NationStates Jolt Archive


Marajauna Friend or Foe

JackDwhiskey
16-08-2005, 09:07
personnally i see nothing wrong with it and i find it quite entertaining to smoke or eat, ive also found that most of those anti pot tv ads are lies and misrepresentations of the truth.....
Gymoor II The Return
16-08-2005, 09:13
I find it's generally good for people who are put together right, and generally bad for those who aren't. It's like anything I suppose. Alcohol. Lottery tickets. Brtitney Spears concerts. It preys on the weak, and makes them more foolish than they would otherwise be.
JackDwhiskey
16-08-2005, 09:15
I find it's generally good for people who are put together right, and generally bad for those who aren't. It's like anything I suppose. Alcohol. Lottery tickets. Brtitney Spears concerts. It preys on the weak, and makes them more foolish than they would otherwise be.
hmmm... i disagree i think it empowers people to laugh and make fun but id does require a level of control have you ever tried it Gymoor
Gymoor II The Return
16-08-2005, 09:16
hmmm... i disagree i think it empowers people to laugh and make fun but id does require a level of control have you ever tried it Gymoor

Reread my first sentence please.
Helioterra
16-08-2005, 09:22
I find it's generally good for people who are put together right, and generally bad for those who aren't. It's like anything I suppose. Alcohol. Lottery tickets. Brtitney Spears concerts. It preys on the weak, and makes them more foolish than they would otherwise be.
Agreed.
Helioterra
16-08-2005, 09:29
personnally i see nothing wrong with it and i find it quite entertaining to smoke or eat, ive also found that most of those anti pot tv ads are lies and misrepresentations of the truth.....
I've also found that pro pot people are often just as much on denial.
Gartref
16-08-2005, 09:30
*Gartref hits his head with a shoe*

That was my skull!! I'm so wasted!
Gymoor II The Return
16-08-2005, 09:34
I've also found that pro pot people are often just as much on denial.

Nuh uh!
Helioterra
16-08-2005, 09:38
Nuh uh!
:D
Oddvilles
16-08-2005, 09:40
pot is bad for governments who want to control the way people live and do things. pot can be esily grown anywhere and so cannot be taxed so what will a givernment gain by allowing it :)
booze is much better for the economy. if someone smokes pot, they mellow out and dont contribute to anything except chocolate producers... but if you get drunk you contribute to the brewries, to the tax collectors and after u get in a fight and smash things, u contribute to hospitals and the health system that has to clean up after you... so...
Gartref
16-08-2005, 09:44
pot is bad for governments who want to control the way people live and do things. pot can be esily grown anywhere and so cannot be taxed so what will a givernment gain by allowing it :)
booze is much better for the economy. if someone smokes pot, they mellow out and dont contribute to anything except chocolate producers... but if you get drunk you contribute to the brewries, to the tax collectors and after u get in a fight and smash things, u contribute to hospitals and the health system that has to clean up after you... so...

I own stock in Frito Lay. Pot is good for the economy.
Ganjabis
16-08-2005, 09:52
pot is bad for governments who want to control the way people live and do things. pot can be esily grown anywhere and so cannot be taxed so what will a givernment gain by allowing it :)
booze is much better for the economy. if someone smokes pot, they mellow out and dont contribute to anything except chocolate producers... but if you get drunk you contribute to the brewries, to the tax collectors and after u get in a fight and smash things, u contribute to hospitals and the health system that has to clean up after you... so...

i think the government can tax it it may be hard but i think the could. Make it legal to posses and illegal to grow, and illegal to sell unless in a store. Divert all funds to catching pot heads to catching growers. Kind of equals it out. Also makes the war on drugs easier. I think the only reasons its illegal is becuase A) Republicans, B)Not everyone is for it, so it's hard to change it C) bush would have a relapse
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 09:53
Pot is a tool. In some hands, it can cause extrodinary creativity, empathy, and generate a relationship between groups of people that penetrates typical social boundaries.

In other hands, it can cause schizophrenia, laziness, anti-socialism, and a general feeling that the world owes you something.

I would like to live in a world where people were free to grow their own pot, but I would not like to live in a world where it was legalized, and marketed like alcohol.

There are numerous Bill Hicks quotes that are applicable here, but I can't be arsed posting them at the moment. However, in response to the question, I don't believe it is a friend or a foe, any more than say a chainsaw is a friend or foe. It's just something that human beings apply themselves to.
Keruvalia
16-08-2005, 09:55
Marijuana hates us for our freedoms.
Pure Metal
16-08-2005, 09:55
anybody got a link so i can see these anti-pot tv ads you lot have over there in the states?
yay for european liberalism
Oddvilles
16-08-2005, 09:57
i think the government can tax it it may be hard but i think the could. Make it legal to posses and illegal to grow, and illegal to sell unless in a store. Divert all funds to catching pot heads to catching growers. Kind of equals it out. Also makes the war on drugs easier. I think the only reasons its illegal is becuase A) Republicans, B)Not everyone is for it, so it's hard to change it C) bush would have a relapse


actually, the reason it's illegal has nothing to do with the entertainment value of marijuana. in the 1940's the US govenment promoted the growth of hemp as a source for fibers used to produce canvas (yes, cannabis and canvas are the same). some oil barons started producing synthetic fibers and hemp was too good a competitor, so they fought it on another battle field, riding on the wake of prohibition. if pot were made legal, the need for less law enforcers would more than compensate for taxes "lost". but of course the police doesnt want that to happen because then they'd lose power.
Monkeypimp
16-08-2005, 10:00
Like anything else, its fine in moderation. I really don't understand why its illegal still.
Quaraya
16-08-2005, 10:10
I agree that anti-drug campaigns often are too extreme or even untrue when warning about cannabis. Some campaigns are even dangerous when they make people think that pot is more dangerous than other hard drugs like alcohol, synthetic drugs (xtc,speed,ghb etc.) and heroin.
In my opinion, alcohol is probably the most dangerous drug there is!
Because, alcohol is legal (and VERY available),
it's directly toxic (THC in cannabis is not, eg. You can't overdose),
most drugs damage your health but alcohol is also very dangerous to innocent bystanders (Drunk drivers, violence etc. ).
The worst thing about alcohol is that while it impairs your nervous system it also make you feel like your "the king of the world". Most other drugs make you aware that you're not thinking straight thus making it less likely that you drive a car while intoxicated.

Cannabis have few such bad effects:
you cant OD,
it does not make you more agressive (In fact it calms most people down),
it makes you slightly dizzy and silly when used, but youre painfully aware that youre not in good shape, so a taking a ride with a car will feel quite scary and you won't probably drive faster than 20-30 kmph, which brobably'll get you pulled over if the police see you on the higway, but you're not likely to run over someone.

There is however a risk of dependancy for addictive personalities, and cannabis is NOT recomended if you have a mental illness or family history for mental illnesses.
Heavy and longterm use of cannabis have shown decrease in "pot-heads" intelligence and mental skills (probably because they don't "exercise" their mind, the same thing happends to some retired people who just sits in a chair "doing nothing": they doumb down and becomes demented sooner). SMOKING cannabis of couse have the same negative effects as tobacco smoking (It's not nicotine but the fact that one inhale smoke that case most health problems with smoking!).
Because of the paranoia canabis use can give it can make you more isolated which is not good for your mental health.

But after all if we must have at least one legal drug in the society it should NOT be alcohol, and cannabis is probably the best candidate.

( Is this a good answer? )
:)
PLCLand
16-08-2005, 10:13
No matter how I want to look at it, pot IS a gateway drug. It's a gateway to the world of crime. As of 5:10 am Eastern Standard Time Gold was worth $441 per ounce. $441 an ounce for great weed is commom at the street level. Anyone agree or disagree (on the gateway to crime, not your local prices) :rolleyes:
Xhadam
16-08-2005, 10:15
Marijuana is a plant, nothing more nothing less.

Is a tree good or evil? I can take a branch off of it and blugeon you to death. I can chop it down and use the wood to make a home for a man who would otherwise be left to the elements. It isn't the object that mgiht carry the moral value, it is what you do with it.
Gartref
16-08-2005, 10:16
Marijuana hates us for our freedoms.

Coffee just came out of my nose. Thanks. :D
Justin James
16-08-2005, 10:16
Drugs will never be outlawed in my country, simply regulated and taxed, as in any good marxist empire...
Pure Metal
16-08-2005, 10:18
I agree that anti-drug campaigns often are too extreme or even untrue when warning about cannabis. Some campaigns are even dangerous when they make people think that pot is more dangerous than other hard drugs like alcohol, synthetic drugs (xtc,speed,ghb etc.) and heroin.
In my opinion, alcohol is probably the most dangerous drug there is!
Because, alcohol is legal (and VERY available),
it's directly toxic (THC in cannabis is not, eg. You can't overdose),
most drugs damage your health but alcohol is also very dangerous to innocent bystanders (Drunk drivers, violence etc. ).
The worst thing about alcohol is that while it impairs your nervous system it also make you feel like your "the king of the world". Most other drugs make you aware that you're not thinking straight thus making it less likely that you drive a car while intoxicated.

Cannabis have few such bad effects:
you cant OD,
it does not make you more agressive (In fact it calms most people down),
it makes you slightly dizzy and silly when used, but youre painfully aware that youre not in good shape, so a taking a ride with a car will feel quite scary and you won't probably drive faster than 20-30 kmph, which brobably'll get you pulled over if the police see you on the higway, but you're not likely to run over someone.

There is however a risk of dependancy for addictive personalities, and cannabis is NOT recomended if you have a mental illness or family history for mental illnesses.
Heavy and longterm use of cannabis have shown decrease in "pot-heads" intelligence and mental skills (probably because they don't "exercise" their mind, the same thing happends to some retired people who just sits in a chair "doing nothing": they doumb down and becomes demented sooner). SMOKING cannabis of couse have the same negative effects as tobacco smoking (It's not nicotine but the fact that one inhale smoke that case most health problems with smoking!).
Because of the paranoia canabis use can give it can make you more isolated which is not good for your mental health.

But after all if we must have at least one legal drug in the society it should NOT be alcohol, and cannabis is probably the best candidate.

( Is this a good answer? )
:)
very good post :)

but don't forget as alcohol's major negative point that it is highly addictive. marijuana is not physically addictive in the same was as booze is.

and in the positive secion for weed: it is a social drug that usually fosters (at least) warm feelings toward your fellow smokers, and pretty much everyone in general. and hence, as you touched on, while alcohol makes people violent, weed does the exact opposite.

then again with xtc the love you feel for other people is slightly more pronounced... :p
Oddvilles
16-08-2005, 10:18
No matter how I want to look at it, pot IS a gateway drug. It's a gateway to the world of crime. As of 5:10 am Eastern Standard Time Gold was worth $441 per ounce. $441 an ounce for great weed is commom at the street level. Anyone agree or disagree (on the gateway to crime, not your local prices) :rolleyes:


DUH
the only reason it's expensive is that it's illegal. the moment it is legalized, it will be about as expensive as parsley.
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 10:18
Its a gateway to crime, because its illegal. If I buy a pound of pot, I'm buying it off a guy who also sells amphetamines, and owns a handgun (which is highly illegal here), because he's already taking a huge risk selling amphetamines, and selling pot is just another source of income, with no major draw backs, considering the jailtime he's looking at for selling speed.

I can grow my own pot fairly easily. The gateway to crime theory only holds water as long as its illegal.
Keruvalia
16-08-2005, 10:19
Coffee just came out of my nose. Thanks. :D

Then my work here is done! Be sure to catch me in the bubble room at the historic Fountain Hotel on Saturday afternoon. I'm also available for weddings and bar mitzvahs!

Thank you thank you *bow* PEACE!
Helioterra
16-08-2005, 10:19
No matter how I want to look at it, pot IS a gateway drug. It's a gateway to the world of crime. As of 5:10 am Eastern Standard Time Gold was worth $441 per ounce. $441 an ounce for great weed is commom at the street level. Anyone agree or disagree (on the gateway to crime, not your local prices) :rolleyes:
I'm 100% sure water is a gateway to drugs and crimes. Every single druggie has drinked water.

Seriously, it has some effect. You have to know criminals to buy it. They may become your friends and friends are influential. If it was legalized, there wouldn't be such threats.
Gartref
16-08-2005, 10:20
For George Bush and Bill Clinton, Marijuana was the gateway to the Presidency. Disrespect the man, not the weed.
Helioterra
16-08-2005, 10:20
DUH
the only reason it's expensive is that it's illegal. the moment it is legalized, it will be about as expensive as parsley.
Oh yes, just like alcohol and cigarettes are. It would be heavily taxated.
Pure Metal
16-08-2005, 10:22
No matter how I want to look at it, pot IS a gateway drug. It's a gateway to the world of crime. As of 5:10 am Eastern Standard Time Gold was worth $441 per ounce. $441 an ounce for great weed is commom at the street level. Anyone agree or disagree (on the gateway to crime, not your local prices) :rolleyes:
that ounce better be fucking prime weed dude for that price :p

but yes, weed is a gateway drug because you have to buy it off dealers and pushers who are criminals and who can make more profit by selling you harder drugs instead... drugs you can actually get hooked on.
this problem would be removed if pot were legalised and the criminal element removed. just look at the netherlands - there marijuana is sold in shops and you just can't really buy it on the streets... the dangerous criminal link is broken



edit: but there's more to it than that. its a gateway drug because its usually the first drug people try and after finding out for themselves not only is it a) great, but b) doesn't turn you instantly into some kind of moron as per the propoganda, then you start to wonder if other drugs will be ok... and if that curiosity goes hand in hand with a dealer who wants to make more money out of you, there you go... on to other drugs.
Communist atlantis
16-08-2005, 10:26
No matter how I want to look at it, pot IS a gateway drug. It's a gateway to the world of crime. As of 5:10 am Eastern Standard Time Gold was worth $441 per ounce. $441 an ounce for great weed is commom at the street level. Anyone agree or disagree (on the gateway to crime, not your local prices) :rolleyes:

WTF $441 an ounce??? that is an insane price. its about $50 an ounce here(its done by mass not weight, so the fresher it is the more it can weigh
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 10:33
that ounce better be fucking prime weed dude for that price :p

but yes, weed is a gateway drug because you have to buy it off dealers and pushers who are criminals and who can make more profit by selling you harder drugs instead... drugs you can actually get hooked on.

but there's more to it than that. its a gateway drug because its usually the first drug people try and after finding out for themselves not only is it a) great, but b) doesn't turn you instantly into some kind of moron as per the propoganda, then you start to wonder if other drugs will be ok..

Quoted to reiterate three very good points that I wished I'd bothered to make myself.

If you remove the criminal element, and the sweeping generalizations of drug propaganada (which includes the self-fullfilling gateway drug theory), you remove most of the dangers of marijuana use.

Also, someone said earlier that weed isn't toxic. This isn't true, you can OD on weed, but you need to consume about a tonne and a half.

Good luck.
Oddvilles
16-08-2005, 10:35
Also, someone said earlier that weed isn't toxic. This isn't true, you can OD on weed, but you need to consume about a tonne and a half.

Good luck.

dude, like a ton or a tonne and a half is like... what is that at 441$ an ounce...
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 10:38
This is a government announcement.

Overdosing on Marijuana will Bankrupt the global economy. As a result of this, possesion of any marijuana with intent to overdose will be punished by death.

We now return you to your regular programming.
DELGRAD
16-08-2005, 10:43
in the 1940's the US govenment promoted the growth of hemp as a source for fibers used to produce canvas (yes, cannabis and canvas are the same).

Actually canvas was made from cannabis untill the 1930's, and canvas is as much cannabis in only that it is how the Dutch say cannabis.

you cant OD

you can OD, but not die from an OD. You would have to smoke more than is possible to die from it.

weed is a gateway drug because you have to buy it off dealers and pushers who are criminals and who can make more profit by selling you harder drugs instead

A gateway drug only because of misinformation.

I and no one I know have never had to buy pot from a dealer that sells anything more that pot. (I have not smoked for 9 years do to it being illegal :mad: ).

The true gateway drug is alchohol.
PLCLand
16-08-2005, 10:44
I'm all for decriminalzing millions of people, but if it were legal this afternoon and the government allowed for it to be sold in stores, It's still big crime people that have the crops, people in place, and the ability to get the product to the masses. Now if it were legal to have it, but illegal to sell, meaning you had to grow your own, I would say that thr crime element is gonna go away.

I think all that is keeping it from being somewhat legal now is a saliva test. If they could test the difference between smoking last week and smoking last hour, then I don't see what's holding up the Government (besides the republicans and religious right).

Oh yeah, don't forget folks that 1% of humans lack the ability to break-down cocaine and are doomed to death if they ever try it. Or the hundreds of chikldren who die from alcohol poisening each and every year. Pot is by far the safest. :fluffle:

Yeah but they guy who sells you your weed gets it from somebody that within two or more steps above you sells other stuff. all large time operations are just brookers, buy low and sell high :rolleyes:
Laenis
16-08-2005, 10:46
I never understood why the government doesn't legalise and tax cannabis. It has a hell of a lot less negative externalities than alchohol - has anyone ever had to go to hospital because they were beaten up by some stoners?

If they legalised and taxed it, they'd stop wasting police time so they can catch actual criminals, cut out a source of income for organised criminals and get a whole lot of money for effectively nothing - because it is legal it will inevitably be a lot cheaper to produce so no one will care if the government puts massive taxes on it. This money could be spent on ANYTHING to improve the country. Hell, you right wingers could use it to cut taxes for the oh so opressed rich who ONLY earn millions a year thanks to the greedy government if you wanted - whatever, in any case there are a whole lot of benefits and very few costs in legalisation.
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 10:48
I think all that is keeping it from being somewhat legal now is a saliva test. If they could test the difference between smoking last week and smoking last hour, then I don't see what's holding up the Government


Good point, there are problems, such as determining whether someone is stoned when they're driving, stopping people from turning up to work stoned, and things that apply to alcohol with ease, but are harder to apply to a drug, whose drug test is as vague and confusing as its users :P
DELGRAD
16-08-2005, 10:50
And if cannabis were to be legalized there are so many uses that the remainder of the plant could be used for. Paper (alot more paper can be made from an acre of cannabis than from trees), cloth and I don't know anymore off the top of my head.
PLCLand
16-08-2005, 10:51
WTF $441 an ounce??? that is an insane price. its about $50 an ounce here(its done by mass not weight, so the fresher it is the more it can weigh

I'm refering to seedless, weed grown from clones, 1 or 2 hit sticky sticky nugs shown in 'High Times'. 80-120 bucks a quarter is what you'll pay here in the states for that. They sell it by the gram in Amsterdam and Vancouver.
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 10:55
Still, I wouldn't expect to pay anything more than 400 bucks Australian (307 American) for an ounce of extremely fine, genetically excellent, seedless, well dried out weed, unless it was laced with rainbows.
Gretelville
16-08-2005, 10:55
I've found marijuna to be like any other drug. Should be illegal unless given in controlled amounts, and for reasons. Why?

I know three incredibly brilliant friends who have all been wrecked in one way or another by pot (one lost her artistic ability greatly, one's now being beaten by her bf and I don't know about the other). Not all these people had mental illnesses.

Mental health services are overworked in Australia and from what I can tell alot of the rest of the world as well. As most people don't realise or aren't getting treatment for their illness start smoking it and then their disease gets ALOT worse, overburdening the health system even more. Pot contains more tar then tabacco smokes making it more deadly to your lungs, although it does like the nicotine.

It's often mixed with alcohol, which has the effect of making people drunk alot quicker (also the people around those smoking pot too, due to passive smoking). I've nearly been raped at parties thanks to friends that were meant to be watching me not realising that I'd been near the pot smokers and was actually very drunk/high whatever you call it. Though I'm not going to get started on my opinion of excess alcohol.

I've seen people in fights and smashing things while high, nearly raped by guys high on pot... so the idea that you'll just sit down and eat, I don't really believe. So while I believe it is the users choice to do Pot they should face the consequences and in most cases I think that iit's generally a good thing that pot is illegal.

There's better things people can do with their lives then get high. Yes it's fun but so are many other things.
Laenis
16-08-2005, 10:56
£120 for an ounce of good stuff here, which is like $250. Oh, and Gretel they seem mainly to be very few problems when compared with the problems associated with alchohol - do you agree with the prohobition of alchohol? Or is that different? "It's not a drug, it's a drink!" ;)
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 11:04
Gretel, you have some good points, but I've found that the people who behave as you describe are typically the results of alcoholism, amphetamine addiction, or both, combined with pot use. The stoners, who do nothing more than smoke pot, are very rarely dangerous. The few I've met who do present a danger to people stoned, are those who pick fights with people, entirely sober, for some reason I cannot even begin to speculate on.

As for people losing their artistic ability due to pot, this can happen. I've known people who have been extrordinarily creative, to dedicate their lives to doing nothing but smoking pot. Luckily, in almost all cases, good friends have stepped in, and pointed this out, and the person was intelligent enough to realize their friends wanted to help them. In the few cases that this didn't happen, it has been upsetting to me.

This is still not a good reason for the illegality of pot (not that I'm saying you thought it was Gretel) but it is definatly an issue. I believe that when humanity is at a point where it can legalize pot without prejudice, that we will be able to support those who cannot integrate pot into the lives they had before they had their first toke.
Zagat
16-08-2005, 11:30
I know three incredibly brilliant friends who have all been wrecked in one way or another by pot (one lost her artistic ability greatly, one's now being beaten by her bf and I don't know about the other). Not all these people had mental illnesses.
You must be joking! Last year a young student part time worker (aka tax-payer) a law abiding citizen rang the police emergency number claiming that she believed she was in immediate danger and could they please come and help her. They sent a taxie because apparently they are under-resourced. No one has seen that young lady since. Meanwhile if I were to spot some idiot smoking a joint on his balcony and ring the police, they would be there quick smart to save him from his own idiocy. I suggest that taxpayers do not see stopping your friend from risking her creative abilities, whether or not she wants to be stopped as being their financial responsibility. Why should my tax money go to saving your friend's artistic abilities, it doesnt appear as though she cared much about them... :confused:

Mental health services are overworked in Australia and from what I can tell alot of the rest of the world as well. As most people don't realise or aren't getting treatment for their illness start smoking it and then their disease gets ALOT worse, overburdening the health system even more. Pot contains more tar then tabacco smokes making it more deadly to your lungs, although it does like the nicotine.
That seems like a good reason to stop spending money trying to force help on people who dont want help and wont help themselves, and start making the money available to people who actually do want help. We might have more money to identify and offer assistence to people who are ill (ie people who have not brought their problems on themselves by smoking drugs) if we didnt waste so many resources "helping" (apparently by criminalising and incarcerating) people who dont want help and apparently are not overly concerned about their health.

It's often mixed with alcohol, which has the effect of making people drunk alot quicker (also the people around those smoking pot too, due to passive smoking). I've nearly been raped at parties thanks to friends that were meant to be watching me not realising that I'd been near the pot smokers and was actually very drunk/high whatever you call it. Though I'm not going to get started on my opinion of excess alcohol.
If you choose to stand about near people who are smoking a drug, well really...perhaps you should pick your parties better. Is there some reason you expect my tax dollars to pay to protect you from standing somewhere....it actually is illegal, so being illegal clearly isnt protecting you from the very thing you are complaining about anyway...why should my money be wasted on chasing these idiots just so you can go to a party and stand too close to them while they smoke it? Really how does making it illegal solve this given it was illegal when this incident occured? Personal respsonsibility is a good thing.

I've seen people in fights and smashing things while high, nearly raped by guys high on pot... so the idea that you'll just sit down and eat, I don't really believe. So while I believe it is the users choice to do Pot they should face the consequences and in most cases I think that iit's generally a good thing that pot is illegal.
Why? Since you've seen all this occur when it was illegal its a bit silly to claim having it illegal will stop any of these things. People get in fights and smash things when they are not high. I have never yet heard a law enforcement person contradict the notion that stoned people are easier for them to deal with than drunk people and even than many sober people.

There's better things people can do with their lives then get high. Yes it's fun but so are many other things.
Well so what? There are better things to do than sit on your butt all day staring at tv, but I'll be blowed if I want my tax dollars wasted on saving people from doing that to themselves...

People need to take responsibility for themselves. Law enforcement agencies are overstretched and under resourced, they should be concentrating on protecting people from those who harm them or their property, not protecting people from harming themselves. If some fool wants to destroy their health, why should tax dollars be wasted on the rather dubious method of helping them not to by given them a criminal record and possibly incarcerating them (resulting in even greater resource waste)? In a choice between your friend's creative abilities which she willing jeopardised, and Ariena Ashton's life, I'd pick to save Ariena, sorry your friend can just save her own abilities, or not...
Cana2
16-08-2005, 11:30
I find it's generally good for people who are put together right, and generally bad for those who aren't. It's like anything I suppose. Alcohol. Lottery tickets. Brtitney Spears concerts. It preys on the weak, and makes them more foolish than they would otherwise be.
My sister had a problem with Britney Spears concerts. She ended up spending eight years at the Betty Ford Clinic[/sarcasm]




actually, the reason it's illegal has nothing to do with the entertainment value of marijuana. in the 1940's the US govenment promoted the growth of hemp as a source for fibers used to produce canvas (yes, cannabis and canvas are the same). some oil barons started producing synthetic fibers and hemp was too good a competitor, so they fought it on another battle field, riding on the wake of prohibition. if pot were made legal, the need for less law enforcers would more than compensate for taxes "lost". but of course the police doesnt want that to happen because then they'd lose power.Nah. Chris Rock was right when he said pot is illegal because then a black person could become wealthy.

Pot inderectly helps people in school. Most ofl the kids that would be disturbing the class get high. They get paranoid about getting caught so the talk quietly with eachother. The classroom is quieter and student can consentrate on their work easier.
but don't forget as alcohol's major negative point that it is highly addictive. marijuana is not physically addictive in the same was as booze is.[/qutoe]Death is a withdrawl symptom of alcohol. Marijauna can't match that.
[quote=Pure Metal]but yes, weed is a gateway drug because you have to buy it off dealers and pushers who are criminals and who can make more profit by selling you harder drugs instead... drugs you can actually get hooked on.
this problem would be removed if pot were legalised and the criminal element removed. just look at the netherlands - there marijuana is sold in shops and you just can't really buy it on the streets... the dangerous criminal link is brokenAlso pushers and dealers like to lace(sp?) pot with a lil bit of haroine to make it more addictive so you will need more pot. Also you will have to go back to that same guy or someone else who laces with the same drug.
I never understood why the government doesn't legalise and tax cannabis. It has a hell of a lot less negative externalities than alchohol - has anyone ever had to go to hospital because they were beaten up by some stoners?You could be laughing so hard you stop breathing. Stoned people are really funny.
they'd stop wasting police time so they can catch actual criminalsThey don't even bother with arresting drug dealers here, and if they do they are held at the police station for only a couple hours. Marijauna makes up to much of the provinces economy. We grow lots, smuggle it into the USA, train people from China, Vietnam etc. in how to grow marijauna then tax them.
Pure Metal
16-08-2005, 11:36
It's often mixed with alcohol, which has the effect of making people drunk alot quicker (also the people around those smoking pot too, due to passive smoking).

BS. you cannot get high from passive smoking of weed unless the room is totally hotboxed... and even then its going to be nothing compared to actually smoking the stuff and being high for real :rolleyes:

but yes it does make you drunk quicker. its great :D

I've seen people in fights and smashing things while high, nearly raped by guys high on pot... so the idea that you'll just sit down and eat, I don't really believe.
again i have to say BS. they must have been on something else (or just incredibly violent by nature) because pot just does not do that to you. it just doesn't - thats not what the drug does. its a sedative for fucks sake! :rolleyes:

and all this shit about being nearly raped... i don't think its the pot, maybe its the people you hang around with :confused:
Pure Metal
16-08-2005, 11:48
Death is a withdrawl symptom of alcohol. Marijauna can't match that.
hell no. alcohol is addictive, wrecks families and destroys lives.
pot makes some people a bit apathetic if they smoke too much... pah!

Also pushers and dealers like to lace(sp?) pot with a lil bit of haroine to make it more addictive so you will need more pot. Also you will have to go back to that same guy or someone else who laces with the same drug.
You could be laughing so hard you stop breathing. Stoned people are really funny.
true... there's that PSP or something that its also laced with sometimes - fucks you up that does :eek:
thats why it should be legalised to allow for quality and healh/safety controls!
and why you should be allowed to grow your own - its the best way my friends :P
Cana2
16-08-2005, 12:03
hell no. alcohol is addictive, wrecks families and destroys lives.
pot makes some people a bit apathetic if they smoke too much... pah!
This may be cause it is 4 am but I'm confused. I gave an example of how alcohol is worse than pot (the source BTW is a panflet made by the Government of British Columbia). Then you say "no alcohol is worse than pot". What did I miss?
Pure Metal
16-08-2005, 12:06
This may be cause it is 4 am but I'm confused. I gave an example of how alcohol is worse than pot (the source BTW is a panflet made by the Government of British Columbia). Then you say "no alcohol is worse than pot". What did I miss?
i was agreeing with you... as in you say "...Marijauna can't match that" and i agrree by saying "Hell no [it can't]!"

don't worry 'bout it :)
Men In Silly Hats
16-08-2005, 12:27
If I ever got pot laced with any hard drug, I'd never buy from that dealer again. And don't tell me you can't really tell. When you get a nice buzz, and feel kinda mellow, thats pot. When you fall to the goddamned ground and grip it like hell, because you're afraid you're going to spiral off into space, thats laced with smack. When you can't sit still and chill out bceause your damn teeth are chattering, thats laced with speed. And you can't really get addicted to either of these drugs through smoking pot laced with them.

I've never had the desire to shoot up smack or speed as a result of the few times I've bought pot laced with them, and I have a highly addictive personality.
Undelia
16-08-2005, 13:15
“Is Pot Good?”
No. It is a habit I find detestable.

Should it be legal?
Definitely.
Hemingsoft
16-08-2005, 13:17
Hey Hey Hey, is someone gonna pass the doobie or not!!!!

I've been fiending since Pure Metal passed the peace pipe yesterday.