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Age and Politics

Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 14:50
A thread that I recently read asks how old you are, and I was quite surprised hoy young the majority in this forum is. So I'm curious to see how that affects your political ideals. So here it is, the Age and Politics poll!
BTW, I'm 25.
Rammsteinburg
15-08-2005, 14:55
I am under the age of eighteen, but I have decided to avoid labeling myself "liberal", "conservative", or anything else like that. Most people would call me a liberal, though.
Hemingsoft
15-08-2005, 14:57
I'm conservative, but mostly I like to consider myself a Constitutionalist. Meaning, we have our system, if it's wrong rewrite it, else follow the rules and play the game. I hate people who think they need to criticize a nation's Constitution, or interpret it to fit their needs.
Liasia
15-08-2005, 14:57
Im 16, and when i say 'liberal' i mean that i think the NHS and unemployment benefits are a good idea, magic mushrooms and weed should be made legal, and that stupid people should be locked up.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 14:59
I am under the age of eighteen, but I have decided to avoid labeling myself "liberal", "conservative", or anything else like that.
Thats why "leaning" is in quotes. Not what you are, just which way do you lean? If most of your major issues fall in the category of gun control, health care, gay rights, civil rights, then you lean liberal. If they fall in the anti gay marriage, pro gun rights, more military, less government, less welfare category, then you lean conservative. Key word is "lean", not "belong". I gues you clarified that though. Thanks! ;)
Rammsteinburg
15-08-2005, 15:01
Thats why "leaning" is in quotes. Not what you are, just which way do you lean?

Meh, I missed the word leaning. I apologize. If you look back at my original post, which I edited, you'll find your answer.


If most of your major issues fall in the category of gun control, health care, gay rights, civil rights, then you lean liberal. If they fall in the anti gay marriage, pro gun rights, more military, less government, less welfare category, then you lean conservative. Key word is "lean", not "belong".

You don't need to educate me on what is considered conservative and what is considered liberal.
Copiosa Scotia
15-08-2005, 15:06
19 and neither.
Yupaenu
15-08-2005, 15:12
A thread that I recently read asks how old you are, and I was quite surprised hoy young the majority in this forum is. So I'm curious to see how that affects your political ideals. So here it is, the Age and Politics poll!
BTW, I'm 25.
your poll won't work, it's missing liberterian and populist. also, them people who don't want to be labeled, those are libertarians, heheheh!
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 15:12
19 and neither.
Are you trying to say that you have absolutely NO leanings politically? I find that hard to believe. I'm not asking if you are one or the other, just if you find either group more appealing than the other.
TearTheSkyOut
15-08-2005, 15:24
Under 18 and avoid political labels. Those two specifically XD
DHomme
15-08-2005, 15:27
17 and neither
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 15:48
People, all I'm asking is which way you lean! If your in a political forum, then you obviously care about politics. I'm not asking if you are one or the other, just which you agree with more often. I don't like labels either, and I am not a conservative OR a liberal, but at least I have the balls to admit that I agree with conservatives more often without being afraid I'll be branded a Republican. I would have to guess that everyone who says "neither" probably either fits in the "Under 18" category, or fits under the "Never grew up" category that I didn't have room for. GEEZ!
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 15:49
Im 16, and when i say 'liberal' i mean that i think the NHS and unemployment benefits are a good idea, magic mushrooms and weed should be made legal, and that stupid people should be locked up.
I agree with the weed sentiment, but do you REALLY want a nation of tripping people? Thats lunacy.
Unspeakable
15-08-2005, 15:50
To Quote Churchill "any man not a Liberal at 20 is a misanthrope, and any man not a Conservative at 30 a fool"
Nadkor
15-08-2005, 15:50
You do realise that the political "centre" in is different from country to country, and what may be considered a liberal in one country could be seen as a conservative in another?
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 15:53
You do realise that the political "centre" in is different from country to country, and what may be considered a liberal in one country could be seen as a conservative in another?
You have a point there. I should have specified that I am talking American political leanings.
The Noble Men
15-08-2005, 15:56
Under 18, but I'm I have beliefs in both sections. Does that make me centrist?
The Divine Ruler
15-08-2005, 15:57
Age: 15
Political orientation: Conservative :D
Swilatia
15-08-2005, 15:59
12 yrs, and right-wing.
Zaxon
15-08-2005, 16:49
31-40, but neither conservative, nor liberal.

Check the signature.
Eutrusca
15-08-2005, 16:51
A thread that I recently read asks how old you are, and I was quite surprised hoy young the majority in this forum is. So I'm curious to see how that affects your political ideals. So here it is, the Age and Politics poll!
BTW, I'm 25.
Your poll needs a bit of work. The options in the real world aren't limited to conservative or liberal. :(
Eichen
15-08-2005, 16:56
Shitty poll. I'm neither conservative, nor liberal. I don't lean more toward one or the other, either. :rolleyes:
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 17:42
Some of you are downright stupid. I asked which way you leaned, as in which you would choose sides with if given the option of one or the other. Do you need people to hold your hands when you go to the bathroom too, or just when answering polls? And by the way, no one is forcing you to take part in it.
Nadkor
15-08-2005, 17:43
Some of you are downright stupid. I asked which way you leaned, as in which you would choose sides with if given the option of one or the other. Do you need people to hold your hands when you go to the bathroom too, or just when answering polls?
No, it's just that some people have absolutely no liking for either, and would never in a million years associate themselves with either.
Copiosa Scotia
15-08-2005, 17:43
Are you trying to say that you have absolutely NO leanings politically? I find that hard to believe. I'm not asking if you are one or the other, just if you find either group more appealing than the other.

I'm not saying I have no political leanings. I just rather dislike both liberalism and conservatism.
Kamsaki
15-08-2005, 17:49
The problem with being moderate is that it's seen as a liberal trait. >_>;;
Lokiaa
15-08-2005, 17:55
Libertarian, pretty much...but since I place more importance on economic issues, I guess I'm more closely aligned with the conservative wing than the liberal.

EDIT: And I'm 18. :p
Callery
15-08-2005, 17:57
12 yrs, and right-wing.
That makes me so sad. Most children are more liberal as liberals tend to be more idealistic. It is really depressing that people are getting disillusion so early in life.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 18:01
Libertarian, pretty much...but since I place more importance on economic issues, I guess I'm more closely aligned with the conservative wing than the liberal.

EDIT: And I'm 18. :p
SEE? This is how you do it, people!
Eichen
15-08-2005, 18:02
Some of you are downright stupid. I asked which way you leaned, as in which you would choose sides with if given the option of one or the other. Do you need people to hold your hands when you go to the bathroom too, or just when answering polls? And by the way, no one is forcing you to take part in it.
Oh great one... you tell me which way I lean--

Pro Gay-Rights/Marriage
Legalize Drugs
Legalize Prostitution
Legalize Gambling
For Open Borders
Against Patriot Act
Against War on Iraq
Against Gun Control
Against Welfare
Against Social Security
Against Minimum Wage
Against Taxation
Against Big Government

Honestly, can you see a good reason why I should choose a misnomer, such as "conservative" or "liberal", when I'm clearly a libertarian?
Seems more like a trap set by a bipartisan hack to place round pegs into square holes.
The Noble Men
15-08-2005, 18:08
Against Minimum Wage

Sorry to hijack a thread, but Eichen, why are you against Minimum Wage? I've always wanted to hear someone's viewpoint on this.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 18:11
Oh great one... you tell me which way I lean--


Pro Gay-Rights/Marriage -Liberal ideal
Legalize Drugs -Liberal ideal
Legalize Prostitution -Liberal ideal
Legalize Gambling -Liberal ideal
For Open Borders -Liberal ideal
Against Patriot Act -Liberal ideal
Against War on Iraq -Liberal ideal
Against Gun Control -Conservative ideal
Against Welfare -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Social Security -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Minimum Wage -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Taxation -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Big Government -Conservative ideal


HHMMMMMMM Thats a tough one! lol


Honestly, can you see a good reason why I should choose a misnomer, such as "conservative" or "liberal", when I'm clearly a libertarian?
Seems more like a trap set by a bipartisan hack to place round pegs into square holes.Did you just call me a hack, you Libertarian nutbag?
Copiosa Scotia
15-08-2005, 18:15
That makes me so sad. Most children are more liberal as liberals tend to be more idealistic. It is really depressing that people are getting disillusion so early in life.

Meh, take a look at George W. Bush and try to tell me he's not idealistic. ;)
Sikkmain
15-08-2005, 18:19
The terms Liberal and constervative mean differnt thing in america and europe so i suppose im practialy a commie in the US and a Scoial democrat in europe
Laerod
15-08-2005, 18:22
A thread that I recently read asks how old you are, and I was quite surprised hoy young the majority in this forum is. So I'm curious to see how that affects your political ideals. So here it is, the Age and Politics poll!
BTW, I'm 25.It's kinda sad how there's no leftist option... :(
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 18:25
It's kinda sad how there's no leftist option... :(
Sorry for being vague, leftist would be liberal by my definition.
Neo Rogolia
15-08-2005, 18:26
19 and conservative.
Laerod
15-08-2005, 18:28
Sorry for being vague, leftist would be liberal by my definition.Oh. Yeah, over in Germany, liberals are the conservatives cronies and lap dogs. As an American, liberals are right from center to me. In future, left, right, and center would be better...
Valori
15-08-2005, 18:28
I'm exactly 18 years old, turn 19 December 21st, and I am a Conservative. Granted I have some liberal views, for the most part I am the stereotypical Italian Catholic.
Neo Rogolia
15-08-2005, 18:28
That makes me so sad. Most children are more liberal as liberals tend to be more idealistic. It is really depressing that people are getting disillusion so early in life.



He could be intelligent and be a right-wing ideologue ;)
Skippydom
15-08-2005, 18:28
I'm 21 and very liberal and I'm very afraid of libertarians!
Laerod
15-08-2005, 18:30
He could be intelligent and be a right-wing ideologue ;)What's disillusionment and idealism have to do with intelligence?
Adlersburg-Niddaigle
15-08-2005, 18:31
If most of your major issues fall in the category of gun control, health care, gay rights, civil rights, then you lean liberal. If they fall in the anti gay marriage, pro gun rights, more military, less government, less welfare category, then you lean conservative. Key word is "lean", not "belong". I gues you clarified that though. Thanks! ;)

Now that you have set forth the issues, I'm not sure which category I would be in. I'm interested in an equitable society, one in which the community (represented by the government) takes an interest in and assumes responsibility for the society as a whole and for its members. Civil rights for all are very important (but I thought that was a conservative issue!), affordable health care for all is just plain common sense as is free education from pre-school through the university. I am very unwilling to stick my nose into the business of other people unless they damage others or what belongs to us all.
Neo Rogolia
15-08-2005, 18:32
I'm 21 and very liberal and I'm very afraid of libertarians!



*shows you a picture of Undelia* Boo!!!!
Valori
15-08-2005, 18:35
I'm conservative, but mostly I like to consider myself a Constitutionalist. Meaning, we have our system, if it's wrong rewrite it, else follow the rules and play the game. I hate people who think they need to criticize a nation's Constitution, or interpret it to fit their needs.

Your a strict constructionist.
Kanabia
15-08-2005, 18:37
Pfft. This poll assumes that the only two political positions available are "liberal" and "conservative". How distinctly American.
Zaxon
15-08-2005, 18:45
Some of you are downright stupid. I asked which way you leaned, as in which you would choose sides with if given the option of one or the other. Do you need people to hold your hands when you go to the bathroom too, or just when answering polls? And by the way, no one is forcing you to take part in it.

Au contraire--those that assume that it's a linear scale, with only conservative and liberal, are the rather unintelligent ones.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 18:49
Oh. Yeah, over in Germany, liberals are the conservatives cronies and lap dogs. As an American, liberals are right from center to me. In future, left, right, and center would be better...
Thanks! I'll rmember that for the future.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 18:52
Pfft. This poll assumes that the only two political positions available are "liberal" and "conservative". How distinctly American.
Hey moron! I've explained the poll, so read through the thread, and get a clue!
Eichen
15-08-2005, 18:52
Pro Gay-Rights/Marriage -Liberal ideal
Legalize Drugs -Liberal ideal
Legalize Prostitution -Liberal ideal
Legalize Gambling -Liberal ideal
For Open Borders -Liberal ideal
Against Patriot Act -Liberal ideal
Against War on Iraq -Liberal ideal
Against Gun Control -Conservative ideal
Against Welfare -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Social Security -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Minimum Wage -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Taxation -Neither side is completely aginst this.
Against Big Government -Conservative ideal


HHMMMMMMM Thats a tough one! lol
As I said, I can't pigeonhole myself into either category, as they don't apply.
(To be honest, I'm not "completely" against those things in the short term, but would like to see them phased out on a longer timeline.)

Did you just call me a hack, you Libertarian nutbag?
Only to illustrate how dickwad it was to flatly state that I was "stupid" for refusing to label myself with a liberal or conservative misnomer.
Liberals and conservatives sound like authoritarian nutbags to me, but to each his own.
Copiosa Scotia
15-08-2005, 18:53
Hey moron! I've explained the poll, so read through the thread, and get a clue!

Yes, you've explained the poll quite throroughly. It's still wrong. Some of us, believe it or not, lean away from both those political philosophies.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 18:55
Au contraire--those that assume that it's a linear scale, with only conservative and liberal, are the rather unintelligent ones.
I didn't say politics was linear. I asked which ideals you felt were closer to your own. I didn't ask which way you go "up or down" on the stupid "political compass" now did I?
Eichen
15-08-2005, 18:59
I'm 21 and very liberal and I'm very afraid of libertarians!
You mean we scare you more than "the Moral Majority" of neocons in the USA? I find it strange that many on NS seem to be so much more affected by us than the overwhelming conservative majority, whom they have nothing in common with..

Go figure. :confused:
Haloman
15-08-2005, 19:09
16 and leaning conservative.
Zaxon
15-08-2005, 19:09
I didn't say politics was linear.


Actually you did--you gave us a black-or-white scale. One or the other. A VERY linear scale.


I asked which ideals you felt were closer to your own. I didn't ask which way you go "up or down" on the stupid "political compass" now did I?

Then ya call me stupid because you didn't ask the question that would actually fit your answers.

For someone that likes to toss around words like "stupid" and "moron", your wisdom is seriously lacking.
Kanabia
15-08-2005, 19:10
Hey moron! I've explained the poll, so read through the thread, and get a clue!

No. Eat my fuck.

I lean away from both.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 19:11
Then ya call me stupid because you didn't ask the question that would actually fit your answers.

For someone that likes to toss around words like "stupid" and "moron", your wisdom is seriously lacking.
I called you stupid because you apparently lack the mental power to figure out what I meant after I explained it several times. I wouldn't call someone stupid if they touched something hot, but after I explained to them that something is hot 5 times, if they burn themselves again, they are stupid.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 19:12
No. Eat my fuck.

I lean away from both.
Eat my fuck? Well, at least you got the age out there.
Zaxon
15-08-2005, 19:19
I called you stupid because you apparently lack the mental power to figure out what I meant after I explained it several times. I wouldn't call someone stupid if they touched something hot, but after I explained to them that something is hot 5 times, if they burn themselves again, they are stupid.

You asked for a political leaning one way or the other, when there are folks out there that CLEARLY don't lean on your scale.

Get over it, grow up, and learn to look at the world, instead of just assuming it's what you think it is.
Kanabia
15-08-2005, 19:20
Eat my fuck? Well, at least you got the age out there.

Hehehe. It made me laugh, anyway. That's all that matters.
James Dean land
15-08-2005, 19:27
I'm 16 and I am liberal. Both my parents are also liberal (but that does NOT mean that I agree with them on everything politically, ie. death penalty, immigrants).
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 19:46
You asked for a political leaning one way or the other, when there are folks out there that CLEARLY don't lean on your scale.

Get over it, grow up, and learn to look at the world, instead of just assuming it's what you think it is.
I asked for a political leaning, and if you don't fit into the equation, go the fuck away. Do you go to forums about cancer and tell people their polls are dumb because you don't have cancer? Talk about needing to grow up!
Zaxon
15-08-2005, 19:56
I asked for a political leaning, and if you don't fit into the equation, go the fuck away. Do you go to forums about cancer and tell people their polls are dumb because you don't have cancer? Talk about needing to grow up!

Ah, I see....

Create a poll--state in a global, general sense--and conveniently forget (or just think that the American media really knows what it's talking about and that there are really only two parties, two choices, in the universe) abount 3/4 of the political arena in the process....and don't say that it was meant to be that way, until after a whole bunch of people comment on it. Then disparage the commenters, instead of admitting that the poll was poorly written.

Got it.

25 you say? I remember when I used to know everything, too.
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 20:02
Ah, I see....

Create a poll--state in a global, general sense--and conveniently forget (or just think that the American media really knows what it's talking about and that there are really only two parties, two choices, in the universe) abount 3/4 of the political arena in the process....and don't say that it was meant to be that way, until after a whole bunch of people comment on it. Then disparage the commenters, instead of admitting that the poll was poorly written.

Got it.

25 you say? I remember when I used to know everything, too.
I didn't disparage anyone else who commented on it. Just you because you had to be a prick about it after I already explained myself to everyone else. Go back and read, I even thanked people for bringing it to my attention. I'll just thank you in advance for going away. Your more than welcome to browse all the other threads if this one is not up to your elite taste.
Swimmingpool
15-08-2005, 20:54
I'm 18-25 and "liberal leaning". I'm a democratic socialist but unlike most in that category I'm pro-military solutions to problems.

I agree with the weed sentiment, but do you REALLY want a nation of tripping people? Thats lunacy.
Just because you legalise a drug doesn't mean everyone will take it in an irresponsible fashion. It's not as if our nation is paralysed due to everyone being drunk all the time.

That makes me so sad. Most children are more liberal as liberals tend to be more idealistic. It is really depressing that people are getting disillusion so early in life.
Make no mistake, conservative kids often have bizarre ideals about how the world should be run. Realistically, the centrists tend to be most pragmatic.

Meh, take a look at George W. Bush and try to tell me he's not idealistic.
Take a look at Bush and try to tell me that he's conservative.

You mean we scare you more than "the Moral Majority" of neocons in the USA? I find it strange that many on NS seem to be so much more affected by us than the overwhelming conservative majority, whom they have nothing in common with..

Well, to me economics and the environment are much more important than silly issues like abortion and gays that. The Christian right often supports environmental protections, but libertarians don't. Also, conservatives aren't such a big majority on this forum.
Zaxon
15-08-2005, 20:54
I didn't disparage anyone else who commented on it. Just you because you had to be a prick about it after I already explained myself to everyone else. Go back and read, I even thanked people for bringing it to my attention. I'll just thank you in advance for going away. Your more than welcome to browse all the other threads if this one is not up to your elite taste.

Whatever.... :rolleyes:
Sick Dreams
15-08-2005, 23:55
Whatever.... :rolleyes:
Last word! ha ha
Zaxon
16-08-2005, 10:11
Last word! ha ha

You just continue to prove that your auto insurance cost just dropped....