over here in America we call those kind of people 'Black'

edit:


Wow, a thread that's not insulting America and you're trying to turn it into one?

aw come one. give him a break. There are plenty of people in America that fit that description :)
The New Diabolicals
17-08-2005, 11:17
I'm sorry... maybe you're culturally and artistically stunted but graffiti is art. "Tagging" and "Bombing" could still be considered art, but are usually what people mean when referring to graffiti.

Then again, maybe I'm being a pedantic asshole... it does seem like one of those nights.

I consider graffiti as art, if it's in the right place! The other day I saw a nice old castle with the words sprayed across it in huge blue letters 'I is Sex Beast'. I don't consider that as art.
Kanabia
17-08-2005, 11:20
I like chavs. If you didn't have chavs the stores that sell cigarettes and 40 oz. beers would go broke. There an important part of your economy. England's there home, innit? Where will they go if you chase them out?

*notices everyone staring in his direction*

No more convicts. Bugger off.
Compulsive Depression
17-08-2005, 11:27
Hey, chavs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav) are human too!


Allegedly.
Anarchy 2005
17-08-2005, 11:33
Who in the UK can see a war on Chavs breaking out. :sniper:
I mean the fact that chavs graffiti, vandalise property, paintstrip cars, throw glass bottles at passers-by and are a general nuisance.
In my school there is barbed wire and spikes over the gates and walls so that chavs and thugs can't get in and once the chavas climbed over and threw bricks at people, one hitting a kid in the head.
A teacher tried to shoot a chav once after constant death messages, but not my teacher.
Chava for those who don't know stands for:

Counsil :headbang:
House
And
Violent
Animal

So can you see a civil 'chava' war and would you support it? :mp5:
Its Neds that we are after... wee trackie wearing, spraypainting... Buckie Drinking, Knife Carrying wee arseholes
Pure Metal
17-08-2005, 11:56
something needs to be done about these people. i blame Thatcher for creating an underclass through her (and the tories' in general) massive underfunding of the public education system... but thats a whole other issue


anyway, chavs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4158864.stm
chavs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/4156180.stm
chavs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4157628.stm (baseball cap gives it all away)
chavs: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4593333.stm
etc...

i couldn't find that story from the national news on tv last night about that muslim kid and his brother who got beaten up at school by a gang of 100 other kids and their 5 chav ringleaders. those leaders are now facing jail and looked like the most chavvish, nasty little fuckers when they showed their pics on the news :headbang:
Samumenistanisteinberg
17-08-2005, 12:23
So Chavs are basically "gangstas" right? All of the crimes involving chavs mentioned seem just like typical crime over in the U.S. They don't seem to have a need for a war against them. I think the governments here in europe don't like to think that they have the same problems as the U.S. and they are scared that they will come off looking like fools for criticizing the U.S.
FourX
17-08-2005, 12:33
Graffiti is "Art" if the "Artist" has permission to graffiti on whatever surface it is.

If they do not have permission then it is vandalism.
Pure Metal
17-08-2005, 12:36
So Chavs are basically "gangstas" right? All of the crimes involving chavs mentioned seem just like typical crime over in the U.S. They don't seem to have a need for a war against them. I think the governments here in europe don't like to think that they have the same problems as the U.S. and they are scared that they will come off looking like fools for criticizing the U.S.
a) what an amazingly stereotypical americano-centric paranoid anti-european view :rolleyes:

b) i don't really know what its like in the states, but these chavs tend to be kids aged between 12 - 17/18 (and up) and indulge in petty violence, petty theft for pathetic things like mobile phones, are generally racist and pretty bloody stupid, and have their own sad little culture revolving round sports brands like Addidas, Kappa, etc...
we've always had this sort of crime and such in the uk, but recently, with the rise of the chav, its become part of their culture and is spreading - hence why we need a war against them.
and yes it is highly influenced by american 'gangsta' culture - these chavs are pretty much just trying emulate them... so we can blame you lot! :mad:
FourX
17-08-2005, 12:47
One hobby of Chavs is "Happy Slapping" where they go up to someone and slap them and film the act on a video mobile phone.

This has evolved into beating the victim into a coma and a little while ago a rape of a 12 year old.

The 'children' are typically under 18 and almost always under 16 and so are almost completely out of the reach of the courts and rarely suffer serious consequences of their crimes. There have been a few cases of chavs committing very serious crimes (e.g. murder) and then it turns out they have 100 criminal convictions and nobody thought to put them in jail.

There have also been a few cases where people have fought back and ended up with criminal records for defending themselves or their property against criminals with 100odd convictions.

The existance of chavs is largely down to the legal system failing to effectively punish them, while often punishing those who stand up to them.
Wyrmdom
17-08-2005, 12:48
if you just take the piss out of them cleverly they have no way of getting back at you because you show up their lack of intelligence in front of their freinds.

Actually, at that point they will attack you.
Taverham high
17-08-2005, 12:52
Actually, at that point they will attack you.


not the chavs round here, theyre all cowards really, and they pick on people smaller than them.
FourX
17-08-2005, 13:00
Your area seems to be popuated by "Chav Lite".

Most places I have been they will attack, or at the very least slash your tyres or break some windows.

They tend to be little buggers but as they are in groups (and often lightly armed) the size advantage is not that great.

If you "win" a confrontation there is a good chance you will find yourself in the dock for assault. This is why you have to make sure there are no witnesses when you use a baseball bat....
Ficticious Proportions
17-08-2005, 13:05
Basically, chavs are a hated minority slash stupid trendy teens slash hicks, which the rest of Britain hates but likes to conviniently ignore when they're pointing out how degenerate, divisive, crazy, shallow and immature American culture(s) is/are in comparison to their own fine example.

Steady on now. Those are only the imperally ones who think Britain is great. The ones in this thread are some of the few that are acknowledging that our country is just as problematic as the next - I'm not proud of my nationality at all, but I think such generalisations are just as bad as the ones you're trying to criticise. Both our countries are filled with problems more than both administrations will admit because of many reasons; reasons that would make another topic.
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On graffiti - tagging is just vandalism, actual graphic designs are quite amazing sometimes. The problem is more where they are. They should allow some walls on public (not private) property to be assigned for it, but somewhere slightly aside so that those who disapprove of it don't have to see it, but those who appreciate it can go and view it. Like alternative art galleries.

Chavs claim to be "gangstas" but aren't even close to the American "gangsta", they're more like giant mobs of brainless idiots whose parents kick them out for the evening because they're so anti-social, they're a pain to keep under control in the house. I mean, as far as their parents are concerned, they would rather they broke things that weren't theirs. Very thatcherite. It's akin to cats. Cats kill birds, Chavs kill communities. If a civil war were to break out, I'd gladly take up arms, but wouldn't it be genocide? Would it see NewDiabolicals in the UN court of Human rights?
The Gar wizard
17-08-2005, 13:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunk commies deleted
I like chavs. If you didn't have chavs the stores that sell cigarettes and 40 oz. beers would go broke. There an important part of your economy. England's there home, innit? Where will they go if you chase them out

Important part of our economy?! are you mad? they vandalise our streets our schools and our homes. they litter everywhere. they roam the streets knifing people for as little as a shiny penny! they should all be sent away to the acid mines! :gundge:
Tyrell Corporation
17-08-2005, 13:18
Suprised no one's mentioned http://www.chavscum.co.uk/ yet - a field guide to identifying the little fuckers in their native habitat, and some top pics in the Chav of the Month section ;)

As for Thatcher ruining the state school system; I left school in '86 with a reasonable set of qualifications and went on to get a decent degree; I don't think you can just blame today's social problems on yesterday's government, it isn't necessarily that straightforward.

A lot of it, in my view, is simply that for whatever reason, some elements of society today are unwilling to take responsibility for their actions or think of anything other than themselves. Still, that's for another thread I think.
Mekonia
17-08-2005, 13:21
That's true.
Some chavs can't even spell the word 'friends'.

LOL :D But seriously they as well as yobs are so annoying. Did you year about the guy that had the yazbos-(i have the name of this wrongs) rule over turned? This guy was an unemployed chav of a loud mouth who caused nothing but trouble and violence in his town-was bascially ordered to live a certain distance from the town but had the 'conviction' overturned as it was a violation of his human rights cos he missed his Mum-they should have packed her off too for giving birth to him. :gundge:
FourX
17-08-2005, 13:25
Ahh yes. The glorious Human Rights Act. Haven of Chavs and Terrorists alike.
Jjimjja
17-08-2005, 13:28
*notices everyone staring in his direction*

No more convicts. Bugger off.

how about kiwi land then? ;)
FourX
17-08-2005, 13:36
how about kiwi land then? ;)

why put them on land?

Just dump them in the pacific.
Ay-way
17-08-2005, 13:49
They're out of control because they have nothing to fear. Just start punishing them like adults who commit the same crimes... why is that not a thing?

Gads, I'm turning into a conservative! :eek:
Jjimjja
17-08-2005, 14:04
why put them on land?

Just dump them in the pacific.

HOW IGNORANT OF YOU!!!!! :mad:

DON'T YOU THINK WE'VE DUMPED ENOUGH POLLUTION INTO THE OCEAN ALREADY!!! :mad:



teasing ;)
Jjimjja
17-08-2005, 14:05
if anyone wished to recognise the sub-species of man called Chav please see link

link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Chav.jpg)
New British Glory
17-08-2005, 14:13
something needs to be done about these people. i blame Thatcher for creating an underclass through her (and the tories' in general) massive underfunding of the public education system... but thats a whole other issue

It's always the Tories fault, isn't it? For heaven's sake, the Chav is a modern thing! During Thatcher's time the underclass were the skin heads. No, the Chav is New Labour's fault as the Chav has emerged under their policies of enforcing political correctness and piling paperwork onto the police.
FourX
17-08-2005, 14:21
Sometimes it is reasonable to blame the last government, however at the moment the last government was Labour, and the government before that was Labour too.
Taverham high
17-08-2005, 14:27
It's always the Tories fault, isn't it?


yes. word.
Laenis
17-08-2005, 14:27
It's always the Tories fault, isn't it? For heaven's sake, the Chav is a modern thing! During Thatcher's time the underclass were the skin heads. No, the Chav is New Labour's fault as the Chav has emerged under their policies of enforcing political correctness and piling paperwork onto the police.

See this i've never understood. Supposedly the police not being allowed to go around saying "Fucking niggers are the cause of all crime, and pakis. Arrest them but let white people go!" is going to make them really ineffective? People seem to want to blame EVERYTHING on the fact that nowadays being offensive to minorities is generally looked down upon.

I personally have beign attacked by a group of 5 chavs with plastic pipes on the back of the head. Still, I gave one a bloody nose and another a bust lip and walked away. Plus they're on Asbos now, so meh. I must say, it's not a working class thing really - these kids are just middle class wannabes who want to cause trouble - I live in a small rich town. Some people just use the word chav as an excuse for mindless snobbery, which is just wrong.
FourX
17-08-2005, 15:45
See this i've never understood. Supposedly the police not being allowed to go around saying "Fucking niggers are the cause of all crime, and pakis. Arrest them but let white people go!" is going to make them really ineffective? People seem to want to blame EVERYTHING on the fact that nowadays being offensive to minorities is generally looked down upon.


I think when he was talking about PC he meant the courts habit of not properly punishing young offenders as it might damage their future prospects and harm their emotional state of mind. So they send them on "character building" luxary holidays in the sun instead. Or not making offenders on community service wear orange jump-suits as it might embarrass the poor mites.

This is very different to condoning racism in the police.
Pure Metal
17-08-2005, 16:01
It's always the Tories fault, isn't it? For heaven's sake, the Chav is a modern thing! During Thatcher's time the underclass were the skin heads. No, the Chav is New Labour's fault as the Chav has emerged under their policies of enforcing political correctness and piling paperwork onto the police.
thatcher created the skinheads. the skinheads' kids are the chavs.

the problem with these kids is that they do not learn 'normal' values or any form of respect for others at home - the problem stems from not being brought up properly. that problem stems from the tories creating this horrible underclass of stupid, ill-educated people who are wholly unrespectul of other human beings... the chavs learn this from their parents and the problem just gets worse...

sure paperwork etc is a pain in the arse for schools today, but the problem begins at home.


and chavs aren't a problem in most of continental Europe. why? during the 80s their governments, for the most part, stuck to more socialised policies and didn't underfund the state education system! (unlike like that horrible Thatcher woman)
Ravenshrike
17-08-2005, 16:13
Haha! Good one.
But that highlights an issue, where would people buy their pirate DVDs?
Damn, they'd have to make a trip to either Hong Kong or the Phillippines.
King Christophe
17-08-2005, 16:14
Over here in America we call those kind of people 'Black'


I'll handle this situation, chavs are usually white people that act like your inner city black people. They try to be 'gangsta' and their unique, primative, language compolies much of the word 'innit'
King Christophe
17-08-2005, 16:16
Over here in America we call those kind of people 'Black'


I'll handle this situation, chavs are usually white people that act like your inner city black people. They try to be 'gangsta' and their unique, primative, language compilies much of the word 'innit'

For more information on the Chav:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Chav
King Christophe
17-08-2005, 16:24
thatcher created the skinheads. the skinheads' kids are the chavs.

the problem with these kids is that they do not learn 'normal' values or any form of respect for others at home - the problem stems from not being brought up properly. that problem stems from the tories creating this horrible underclass of stupid, ill-educated people who are wholly unrespectul of other human beings... the chavs learn this from their parents and the problem just gets worse...

sure paperwork etc is a pain in the arse for schools today, but the problem begins at home.


and chavs aren't a problem in most of continental Europe. why? during the 80s their governments, for the most part, stuck to more socialised policies and didn't underfund the state education system! (unlike like that horrible Thatcher woman)

I completely disagree. Should it be my fault that these people are poor? I don't want to have to pay for them to sit on their arse and think up new ways to get involved in crime.

The problem is with socialism. The chavs have discovered that the government will pay for them to do whatever the hell they want. You need the opposite, you need capitalism to cure the chavs, you need to only give help to those chavs that are trying to get jobs and are trying to get a better life. Then chavs would need to go to school, they would need jobs, they would need to try to be respectable citizens.
Pure Metal
17-08-2005, 16:44
I completely disagree. Should it be my fault that these people are poor? I don't want to have to pay for them to sit on their arse and think up new ways to get involved in crime.

The problem is with socialism. The chavs have discovered that the government will pay for them to do whatever the hell they want. You need the opposite, you need capitalism to cure the chavs, you need to only give help to those chavs that are trying to get jobs and are trying to get a better life. Then chavs would need to go to school, they would need jobs, they would need to try to be respectable citizens.
you completely misunderstood my point. it was a lack of socialised policy and government expenditure that created the chavs in the first place

and unemployment benefit currently works in just that way - if you can prove you are actively looking for work then you can get benefit. if not, after 6 months you're off the program... at least thats what i understand
Jjimjja
17-08-2005, 16:45
I'll handle this situation, chavs are usually white people that act like your inner city black people. They try to be 'gangsta' and their unique, primative, language compilies much of the word 'innit'

For more information on the Chav:

http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Chav

FAANTASTIC SOURCE :D
Novaya Zemlaya
19-08-2005, 03:05
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chav

that ones a bit fairer!
as in not a complete piss take!
Nadkor
19-08-2005, 03:06
we have them in Ireland too,only we call them snacks,scummers,or skangers.bloody chavs.
You missed "spide" and "steek"
Thekalu
19-08-2005, 03:09
I was visiting relatives in london and was out sightseeing and a chav started yelling disgusting things at my female cousin so I beat the shit out of him with his own chain
Novaya Zemlaya
19-08-2005, 03:16
never heard of those two,they Ulster ones yea?u probly havnt herd snack either,its tipperary only as far as i know.i forgot the skobes in cork as well.
wah boy,waaah
Novaya Zemlaya
19-08-2005, 03:19
I was visiting relatives in london and was out sightseeing and a chav started yelling disgusting things at my female cousin so I beat the shit out of him with his own chain

if thats true youre a legend.killem all!just think of how much dole money we'd save