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THERE IS NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!

http://www.masada2000.org/been-had.html

Let's play game called let's pretend...
Let's pretend you're a Romanian in your home. Now I come to your house give you ten minutes to get out. If you don't I kill you and anyone with you. Ok, so you leave, now why do you not have any rights? Because you're Romainian and they were a group of nomads originally from India...Does that seem ok to you? and the Bedouwin managed to live in the deserts for 1000's of yours so don't tell me they just got there...

THERE IS NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!

http://www.masada2000.org/been-had.html

I hit on the link and got this...

...is denied access to the following web site:

www.masada2000.org

The web site has been categorized as Hate

I bet it was a good, unbiased source tho...

Personally I think both sides are whack.

This whole argument is a load of crap. There have been Arabs living in this area for centuries. It was always under the control of some other country, but that's not the point. The point is that Israel is a religious state and the Arabs there are treated like second class citzens, so they want their own country. Sorta like the jews did after WWII.

i realize the complicated nature of the issue, and I know that the Palestinians have not typically been the most reasonable people about the issue, and I understand why Israel doesn't want to give up this land. But trying to oversimplify this with "Palestine was never a country therefore they have no rights" is a load of crap.

there are palestinians

they have become a people because of all the crap thats been thrown at them through the years

in the past they used to be many different groups like all the other countries in the middle east (notice how most of them have straight borders) because they were cut up by the western powers with no care as to whether the borders make sense on the ground.

How hilariously simplistic.

THERE IS NO PALESTINIAN PEOPLE!

http://www.masada2000.org/been-had.html

LOL, might I suggest you actually read up on your history of the area now known as Palestine and Israel, and get it from a book or website not written with the intent to disseminate propaganda and hate.
As a matter of fact, the area given by the Jews to live in by the British after WWII has belonged to semitic (that includes both arabs and jews) and nomadic peoples for centuries. In fact, before this gift of land by the British (which arguably they had no right to give) jews, christians and muslims lived together in relative harmony in palestine, including in jerusalem.
I suspect you will continue to believe what you want to believe, but it is a great pity that you and others like you continue to propagate hate and controversy and lies, which only make the situation more difficult.

What's even more funny, in a way, is that (if your a christian or read it) the Bible refers to a Palastine. I don't know if it was a "region" like the site says, but whatever. When a book like the Bible refers to a place, kinda hard to think of it as not a state or a nation.

Did you know Belgium is not a real country? It says so on a website!

http://zapatopi.net/belgium/

Dang, if there's no such thing as a Palestinian people, is there such a thing as an American people?

(That set aside, I like the song :D )

yeah but the cia thought that britain had been given it's inderpendance in the 1860's (all I want to know is from who) so you shouldn't believe everything you read (belgium is a real country my country went to war (supposedly) in 1914 because we had guarenteed belgiums right to exist)

What's even more funny, in a way, is that (if your a christian or read it) the Bible refers to a Palastine. I don't know if it was a "region" like the site says, but whatever. When a book like the Bible refers to a place, kinda hard to think of it as not a state or a nation.
That is only a matter of translation. Palestine was a name given to the region by the Romans to mock the conquered Israelis.
Having said that, I personally support Israel in the conflict, but I see no reason for the US to get involved.

Yorkshire should be a separate country!

(belgium is a real country my country went to war (supposedly) in 1914 because we had guarenteed belgiums right to exist)
Belgium is not a real country!!!!
(just read the site :p )

Let's play game called let's pretend...
Let's pretend you're a Romanian in your home. Now I come to your house give you ten minutes to get out. If you don't I kill you and anyone with you. Ok, so you leave, now why do you not have any rights? Because you're Romainian and they were a group of nomads originally from India...Does that seem ok to you? and the Bedouwin managed to live in the deserts for 1000's of yours so don't tell me they just got there...
Not a particularly apt comparison. Let's see if we can't clear this up a bit. You are part of a group of people under a failed empire. Another group of people, who you disagree vehemently with on religious matters has been buying quite a bit of land in the general area. This continues on for a while when the "Great War" occurs. During the war a Brit comes along and spreads some agitprop and promises he doesn't have the authority to keep so that people of the same descent as you will fight against the empire in order to hurt Germany. The failed empire you live under collapses, throwing the area in turmoil. The group continues to buy land in the area and brokers a deal with the brits. By the end of the war there are about 50,000 of this group living in the area compared to a couple hundred thou of your own people, who are culturally indistinguishable from people in the upper Trans-Jordan area. At this point, a busybody council from out west that was on the winning side(the side opposite of the failed empire you lived under) comes out and gives a mandate of what is to happen to the land. Things stay much the way they are until WWII breaks out. The brits, in return for support from your side, stop immigration of said religious sect while they are being slaughtered and so leave them one less place to flee to. Two years after the war there is a massive influx of people as the mandate is lifted, bringing the religious sect that you vehemently disagree with and think is vastly inferior to your own religion and should have to pay a tax and live under a seperate set of laws than you to a total of around 600,000 people. At this point, the spiritual successor of the busybody council that started this mess in 1922 steps back in. Your side rejects the council's plan and launches a low-scale guerilla war. A year later the State of Israel is born. This pisses all of the people in the region who share your religious beliefs off. They promise you that they will exterminate the dirty evil heretics and give you back the land if you get out of the way during the war. Many of you do. The plan backfires badly, and they claim a bunch of territory. You have now been forced off of the land you were on if you were beguiled by promises from the surrounding countries. If you stayed, there was animosity toward you but you were not all slaughtered and for the most part you went on with your life. In the following decades 2 things happen. The surrounding arab countries who so exulted brotherhood before the war refuse to allow you to assimilate into their countries, forcing you to live in refugee camps for your entire life. The reason for this is that they hope to put pressure on Israel and try to make it seem as if they are the barbarians for relegating you to the conditions that you are currently living in. Another 600,000 jews from the surrounding area move into Israel. Things heat up again, leading to the six day war in which the people of your religion get their asses kicked, pure and simple. This leads to the current situation.

That is only a matter of translation. Palestine was a name given to the region by the Romans to mock the conquered Israelis.
Having said that, I personally support Israel in the conflict, but I see no reason for the US to get involved.
At this point, if we don't stay involved that area will end up making Rwanda and Darfur look like a cakewalk.

I think the point is that Palestinians are as much a separate people from other Arabs as Virginians or New Yorkers or Alaskans are as much a separate people from other Americans. It's simply where they live, not who they are. I live in Illinois, but I am American. The Palestinians don't have any cultural, ethnic, or religious differences that set them apart from the other Arabs in the Middle East. If you really want to support ethnic peoples homelands, let's start with the Kurds in northern Iraq. They have a much stronger claim to their land than the Palestinians do.

At this point, if we don't stay involved that area will end up making Rwanda and Darfur look like a cakewalk.

Indeed.

ooh loving the music from the site (oh yes and Palestine should exist)

I think the point is that Palestinians are as much a separate people from other Arabs as Virginians or New Yorkers or Alaskans are as much a separate people from other Americans. It's simply where they live, not who they are. I live in Illinois, but I am American. The Palestinians don't have any cultural, ethnic, or religious differences that set them apart from the other Arabs in the Middle East. If you really want to support ethnic peoples homelands, let's start with the Kurds in northern Iraq. They have a much stronger claim to their land than the Palestinians do.
At they beginning, they were indistinguishable culturally from the people now known as the Jordanians. It is only because of the surrounding arabs countries refusal to accept refugees that they have evolved into a different culture, one now based largely on hate.

At they beginning, they were indistinguishable culturally from the people now known as the Jordanians. It is only because of the surrounding arabs countries refusal to accept refugees that they have evolved into a different culture, one now based largely on hate.

While this is true, it shouldn't be the Israeli Jews that suffer the loss of their own homeland because neighboring nations refused to accept their own people as refugees. Israel has also allowed Palestinians to continue to live within its borders, and the majority lead normal, peaceful lives as Israeli citizens.