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The title says it all.

That depends how good it is. You can't judge a poem by its length alone.

It about why I like her. I am confused and she make me unconfused.
I am sad and she make me happy.

If you're not Neruda, don't write poems for girls. ok, some like it, I hate it. Especially crappy, dark, wanna-be gothic poems.

Depends on the size of the pages...& the size of the writing! :p

It about why I like her. I am confused and she make me unconfused.
I am sad and she make me happy.
and you said it in 2 sentences. maybe 6 pages are too much long for explaining your feeling.

EDIT- although I am not poetic.

What kind of a girl are we talking about? ;)

6 pages is stalking and a restraining order.

Let's see the damn thing. Then we will tell you.

I scan so you can see and tell me if it too long.

'Is 100(ok, but I couldn't be arsed to count) pages too long for a poem about Jesus?'

I'd be inclined to say yes.

'So Paradise Lost is shit?'

Oh...

Telling us what's in your poem isn't good enough. Either link to it, or forget this whole thread: you can't possibly comment on a piece of art without being able to actually experience it.

Well, the Iliad is a couple of thousand pages long, and it's about a girl (technically, it's about a war fought over a girl, but that's just nitpicking, isn't it?)

:p

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It probably sounds really stupid.

Her name was changed to protect her identity.

I read the first page. I thought it sucked. Sorry.

It doesn't even rhyme, man! Gees...the kids of today...








[j/k, btw; before anyone thinks I was being serious]

Well, I read the lot- possibly the best piece of poetry I've ever read that includes the words 'Mr. Gutterslut', 'Iraq' and 'Cinemark'.

But hey, you pretty much answer yourself at the end- "I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks, I only care about what (Krista) thinks". If you really mean that, then go with it, and best of luck.

I'm not sure what you hope to achieve with that, but if I were you, I'd spend a little more time 'fine tuning' it.

Is this a joke, like, flamebait or something?

Is this a joke, like, flamebait or something?

How could rubbish poetry be flamebait?

Well, maybe I'm using the wrong term. But could it be that he's trying to provoke people into being nasty, in order to get them in trouble? I mean, for example, by saying this, I'm implying that his poetry is too awful to actually be real; that could be taken as a flame.

Well, maybe I'm using the wrong term. But could it be that he's trying to provoke people into being nasty, in order to get them in trouble? I mean, for example, by saying this, I'm implying that his poetry is too awful to actually be real; that could be taken as a flame.

I see. Makes sense. Since Whittier and Whittier- - were banned for trolling/flaming, maybe he wants flamebait added to the tally.

It about why I like her. I am confused and she make me unconfused.
I am sad and she make me happy.
Six pages is far too much if it is sappy one-liner cliches like that

Pfft, all that time and energy spent writing poetry would be used better on buying video cameras and stalking. :D

Don't give them to her. Keep the poetry for yourself, that's the wonderful thing about it, you don't care about how crappy it is.




Try writing something a bit shorter. Either that or just write a regular old letter.

Don't encourage him to write more!

Don't encourage him to write more!
I'm reminded of the whole torture tactic used by Vogons when they tell their poetry. :D

Not connecting it, of course.

Well, maybe I'm using the wrong term. But could it be that he's trying to provoke people into being nasty, in order to get them in trouble? I mean, for example, by saying this, I'm implying that his poetry is too awful to actually be real; that could be taken as a flame.

I doubt it, if only because I can't see anyone writing six pages of that stuff just to bait someone into insulting it.

if you said what you wanted to say and it took 6 pages then FINE.

keep it to yourself. its way too long to show her.

One question before answering: Is this about the same young lady about whom you were posting around this same time last year (IIRC)?

That depends how good it is. You can't judge a poem by its length alone.

Could not have said it better my friends

First of all, love poems these days tend to be shorter. Six pages is more of a small novella type poem. Whittier, might I suggest you just give the girl flowers, or some other thoughtful gift...? It's not good.

Yeah, and you should make your poem wittier so she has something to laugh at. (If anyone wants to offer me my own sitcom, I even think about it for less than six figures.)

I meant it to be just one page. But I had so much to say that it took 6. And even with 6 I still did not say everything I want to say.
This is what I am feeling. That why I write so much. I should tell her directly but I am not worthy to talk to her. Nor am I really worthy to be in her presence.

Did you know she cried because I stopped talking to her and was ignoring her? I did not know that until yesterday.
She saw me yesterday for the first time 4 months. And her pupils got really big. And she stayed close to where I was. It was an awkward feeling. Is that the word?
I wanted to say something but I was frozen and afraid. I had no appetite cause then I felt very very sad. So I leave. And I go to mall instead. To watch movie all alone for the over 100th time.
But I did manage to ask her how she was and she smiled like she was happy about something.
But me, I still very very bad. Maybe I just give it to her. Cause where I am going, I will likely, not return. But she does not know that. So maybe it best to tell her what I really really feel. Though it not very comfortable for me at all. Cause I feel like the whole world is staring at me and listening in. And I do not like that.

That's all lovely. I still think it needs some stylistic tweaking (notably the 'CtrlA, delete' device that has proved so effective for so many writers) before it enters into the pantheon of great romantic literature.

Your hand writing is bad but lol not the worst I've seen no offense

You spelled peice piece wrong in the second paragrath.

'Is 100(ok, but I couldn't be arsed to count) pages too long for a poem about Jesus?'

I'd be inclined to say yes.

'So Paradise Lost is shit?'

Oh...

Telling us what's in your poem isn't good enough. Either link to it, or forget this whole thread: you can't possibly comment on a piece of art without being able to actually experience it.
It has been ages since I read it, but didn't PL deal with Satan a bit more than Jesus?

Whittier, please don't give her the poem. Its reads more like a history of your entire encounter, cut into stanzas.

I'm not meaning to be discouraging, it just may not be well recieved.Try writing a letter to her or a shorter poem without so much detailed recounting, but just your feelings. Talking to her would also be a start to a real relationship that has substance to it as opposed to the worship-from-afar situatipon that's happening right now.

Best of luck.

Length isn't the issue. Dante wrote The Divine Comedy about a girl, and that thing is huge, so six pages is nothing.

But I look at the scale of things like that because I teach it and write it myself. Dropping a six page poem on a girl might, well, frighten her a touch. That's a daunting task to get through.

Length isn't the issue. Dante wrote The Divine Comedy about a girl, and that thing is huge, so six pages is nothing.

But I look at the scale of things like that because I teach it and write it myself. Dropping a six page poem on a girl might, well, frighten her a touch. That's a daunting task to get through.
yes it is.
How fortunate I have written her many letters. She liked those. I know cause she would always snatch them and then run off and read them on the other side of the room.

Whittier, please don't give her the poem. Its reads more like a history of your entire encounter, cut into stanzas.

I'm not meaning to be discouraging, it just may not be well recieved.Try writing a letter to her or a shorter poem without so much detailed recounting, but just your feelings. Talking to her would also be a start to a real relationship that has substance to it as opposed to the worship-from-afar situatipon that's happening right now.

Best of luck.
How do I make it shorter?

One question before answering: Is this about the same young lady about whom you were posting around this same time last year (IIRC)?
yes that one

How do I make it shorter?


Don't ramble on about her, but select a few points of her that amaze you, if you absolutely feel you must write.

Yes. 6 pages is too long about anything. Look what it did to Wilde.

Yes. 6 pages is too long about anything. Look what it did to Wilde.
who?

6 pages is stalking and a restraining order.Well I think it's a little short of litigation...but still damn creepy.

Pfft, all that time and energy spent writing poetry would be used better on buying video cameras and stalking. :D

oooook well you could do that or the poem has about 6 repetitions in it and if u cut it down you could get to like 2 pages.........
.....but hey thats only a gay guys view so what does it count for

:p

oooook well you could do that or the poem has about 6 repetitions in it and if u cut it down you could get to like 2 pages.........
.....but hey thats only a gay guys view so what does it count for

:p
repetitions? where?

No offense dude, but that “poem” is painful to read.

No offense dude, but that “poem” is painful to read.
Yeah didnt want to say it but I agree.

The title says it all.


Yes,

But how about you give it to her in installments?
Like if you can leave one section of it on her pillow, another in her car and so on? This is different but my Mom wrote a poem about me and we had a little 'treasure hunt' for it. granted I was 10 at the time but you could make it more age orientated and do it in a romantic way. :) :fluffle:

yes it is.
How fortunate I have written her many letters. She liked those. I know cause she would always snatch them and then run off and read them on the other side of the room.
Thats kinda weird, I mean you're right there.

It's a gauge, man. The chicks I know would be creeped out to all hell if I gave them a three line poem-six pages would ensure that I only saw them in public with six of thier guy friends present and perhaps an armed guard of some sort. But there are chicks that are totally into it. Depends on the recepient, and we can't get an accurate picture of her through your eyes, so we can't tell you.

Actually I didn't read the thread fully. Don't leave it in bits lying around the place. Perhaps give it to her with a letter?

While I'm still trying to get the link to work, nothing can be compared to the Illiad, well maybe the aneaid..I sing of arms and the man who first came from the shores of Troy...(leaving cert latin prose)

who?
Are you kidding me....

Sorry, but Im going to have to pull up a Radiohead quote here: "Sentimental always ends up drivel." It probably means a lot to you, and it probably felt good to write, and I really admire the courage you've shown in letting all of us cruel cynics read it, but lets face it, it'll probably scare her, and most of its not all that good. Its got no rhythm, or rhyme scheme...

You really use her name a lot... they say a persons name is the most comforting thing they can hear... but it doesnt make good poetry

What I would suggest is take some of the metaphors you liked most from it, and pack them into something solid. Poetry is putting the best words in their best order, and no word should be put in without being thought through. Maybe its a bit of a cliche, but hey, lets go for cliche over length: Id suggest you write a sonnet. But not just fourteen lines... Its more than that. Search for "Shakespearean sonnet form" on google or something.

Are you kidding me....
It is relatively obscure.

It is relatively obscure.
No it's not. I just asked my friends.

"The subject is poetry, I say Wilde. Who am I refering to?"

100% success rate. And you know who I am talking about to don't you.

Yes,

But how about you give it to her in installments?
Like if you can leave one section of it on her pillow, another in her car and so on? This is different but my Mom wrote a poem about me and we had a little 'treasure hunt' for it. granted I was 10 at the time but you could make it more age orientated and do it in a romantic way. :) :fluffle:
I don't have time. I am preparing to leave the country for a year. I am leaving in just a couple of weeks.

No it's not. I just asked my friends.

"The subject is poetry, I say Wilde. Who am I refering to?"

100% success rate. And you know who I am talking about to don't you.
Oh, I thought you meant something else. Oscar Wilde, obviously. Didn't know if you were referring to something that he had done...

I don't have much time. I need to say everything while I am still here to say it.

Oh, I thought you meant something else. Oscar Wilde, obviously.

Emphasis on 'obviously.'

I mean sure the guy might not understand the reference to the idea of Wilde's suffering which is conveyed especially in his poems in prison, but christ to me thats like not knowing "Poe". I mean even if your not interested in literacy works there icons, and I don't understand why someone with some sought of education wouldn't know them.

BTW I'm 17 and live in Australia, in case you wanted to say something about me being a mature reader lol

Just checked with a few more friends. I win.

Ain't that nice? A 49% likelihood that I won't come back from where I am going.

Sorry, Whitier, were we meant to have asked to where you were going, that you might not be coming back from? Good grief, you might not come back from the chemist, and thats just down the road.

Sorry, Whitier, were we meant to have asked to where you were going, that you might not be coming back from? Good grief, you might not come back from the chemist, and thats just down the road.
He probably took some pills and is about to off himself. Boring.

Sorry, Whitier, were we meant to have asked to where you were going, that you might not be coming back from? Good grief, you might not come back from the chemist, and thats just down the road.
Where I go, is half way around the world. And I am not allowed to say where I am going. I just know that I have to go do some paper work and pack stuff to put into storage and I had to go qualify last week.

He probably took some pills and is about to off himself. Boring.
there is no honor in that. Nor is there honor in quitting. That's why I still talked to her when a another person told me not to. Especially when she told me a week later she liked me and liked talking to me. (I was surprised cause no one ever tell me that)

If someone tells you to stop talking to someone or that someone does not want to associate with you, it is dishonorable to not find out from that person directly. Cause the dude that is telling you that crap might be trying to get in her pants and to do that he is telling you that stuff to get you out of the picture. I am not listening to what others say anymore. I learned that lesson. I am only listening to what she says. Cause last time I listened to someone who said she didn't want anything to do with me, she ended up crying cause I didn't talk to her or acknowledge her. I think people are malicious.
My greatest mistake: listening to what some third party person said.

Where I go, is half way around the world. And I am not allowed to say where I am going. I just know that I have to go do some paper work and pack stuff to put into storage and I had to go qualify last week.
Secret agent man :rolleyes:

Secret agent man :rolleyes:
Please drop it. I already said I am not allowed to discuss it.

Emphasis on 'obviously.'

I mean sure the guy might not understand the reference to the idea of Wilde's suffering which is conveyed especially in his poems in prison, but christ to me thats like not knowing "Poe". I mean even if your not interested in literacy works there icons, and I don't understand why someone with some sought of education wouldn't know them.

BTW I'm 17 and live in Australia, in case you wanted to say something about me being a mature reader lol

Just checked with a few more friends. I win.
No no, I thought you meant something far more obscure down the line...

I thought ninjas were meant to be trained in the arts?

Anyway, if you can't discuss it, don't advertise the fact that you can't discuss it.

Where I go, is half way around the world. And I am not allowed to say where I am going. I just know that I have to go do some paper work and pack stuff to put into storage and I had to go qualify last week.
You’re going to China.

Ok, my advice: Drop the poem, or maybe give it to her when you leave, but dont make it a prelude. Give her a call, send her an IM... get in contact with her in some way, and invite her out for a coffee in some nice cafe, or for a walk in the park. Stop wallowing, its time for action.

Except that your not listening to what other people say... Um... why are you still here? Perhaps I should write that all in reverse psychology. Or perhaps it IS reverse psychology... who knows...

Sir, for all that is good in the world I must beg of you to NEVER EVER WRITE ANYTHING AGAIN. If someone sent me that poem, I wouldn't be able to read most of it through the vomit.

Harsh but true.

I meant it to be just one page. But I had so much to say that it took 6. And even with 6 I still did not say everything I want to say.
This is what I am feeling. That why I write so much. I should tell her directly but I am not worthy to talk to her. Nor am I really worthy to be in her presence.

Did you know she cried because I stopped talking to her and was ignoring her? I did not know that until yesterday.
She saw me yesterday for the first time 4 months. And her pupils got really big. And she stayed close to where I was. It was an awkward feeling. Is that the word?
I wanted to say something but I was frozen and afraid. I had no appetite cause then I felt very very sad. So I leave. And I go to mall instead. To watch movie all alone for the over 100th time.
But I did manage to ask her how she was and she smiled like she was happy about something.
But me, I still very very bad. Maybe I just give it to her. Cause where I am going, I will likely, not return. But she does not know that. So maybe it best to tell her what I really really feel. Though it not very comfortable for me at all. Cause I feel like the whole world is staring at me and listening in. And I do not like that.

She obviously thinks you are worthy. If she feels that way as if she wants to be with you and you feel the same way, next time that happens, give her a hug or kiss her or buy her a drink or something. Just don't give her the poem.

P.S. Iknow exactly how you feel mate and you're prob wondering why I don't take my own advice, coz she went off back to the country she came from. So, the moral of the story is, if you get a good opportunity, take it. It'll probably never happen again. Just don't give her that poem

Calas

I don't have time. I am preparing to leave the country for a year. I am leaving in just a couple of weeks.

You're leaving? Make use of that cliché, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder." It's true, believe it or not. Do what I said earlier. Take it slow but not too slow. Get her in bed the night before you go and then spend the morning letting her cry on your shoulder. Write to her or e-mail her. Just say stuff like "I miss you" or "I love you". Girls love that stuff. She'll be crying her eyes out if you do it right but she'll love you even more. Even better, when you get home again your patience will be rewarded.

Calas

Six pages?!
that WILL be considered obsessive...

Unless she's been your girlfriend for at least 6 months, DO NOT DO THIS!!!! JUST DON'T!!! TEAR UP THOSE PAGES NOW!!!

Seriously, you will either scare her away or you will let her know that you are under her control and she will be obliged to lead you around like a dog.

If you've been sleeping with her for half a year and you've already shared your deepest darkest feelings, then she probably already knows that you're the kind of dork who would write six pages of verse for her, so go ahead. You might think of editing it down to two or three though. You don't want to bore her.

Unless you can write to a high standard, I would advise against giving a poem. I should know, as I've heard of many a man try, and fall short.

Poetry isn't your style (this much is clear). I say this not to tear you down, but to redirect your energy into a channel that works well for you.

Poetry isn't a problem for me (I write songs more, but I do dabble in the occasional poem).

An example of what I mean:

The dusty cover on the shelf, a memory,
a restatement of what once was, a chance lost
Or was it gained? but never to be seen again.
Listen to the sound of beats, or rythms
Playing silently, without noise or tempers.

But silence deafens all who hear it,
None considered or invested, the dry earth
Begs for rain yet none will come.
Minds confer on a single atom, yet the wider
Plain has not been considered, let alone mentioned.
Reconsider the population in your aggravation.

Shall all play equal part in this melody?
This symphony of colours and lives that
Demands mention of one thing, obtained through
The open curtain, or the closed door,
One or the other. He who understands what
I have said, explain.

For poetry to be effective, it needs to be well written. This one probably confused you more than anything (I knew what it meant at the time, honest!).

Basically, it's about the foolishness of many of man's endeavours. But you already knew that. :D

For the record, I wrote that at about 14 or 15.

Unless you can write to a high standard, I would advise against giving a poem. I should know, as I've heard of many a man try, and fall short.

Poetry isn't your style (this much is clear). I say this not to tear you down, but to redirect your energy into a channel that works well for you.

Poetry isn't a problem for me (I write songs more, but I do dabble in the occasional poem).

An example of what I mean:

The dusty cover on the shelf, a memory,
a restatement of what once was, a chance lost
Or was it gained? but never to be seen again.
Listen to the sound of beats, or rythms
Playing silently, without noise or tempers.

But silence deafens all who hear it,
None considered or invested, the dry earth
Begs for rain yet none will come.
Minds confer on a single atom, yet the wider
Plain has not been considered, let alone mentioned.
Reconsider the population in your aggravation.

Shall all play equal part in this melody?
This symphony of colours and lives that
Demands mention of one thing, obtained through
The open curtain, or the closed door,
One or the other. He who understands what
I have said, explain.

For poetry to be effective, it needs to be well written. This one probably confused you more than anything (I knew what it meant at the time, honest!).

Basically, it's about the foolishness of many of man's endeavours. But you already knew that. :D

For the record, I wrote that at about 14 or 15.

Write a brand-new one for us. You prob wrote that about 5 years ago and it's prob one of about 5 you wrote. Tell us another one.


To Wittier, take my advice. Seriously, it's good. Also how old is this girl. That can have affects. Is she short or tall. Quiet or popular. Many friends or a few? Very good-looking or just good-looking or ugly? There is hundred's of factors, and I guarantee nearly everyone here could help you with her if we knew her, but it's hard, so you'll have to fill us in on the details.

Calas

<snip>
An example of what I mean:

The dusty cover on the shelf, a memory,
a restatement of what once was, a chance lost
Or was it gained? but never to be seen again.
Listen to the sound of beats, or rythms
Playing silently, without noise or tempers.

But silence deafens all who hear it,
None considered or invested, the dry earth
Begs for rain yet none will come.
Minds confer on a single atom, yet the wider
Plain has not been considered, let alone mentioned.
Reconsider the population in your aggravation.

Shall all play equal part in this melody?
This symphony of colours and lives that
Demands mention of one thing, obtained through
The open curtain, or the closed door,
One or the other. He who understands what
I have said, explain.
<snip>


wow...
i am impressed :)

there is no honor in that. Nor is there honor in quitting. That's why I still talked to her when a another person told me not to. Especially when she told me a week later she liked me and liked talking to me. (I was surprised cause no one ever tell me that)

If someone tells you to stop talking to someone or that someone does not want to associate with you, it is dishonorable to not find out from that person directly. Cause the dude that is telling you that crap might be trying to get in her pants and to do that he is telling you that stuff to get you out of the picture. I am not listening to what others say anymore. I learned that lesson. I am only listening to what she says. Cause last time I listened to someone who said she didn't want anything to do with me, she ended up crying cause I didn't talk to her or acknowledge her. I think people are malicious.
My greatest mistake: listening to what some third party person said.

If you're not listening to anyone else anymore, there's not much point in posting this, but if you want advice then stay, but take mine, trust me I know these things.

I'm the only non-gay man I know, that can get inside the female mind. God, it's awful in there.

Calas

"like the sweetest violin
played by a skilled violinist"

*smacks head
I think you can do better than that, I really do.




On a curious sidenote: If you've learned not to take advice from a third person party, why did you make this topic?

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It probably sounds really stupid.

Her name was changed to protect her identity.
ummmm...yeah...
Do not give her that...

if it must be a poem, use the psalm of solomon as a base and guide.

Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely: thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks.
Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men.
Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.
Thou art all fair, my love; there is no spot in thee.
Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.
How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices!
Thy lips, O my spouse, drop as the honeycomb: honey and milk are under thy tongue
substitute the thys with yous, and do other things to make it modern.

(btw, this one caught me an 18 year old when i was 15)

That's not a good poem, Whittier--. I don't think there's much you can learn from that.

I haven't answered your question. Yes 6 pages is too long, and going by it, you're not much of a poet (no hard feelings) and poetry isn't the best option with girls in this day and age. It worked back in Shakespeare times but not anymore.

Calas

If you want to sleep with her, then you need to buy her something and get her drunk and listen to her long boring stories about herself. If you want to express some deep, deep feelings you might just want to talk to her.

I haven't answered your question. Yes 6 pages is too long, and going by it, you're not much of a poet (no hard feelings) and poetry isn't the best option with girls in this day and age. It worked back in Shakespeare times but not anymore.

Calas

It can, but it's kinda dependant on two factors:

One, the girl likes poetry.

Two, you can actually write poetry.

If you don't have those two factors in your situation, abort now.

Just say stuff like "I miss you" or "I love you". Girls love that stuff.

It's true. And, why exactly did you stop talking to her (the time it made her cry)? Just interested.

It can, but it's kinda dependant on two factors:

One, the girl likes poetry.

Two, you can actually write poetry.

If you don't have those two factors in your situation, abort now.

True

Calas

She obviously thinks you are worthy. If she feels that way as if she wants to be with you and you feel the same way, next time that happens, give her a hug or kiss her or buy her a drink or something. Just don't give her the poem.

P.S. Iknow exactly how you feel mate and you're prob wondering why I don't take my own advice, coz she went off back to the country she came from. So, the moral of the story is, if you get a good opportunity, take it. It'll probably never happen again. Just don't give her that poem

Calas
My greatest fear is that I will never see her again. :(

You're leaving? Make use of that cliché, "Absence makes the heart grow fonder." It's true, believe it or not. Do what I said earlier. Take it slow but not too slow. Get her in bed the night before you go and then spend the morning letting her cry on your shoulder. Write to her or e-mail her. Just say stuff like "I miss you" or "I love you". Girls love that stuff. She'll be crying her eyes out if you do it right but she'll love you even more. Even better, when you get home again your patience will be rewarded.

Calas
She don't have internet. Otherwise I would use IM to stay in touch with her. :(

I am obsessive and I am a dog. I am like a lost puppy without her.

She don't have internet. Otherwise I would use IM to stay in touch with her. :(
Ho ho ho, don't want to betray your cover ID secret agent man.

If you're not listening to anyone else anymore, there's not much point in posting this, but if you want advice then stay, but take mine, trust me I know these things.

I'm the only non-gay man I know, that can get inside the female mind. God, it's awful in there.

Calas
I am much better at oratory than at poems. I am much better at speech writing and writing letters. though I can only write letters to her.

It's true. And, why exactly did you stop talking to her (the time it made her cry)? Just interested.
Someone told me that she didn't want anything to do with me and that she was going with someone else.
But then Krista said that the girl said that because she was jealous. Krista did not know anything about it until I wrote a letter to her friend saying bad things about her cause I was really sad and I was not myself.
And I think her mom was in on it too. Her mom agreed with what the other girl was saying.
And Krista, when I see her two weeks later, said she did not know anything about it. And she was very very upset that I was avoiding her. And she was upset by what I said in the letter. But I only avoided her cause I thought she did not want anything to do with me. I am so ashamed that I didn't talk to her about it first and find out directly from her. I still feel so awful about how I reacted. It just was not fair at all.

That is what I meant when I said I would know longer listen to what other people tell me about her.

It is all my fault and I don't think I can make it right.

I am afraid that nothing I do now, will ever make the situation right.

How can she forgive me when I did something so horrible?

I need to stop thinking about this for awhile. Its making me shed tears. Good thing I am in my room where no one can see.

:(

It is all my fault and I don't think I can make it right.

I am afraid that nothing I do now, will ever make the situation right.

How can she forgive me when I did something so horrible?

I need to stop thinking about this for awhile. Its making me shed tears. Good thing I am in my room where no one can see.

:(
just talk to her, man. That's the best advice I can give you

It is all my fault and I don't think I can make it right.

I am afraid that nothing I do now, will ever make the situation right.

How can she forgive me when I did something so horrible?

I need to stop thinking about this for awhile. Its making me shed tears. Good thing I am in my room where no one can see.

:(

Just go do some kung-fu secret agent man training to take your mind off it.

Of course it's not too long. Homer's The Odyssey was actually written to Homer's great love Alexis. Each stage of Odysseus's journey are actually metaphors for Alexis's attributes. The Google version of The Odyssey said that it is 400 or something pages. Now, The Odyssey is one of the most important works of fiction ever. Write a novel. That should really prove your love.

Of course it's not too long. Homer's The Odyssey was actually written to Homer's great love Alexis. Each stage of Odysseus's journey are actually metaphors for Alexis's attributes. The Google version of The Odyssey said that it is 400 or something pages. Now, The Odyssey is one of the most important works of fiction ever. Write a novel. That should really prove your love.

Yes but Homer could write.

Yes but Homer could write.
Yeah, good point.

update:

I left her a note.

The title says it all.

hmm, that depends on a lot of things:

does she like you?

are you going to show it to her?

how obsessive is it?

ok, so only 3 I could think of...

Ok, so now I've read a bit more... it sounds ok

Good luck... not that I believe in luck... :fluffle:

I told I would speak to her in person on the weekend. But I feel there is a 90% probability she won't be there. :(

I must speak to her in person cause there are somethings that letters and poems cannot convey. Like emotion.

Someone told me that she didn't want anything to do with me and that she was going with someone else.
But then Krista said that the girl said that because she was jealous. Krista did not know anything about it until I wrote a letter to her friend saying bad things about her cause I was really sad and I was not myself.
And I think her mom was in on it too. Her mom agreed with what the other girl was saying.
And Krista, when I see her two weeks later, said she did not know anything about it. And she was very very upset that I was avoiding her. And she was upset by what I said in the letter. But I only avoided her cause I thought she did not want anything to do with me. I am so ashamed that I didn't talk to her about it first and find out directly from her. I still feel so awful about how I reacted. It just was not fair at all.

That is what I meant when I said I would know longer listen to what other people tell me about her.

Talk to her, apologise like you really mean it. I'm sure you do but make sure she knows that. The most important thing is that you keep in contact with her when you go away. That's most important. Have faith. I'm not much of a religious person, but believing that you can do something goes a long way towards doing it. Take this opportunity, don't lose it, coz then you've lost her. Make sure she knows you love her before you go. Get her something she would really like when you get back, be really romantic, but not roses and soppy poems romantic, use that "I miss you," and "I love you." I know I've said it before but it works every time. You have got to talk to her and keep in contact, don't be obsessive, girls don't like that. But it's obvious this girl likes you, and that is the most important thing. You've got past the hard part. It would be even worse if she didn't like you. KEEP IN CONTACT, MOST IMPORTANT.

Calas

P.S. Good Luck

Talk to her, apologise like you really mean it. I'm sure you do but make sure she knows that. The most important thing is that you keep in contact with her when you go away. That's most important. Have faith. I'm not much of a religious person, but believing that you can do something goes a long way towards doing it. Take this opportunity, don't lose it, coz then you've lost her. Make sure she knows you love her before you go. Get her something she would really like when you get back, be really romantic, but not roses and soppy poems romantic, use that "I miss you," and "I love you." I know I've said it before but it works every time. You have got to talk to her and keep in contact, don't be obsessive, girls don't like that. But it's obvious this girl likes you, and that is the most important thing. You've got past the hard part. It would be even worse if she didn't like you. KEEP IN CONTACT, MOST IMPORTANT.

Calas

P.S. Good Luck
My note I left for her was all about how much I missed her and how I loved her. Cause I do miss and it makes me feel sad.
I want to maintain communications with her. But the only way I can see at the moment is old fashioned written correspondence.
She means everything to me. Finding a way to maintain communications with her is very important. This last 4 month period is the longest we've gone without me writing her a note about how much I loved her. I often wonder what is she sees that she liked to talk to me. Could it be all the attention I give her versus the other guys who only wanted her for sex?
The reason for the notes was because I felt I needed to keep reminding her every week of how I felt about her. But she never wrote back, she would just come over and talk.

The worst part about it that makes me feel so awful is that I would tell her I would never leave her. I would never forsake her no matter what.
I promised on occasion after occasion that I would never do anything to harm her. And by doing what I did, I broke those promises. I failed her. I am a total failure and the world's biggest loser.

My note I left for her was all about how much I missed her and how I loved her. Cause I do miss and it makes me feel sad.
I want to maintain communications with her. But the only way I can see at the moment is old fashioned written correspondence.
She means everything to me. Finding a way to maintain communications with her is very important. This last 4 month period is the longest we've gone without me writing her a note about how much I loved her. I often wonder what is she sees that she liked to talk to me. Could it be all the attention I give her versus the other guys who only wanted her for sex?
The reason for the notes was because I felt I needed to keep reminding her every week of how I felt about her. But she never wrote back, she would just come over and talk.
No. I've found that girls tend to like people independent of any other factor.

I should tell her directly but I am not worthy to talk to her. Nor am I really worthy to be in her presence.

Get. A. Grip. If there's one attitude that will absolutely never get you a girl, it's this one.

Back to the six page poem thing for a moment, does anyone think those could be the lyrics for a killer rock and roll concept album?

Back to the six page poem thing for a moment, does anyone think those could be the lyrics for a killer rock and roll concept album?
no

now if you said "emo" or "NU metal" album, that's a different matter ;)

no

now if you said "emo" or "NU metal" album, that's a different matter ;)

Eh, check out Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs by Derek and The Dominos.

Killer album, all about Clapton's unrequited love for George Harrison's wife.

That said, under normal circumstances you would have a very good and very humourous point.

Back to the six page poem thing for a moment, does anyone think those could be the lyrics for a killer rock and roll concept album?
???

If you have to write to keep in contact, do so. Contact is the most important wile you are away, or else she'll find someone else or get bored. You have to remind her all the time you love. I take that the reason you are wriing is coz neither of you have phones?

Calas

The title says it all.


I'd say yes based only on the fact that whenever I wrote a letter to a girl the letter was on one side and my poem rarely took up more than the other side. Then again who knows if I was a good poet.

if someone wrote a poem six pages long for me I’d run for the hills :D

if someone wrote a poem six pages long for me I’d run for the hills :D

We've kinda figured that out and ae now trying to set up this guy with this girl, read the thread fully.

Calas

We've kinda figured that out and ae now trying to set up this guy with this girl, read the thread fully.

Calas

sorry if I didn't want to read 8 pages :cool:

I wouldn't go out with her obsessive relationships only end in tears and awkward moments and as much as I can tell (by the title) you don’t know her well enough to be in love

Read the thread, coz you've got to know what you're talking about before you talk, coz this isn't a simple what's your opinion on this thread. It's much more complicated.

Calas

You don't need 6 pages to tell her how much she means to you. Remember, quality over quantity.

Read the thread, coz you've got to know what you're talking about before you talk, coz this isn't a simple what's your opinion on this thread. It's much more complicated.

Calas

all done! (omg this gave me a coma never again will I read relationship talk)

You don't need 6 pages to tell her how much she means to you. Remember, quality over quantity.

rule of thumb
if 6 pages doesn’t do it a six pack will (had to say that)

You don't need 6 pages to tell her how much she means to you. Remember, quality over quantity.
How do I get to the quality part?

How do I get to the quality part?

Depends. Not everyone is destined to be a writer (in fact, most people aren't), though practice will help.

Depends. Not everyone is destined to be a writer (in fact, most people aren't), though practice will help.
Most of the letters I've written her were kind of poetic in nature. I am only used to writing speeches though.

Most of the letters I've written her were kind of poetic in nature. I am only used to writing speeches though.
It shows. Stick to speeches, I've always liked those better then poetry anyway. A good speech beats poetry hands down ("you will not crucify mankind on a cross of gold")

How do I get to the quality part?

If you absolutely must persist with the poetry thing, start out by writing poems that rhyme. Rhyming will make you think harder about what you're writing.

If you absolutely must persist with the poetry thing, start out by writing poems that rhyme. Rhyming will make you think harder about what you're writing.
I don't necessarily mean poems.

Damn that's bitter :rolleyes:

Is 6 pages too long for a poem about a girl?

Only if you have any dignity.

I don't necessarily mean poems.

In that case, it's like Drache said. Practice.

This thread is like an episode of The Wonder Years. I think it was one of those episodes where everything ended up working itself out, so take heart!

I must speak to her in person cause there are somethings that letters and poems cannot convey. Like emotion.

Take your own advice. Tell her in person.

Take your own advice. Tell her in person.
I will. This weekend. If she is there that is.

Incidentally, six pages? Piffle.

Try six years, then you'll be a proper crazy nutjob.

Incidentally, six pages? Piffle.

Try six years, then you'll be a proper crazy nutjob.
It only been 2 years since I meet her and first talked to her.

What if she doesn't show? What if she tell someone else to me that she not want to talk to me? Then I can't tell her and I might have missed my chance to do so before I have to leave. :(

Tell her. Trust me, you will regret not saying anything. The regret alone will tear you up. Tell her.

It only been 2 years since I meet her and first talked to her.

pointers

- is it worth risking friendship? (really think about this I've wrecked my life enough to know this)

- whatever you do do not tell her how you feel!

- spend time with her (its well known that you will fancy someone you spend allot of time with) though make sure it's not enough to make her want to be just friends (remember the guy out of the Gwen stefani: cool video)

- make friend have a party and ask her to come with you

- this one is very risky so use this if all else fails (ye it is off sienfeld but its tried and tested I've done it successfully :D )

heres the script:

GEORGE: I-I-I-I-I got it!!!!!

{Commercial, then "third scene,"The boys are finishing pizza and beer.
George begins here, slowly, carefully, to make sure Jerry's got it. (Be
sure to keep in mind the descriptions' hilarious visual enactments.)}

GEORGE: All right. Let's go over it again, one more time.

JERRY: All right. So I tell Sandy that I want to have a m鮡ge ࠴rois with her
and her roommate.

GEORGE: That's right.

JERRY: And you believe this course of action will have a two-pronged effect.
Firstly, the very mention of the idea will cause Sandy to recoil in
disgust, whereupon she will insist that I remove myself from the
premises.

GEORGE: Keep going.

JERRY: At this point, it is inevitable that she will seek out the roommate to
apprise her of this abhorrent turn of events.

GEORGE: Continue.

JERRY: The roommate will then offer her friend the requisite sympathy even as
part of her cannot help but feel somewhat flattered by her inclusion in
the unusual request.

{George takes over.}

GEORGE: A few days go by and a call is placed at a time when Sandy is known to
be busy at work. Once the initial awkwardness is relieved with a little
playful humor, which she [Laura] of course cannot resist, an invitation
to a friendly dinner is proffered.

JERRY: Huh. Well, it all sounds pretty good. There's only one flaw in it:
They're roommates. She'd have to go out with me behind Sandy's back.
She's not gonna do that.

{Another pregnant pause. George?}

GEORGE: You disappoint me, my friend. Sandy wants nothing to do with you. She
tells Laura, "If you want to waste your time with that pervert, that's
your problem."

{Final pause. Jerry?}

JERRY: It's a perfect plan. So inspired. So devious. Yet so simple.

GEORGE: {George, finger in the peanut butter jar}: This is what I do.

pointers

- is it worth risking friendship? (really think about this I've wrecked my life enough to know this)

- whatever you do do not tell her how you feel!

- spend time with her (its well known that you will fancy someone you spend allot of time with) though make sure it's not enough to make her want to be just friends (remember the guy out of the Gwen stefani: cool video)

- make friend have a party and ask her to come with you

- this one is very risky so use this if all else fails (ye it is off sienfeld but its tried and tested I've done it successfully :D )

heres the script:

GEORGE: I-I-I-I-I got it!!!!!

{Commercial, then "third scene,"The boys are finishing pizza and beer.
George begins here, slowly, carefully, to make sure Jerry's got it. (Be
sure to keep in mind the descriptions' hilarious visual enactments.)}

GEORGE: All right. Let's go over it again, one more time.

JERRY: All right. So I tell Sandy that I want to have a m鮡ge ࠴rois with her
and her roommate.

GEORGE: That's right.

JERRY: And you believe this course of action will have a two-pronged effect.
Firstly, the very mention of the idea will cause Sandy to recoil in
disgust, whereupon she will insist that I remove myself from the
premises.

GEORGE: Keep going.

JERRY: At this point, it is inevitable that she will seek out the roommate to
apprise her of this abhorrent turn of events.

GEORGE: Continue.

JERRY: The roommate will then offer her friend the requisite sympathy even as
part of her cannot help but feel somewhat flattered by her inclusion in
the unusual request.

{George takes over.}

GEORGE: A few days go by and a call is placed at a time when Sandy is known to
be busy at work. Once the initial awkwardness is relieved with a little
playful humor, which she [Laura] of course cannot resist, an invitation
to a friendly dinner is proffered.

JERRY: Huh. Well, it all sounds pretty good. There's only one flaw in it:
They're roommates. She'd have to go out with me behind Sandy's back.
She's not gonna do that.

{Another pregnant pause. George?}

GEORGE: You disappoint me, my friend. Sandy wants nothing to do with you. She
tells Laura, "If you want to waste your time with that pervert, that's
your problem."

{Final pause. Jerry?}

JERRY: It's a perfect plan. So inspired. So devious. Yet so simple.

GEORGE: {George, finger in the peanut butter jar}: This is what I do.

Weird. Are you saying I should tell her I want to have sex with her and her roommate? Weird.

Her roommate did actually offer that one time. Well, with a 3rd girl that was supposed to be involved too. But I did not accept cause I felt it was some kind of trap.

Weird. Are you saying I should tell her I want to have sex with her and her roommate? Weird.

No. You tell her roommate that. But yes, very risky.

..........or you could just tell her you like her? Sorry if thats too blunt, but thats how i usually get my girls, without elaborate plans or poetry (no offense)

Yes.. no... yes.. no... meh...

Just talk to her. Tell her you love her and make sure she knows that befoe you go away.

Calas

When I first meet her I didn't just fall in love. I wanted to marry her.
But I thought I was just confused or something so I didn't emphasize though I did bring it up.
You know what? 2 years later I still feel I want to marry her. Wasn't that supposed to have gone away after a couple of months?
And I didn't even know her at the time I meet her. So I should have fallen out shouldn't I have? But even after getting to know what she is really like. And she is not perfect. She has many imperfections. And after avoiding her for 4 months, I find I am still in love with her. How can this be?
If you avoid someone for a month and not talk to them, aren't you supposed to fall out of love that way. Yet I am still in love. How is this possible?

And after 4 months of me avoiding her and having written cruel and mean things like calling her a bitch and a whore, she crying over me. And her eyes get wide every time she sees me. And the only time I seen her smile in 4 months was when I talked to her. How can this be?


This situation is not logical. I am very confused now. I do not understand the mechanics.

..........or you could just tell her you like her? Sorry if thats too blunt, but thats how i usually get my girls, without elaborate plans or poetry (no offense)

Me too, but you must admit elaborate plans are more fun.

Here's a tip and it's the simplest and best of all.

Don't write a poem, because writing poems from a position of uncertainty is dangerous. For poetry to be shared you need trust.

Write a fucking letter.

HOW HAS THIS THREAD LASTED SO LONG!?!?!?!?!?

the bewilderment of NS.

Here's a tip and it's the simplest and best of all.

Don't write a poem, because writing poems from a position of uncertainty is dangerous. For poetry to be shared you need trust.

Write a fucking letter.
I did. I wrote her a lot of letters.

When I first meet her I didn't just fall in love. I wanted to marry her.
But I thought I was just confused or something so I didn't emphasize though I did bring it up.
You know what? 2 years later I still feel I want to marry her. Wasn't that supposed to have gone away after a couple of months?
And I didn't even know her at the time I meet her. So I should have fallen out shouldn't I have? But even after getting to know what she is really like. And she is not perfect. She has many imperfections. And after avoiding her for 4 months, I find I am still in love with her. How can this be?
If you avoid someone for a month and not talk to them, aren't you supposed to fall out of love that way. Yet I am still in love. How is this possible?

And after 4 months of me avoiding her and having written cruel and mean things like calling her a bitch and a whore, she crying over me. And her eyes get wide every time she sees me. And the only time I seen her smile in 4 months was when I talked to her. How can this be?


This situation is not logical. I am very confused now. I do not understand the mechanics.

Love is not meant to be logical or meant to have mechanics. That's why it's love and not some science techno-sh1t.
Talk to her, make sure she knows how you feel. I know exactly what it's like to be in love. Except you have a better opportunity than I did. Do it man.

Calas

How do I make it shorter?

Try haiku. You are only allowed 17 syllables, so it forces you to pick what is absolutely the most important thing you have to say, and set aside all the rest.

I would say that what you have written is more of a diary entry than a poem you would give to someone else. So keep that for you, and think about something more succinct for her. And TALK to her, for heaven's sake. It sounds from your other posts that she might like it if you just talked about anything random with her.

And TALK to her, for heaven's sake. It sounds from your other posts that she might like it if you just talked about anything random with her.

Agreed. I mean, just how much more obvious do you need her to be?

When I first meet her I didn't just fall in love. I wanted to marry her.
But I thought I was just confused or something so I didn't emphasize though I did bring it up.
You know what? 2 years later I still feel I want to marry her. Wasn't that supposed to have gone away after a couple of months?
And I didn't even know her at the time I meet her. So I should have fallen out shouldn't I have? But even after getting to know what she is really like. And she is not perfect. She has many imperfections. And after avoiding her for 4 months, I find I am still in love with her. How can this be?
If you avoid someone for a month and not talk to them, aren't you supposed to fall out of love that way. Yet I am still in love. How is this possible?

And after 4 months of me avoiding her and having written cruel and mean things like calling her a bitch and a whore, she crying over me. And her eyes get wide every time she sees me. And the only time I seen her smile in 4 months was when I talked to her. How can this be?


This situation is not logical. I am very confused now. I do not understand the mechanics.


I am sorry, but you spend 4 months calling her a bitch and a whore and she is STILL interested in you? Ummm... what kind of a doormat is this girl, anyway? My previous answer about haiku came before I read this one. Now let me revise my thought. Perhaps this whole relationship is in serious need of the services of a trained psychiatrist. If you are this abusive to her before you hook up, how dangerous are you going to be after you do? And is she just going to take that abuse too? Better for both of you if you just walk away now and don't put either of you (but especially her) through that kind of hell.

Don't write a poem, because writing poems from a position of uncertainty is dangerous. For poetry to be shared you need trust.



I agree with this. Also, 6 pages isn't necessarily too long but every word has to count, every word has to be important. If you've trimmed the fat and gotten rid of everything that doesn't work then 6 pages is fine.

Trust me when I tell you that the road you're on right now is long and there's very little chance of it leading to where you want it to lead. The best advice I ever had was to just tell the girl I like her and ask her out, keep it relaxed and the chances are she'll say yes, if she says no then at least you'll know, there's no reason it should threaten the friendship so long as you don't come on too strong, if it does threaten the friendship then the friendship probably wasn't working. Where you go is up to you, although I wouldn't advise the cinema for a first date as there isn't much opportunity for conversation. Afterward if she's still interested then good, if not then, again, at least you'll know.

Best of luck

Is 11 pages too long for a thread about a poem?

Is 11 pages too long for a thread about a poem?

Eleven pages? Try eleven years !

I am sorry, but you spend 4 months calling her a bitch and a whore and she is STILL interested in you? Ummm... what kind of a doormat is this girl, anyway? My previous answer about haiku came before I read this one. Now let me revise my thought. Perhaps this whole relationship is in serious need of the services of a trained psychiatrist. If you are this abusive to her before you hook up, how dangerous are you going to be after you do? And is she just going to take that abuse too? Better for both of you if you just walk away now and don't put either of you (but especially her) through that kind of hell.

Someone told Whittier that she hated him so he started hating her, but obviously she was prepared to forgive him for being such a fool to her.

Calas

Her roommate did actually offer that one time. Well, with a 3rd girl that was supposed to be involved too. But I did not accept cause I felt it was some kind of trap.

are you crazy? that’s like discovering plutonium....by accident!

are you sure you haven’t seen her somewhere before you met her that can give you the feeling of love (yes I do watch to much Sienfeld :D )

This situation is not logical. I am very confused now. I do not understand the mechanics.
True, the mechanics can be a bit puzzling at first, but with a little practice I'm sure you'll get it right. You see, a man has a penis and a woman has a vagina...or were you talking about the scenario with 3 women involved? That is a tough one, but I think it would be worth researching. I suggest your local pornographic video purveyor. Also, the world wide web is full of great research tools.

Seriously though, writing isn't your strength, but you must be doing something right if you've got multiple women throwing themselves at you simultaneously in spite of the fact that you've insulted & avoided one of them for the past 4 months. If only I had been blessed with whatever gift you have (perhaps a rather large gift in the trousers?) instead of my stunning good looks, clever wit and charming personality...

are you just messing us around?

I know a forum that shuts down topics when they reach 500 posts to minimize bandwidth wasting. i highly doubt a thread that goes beyond that is still on topic.

I know a forum that shuts down topics when they reach 500 posts to minimize bandwidth wasting. i highly doubt a thread that goes beyond that is still on topic.
Staying on topic is so overrated.

I know a forum that shuts down topics when they reach 500 posts to minimize bandwidth wasting. i highly doubt a thread that goes beyond that is still on topic.

GameFAQs fucking blows, with that being one of the reasons.

GameFAQs fucking blows, with that being one of the reasons.

That's not GameFaqs. Thats Apolyton (Civilization II website). They go off topic, but they still look the thread after 500 posts. This forum is sluggish because of these huge threads.

That's not GameFaqs. Thats Apolyton (Civilization II website). They go off topic, but they still look the thread after 500 posts. This forum is sluggish because of these huge threads.
You don't remember the bad old pre-jolt days, do you? This baby's smokin compared to then.

I am sorry, but you spend 4 months calling her a bitch and a whore and she is STILL interested in you? Ummm... what kind of a doormat is this girl, anyway? My previous answer about haiku came before I read this one. Now let me revise my thought. Perhaps this whole relationship is in serious need of the services of a trained psychiatrist. If you are this abusive to her before you hook up, how dangerous are you going to be after you do? And is she just going to take that abuse too? Better for both of you if you just walk away now and don't put either of you (but especially her) through that kind of hell.
No no no. I only did it once. And that was 4 months ago. I didn't say I was doing it over 4 months. I only said I was avoiding her over 4 months cause I thought she didn't want to talk to me.

Someone told Whittier that she hated him so he started hating her, but obviously she was prepared to forgive him for being such a fool to her.

Calas
I don't know that yet. What if she holds grudges?

Oh guys, I made that post in the wrong thread. My apologies.

are you just messing us around?
No. I am going to see if I can talk to her tommorrow but I am very nervous about it cause a million things can go wrong.
Actually I feel intimidated. I would rather face the dems in a burning furnace. I would rather be blown to bits by some IED in Iraq.

No. I am going to see if I can talk to her tommorrow but I am very nervous about it cause a million things can go wrong.

yay! tell us how it goes

whatever you do don't say don't in your head because your mind cuts out negative words ;)

another case closed on NS general :)

I don't know that yet. What if she holds grudges?

Look, mate, with that attitude, you'll never catch her. If you forget about it, you'll regret it and you won't have the opportunity when you come home. If you talk to her and nothing happens, at least you'll know and you won't be fooling yourself. I think, though, that she won't and that it'll all work out fine ;)

Calas

Yes she does.

I am back. The nerve of that little filthy gutterslut. :mad: :mad: :mad:

1. She refused to acknowledge me.

2. She didn't just ignore me, she totally disrespected me.

3. I could go on. But to put it simply, this ordeal is over.


I gave her a written apology. If she wanted an oral apology in front of her friends like she had asked for originally, she just lost her chance to get one.

If someone is apologizing to you, you don't treat them the way I was just treated. Hell no.

The bitch psyched me out. That's what happened.
If she thinks I am just going to sit around and take that, she don't know me.
I've shown my ability to ignore her. I'll just continue now that I know that she was doing was psyching me. :mad:



I am available and I want a girl that is a virgin like me. No tatoos no peircings and she has to have good morals.
They can't be over 25 and they can't be overwieght.

These are my credentials:
I have never broken a single law.
I don't take shit from anyone.
I am the nicest guy on planet earth
I can prove it
I am perfect.
Not only am I perfect
but I am God's Gift To Women
and I am back.

And you all are witnesses that I was going to give her one. So no one can say that I didn't and try to use it against me. If they do, I'll drop kick their sorry asses and make them wish they was never born.

And you all are witnesses that I was going to give her one. So no one can say that I didn't and try to use it against me. If they do, I'll drop kick their sorry asses and make them wish they was never born.

ye were all witnesses she came at you with a knife ;)

women eh....can't live with'em can't live without'em

I would suggest getting laid losing your virginity will keep that evil bitch off your mind

And since I have never met a female that has ever met my requirements, I think I should support human cloning. Then I can the perfect female created.
Some people might have a small problem about people creating clones of females, but actually there is no law against it.
But why would just settle for simple cloning when we have the tech. to improve the product in the process.
All you do is take a cell from a girl. But instead of just inducing it to grow into a person, you make adjustments and improvements. And bam.
You end up creating a girl that is smarter than the original, faster than the original, better in bed than the original, better in every way. And with better morals.
And in theory, you could alter the genetics whereby altering the size of her breasts.
But then again, the whole thing is currently theoretical. It needs resources to carry out. The world will become heaven for guys. And if I was the one to be the first to do this, I would go down in history and become rich very fast. :D

ye were all witnesses she came at you with a knife ;)

women eh....can't live with'em can't live without'em

I would suggest getting laid losing your virginity will keep that evil bitch off your mind
Oh really? And you claim to know girls that want to have sex with me?
I will pay you one million dollars to show me just one that ain't a hundred, don't have a bunch of kids who chased her former boyfriends away, and isn't overweight and hasn't been having sex with every guy in town.

wellllll since were suppose to be talking about poems everyone tell me what you think of this one

Demons chant softly
Their fiery melody echoes through the halls
Fire is their melody
Tears keep the beat
Pain trains the chorus…
As sinners are beat…
Knives glisten softly
Chains twist and twirl
Demons chant softly
And fire knows no end

this got me sent to the pychologist for a month stinky a@! teachers *grumbles*

Oh really? And you claim to know girls that want to have sex with me?
I will pay you one million dollars to show me just one that ain't a hundred, don't have a bunch of kids who chased her former boyfriends away, and isn't overweight and hasn't been having sex with every guy in town.

oh c'mon I bet you have scored some points with that bitches friends shack up with them that'll be payback

Or maybe a night out on the dance floor is in order a nice hefty binge will get you a girl

Her friends are married or have boyfriends. If I tried to hook up with them, that would make me a filthy gutterslut.

It seemed no female wanted to talk to me today.
Until I met Ms. Dagger a few minutes ago. But I am not supposed to talk to her cause its against the rules. Rules be damned. I went ahead and talked to her.
The rules against me talking to her, were invented by people who were intent on making sure I stay all alone my whole life. So for first time, I break the rules cause 1. they don't benefit me, 2. they harm me.

oh c'mon I bet you have scored some points with that bitches friends shack up with them that'll be payback

Or maybe a night out on the dance floor is in order a nice hefty binge will get you a girl
I don't know how to dance. If I tried I would look like an ass.

It all depends on how much you care for her. If you have immeasurable feelings, then even if the poem is pretty awful but just begins to catch an essence of those feelings even sublimely it might be appreciated. People appreciated the emotional thought behind labours of lust, one does not have to be a great poet to be appreciated by one's muse. If you believe the poem really cuts to the heart of the matter, then keep it as it is. I personally would cut it down to something a little shorter, a soft diatribe which could convey even the tiniest extremities of your feelings.

I sound like such a ponce.

Her friends are married or have boyfriends. If I tried to hook up with them, that would make me a filthy gutterslut.

It seemed no female wanted to talk to me today.
Until I met Ms. Dagger a few minutes ago. But I am not supposed to talk to her cause its against the rules. Rules be damned. I went ahead and talked to her.
The rules against me talking to her, were invented by people who were intent on making sure I stay all alone my whole life. So for first time, I break the rules cause 1. they don't benefit me, 2. they harm me.

Jesus man. Hard luck, this really affected you. This guy is totally different now. He's whacked, all psycho. Hmmmm, was it my advice? :fluffle:

Calas

Her friends are married or have boyfriends. If I tried to hook up with them, that would make me a filthy gutterslut.

It seemed no female wanted to talk to me today.
Until I met Ms. Dagger a few minutes ago. But I am not supposed to talk to her cause its against the rules. Rules be damned. I went ahead and talked to her.
The rules against me talking to her, were invented by people who were intent on making sure I stay all alone my whole life. So for first time, I break the rules cause 1. they don't benefit me, 2. they harm me.

why can't you screw ms Dagger?

who invented these rules?

tip: don't lose you virginity with another virgin like I did its crap and you both don't know what your doing

why can't you screw ms Dagger?

who invented these rules?

tip: don't lose you virginity with another virgin like I did its crap and you both don't know what your doing
How do you know she's a virgin? Have you met her?

why can't you screw ms Dagger?

who invented these rules?

tip: don't lose you virginity with another virgin like I did its crap and you both don't know what your doing
see, that is exactly why she was disrepecting and lying about me. Because I refused to have sex with her.

see, that is exactly why she was disrepecting and lying about me. Because I refused to have sex with her.

You fcuking idiot :headbang: . I've no sympathy for you. It was your own fault then. The more times you get her in bed :fluffle: , the better, if you're good that is....... :fluffle:

Why can't you do Ms. Dagger :fluffle: ?
Who is she?
Some old lady across the road or a teacher in your school or what?

Calas

You fcuking idiot :headbang: . I've no sympathy for you. It was your own fault then. The more times you get her in bed :fluffle: , the better, if you're good that is....... :fluffle:

Why can't you do Ms. Dagger :fluffle: ?
Who is she?
Some old lady across the road or a teacher in your school or what?

Calas
Would you want to do it with her if you knew she was f***ing every guy she met on the street?

Would you want to do it with her if you knew she was f***ing every guy she met on the street?

that is a big question but if your desperate go for it

seriously go to some bar and pull some women you really deserve some fun after 2 years

The title says it all.

You don't need six pages to impress a girl. Set a few lines to music and even Elmer Fudd can score;

Elmer's on Fire (http://rivendell.fortunecity.com/demons/103/sounds/fuddfire.wav)

that is a big question but if your desperate go for it

seriously go to some bar and pull some women you really deserve some fun after 2 years
2 years? 2 years of what?

2 years? 2 years of what?

wasn't you in love with that girl for 2 years?

wasn't you in love with that girl for 2 years?
yeah, but was before I found out what a real bitch from hell she is. Nor did I know she liked and sympathized with pedophiles.

yeah, but was before I found out what a real bitch from hell she is. Nor did I know she liked and sympathized with pedophiles.
:)

The title says it all.
Of course not. Mine's about twenty years long already.

i think you should memorize it, go to her door, rign her bell and when she answers be all...

"I want you to hear something, i dont nkow how to write it so i will tell you instead."

and just start SCREAMING THE LINES OF THE POEM AT HER.

grab her shoulders and scream right into her ear.

break evry few lines to go DO YOU UNDERSTAND?! DO YOU UNDERSTAND?!

her heart will float and burst with love for you.

also, be holding a gun.

P.S.

KRISTA IS MINE, BITCHASSSSSSSSS


shes my girlfriend now!! BOO YAHHH HOO HAH! BOO YAARGLISTIC NONSENSE!

you're funny smellin' :)

You’re going to China.

He's a commie. He's defecting.

P.S.

KRISTA IS MINE, BITCHASSSSSSSSS


shes my girlfriend now!! BOO YAHHH HOO HAH! BOO YAARGLISTIC NONSENSE!
You can have her. Hope you don't mind clap.

Whittier- God's gift to the gentle art of bitching.

You can have her. Hope you don't mind clap.

Sour grapes, eh?

Seriously, man. You go from saying you're not worthy of being around her to calling her a slut? I'm really beginning to suspect that she wasn't the problem here.

Sour grapes, eh?

Seriously, man. You go from saying you're not worthy of being around her to calling her a slut? I'm really beginning to suspect that she wasn't the problem here.
Atypical Depression?

Sour grapes, eh?

Seriously, man. You go from saying you're not worthy of being around her to calling her a slut? I'm really beginning to suspect that she wasn't the problem here.
I have never called her that. Though to think about it. You are probably right. She is. I mean, it is a known fact, that she has had sex with every guy in town.
Every guy on post too. Every guy... except for me. And that will never happen.
Cause I am not every guy. Unlike every other guy on earth, I am not a gutterslut.
She can have whoever she wants. Except for me.
Every guy will drop his pants for every girl he sees on the street. But not me. I have something that neither she nor the guys she always spreads her legs for, don't have. I have moral values and I have never broken a single law.
That is something that neither she nor any of those guttersluts can ever claim.
That's exactly why she won't talk to me anymore. Because I am the only person that has refused to have sex with her.

Look, if it don't feel right, then there is no point in this relationship. If you are as decent as you make out, then you will find a decent girl and not this what sounds like sex-crazed girl!

I suggest you dump her (take the moral high ground) and wait for a proper decent girl.

Graham

I have never called her that. Though to think about it. You are probably right. She is. I mean, it is a known fact, that she has had sex with every guy in town.
Every guy on post too. Every guy... except for me. And that will never happen.
Cause I am not every guy. Unlike every other guy on earth, I am not a gutterslut.
She can have whoever she wants. Except for me.
Every guy will drop his pants for every girl he sees on the street. But not me. I have something that neither she nor the guys she always spreads her legs for, don't have. I have moral values and I have never broken a single law.
That is something that neither she nor any of those guttersluts can ever claim.
That's exactly why she won't talk to me anymore. Because I am the only person that has refused to have sex with her.

She probably won't talk to you anymore because you're sitting so far up in the air on that high horse of yours that she can't even see you anymore. A romantic as it is to call someone a 'gutterslut' (whatever the hell that means), you're going to be quite lonely if you keep it up.

She probably won't talk to you anymore because you're sitting so far up in the air on that high horse of yours that she can't even see you anymore. A romantic as it is to call someone a 'gutterslut' (whatever the hell that means), you're going to be quite lonely if you keep it up.

Gutterslut: Some completely lacking in moral values. A guy who whips it out for every girl he sees on the street. A girl who spreads her legs for every guy she meets on the street.
The term is derogatory and applies to both men and women.
The term can also be applied to people often labeled as "players" because the point of being a player is that you jump in bed with many different women just for the sex.
Edit: A gutterslut is also someone that engages in intercourse with, or goes out with someone else's girlfriend or spouse. Again, it applies to both genders.

And no, there is no high horse here. Just moral standards.

And no, there is no high horse here. Just moral standards.

high horse; an attitude of arrogant superiority.

There's a high horse here for sure. Imposing your own code of morals on someone else is the perfect way to isolate yourself from the rest of humanity and make yourself seem self-important and arrogant.

What's worse is, it's just a rocking horse on stilts. If you had moral standards, you wouldn't be throwing insults around and bitching about somebody on an internet forum as you are. Your 'moral standards' are as scuppered up as the rest of us, so hop a balloon ride down from your high horse and quit with the arrogance. You never know, you might enjoy being with us, the uncleaned masses, the morally inferior plebians.

yes :(

high horse; an attitude of arrogant superiority.

There's a high horse here for sure. Imposing your own code of morals on someone else is the perfect way to isolate yourself from the rest of humanity and make yourself seem self-important and arrogant.

What's worse is, it's just a rocking horse on stilts. If you had moral standards, you wouldn't be throwing insults around and bitching about somebody on an internet forum as you are. Your 'moral standards' are as scuppered up as the rest of us, so hop a balloon ride down from your high horse and quit with the arrogance. You never know, you might enjoy being with us, the uncleaned masses, the morally inferior plebians. Calling a spade a spade is not being arrogantly superior.

high horse; an attitude of arrogant superiority.

There's a high horse here for sure. Imposing your own code of morals on someone else is the perfect way to isolate yourself from the rest of humanity and make yourself seem self-important and arrogant.

What's worse is, it's just a rocking horse on stilts. If you had moral standards, you wouldn't be throwing insults around and bitching about somebody on an internet forum as you are. Your 'moral standards' are as scuppered up as the rest of us, so hop a balloon ride down from your high horse and quit with the arrogance. You never know, you might enjoy being with us, the uncleaned masses, the morally inferior plebians.
Dude you haven't a clue to what the situation is. I have made many exceptions for her. But she fucked up. She had her chance. Now its too late for her.
I have the highest standards in the world. But I make exceptions for those I think are worth exempting. Unfortunately, I found out late that she is not worth exempting.
So unless you have values, don't tell me shit bout no high horses.

Calling a spade a spade is not being arrogantly superior.

Repeatedly stating that morals are objective and not subjective does not make it so.

Calling a spade a spade is not being arrogantly superior.
True. Though, it still makes me uncomfortable cause I don't like doing it too much.

Repeatedly stating that morals are objective and not subjective does not make it so.
Mine are.

Dude you haven't a clue to what the situation is. I have made many exceptions for her. But she fucked up. She had her chance. Now its too late for her.
I have the highest standards in the world. But I make exceptions for those I think are worth exempting. Unfortunately, I found out late that she is not worth exempting.
So unless you have values, don't tell me shit bout no high horses.

I don't give a damn about her screw-ups or how important you think you are to be giving somebody 'chances' with you. The fact that you're calling every man on the planet but yourself morally inferior is more than enough reason for me to be shaking your high horse until you fall off it.

Mine are.

Uh huh.

The title says it all.

Not necessarily

Make sure that you use good punctuation... write to impress!

True. Though, it still makes me uncomfortable cause I don't like doing it too much. Call a slut a slut, am I correct? Unless I have grossly misunderstood this whole thing (only read the last 2 pages), which is quite possible.

I don't give a damn about her screw-ups or how important you think you are to be giving somebody 'chances' with you. The fact that you're calling every man on the planet but yourself morally inferior is more than enough reason for me to be shaking your high horse until you fall off it.



Uh huh.
You protest too much. I'm beginning to think you are one of those people who does go around having intercourse with and stealing other people's wives or girlfriends. You should know that is not something to proud of. That's something to be ashamed of.
I'm sitting here reading what you post. You condemn me for having moral standards. At least I have standards.
And you talk all pissed off, cause you think I'm on a "high horse". I think you are the one on the high horse.
I know humility when it is appropriate. I've practiced it my entire life. I don't show humility just because I want to get into someone's pants. I only do it cause I mean it. There is a line that you just don't cross.
So how about you come down off your high horse.