Question for Muslims...
As the title indicates this is mostly a question for Muslims, but if u have the answer then please share.
Most religions that I can think of that have a "heaven" or a similar place (such as paradise for Muslims correct?) then there is usually the opposite place or "hell".
Now then, does the Islamic belief have a "hell"-like place, and if so, what's it called?
Ancient Valyria
16-08-2005, 21:05
America :D
America :D
Funny, very funny.
Back to being serious now.
The Black Forrest
16-08-2005, 21:07
America :D
Get it right.
We are the Great Satan.
Israel is Hell. ;)
Teckor: If nobody responds, I will ask one of the Muslims I work with.....
Get it right.
We are the Great Satan.
Israel is Hell. ;)
Teckor: If nobody responds, I will ask one of the Muslims I work with.....
Aaaaannnnnnnnnddddddd no. To all 3 statements.
Can some1 that actually knows what their talking about respond.
Sami Arabia
16-08-2005, 21:11
The Muslim version of hell is similar to the christian in many ways (torture, heat etc). And so is satan, derived from the arabic shaitan.
I have read somewhere that the Christian version of hell is very norse influenced (hel was a norse god). Please clarify.
Hunting Eagles
16-08-2005, 21:12
Most religions that I can think of that have a "heaven" or a similar place (such as paradise for Muslims correct?) then there is usually the opposite place or "hell".
Actually, this is not true. I can think oof a great many major religions without a "heavan" or a "hell." For example, Judaism. There is no afterlife discribed in the Jewish faith (I am Jewish myself). Another example, Buddhism. In that religion, they believe in reincarnation, not an afterlife. I may be mistaken, but I believe Hinduism is the same way.
Right there you have covered most of the large religions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism. Only the first two have a "heaven" or "hell," at least to my knowledge.
Heron-Marked Warriors
16-08-2005, 21:12
Aaaaannnnnnnnnddddddd no. To all 3 statements.
Can some1 that actually knows what their talking about respond.
But they do know what they're talking about: the islamic version of hell.
They just don't have the answer.
Neither do I.
The Muslim version of hell is similar to the christian in many ways (torture, heat etc). And so is satan, derived from the arabic shaitan.
I have read somewhere that the Christian version of hell is very norse influenced (hel was a norse god). Please clarify.
Excellent, thx. Not to be interogative but what is it called though?
About Hell and the norse god Hel. I don't have a clue. That might have come about by chance, translating the norse language, etc. Not sure, but I don't believe that that's where they got the name from.
Heron-Marked Warriors
16-08-2005, 21:14
The Muslim version of hell is similar to the christian in many ways (torture, heat etc). And so is satan, derived from the arabic shaitan.
I have read somewhere that the Christian version of hell is very norse influenced (hel was a norse god). Please clarify.
The Nordic version was cold, I believe, not hot. But I might be wrong
Actually, this is not true. I can think oof a great many major religions without a "heavan" or a "hell." For example, Judaism. There is no afterlife discribed in the Jewish faith (I am Jewish myself). Another example, Buddhism. In that religion, they believe in reincarnation, not an afterlife. I may be mistaken, but I believe Hinduism is the same way.
Right there you have covered most of the large religions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism. Only the first two have a "heaven" or "hell," at least to my knowledge.
Excuse me, but that I'm pretty sure Judaism has a Heaven, seeing as that God dwells in Heaven.
The Nordic version was cold, I believe, not hot. But I might be wrong
LOL. Maybe, maybe. Kinda the reverse LOL :)
Hunting Eagles
16-08-2005, 21:22
Excuse me, but that I'm pretty sure Judaism has a Heaven, seeing as that God dwells in Heaven.
Are you Jewish? I AM! No wherein the old testament does it say anything about an afterlife. Of that I am 100% certain.
Are you Jewish? I AM! No wherein the old testament does it say anything about an afterlife. Of that I am 100% certain.
Okay, sorry, gosh. Didn't mean to offend u.
Brians Test
16-08-2005, 21:27
Excuse me, but that I'm pretty sure Judaism has a Heaven, seeing as that God dwells in Heaven.
He's just not a very informed Jew.
Douche-bagistan
16-08-2005, 21:28
Excuse me, but that I'm pretty sure Judaism has a Heaven, seeing as that God dwells in Heaven.
i think its more along the lines as : "god dwells in the heavens" (not "in heaven") There is no afterlife specifically described, because until Christianity came along, only polytheistic religions cared about an afterlife. Jesus's disciples, when creating the Christian religion, focused a lot on the death of Christ, and the time after which their savior died, therfore creating a "heaven" and "hell". I know in judaism, no 'real savior' ever died, so no one really cared about what happened after life, the old testament/torah (since theyre the same thing) mainly focused on creation (genesis), and stories of the living.
i think its more along the lines as : "god dwells in the heavens" (not "in heaven") There is no afterlife specifically described, because until Christianity came along, only polytheistic religions cared about an afterlife. Jesus's disciples, when creating the Christian religion, focused a lot on the death of Christ, and the time after which their savior died, therfore creating a "heaven" and "hell". I know in judaism, no 'real savior' ever died, so no one really cared about what happened after life, the old testament/torah (since theyre the same thing) mainly focused on creation (genesis), and stories of the living.
Thanks, but one point I'd like to point out, even before Jesus died he talked about Heaven.
But still, back to what I'd created this thread to plz.
El Papaya
16-08-2005, 21:56
Ok the short answer is yes there is a Hell and Heaven in Islam. However it's more complicated with different levels of heaven. There is a hell too but according to the article i read it won't be created until judgement day. But it does not mention where the souls go until then. Read for yourself Here:http://www.submission.org/heaven.html
Hunting Eagles
16-08-2005, 21:59
I have done a little research online (very little, just in the last few minutes) on afterlife in Islam, and here is what I have found so far:
As previously mentioned, the Qoran does speak of a paradise. I will not go into details.
Apparently, the Qoran states that those who have been shown the true faith of Islam and reject it will suffer torment in the fires of Hell.
I have not yet found any other mention of Hell, but I would bet that there is more, as Islam incorporates most elements of Christianity, including a belief in Jesus as one of the prophets. I will add more info if I have time to do more research.
P.S. sorry if my last post had sounded overly upset. I was when I wrote it, but not really at you, Teckor. I just have had a lot of experience with non-Jews (especially Christians) claiming to know what the Jewish faith believes in just because their faith grew out of ours. I should not have taken out that anger here, and I apologize.
Al Maghrib
16-08-2005, 22:03
Ok the last post gets you the answer :)
The muslims called hell : Jahannam (http://www.pantheon.org/articles/j/jahannam.html)
A little wav (http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1UKP9F7F646CO2JPVV3YG45CGS) how to prounounce it (my own voice :))
Muslim Heave and Hell (http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islamworld.net%2Fheavenhell.htm)
I was curious as well so I did a quick search. I found this along with many others. Basically they say that Allaah created Heaven and Hell. Heaven is where he puts people that he gives his mercy to and Hell is everyone that does not believe in him, obey is laws, etc....
"In Hell-uh, it smells really, really bad-uh. In Hell-uh, everyone speaks Spanish. There is water in Hell-uh, but if you drink it, you piss blood out your ass for seven hours."---Eric Cartmann.
In Islam, hell is the abscence of God. Those who do not believe in God and the Last Day dwell without God.
Al-Qurain
16-08-2005, 22:31
Jahanam is the main name for hell in Islam that's right, there other names such as "Al-Nar" which basically means the fire, also hell has been created ages ago (don't know when but definetely it is there, it wouldn't be created in the day of judgement ) so I hope that I've helped in clarifiying certain things
Katzistanza
16-08-2005, 22:57
Actually, this is not true. I can think oof a great many major religions without a "heavan" or a "hell." For example, Judaism. There is no afterlife discribed in the Jewish faith (I am Jewish myself). Another example, Buddhism. In that religion, they believe in reincarnation, not an afterlife. I may be mistaken, but I believe Hinduism is the same way.
Right there you have covered most of the large religions, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism. Only the first two have a "heaven" or "hell," at least to my knowledge.
In Hinduism, if you are loyal enough to one diety, say Vishnu, that diety can take you out of the life-rebirth cycle for a bit to dwell with them in their personal Heaven.
The Nordic version was cold, I believe, not hot. But I might be wrong
The Christain version wasn't hot untill Dante's Inferno
In Islam, hell is the abscence of God. Those who do not believe in God and the Last Day dwell without God.
Origonally, it was exactly the same in Christianity. The version of Hell has been corrupted, though, throughout the ages (by corrupted I mean changed, and the new version overtaking the old)
The Black Forrest
16-08-2005, 22:59
Aaaaannnnnnnnnddddddd no. To all 3 statements.
Can some1 that actually knows what their talking about respond.
It's called Jahanum and it's pretty much the same as the Christian version.
The other place is called Jennah.
;)
Aryavartha
17-08-2005, 07:20
The other place is called Jennah.
Heaven = Jannat ,IIRC.
The Christain version wasn't hot untill Dante's Inferno
Origonally, it was exactly the same in Christianity. The version of Hell has been corrupted, though, throughout the ages (by corrupted I mean changed, and the new version overtaking the old)
Firstly, I don't believe your first sentance about it not being hot until Dante's Inferno (read Revalation 20:15) (Lake of fire, aka Hell) Although, re-reading it right now, I think that the name Hell wasn't actually natural for it since one of the horses of appocolipse was called Death and Hell (Revalation 6:8). I don't think that Hell it's self has changed to Christians in that it's a place of torment, suffering, and fire, name I'm not sure about thinking about it, but it has essentially remained the same.
Thanks to all for participating, and it's all pretty interesting.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
11-10-2005, 21:27
Another example, Buddhism. In that religion, they believe in reincarnation, not an afterlife.
Yes and no. Buddhism is all about a sort of Heaven. The whole point of being a Buddhist is to meditate your way into Nirvana, which is a sort of thing. I'm running from vague memories here, but I believe that Nirvana is this weird place/entity that people get to so that they can enjoy happiness for eternity (as opposed to this world, which is illusions and guilt).
Then there is this one sect of Buddhism that built a weird hierarchy of Hells that are below this world and heavens that are above it and has Hungry Ghosts.
I may be mistaken, but I believe Hinduism is the same way.
Once again, the goal of Hinduism is to get out of the cycle of life and go be with the god-thing. Hanging with the master of the Universe is also the basis of Christianity's heaven, so I'd say that Hindus have heaven and hell.
So, nyeh, Jews you all just had to go and be different, didn't you?
Aryavartha
11-10-2005, 21:34
Not to be interogative but what is it called though?
The Arabic word is Jahannum.
The word for paradise is Jannat.
Aryavartha
11-10-2005, 21:37
Once again, the goal of Hinduism is to get out of the cycle of life and go be with the god-thing. Hanging with the master of the Universe is also the basis of Christianity's heaven, so I'd say that Hindus have heaven and hell.
Not the eternally damned to hell thing and the eternal bliss in heaven thing.
There maybe hellish planets where one goes to depending on his karma, but belief on this varies within sects and even the sects which believe in hellish planets, don't believe it is eternal punishment.
Maineiacs
11-10-2005, 21:43
A few clarifications: The Norse version of Hell was as someone pointed out, cold. It makes sense if you think about it. In the deserts of the Middle East, one was afraid of heat and thirst; in Scandanavia, one was afraid of freezing. Buddhism does indeed believe in reincarnation, but the ultiamte goal is Nirvana, not a place per se, but the state of cessation of all desires and attachment to the physical in which one would break the cycle of birth/rebirth.