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I believe in Jesus. I believe he was God in the flesh. I believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit being one, but im not fond of the andropomorphic names. I like to conceive of it as The Thinker, the Thought, and the Energy that turns thoughts into things. If God thinks it, then it is So.

That's why HE'S God.

(as a side note, i really have a philosophical problem even calling god by a third person singular pronoun, I also balk at making the distinction between male or female pronoun in that conjugation, but for the sake of common understanding i will use the term 'He/Him' just to keep the western reader on the right page in trying to understand my musings)

And you and i, and all the things of the Earth and the universe are thoughts of God made into flesh or air or stone. I think Jesus understood that..(although he either didnt explain it well., or didnt translate well, or most likely this kind of thing CAN'T be explained well, and thats why there's so many versions. So, by extension, if you think Godly thoughts, then your thoughts (prayers) will be answered because, well, God was thinking that already :) And if you quit thinking your own thoughts (pride, ego) for long enough to hear, and let God's thoughts BE your thoughts, then you have connected with the mainframe, glory, rapture, nirvana, satori, heaven, Christ.


I believe "Jesus" ("Buddha", "bodhisatva" etc.) walked among all peoples at one time or another, in one body or another. God has manifested "himself" everywhere to everyone at some time or another, in some form or another... I believe He was a burning bush once. He shows his face differently to different people, depending on what they need to see to believe. He knows how to reach you.

Cuz he's God.

I believe you will meet Jesus in your lifetime, at least once, through the Holy Spirit residing in them or in you.

Now, imagine...
WHat if you already MET Jesus somewhere. At your school, on the street...in the mall working at Starbucks?

How did you treat that person? What if that was your only chance? What if you were a total jerk? What if it was that guy that you totally FLAMED because he didn't agree with your limited version of the Truth?

As a person of no single religious background, and no affiliation with any particular faction, i have found that it is the extremists of any religious tradition who are the haters. The ones that see things only in the categories of right or wrong, black or white, infidel or believer.

To me, they are saying GOD ONLY HAD ONE THOUGHT. EVER. AND I KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

:O

God is so much bigger than that kind of petty small mindedness. It makes me so sad to think that some people believe that a loving, compassionate god would be so small and shallow as to exclude any of his creations for not having a capable enough mind to understand God himself.

Of course we don't understand the mind of God. We just get glimpses.

And chances...

to love another as ourselves.


My philosophy excludes no one from the Kingdom of God (for Atheists, substitute the words 'The Whole'), and that is what Jesus taught, that is what Muhammed taught, that is what Buddha taught. It is what the Dalai Lama teaches. I refuse to believe that God is smaller than ALL OF THE ABOVE

To love other as self because ALL is ONE. Some of the fundamentalists seem to be able to take the concept to a power of 3--Father, Son, Holy Ghost, but not to the power of infinity. Other fundamentalists get caught up in law and dogma/doctrine to the point of missing the point. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR... even if he's gay. even if he's muslim, even if she's a lawyer, even if he's asian, even if she's jewish, even if he's a tax collector, or that BIATCH that serves you your coffee at Starbucks or that war profiteer Dick Cheney... well you get my point.

The fundamentalists, i figure, are too scared to go to infinity. Or too egotistical to view themselves as that insignificant, and get lost along the way, clinging to dogma. It is more important for them to hold onto their pride/ego and insist on being right than to LOVE OTHER AS SELF

NO matter which religion you look at, the best of moral human society has revolved around the principle of the Golden Rule.


DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.


I know i have been all over the place in this little diatribe. But it's very hard to summarize God and the Universe in less than ten paragraphs ;)

I invite any and all comments as long as they are creations of your own. Please do not quote me anyone else's writing, no matter how holy you believe it is. I believe YOUR writing is holy and i can look the other stuff up any time i want.

I consider your original post to be a gift of creation. Your Thought becoming a Thing.

Thanks for listening, and to all who respond without venom.

I'd just like to ask: Why? Why do you believe this?

If there is some messianic keeper of the Truth travelling about, enlightening people, I sure hope he will stop by some day. So far, though, I haven't seen someone like that.

no, and yes

I'd just like to ask: Why? Why do you believe this?


Because of the mathematical concept of Infinity.

If the Universe is truly infinite (and we could debate if it is or not)...then not only is it POSSIBLE that all combinations of every type of atom and energy pulse all exist simultaneously, but it is a mathematical certainty.

I think that as evolved as we are as human beings, we are still tiny, relatively insignificant working parts of a much larger whole. Google the Hubble Space Telescope pictures and stare at those for a while, and either deny their existence, or realize how insignificant we are.

Now look at the tiny differences in human religions, compared to the Cosmos....what IN GOD'S NAME are these people fighting about?

If there is some messianic keeper of the Truth travelling about, enlightening people, I sure hope he will stop by some day. So far, though, I haven't seen someone like that.


but you could be that person to someone else. And any person could be that one.

ALL ONE. We are THey. Everyone you meet is YOU under different circumstances.

Piece by piece, you begin to get a picture of the Whole. But you only get to the WHOLE by including everyone.

Because of the mathematical concept of Infinity.

If the Universe is truly infinite, then it makes sense time is infinite, there is no beginning or end, and therefore no creation by a supreme being.

/off topic

If the Universe is truly infinite, then it makes sense time is infinite, there is no beginning or end, and therefore no creation by a supreme being.

/off topic

Only if it were a STATIC universe. It is not.

Creation is happening constantly. And even if you argue there is no Supreme Being, then humans and air and water and ants and radiation are constantly changing and creating new creations. The sum total of that would be the equivalent to the Vector of the Universe, (or Direction, if you prefer an intelligent design).

YOu see, anyone's version of God or the world fits into my model. All but exclusive, intolerant philosophies, those that would seek to split the WHole.

but you could be that person to someone else. And any person could be that one.

ALL ONE. We are THey. Everyone you meet is YOU under different circumstances.

Hmm I faintly recall something like this, somewhere along the road of life you will meet God and he can be anyone. As a test to your nature and to others.

So for that possibility of who is important or will hold a major enlightenment for you can either be the local priest or the drunk bum who lives on the street. Something along the lines of this is like be nice to everyone because you don't know who they are, but you will only be happy by helping others. Virtuous, you don't need a reason to help others. :)

Only if it were a STATIC universe. It is not.

Creation is happening constantly. And even if you argue there is no Supreme Being, then humans and air and water and ants and radiation are constantly changing and creating new creations. The sum total of that would be the equivalent to the Vector of the Universe, (or Direction, if you prefer an intelligent design).

YOu see, anyone's version of God or the world fits into my model. All but exclusive, intolerant philosophies, those that would seek to split the WHole.
But if time is infinite, then it has no beginning and no end. If God created everything, then he created time, and it has a beginning.. So time wouldn't be infinite. So God can't have created everything if time is infinite.

I believe in Jesus. I believe he was God in the flesh. I believe in the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit being one, but im not fond of the andropomorphic names. I like to conceive of it as The Thinker, the Thought, and the Energy that turns thoughts into things. If God thinks it, then it is So.

That's why HE'S God.

(as a side note, i really have a philosophical problem even calling god by a third person singular pronoun, I also balk at making the distinction between male or female pronoun in that conjugation, but for the sake of common understanding i will use the term 'He/Him' just to keep the western reader on the right page in trying to understand my musings)

And you and i, and all the things of the Earth and the universe are thoughts of God made into flesh or air or stone. I think Jesus understood that..(although he either didnt explain it well., or didnt translate well, or most likely this kind of thing CAN'T be explained well, and thats why there's so many versions. So, by extension, if you think Godly thoughts, then your thoughts (prayers) will be answered because, well, God was thinking that already :) And if you quit thinking your own thoughts (pride, ego) for long enough to hear, and let God's thoughts BE your thoughts, then you have connected with the mainframe, glory, rapture, nirvana, satori, heaven, Christ.


I believe "Jesus" ("Buddha", "bodhisatva" etc.) walked among all peoples at one time or another, in one body or another. God has manifested "himself" everywhere to everyone at some time or another, in some form or another... I believe He was a burning bush once. He shows his face differently to different people, depending on what they need to see to believe. He knows how to reach you.

Cuz he's God.

I believe you will meet Jesus in your lifetime, at least once, through the Holy Spirit residing in them or in you.

Now, imagine...
WHat if you already MET Jesus somewhere. At your school, on the street...in the mall working at Starbucks?

How did you treat that person? What if that was your only chance? What if you were a total jerk? What if it was that guy that you totally FLAMED because he didn't agree with your limited version of the Truth?

As a person of no single religious background, and no affiliation with any particular faction, i have found that it is the extremists of any religious tradition who are the haters. The ones that see things only in the categories of right or wrong, black or white, infidel or believer.

To me, they are saying GOD ONLY HAD ONE THOUGHT. EVER. AND I KNOW WHAT IT WAS.

:O

God is so much bigger than that kind of petty small mindedness. It makes me so sad to think that some people believe that a loving, compassionate god would be so small and shallow as to exclude any of his creations for not having a capable enough mind to understand God himself.

Of course we don't understand the mind of God. We just get glimpses.

And chances...

to love another as ourselves.


My philosophy excludes no one from the Kingdom of God (for Atheists, substitute the words 'The Whole'), and that is what Jesus taught, that is what Muhammed taught, that is what Buddha taught. It is what the Dalai Lama teaches. I refuse to believe that God is smaller than ALL OF THE ABOVE

To love other as self because ALL is ONE. Some of the fundamentalists seem to be able to take the concept to a power of 3--Father, Son, Holy Ghost, but not to the power of infinity. Other fundamentalists get caught up in law and dogma/doctrine to the point of missing the point. LOVE THY NEIGHBOR... even if he's gay. even if he's muslim, even if she's a lawyer, even if he's asian, even if she's jewish, even if he's a tax collector, or that BIATCH that serves you your coffee at Starbucks or that war profiteer Dick Cheney... well you get my point.

The fundamentalists, i figure, are too scared to go to infinity. Or too egotistical to view themselves as that insignificant, and get lost along the way, clinging to dogma. It is more important for them to hold onto their pride/ego and insist on being right than to LOVE OTHER AS SELF

NO matter which religion you look at, the best of moral human society has revolved around the principle of the Golden Rule.


DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.


I know i have been all over the place in this little diatribe. But it's very hard to summarize God and the Universe in less than ten paragraphs ;)

I invite any and all comments as long as they are creations of your own. Please do not quote me anyone else's writing, no matter how holy you believe it is. I believe YOUR writing is holy and i can look the other stuff up any time i want.

I consider your original post to be a gift of creation. Your Thought becoming a Thing.

Thanks for listening, and to all who respond without venom.

Hmm intresting......Similar to what the Bah'ai faith was originally was until it became fundmentalistic.(It's has become more anti-woman and anti-gay) I'm personally a Buddhist but I believe all religions have credencce. Fundmentalism(Islam, Christianity, Hindu etc..) is what turns religions into a force of hate and destruction. The current two major religions (Islam & Christanity) are moving towards a major crucible. Fundmentalist Islam right now is based on anti-westernism, socialism, and fear of globilized(NWO) world. Fundemntalist Christianity is based on the opposite, which is on Globilization and free-market capitalism . The Capitalist-Christian system is a front to what many in Islam see as a pirayah system which the rich dominate over the poor. They also see it as a form of the Zionism.

[QUOTE=Tropical Montana]
Now, imagine...
WHat if you already MET Jesus somewhere. At your school, on the street...in the mall working at Starbucks?

thats kind of funny cuz one of my best friends looks just like Jesus.

But if time is infinite, then it has no beginning and no end. If God created everything, then he created time, and it has a beginning.. So time wouldn't be infinite. So God can't have created everything if time is infinite.


I do NOT believe time is infinite.

I believe Time is a construct that certain organisms have a sense of. A dimension we can understand. Did you know that ants only can comprehend two physical dimensions? They don't know when they have turned a vertical corner.

If there are more dimensions than the three 'physical' dimensions and Time, then we just are human ants that don't know when we are moving in the other dimensions. Some 'clairvoyants' and other mystics actually probably do operate in other dimensions. Most of us are not capable or even willing.


As to God not being able to create it all, I AGREE. We add to that creation, as does every other existing thing that can also think.

Thoughts become Things. Not only God has Thoughts. and as small of energy as our thoughts contain, if we add them up enough with other people's thoughts, they can condense into reality. We have seen that in action here in NS. Creation begets creation. Ad INfinitum

I do NOT believe time is infinite.

I believe Time is a construct that certain organisms have a sense of.
You're right, our idea of seconds, minutes etc. is just a measuring device for the passing of time. But whether you have a sense of it or not, time still passes, the sun rises and sets, people grow old and die, the earth changes. Whether you have a concept of time in the way we do or not, it still passes.

And if time isn't infinite, then the Universe can't be infinite...it has to end somewhere, when and where time runs out.

But, on the other hand, if the Universe is infinite, then time itself is infinite, and there is no beginning or end, and no creation (in the sense that it all started at one point)

Right now, I'm not subscribing to either view, just throwing a few ideas about.

You're right, our idea of seconds, minutes etc. is just a measuring device for the passing of time. But whether you have a sense of it or not, time still passes, the sun rises and sets, people grow old and die, the earth changes. Whether you have a concept of time in the way we do or not, it still passes.

And if time isn't infinite, then the Universe can't be infinite...it has to end somewhere, when and where time runs out.

But, on the other hand, if the Universe is infinite, then time itself is infinite, and there is no beginning or end, and no creation (in the sense that it all started at one point)

Right now, I'm not subscribing to either view, just throwing a few ideas about.


I see Time as a measurement of Change. The one thing that remains constant is Change. so yes, TIme, in this case would be infinite. But you are thinking linearly with time...beginning and ending. that's two dimensions. YOu can't reduce time to two dimensions, when it is the fourth dimension to begin with.

The Hopi's considered time as circular

I see it as expanding...

...and contracting

All at the same Time

Your perception of Time is relative to the movement of the things around you.

I see Time as a measurement of Change. The one thing that remains constant is Change. so yes, TIme, in this case would be infinite. But you are thinking linearly with time...beginning and ending. that's two dimensions. YOu can't reduce time to two dimensions, when it is the fourth dimension to begin with.

The Hopi's considered time as circular

I see it as expanding...

...and contracting

All at the same Time

Your perception of Time is relative to the movement of the things around you.

Fascinating. But you have no evidence that time does or can do anything OTHER than move forward at the rate of sixty seconds per minute. Therefore, it would be impossible for the universe to have existed for an infinite amount of time, because an infinite distance cannot be progressed at a finite rate of movement. Besides, even if you allowed that time has a beginning but no end, then you cannot say that there HAS BEEN a god, much less a creator, but only that there will be (a god, not a creator).

I believe you will meet Jesus in your lifetime, at least once, through the Holy Spirit residing in them or in you.

I did .... he sent me to a mosque where I became Muslim.

I did .... he sent me to a mosque where I became Muslim.

ROFL

You never know who Jesus is going to be. That's why I always tip well, even if the service is mediocre.

i am a beliver in string theory hard to explain here is a link look at all the movies and your head will spin....on thing it says though is that there are more than 3 dementions and that paralelle dementions and wormholes could exsist. Really complicated stuff.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html three hours worth of movies.

Fascinating. But you have no evidence that time does or can do anything OTHER than move forward at the rate of sixty seconds per minute. Therefore, it would be impossible for the universe to have existed for an infinite amount of time, because an infinite distance cannot be progressed at a finite rate of movement. Besides, even if you allowed that time has a beginning but no end, then you cannot say that there HAS BEEN a god, much less a creator, but only that there will be (a god, not a creator).



Time goes on until something great stops it.time always goes forward and why should it stop.

I believe He was a burning bush once.

No offense, but if you came up to me on the street and told me you just saw Jesus in a burning bush I'd more than likely think you'd have to be smoking crack. :rolleyes: :p :D

Other than that, a very interesting and rather enlightening philosophy. I did find myself thinking however, if we are the sum of God's (or whatever) thoughts then who was it that thought up God?

Fascinating. But you have no evidence that time does or can do anything OTHER than move forward at the rate of sixty seconds per minute. Therefore, it would be impossible for the universe to have existed for an infinite amount of time, because an infinite distance cannot be progressed at a finite rate of movement. Besides, even if you allowed that time has a beginning but no end, then you cannot say that there HAS BEEN a god, much less a creator, but only that there will be (a god, not a creator).
Ah, but if it is finite then there has to be a beginning and an end. But time could only stop progressing when the Universe stops existing, so for time to be finite the Universe has to have a beginning and an end, but that would not necessarily be any proof of a creation, just that it started sometime and it will end sometime.

I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this.

This title is deceptive, I bumped into Jesus at the petrol station today and here I believed that I was going to get to talk about it. :(

Time goes on until something great stops it.time always goes forward and why should it stop.

Read my post. I never said that it would.

Ah, but if it is finite then there has to be a beginning and an end. But time could only stop progressing when the Universe stops existing, so for time to be finite the Universe has to have a beginning and an end, but that would not necessarily be any proof of a creation, just that it started sometime and it will end sometime.

I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this.

Not necessarily ... imagine if you started counting at 0 and never stopped. From 0 -> infinity is an infinite distance. It may be only half as large as -infinity -> infinity, but it is still infinite (if that makes any sense). So time could have a finite beginning but an infinite existence. Which is the only possible alternative to it being finite.

[QUOTE=Tropical Montana]
Now, imagine...
WHat if you already MET Jesus somewhere. At your school, on the street...in the mall working at Starbucks?

thats kind of funny cuz one of my best friends looks just like Jesus.
how can you possibly say what Jesus looks like?
unless of course he looks like an isrealite from 2000 years ago;

The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. The religion which based on experience, which refuses dogmatic. If there's any religion that would cope the scientific needs it will be Buddhism.