NationStates Jolt Archive

We fine them!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/15/atlanta.panhandling.ap/index.html

The proposed resolution would make it illegal to beg for money near downtown hotels or tourist sites. On a third offense, beggars could be jailed or fined.

Hey genius, how do you think they'll get the money to pay the fine?? Begging maybe??!?!

Seriously, I live in Atlanta, and the homeless people here are actually often much more polite about it than I have seen in other cities. And it really isn't like you can't walk down the street without interacting with them if you simply don't want to.

Stupid legislation. Laws against panhandling are rediculous. Fining them, more so. If you don't want to give them money and they berate you for it, or don't knock it off, have them charged with harrassment or disturbing the peace.

I can hear it now, "Shit. They outlawed begging. Now I'm gonna have to start mugging for my money". :rolleyes:

I understand hotels and things not wanting them right there in people's faces, but they could simply get trespassing or harassments yes. What happens when they so obviously don't pay the fines? Jeez...prolly go psycho and start just shooting up everything out of frustration! awesome

This reminds me of my friend who went down to New Jersey to play his guitar and try to make some $. He got stuck cuz he couldn't afford gas to get home and the police kept giving him parking tickets...it was like come on guys what do you want him to do?

Them not being able to pay a fine is simply an excuse for police to arrest them and get them out of the way. It's just another crime in the anti-homelessness warfighter's arsenal, another tool toward the same end: imprison all homeless people! Yeah! That'll solve poverty!

Them not being able to pay a fine is simply an excuse for police to arrest them and get them out of the way. It's just another crime in the anti-homelessness warfighter's arsenal, another tool toward the same end: imprison all homeless people! Yeah! That'll solve poverty!
That's basically what I'm suspecting. This is just an easy way to artificially boost a city's image.
"Look, we have no homelessness in our city!"
No sir, you just chased them out of town or charged them with vicitmless crimes and jailed them. :rolleyes:

Shame on any city that would enact this type of bogus legislation.

That's basically what I'm suspecting. This is just an easy way to artificially boost a city's image.
"Look, we have no homelessness in our city!"
No sir, you just chased them out of town or charged them with vicitmless crimes and jailed them. :rolleyes:

Shame on any city that would enact this type of bogus legislation.

Well, we are talking about the same city who knocked down the projects, put all the homeless people on buses, shipped them out to the suburbs and dropped them off (still with nothing) to get them out of the way for the 1996 summer olympics. =(

These guys need help, not moronic laws made against them.

Why stop there? Let's ban fish from water if they get wet! Makes about as much sense!

Seriously, I live in Atlanta, and the homeless people here are actually often much more polite about it than I have seen in other cities. And it really isn't like you can't walk down the street without interacting with them if you simply don't want to.


i was just there, and i felt so damn bad, i mean my selfish aunt jsut drove right by, it pissed me off...

We fine them!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/15/atlanta.panhandling.ap/index.html

Hey genius, how do you think they'll get the money to pay the fine?? Begging maybe??!?!

Seriously, I live in Atlanta, and the homeless people here are actually often much more polite about it than I have seen in other cities. And it really isn't like you can't walk down the street without interacting with them if you simply don't want to.
Make being poor illegal! If you are accused and found guilty of being poor, they have to buy you a big house ( with swimmingpool ) and a Mercedes, and put $25,000 into a bank account in your name. That should do it! :D

A lot of them are obviously mentally ill and should be institutionalized... just not the same institution that the cities are putting them in. The fact that people in that state are running around the streets instead of recieving help is yet another good argument for a national healthcare system.

Make being poor illegal! If you are accused and found guilty of being poor, they have to buy you a big house ( with swimmingpool ) and a Mercedes, and put $25,000 into a bank account in your name. That should do it! :D

Eutrusca for President of The United States of America!

We fine them!

There is an old saying which goes something like: 'You can't catch a naked man by his pockets'.

Well, at least in jail, they'll get three meals a day and shelter. :p

We fine them!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/15/atlanta.panhandling.ap/index.html



Hey genius, how do you think they'll get the money to pay the fine?? Begging maybe??!?!

Seriously, I live in Atlanta, and the homeless people here are actually often much more polite about it than I have seen in other cities. And it really isn't like you can't walk down the street without interacting with them if you simply don't want to.
god that is stupid lol

Well, at least in jail, they'll get three meals a day and shelter. :p

And if they would rather die then they should and decrease the surplus population!

There is an old saying which goes something like: 'You can't catch a naked man by his pockets'.
No but if it is a naked "man" I am sure I could find another hand hold :p

No but if it is a naked "man" I am sure I could find another hand hold :p

Punishing criminals by making them pay off their debt through sexual favours? I'm not immediately taken by the idea.

Make being poor illegal! If you are accused and found guilty of being poor, they have to buy you a big house ( with swimmingpool ) and a Mercedes, and put $25,000 into a bank account in your name. That should do it! :D
yay!

Punishing criminals by making them pay off their debt through sexual favours? I'm not immediately taken by the idea.
I was thinking more of the aprehension lol

I was thinking more of the aprehension lol

Hey, if you want to be seen chasing naked men down the street and trying to grab them by the ghoulies, then that's your look out. I reckon I'll stay at home instead.

Make being poor illegal! If you are accused and found guilty of being poor, they have to buy you a big house ( with swimmingpool ) and a Mercedes, and put $25,000 into a bank account in your name. That should do it! :D

Why Eut, finally you've said something I agree with. ;) Hehe.

Punishing criminals by making them pay off their debt through sexual favours? I'm not immediately taken by the idea.
You, bon ami, are a genius. The government could start pimping the homeless, the homeless get money, the government gets money, and it helps put thugs (those not with government sanction, mind) out of business.
BRILLIANT!!!

outlawing begging is simply impossible.
you can't just make the needy not need

These guys need help, not moronic laws made against them.

Why stop there? Let's ban fish from water if they get wet! Makes about as much sense!

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully."

You, bon ami, are a genius. The government could start pimping the homeless, the homeless get money, the government gets money, and it helps put thugs (those not with government sanction, mind) out of business.
BRILLIANT!!!

Hey, we could call them 'Joy Divisions'! Fantastic!

Frankly, while I'm sure that there people begging who are really down on their luck and need help, for way too many of them this is a lifestyle. It pays better than minimum wage and you don't have to stay sober. I don't really see why we should have to tolerate being hassled by drunks, drug addicts and nutcases on the streets.

Frankly, while I'm sure that there people begging who are really down on their luck and need help, for way too many of them this is a lifestyle. It pays better than minimum wage and you don't have to stay sober. I don't really see why we should have to tolerate being hassled by drunks, drug addicts and nutcases on the streets.

You don't have to tolerate being hassled. If someone won't leave you alone when you ask them to, you call the cops and have them arrested for harrassment.

That doesn't mean that you put a homeless person in jail for asking for some money or a sandwich, however.

A lot of them are obviously mentally ill and should be institutionalized... just not the same institution that the cities are putting them in. The fact that people in that state are running around the streets instead of recieving help is yet another good argument for a national healthcare system.

that's a terrible idea. our unemployment rate would likely double, which would lower production, increases prices, and decrease value (assuming quality remains the same, rising prices = lower value).

as it stands, one reason to work is that the vast majority of jobs offer available health care as a benefit. take away that incentive and watch people (some, anyway) just stay home with their food stamps and free health care.

look at european unemployment rates.

I hereby declare all people caught panhandling be forced to appear on gameshows to try and win their freedom

I hereby declare all people caught panhandling be forced to appear on gameshows to try and win their freedom

lol, yeah, "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire"

Regis: Okay, Minnesota Slim, here's your first question for $100. Who was the president of the United states prior to Bill Clinton? Is it A, Abraham Lincoln; B, George H. W. Bush; C, Ulysses S. Grant; or D, Rumplestiltskin?

MN Slim: RUMPLESTILTSKIN!

on second thought, maybe that's not such a good idea


or Wheel of Fortune... it is MN Slim's chance to guess the puzzle and this is what he sees:

T*IST OF FATE

MN Slim: I want to solve, Pat! It's "Taste (Taist) of fate!"

Pat Sajak: Uh, (coughs - MORON!), sorry, that's not it.

Hey genius, how do you think they'll get the money to pay the fine?? Begging maybe??!?!
Well, the way it is in Germany, if you can't or don't pay a fine, you get jail time (measured in days, usually) instead. I suppose the fine is in case someone's heart melts and they decide to pay it for them...

We fine them!
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/15/atlanta.panhandling.ap/index.html



Hey genius, how do you think they'll get the money to pay the fine?? Begging maybe??!?!

Seriously, I live in Atlanta, and the homeless people here are actually often much more polite about it than I have seen in other cities. And it really isn't like you can't walk down the street without interacting with them if you simply don't want to.

The answer is simple. Take their shoes.

How do we punish someone with no money?

Answer: "Bailff! Whack his pee-pee! :eek: :D

(If you don't get it you're too young and/or not USian...)

that's a terrible idea. our unemployment rate would likely double, which would lower production, increases prices, and decrease value (assuming quality remains the same, rising prices = lower value).

as it stands, one reason to work is that the vast majority of jobs offer available health care as a benefit. take away that incentive and watch people (some, anyway) just stay home with their food stamps and free health care.

You are forgetting something very important - human pride and ambition. People, for the most part, don't want to be supported by the government, and they don't want to exist on the minimum. They want to move up.

My job doesn't provide healthcare, at least not directly. In fact, I was without health insurance for over a year. It doesn't keep me from doing it, however.

Answer: "Bailff! Whack his pee-pee! :eek: :D

(If you don't get it you're too young and/or not USian...)

I guess I'm too young.

Explain?

You are forgetting something very important - human pride and ambition. People, for the most part, don't want to be supported by the government, and they don't want to exist on the minimum. They want to move up.

My job doesn't provide healthcare, at least not directly. In fact, I was without health insurance for over a year. It doesn't keep me from doing it, however.

i know that... but some would take advantage of it. I didn't say all, or most, or half... just some. it might only be 5%, but if our current unemployment rate is around 5% and you add another 5% we're at 10% unemployment, which would approach what France and Germany enjoy today (i think).

I guess I'm too young. Explain?
Quote from Cheech & Chong's (IIRC) "Up in Smoke" cir. 1978.

"You are charged with sexually assaulting a 16 year old girl. How do you plead?"

"I plead insanity!"

"Insanity!?!"

"Insanity. I'm just crazy about that girl!"

"Bailiff, wack his pee-pee!"

I think that's it...

How about we conscript all the (US) homelesss into the army! We (the US) would have more soldiers than China, then! :)

Make being poor illegal! If you are accused and found guilty of being poor, they have to buy you a big house ( with swimmingpool ) and a Mercedes, and put $25,000 into a bank account in your name. That should do it! :D


Eutrusca, that is so distasteful. For shame. My city has the country's largest homeless population per-capita. Panhandling has helped the local population to actually give a damn about people other than themselves.

Though the humor is not a bad touch.

that's a terrible idea. our unemployment rate would likely double, which would lower production, increases prices, and decrease value (assuming quality remains the same, rising prices = lower value).

as it stands, one reason to work is that the vast majority of jobs offer available health care as a benefit. take away that incentive and watch people (some, anyway) just stay home with their food stamps and free health care.

look at european unemployment rates.


American joblessness rates are higher than they are in Europe, actually. Our unemployment status only goes out to someone who is looking for a job or hasn't found one within six months. Theirs covers everyone without a job.

i know that... but some would take advantage of it. I didn't say all, or most, or half... just some. it might only be 5%, but if our current unemployment rate is around 5% and you add another 5% we're at 10% unemployment, which would approach what France and Germany enjoy today (i think).


Once again, you'd be wrong. I'll find American jobless rates and tell you what's up.

http://www.timesizing.com/2uedefns.htm

this will point you in the right direction. Read the whole page.