NationStates Jolt Archive

Well, do you? :)

Hell no - do we get a poll?

EDIT: Smoke what, exactly? ;)

Nope never have although its mainly because I suffer from asthma

No.

no way that is a sick and discusting habit.

I do not smoke.
I do play with fireworks and/or combustible fuels on a regular basis.

Nope. I don't like smoker breath, and I don't like kissing smokers, and lets just say I'm a firm believer of The Golden Rule.

I do not smoke. Fact.

No, I do not smoke, think it is a filthy, vile habit, but I do however support the Tobacco Industry as a legitimate business. Long live capitalism.

Sorry!!

Obviously took me too much time to get the pole up, so to speak! :p

Sarah

Aye I do. A bad, bad habit I will break.

No. Smoking cigarrettes is frankly retarded. Very little pleasure for a whole lot of money, culminating in death.

I might smoke a little weed when I get to college, nothing major.

But as of now, I don't smoke anything.

No. Smoking cigarrettes is frankly retarded. Very little pleasure for a whole lot of money, culminating in death.

I might smoke a little weed when I get to college, nothing major.

But as of now, I don't smoke anything.
Ditto

Nope. I don't like smoker breath, and I don't like kissing smokers, and lets just say I'm a firm believer of The Golden Rule.
well done, have a medal. :D

oh yeah and i also dont smoke i cant really see the why you would smoke. :confused:

Why isn't this poll multiple choice?

Absolutely not. I do not smoke, never have and never will.

Why isn't this poll multiple choice?

'cause I could not be arsed to tick the multi-choice option and I like to make things biased :p

Yes to everything.

Never did and never will

I think the poll options need to be revised to differentiate between those who smoke occasionally and those who smoke a pack a day or 3 or 4 blunts a day.

If thou smoke, thou shalt be burnt tommorow at the sun set!!

*evil laugh*

Yes. You heard well. You will burn until the night of the days shalt come.
And toghether, we will destroy the Sith!
- Count Dooku, Episode II

Nope.

wow the "only spliffs etc" option is doing well :eek:
(me)


all my mates who smoked said don't take up smoking tobacco (outside of spliffs) cos its just too expensive... so i didn't bother

Only when i toke

(The gurgleing of a water pipe)

You talken to me Dude?

:cool:

I just gave up, but only because I can't be arsed with walking to the shop to buy a pack of 20 Lambert's every morning.
I smoke blow or weed when I'm offered it, but I tend not to buy my own. I guess I'm just tight and lazy, pah.

Well, do you? :)
Up until about two weeks ago, the answer was yes. But I have now quit and can actually breathe again! :D

First of all, yes, I do smoke. Cigarettes and self-rolled/sticked cigarettes. And... yeah, well, you know, never mind :D

Oh, one more question: What is blow?!?

Oh yeah, one more thing: I do have asthma and I'm really looking forward to not smoking - right now that is out of the question 'cause I really need my nicotine fix... Too many problems to quit now!

For a full answer this requires multiple choices.

Where are all the dirty-lungs? I guess I'll have to strike a blow for my eventually cancer ridden brethren.

I smoke both cigarettes and weed. I smoke about a gram of weed a week (not much, but then I don't have much money), and have cut back from a pack of cigarettes a day to about a cigarette every two days or so.

I like cigarettes, so I'm not likely to quite completely. There's nothing like a good smoke to calm you down.

Oh, one more question: What is blow?!?

Well, don't really know about blow, but I do know about Blow
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0221027/

(I am a nerd myself) Geeks and nerds (who frequent NS) tend not to smoke because they seem immune to the tobacco industry's propoganda.

But I do support it as a legit industry. Capitalism works.

No. I want to be a naval aviator, and nicotine can harm your eyes (You need uncorrected 20/20 vision to be a pilot).

smoke= :cool: =me :(

Well, I do smoke, but I can at least count on some 'redeeming' factors.

1/ Unlike many others; I did not take up smoking to 'be cool' - I actually started smoking because I had a truly difficult time. The first cigarettes I smoked were gross like nothing before, and it took me quite a long time before I learned how to properly inhale.

2/ I still consider myself a 'social smoker'. Other people do not consider themselves junkies, presume, when they only smoke a joint everytime they go out - in the same way, I do not consider myself a full smoker when I smoke mostly when I go out. Sometimes I smoke one after dinner, and during a walk or so, but that is quite unlike when I go out, when I might smoke a full pack on a single evening. Besides, as long as you still 'feel it', you're not in that much trouble yet.

3/ So smoking might cut 10-20 years of your life. I don't want to get much older than 50, maybe 60 anyway.

Still waiting for the first hardcore condescending disapproval post....

Well i havent smoked at all, never even tried a cigarette. I like to live.

Yes, I smoke. There's not much I don't smoke.

Well i havent smoked at all, never even tried a cigarette. I like to live.

There it is!

I don't smoke, but I like girls who do. I just love the smell. That sort of musty smell that smokers have, I freaking love it.

You know what I think is a disgusting habit? Drinking alcohol. It rots your brian.

Well i havent smoked at all, never even tried a cigarette. I like to live.I'm surprised to see that we are not in a minority...

I only smoke pot. It's alot healthier than cigarettes, man, you dig? The government tries to say that marijuana is causing us kids to kill/be killed, commit crimes and act stupid, but cigarettes are more hazardous to our health. Besides, smoking ganja is a groovy, far out experience.

I'm really tired of all the self ordained health police telling me how horribly behind the times I am, what with all the statistics, and the smell, and the truth.com, and my weenies gonna shrink....yadayadayada. If second hand smoke killed as effectively as some groups seem to suggest, all my enemies would be dead. They aren't.

I smoke a couple a day. A few spliffs depending on whether or not i can afford it (maybe once a month/fortnight). I smoke about 20 when i go out though. Im gonna try and cut this back to 10 though

I don't smoke. Although I do like the smell. I generaly like the smell of most things burning so it might just be that.
Also even though I do agree with capitalism I don't agree that tobacco companies should still be aloud. It has been prooven that tobacco causes canncer.

I don't smoke. Although I do like the smell. I generaly like the smell of most things burning so it might just be that.
Also even though I do agree with capitalism I don't agree that tobacco companies should still be aloud. It has been prooven that tobacco causes canncer.
Yup, and if someone wants to smoke and possibly get cancer then that is their decision, who are you to stop them?

Yup, and if someone wants to smoke and possibly get cancer then that is their decision, who are you to stop them?I'd try to stop someone trying to jump off a bridge. Would that be wrong of me?

I'd try to stop someone trying to jump off a bridge. Would that be wrong of me?
Not wrong, not right. Just something you do. I just think that if someone who knows the risks smokes then let them. It's their body, their life, and their choice. Just like with drugs.

The bridge example is ridiculous. Nobody smokes to kill themselves; they smoke in spite of the fact that they know it might well kill them.

Not wrong, not right. Just something you do. I just think that if someone who knows the risks smokes then let them. It's their body, their life, and their choice. Just like with drugs.I'd obviously take more drastic action in the case of the jumper. I do tell my smoking friends that I'm disappointed in them, though.

I'd obviously take more drastic action in the case of the jumper. I do tell my smoking friends that I'm disappointed in them, though.
What's to be dissapointed about? It's not like their drowning kittens or something.

What's to be dissapointed about? It's not like their drowning kittens or something.Shows them I care about them. It works with some of them too.

I don't smoke and will NEVER smoke in my life.

I have too many family examples to give me perfect reasons not to...

Same goes for drugs....

Nah, I don't smoke, but I'm not never go'n'a smoke.

Except cigarrettes. Those are freaking nasty as hell. Every (cig) smoker in my family has been buried from lung disease, and I personally don't like breathing out of a bottle for ten years.

But, if someone wants to smoke for themselves, go for it. Just not around me (if I can help it).

I'm fifteen by the way........

Shows them I care about them. It works with some of them too.
Good for them.

I'm suprised so many people here haven't smoked, I expected it to start strong at the top and get smaller and smaller towards the bottom.

Hey where's the option for good hand-rolled cigars?

I smoooooooooooooooooooooke weed [/wesley willis]

No and I wouldn't date anyone who smoked more than 1 of anything per day!

No, but I did try a joint once or twice.

I smoke pretty heavily, ever since I joined the Marine Corps, about 3 1/2 years ago. I do it more because people around me did and it helps to pass time.

Its a bad habit I suppose. It doesn't really effect me yet though, heck, its made me better actually. Take this for instance...

In Boot at Parris Island, I ran a 3mile in 21 minutes. I didn't smoke before that time, and obviously, I didn't smoke in boot.

Now, after 3 1/2 years of smoking, I actually run 3 in 19:20 or so. Not to mention I do 7 more pull-ups, and I do my 100 crunches at the minute marker instead of close to the two.

I'm not advocating smoking, but right now, I see no reason to quit. Maybe when I get slower or such, I will.

Oh and as for smoker's breath, I eat mints insanely anyways, always have.

And that brings me to my next point.. Go newports!

I smoke... most of these things :)

I have not met any health problems so far, and do not plan to quit. No reasons whatsoever.

I also really don't like these people intensively advocating non-smoking. That's everyone's free will whatever they want to do with themselves. These ad limitations and additional taxes are ridiculous

I'm suprised so many people here haven't smoked, I expected it to start strong at the top and get smaller and smaller towards the bottom.

It's actually more than average. Around 27% of the people here smoke on a regular basis, compared to real life where the figure (in Australia at least) is around 20%. And that's not counting the people who regularly smoke marijuana alone.

EDIT - Though yes, random samples, and all that...a smoker is probably more likely to answer the poll than a non smoker.

i started smoking when i was 11 not a good idea considering i have bad asthma and well nearly a year after quiting i am still feeling the efects pretty badly, i was on a packet a day, so easy to get cigarettes when you work in a pub!

No, I think that smoking is a disgusting habit. I never smoked when I was younger even tho I did-mainly because I had amazing will power( no I never enough money and was too afraid of getting yellow teeth and fingers like my Mum :eek:

No and I wouldn't date anyone who smoked more than 1 of anything per day!

What if they smoked one cigar, one cigarette, one spliff, one burning tyre and some sort of bong everyday?

What if they smoked one cigar, one cigarette, one spliff, one burning tyre and some sort of bong everyday?

Then they would be dead and in in pothead heaven, so it's irrelevant. Mmmh. Rubber fumes.

no i definatley do not smoke it sucks and it is unheathy and it gives uyou yellow teeth and i could go on and on but i wont :upyours: to smoking OKAY
ahhh i fell better now

I won't feel sorry for smokers when they're lying in a hospital bed at 55 with a horrible case of emphysema or lung cancer; in fact, I'm come to laugh and poke fun at them. They did ask for it, aynways.

I smoke 1-2 cigars per week during the summer/fall, weather permiting.

Yep, smoke anything that can be rolled. In my younger days, me and this girl down the street used to try to roll anything we could find. We put any organic matter you could think of into a paper and smoked it.
Here's a small list of what we tried:

Bark:sucks, tastes like ass.
Rose petals:tastes good,makes you cough like crazy.
Dried leaves:burns too quick to get proper review.
Dirt:just don't try it.

Smokings wrong and bad you should not even attempt it blah blah blah blah blergh.

Smokers today know the risks, they know the dangers. So if they smoke, and are quite happy killing themselves in a slow and retarded way, well why not infect them with aids? Would do the same thing? :D

Alright, which smokers first?

*holds pointy needle in a menacing way.*

PS: Oh and I don't smoke,
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Mmm... I hear you Hemmingsoft... Oragano is good stuff... My friend got sold an oragano spliff in Amsterdam once... not because he's naive, but because he was already stoned off his face.

Im saddened that you havent included sheesha on your list... hookahs (or narguiles, or waterpipes) rock.

Oh, and my status... I smoke the odd joint with friends, but not habitually... I dont get why people smoke cigarettes though, except that, yes, they do feel quite nice to hold when you've got nothing else to do with your hands...

And Mr Sith... yea, great plan, except that fortunately, smoking isnt transmissive... unless you count peer pressure.

For all the pot smokers who read this, have you ever made a gravity bong?

Smokings wrong and bad you should not even attempt it blah blah blah blah blergh.

Smokers today know the risks, they know the dangers. So if they smoke, and are quite happy killing themselves in a slow and retarded way, well why not infect them with aids? Would do the same thing? :D

Alright, which smokers first?

*holds pointy needle in a menacing way.*

PS: Oh and I don't smoke,
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Don't pretend like you've never done anything unhealthy. Do you drink alcohol? Cross the road before you get the green light because you're in a hurry? Eat too much icecream or mcdonalds? Ever eaten an apple without washing it first?

You know the risks, you know the dangers....I don't smoke tobacco either, but many non-smokers think that they're perfect and don't have any unhealthy vices.

Don't pretend like you've never done anything unhealthy. Do you drink alcohol? Cross the road before you get the green light because you're in a hurry? Eat too much icecream or mcdonalds? Ever eaten an apple without washing it first?

You know the risks, you know the dangers....I don't smoke tobacco either, but many non-smokers think that they're perfect and don't have any unhealthy vices.

God bless you!!!
*hands you the peace pipe*

God bless you!!!
*hands you the peace pipe*

Woohoo! Peace pipe! :D *tokes*

*waits patiently for peace-pipe*


wow this reminds me of the old nu-hippie thread, dudes :P

*waits patiently for peace-pipe*


wow this reminds me of the old nu-hippie thread, dudes :P

Hehehehe. Awesome. We'll take over NS! First this thread, next the...um. I forget.

*tokes again*

Alright Kanabia, you've had the peace pipe a bit to long.
*Struggles with Kanabia, trying to grab peace pipe*

Alright Kanabia, you've had the peace pipe a bit to long.
*Struggles with Kanabia, trying to grab peace pipe*

Zuh? *goes to sleep and relinquishes peace pipe*

*Takes quick victory hit, then passes to Pure Metal*

For all the pot smokers who read this, have you ever made a gravity bong?

Yeah. They're convenient if you feel like a bucket but there's no bucket around, but for some reason, they're really, really harsh. I don't really like them. I prefer pipes, or ice bongs if possible.

To answer the thread question, I smoke occasionally. Maybe a cigarette or two every few weeks. Some weed every few weeks too. Definitely not a heavy smoker, but I have nothing against it.

Nope never have although its mainly because I suffer from asthma

Same here - well, I did try it for awhile when I was a kid - thought it looked cool (didn't realize how stupid I really looked). But since I do have a mild case of asthma, and get bronchitis at the drop of a hat (and have even had to be hospitalized with pneumonia once), I gave it up. But I was never addicted to it at all - found nothing addictive about it, actually.

Yeah. They're convenient if you feel like a bucket but there's no bucket around, but for some reason, they're really, really harsh. I don't really like them. I prefer pipes, or ice bongs if possible.

To answer the thread question, I smoke occasionally. Maybe a cigarette or two every few weeks. Some weed every few weeks too. Definitely not a heavy smoker, but I have nothing against it.

Gravity bongs will F*** you up quick. This is my dream when I buy a house. In one corner, place a 6 inch diameter piping along the wall, and put a solid cylinder in it, creating some sort of piston like deal and having one of those bathroom stall locking mechanism. (the ones with two slots and you lift it, slide it, then put in the second slot.) At the base will be a giant salad bowl (a bong this magnitude needs a big bowl) with a screen. Possibly hook it to the AC vents. Then you lift the piston, remove the bowl, and voila! I call it the Ultimate House Bong.

I smoke, would like to give up one day but at the moment I don't want to - enjoy my weed too much.

I don't think there are any (adult) smokers out there who really don't know there are health risks, and as someone earlier said, we all take risks every day, so I don't think smokers should be given a harder time that say, someone who likes driving their car too fast as we should all take responsibility for our own actions/decisions.

Yes. Rolling tobacco mostly. Sometimes ciggies. And the occasional hash joint.

Gravity bongs will F*** you up quick. This is my dream when I buy a house. In one corner, place a 6 inch diameter piping along the wall, and put a solid cylinder in it, creating some sort of piston like deal and having one of those bathroom stall locking mechanism. (the ones with two slots and you lift it, slide it, then put in the second slot.) At the base will be a giant salad bowl (a bong this magnitude needs a big bowl) with a screen. Possibly hook it to the AC vents. Then you lift the piston, remove the bowl, and voila! I call it the Ultimate House Bong.

Hah! Sounds awesome. I'm definitely coming to your house if you do that. See if you can get some quality Australian ganja for it. Seriously, ours is some of the best in the world. We have a great climate for it.

Hah! Sounds awesome. I'm definitely coming to your house if you do that. See if you can get some quality Australian ganja for it. Seriously, ours is some of the best in the world. We have a great climate for it.

Most definately, but here in Cincinnati Ohio, its been rough getting anything good.

*Takes quick victory hit, then passes to Pure Metal*
*tokes*

hmm...

*tokes*


we need some kind of massive peace pipe to smoke out the whole of NS with... ;)


*tokes and plots...*

Most definately, but here in Cincinnati Ohio, its been rough getting anything good.

We had a rough period here a while back when there was a major crackdown. The only way you could get it is if you knew certain people, and then you'd pay through your nose. I've only done it once in the past 4 months...

*tokes*

hmm...

*tokes*


we need some kind of massive peace pipe to smoke out the whole of NS with... ;)


*tokes and plots...*

Maybe we can rearrange my house idea into an NS idea.
Dennis Leary said it best:
"Marijuana doesn't lead to harder drugs, it lead to fucking carpentry"

Most definately, but here in Cincinnati Ohio, its been rough getting anything good.

Yeah, I've told that it can be difficult to get decent weed across a lot of the US. And you guys seem to have some wierd smoking rituals too. Do you pass to the left or the right?

I smoke about 10 a day and the occaisional joint when I meet up with old friends.
Now the thing is, I'm a curteous smoker. I will not smoke in anyone elses house, in the car if someone who doesn't smoke is there, infront of kids, at the bus stop etc etc and I will not stand preachy non smokers. Do you people think that when you come up to me and point out what I'm doing to myself that I'll suddenly throw my ciggy on the ground and scream "OMG THANKYOU, I'M SAVED". No.


Once the health nazis are finished with ciggys they'll move onto booze. Mark my words.

Yeah, I've told that it can be difficult to get decent weed across a lot of the US. And you guys seem to have some wierd smoking rituals too. Do you pass to the left or the right?

We definately pass clockwise.

I believe everyone needs to watch Dennis Leary's 'No Cure For Cancer.' Especially non-smokers, then they're understand smoker mentality.

I don't want to damage my lungs. I want to be a pro cyclist on day.
Or, at least I wish to avoid health problems caused by excesive smoking.

We definately pass clockwise.

Ahh, to the left, then. Perhaps some of bad things I've heard about American potheads aren't true! Yes, to the left is correct. "The right way is wrong"

I don't want to damage my lungs. I want to be a pro cyclist on day.
Or, at least I wish to avoid health problems caused by excesive smoking.

Nothing wrong with that dude. Best of luck, it's just that it's not for me.

I smoke about 10 a day and the occaisional joint when I meet up with old friends.
Now the thing is, I'm a curteous smoker. I will not smoke in anyone elses house, in the car if someone who doesn't smoke is there, infront of kids, at the bus stop etc etc and I will not stand preachy non smokers. Do you people think that when you come up to me and point out what I'm doing to myself that I'll suddenly throw my ciggy on the ground and scream "OMG THANKYOU, I'M SAVED". No.


Once the health nazis are finished with ciggys they'll move onto booze. Mark my words.
So your saying that beacuse your a "curteous smoker" that makes smoking alright? Lets take a more extreme example, if im a "curteous cocaine addict" does that make my addiction alright?

On a different note, what do you really gain from ciggarette smoking? I can tell you what you lose, longer life, good health, a lung and about 10$.

So your saying that beacuse your a "curteous smoker" that makes smoking alright? Lets take a more extreme example, if im a "curteous cocaine addict" does that make my addiction alright?

On a different note, what do you really gain from ciggarette smoking? I can tell you what you lose, longer life, good health, a lung and about 10$.

Though, does that give you the authority to say we shouldn't do it?

I guess people can do what they want since It's their own bodies, but they shouln't do it around other people because us non-smokers have the right to clean air. Smokers can get lung cancer for themselves and it's their own damn fault, but please spare the more intelegent population.

So your saying that beacuse your a "curteous smoker" that makes smoking alright? Lets take a more extreme example, if im a "curteous cocaine addict" does that make my addiction alright?

On a different note, what do you really gain from ciggarette smoking? I can tell you what you lose, longer life, good health, a lung and about 10$.

I would say that being a 'courteous smoker' does indeed make it alright. I would also say that if you're a 'courteous cocaine addict', that you don't hurt others to feed your habit, you don't use in public or roam around in public while you're on it, etc. I would say that it does make it alright.

If someone wants to screw up their body, it's none of your business unless it affects you, personally. And if someone is making every effort to make sure it doesn't affect you or others, what business do you have complaining?

And yes, they may well lose all those things, but it's still none of your business.

I guess people can do what they want since It's their own bodies, but they shouln't do it around other people because us non-smokers have the right to clean air. Smokers can get lung cancer for themselves and it's their own damn fault, but please spare the more intelegent population.

that's why he said he was a courteous smoker.

I would say that being a 'courteous smoker' does indeed make it alright. I would also say that if you're a 'courteous cocaine addict', that you don't hurt others to feed your habit, you don't use in public or roam around in public while you're on it, etc. I would say that it does make it alright.

If someone wants to screw up their body, it's none of your business unless it affects you, personally. And if someone is making every effort to make sure it doesn't affect you or others, what business do you have complaining?

And yes, they may well lose all those things, but it's still none of your business.
The buisness of one person is the buisness of everyone. So by your logic if someone is going to commit suicide its none of your buisness? It is my buisness beacuse they are the ones mooching all goverment provided health care(atleast here in Canada) and they also raise everyones insurance premiums(USA&Canada). Being such an isolationist in your views of people is just lazy. Apathy is the problem not the solution.

So your saying that beacuse your a "curteous smoker" that makes smoking alright? Lets take a more extreme example, if im a "curteous cocaine addict" does that make my addiction alright?

On a different note, what do you really gain from ciggarette smoking? I can tell you what you lose, longer life, good health, a lung and about 10$.

I would answer but I'd be repeating Revasser.

Although.. where does this $10 come from? Is there a $10 prize for not smoking?

I guess people can do what they want since It's their own bodies, but they shouln't do it around other people because us non-smokers have the right to clean air. Smokers can get lung cancer for themselves and it's their own damn fault, but please spare the more intelegent population.

Yeah, the more 'intelegent' population. Besides, do you know how much crap is in the air anyway? a little smoke is hardly going to do much more damadge.

The buisness of one person is the buisness of everyone. So by your logic if someone is going to commit suicide its none of your buisness? It is my buisness beacuse they are the ones mooching all goverment provided health care(atleast here in Canada) and they also raise everyones insurance premiums(USA&Canada). Being such an isolationist in your views of people is just lazy. Apathy is the problem not the solution.

Yet another reason why public health care in the US would be a bad idea. And in the US, I don't have to check the 'Everyone around me smokes' box on my insurance form. Insurance rates, assuming you actually shop around for them, are mostly based on idividual habits.

I would answer but I'd be repeating Revasser.

Although.. where does this $10 come from? Is there a $10 prize for not smoking?

I'll quit for the $10 prize!!!! Where's the $10 prize?!?!?!?!?

The buisness of one person is the buisness of everyone. So by your logic if someone is going to commit suicide its none of your buisness? It is my buisness beacuse they are the ones mooching all goverment provided health care(atleast here in Canada) and they also raise everyones insurance premiums(USA&Canada). Being such an isolationist in your views of people is just lazy. Apathy is the problem not the solution.

Funnily enough we do not live in a "Big Brother" state, well I dont anyway. And If you do a little light reading you'll find that smokers pay for most of the government provided health care through tax on cigarettes.

Forest:
In fact, when you compare tobacco tax revenues with the alleged cost of health treatment, the former far outweighs the latter. In the UK, for example, tobacco tax revenue currently stands at £7 billion a year compared with the £1.5 billion it allegedly costs to tackle 'smoking-related' diseases.

The buisness of one person is the buisness of everyone. So by your logic if someone is going to commit suicide its none of your buisness? It is my buisness beacuse they are the ones mooching all goverment provided health care(atleast here in Canada) and they also raise everyones insurance premiums(USA&Canada). Being such an isolationist in your views of people is just lazy. Apathy is the problem not the solution.

Who's being apathetic? I just know when to butt out when something is none of my business. Yes, if someone is going to commit suicide, it's none of my business. Now, if it's someone I know, then their suicide does affect me and I'll do everything I can to convince them not to, but in the end it's their decision.

And the insurance premiums thing is ridiculous. The baby boomers are currently moving into old age, and they're the largest generation in Western history and are raising everyone's premiums too. Do you think they should all choose not to take out insurance, so everyone will have lower premiums? Or people that drive cars? Car accidents kill a lot of people, and insurance premiums are undoubtedly raised because people drive cars and get killed a lot. Should people stop driving cars? When they get injured, they take up those all important public health tax dollars too. How about sex? People catch all kinds of nasty things having sex. They go to the doctor or the hospital, taking more of those public health tax dollars. Would you go around randomly preaching at people to only engage in safe sex? Would you be willing to impose a law that enforced safe sex? How about walking around in the sun without sunscreen? You can get cancer doing that too, if you do it long enough. Then you have to go have them removed, sucking yet more public health dollars and raising insurance premiums again! Would you willing to preach at people to make sunscreen mandatory? Make a law to that effect? Or electronics! There is some evidence that being around active electronics, with all those electro-magnetic fields hanging about can increase your risk of getting brain cancer. People that get cancer as a result will need health care too. More dollars sucked up! Would you want people to give up electronics? Would you give up your PC?

Would you like it people came up to and told that you should stop driving, having sex, walking around in the sun, using electronic devices because you're putting everyone's insurance premiums up and wasting public health dollars?

I know I wouldn't. I'd tell those people to bugger off and mind their own business.

*snip*

Would you like it people came up to and told that you should stop driving, having sex, walking around in the sun, using electronic devices because you're putting everyone's insurance premiums up and wasting public health dollars?

I know I wouldn't. I'd tell those people to bugger off and mind their own business.

You have been awarded the Bless you, and have a smoke at the peace pipe.

*Hands over the peace pipe*

You have been awarded the Bless you, and have a smoke at the peace pipe.

*Hands over the peace pipe*

Much appreciate. *tokes on the peace pipe*

Ahh, "health nazis" are enough to drive a man to smoke, I tell you.

yeah, I smoke. Heavily. I also drink. Being in the navy, I'm around it constantly and quite frankly, it's just easier to go with the flow on this one.

I don't make excuses. Yes it's expensive, yes it will eventually kill me. There is way to much information out there for anyone to try and pretend that smoking is in any way a good thing.

But on the flip side, anyone who goes about instantly condemning anyone who smokes is a complete twit. Do you live a completely healthy life? I doubt it. Do you drink soda constantly? Most americans do. Do some research on that. It is terrible for you. Eat at Mcdonalds lately? Most americans do. Do some research on THAT. If any human being saw what that food went through before it got to their mouths, they'd never touch it again. The point is, very few people are treating their bodies with anything close to respect these days.

Once again, I'm not condoning smoking, just putting it in perspective.

I love it that there is so much information out there letting people know how dangerous ciggarettes are. I let out a cheer every time I see one of those commercials painting Big Tobacco in a harsh light. But anyone who thinks tobacco will be going away anytime soon is drastically naive.

I saw a post somewhere on here from some jack ass ranting about how smokers are eating up the nation's health care money. I got news for you buddy, the government rakes in billions of dollars a year from cigarette sales. That is why your argument is ridiculous and why Big Tobacco is here to stay.

So your saying that beacuse your a "curteous smoker" that makes smoking alright? Lets take a more extreme example, if im a "curteous cocaine addict" does that make my addiction alright?

On a different note, what do you really gain from ciggarette smoking? I can tell you what you lose, longer life, good health, a lung and about 10$.

What I gain: luxury and comfort, peace of mind knowing that I have free choice. Occassional smoking break in yard in stressful situations. Nicotine+coffee can keep me awake when I need to work 36 hours. I will not discuss what I gain from weed: there are other threads for that.

What I loose? longer life?
don't care about that.
good health?
I have other opinions about health, which are too long to be discussed here (health is dependent from mental attitude, not from outer effects. tested and tried)

lung?
I haven't lost it. no proof.

10$?
easy.

p.s. I loose more for government taxes. maybe ban them?!

Your opinions on the bad side of smoking are not proven enough for it to be considered bad.

my country is currently trying to ban smoking in public this annoys me as a car for example produces 300 times the amount of carbon monoxide than 10 packets of cigs
health nazis piss me off
"dont you know ur killing urself? "
yes! arthritis, senial dementia, carpal-tunnel sydrome and parkinsons all run in my family and are generally heredetory in the male line,
i do not wish to grow old!

whilst i believe that everyone has to write to choose whether they smoke or be around people who smoke i find non-smokers who think they have the right tell me constantly that i shouldn't be doing it more than a little annoying.

i would consider myself more a social smoker and in my opinion there isn't much better in life then a cocktail and a marlborough red before a good night out.

however if you don't want to inhale my smoke leave me in peace with my cocktails and cigarettes.

No and I never will.

no partially as its dum to smoke as it kills you

but also as I'm allergic to it so it bugs me more then most (it has much the same affect as teargas its not good)

So your saying that beacuse your a "curteous smoker" that makes smoking alright? Lets take a more extreme example, if im a "curteous cocaine addict" does that make my addiction alright?

Addiction is different. You can't assume "smoker=addict" and thus compare anyone who smokes with anyone who has an addiction. That's like... assuming anyone who's homeless is a criminal and then using that to compare homelessness with exterminating 6 million Jews.

I only smoke weed. Smoking cigarettes is stupid, because it's very little pleasure, a health disaster, and costs a bomb.

I don't smoke anything at all. Its so unecessary.

No. I want to be a naval aviator, and nicotine can harm your eyes (You need uncorrected 20/20 vision to be a pilot).

smoke= :cool: =me :(

Naval aviator = naviator? :)

I occasionally indulge in a bit of the green, myself. :D

I can't fathom how anybody survives long enough to get addicted to nicotine. My god... I tried smoking a cigarette once, I thought I was gonna die! That stuff is horrible! :eek:

I'd smoke pot if it was legal.

Addiction is different. You can't assume "smoker=addict" and thus compare anyone who smokes with anyone who has an addiction. That's like... assuming anyone who's homeless is a criminal and then using that to compare homelessness with exterminating 6 million Jews.

Godwin's Law is now in effect! :D

Actually, smoker = addict is a pretty good assumption. Do you have any idea how terribly addictive nicotine is? Not that I object to those who want to smoke, go right ahead, it's your body.

Though I wish we'd get over our hypocritical 'war on drugs', and just decrim and regulate the whole ball of wax. Imagine how much tax revenue we'd be raking in, then! :D

Nope never have although its mainly because I suffer from asthma
Me too... It's an ironic world we live in, who'd have thought the burden of asthma would ever offer salvation against lung cancer??!! :p

I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't smoke weed. I might have a cigar now and then, but that's it. I would gladly never have another cigar again if my locale banned smoking entirely. Let them. People have the choice of whether they want to smoke or not. People don't have the choice of whether they want to be allergic to cigarette smoke or not.

Also, the pollution argument doesn't make quite as much sense when you take into account that people use their cars to get themselves to work. Or a lot of them do, anyway. Cigarettes have no positive value to the economy except to tobacco companies. They also seem to cut down on productivity, what with people forced to take additional breaks to smoke (and those who are allowed to smoke at their desks have to do so in private, lest they hurt the productivity of those who do not smoke.)

I also don't think it's a civil rights issue, since civil rights are for things that don't tangibly hurt anyone else. And don't tell me that secondhand smoke is not harmful. Say what you will about cancer; smoke allergies are real.

Actually, smoker = addict is a pretty good assumption. Do you have any idea how terribly addictive nicotine is?

It's not very addictive at all. Or maybe I only convince myself of that by not having the "cravings" anti-smoking commercials tell me smokers are supposed to have, or possessing the magical ability to control my own actions despite the victimhood sold to each and every American in TV, the media and government. ;) I have no magic ability, cigarettes are nowhere near as "addictive" as they're made out to be.

Notice how in commercials you'll sometimes see products that are so good that once you eat a chip or whatever "you can't stop," messages along those lines? They're a marketing device to spread the idea of their pleasurability and diminish the viewers resistance to consumerism. Well, the whole anti-cigarette campaigns is too, at least in effect if not in intent.

How many people are "addicted" to cigarettes as the PERFECT excuse to keep buying them? After all, if you're an "addict" you're a victim, you can't really be blamed for your own actions. The problem is thus: Joe, as a good propaganda obeying citizen, 'knows' that cigarettes are unhealthful and addictive. Joe likes smoking cigarettes, however. People, generally nonsmoking relatives, come to him demanding an excuse.

So, he offers the only one: "I'm trying to quit," which is a lie he may even believe, but which spreads the idea to others that he's a helpless addict. He can't say "I like smoking," because to most people trying to control you, your wants are not important. He can't deny it very well, and so he passes his own choices off as 'symptoms' and gets on with "trying" to quit. And of course because of all this media attention (negative, but still attention) and prohibition it raises the allure of cigarettes in the first place.

If I were in charge of a tobacco company, I would push marketing - excuse me, public health services - commercials on elementary and junior high school kids all the time! Ones that told how evil cigarettes are, and how once you pop you CAN'T stop!! It's brilliant and I'd make a fortune. :)

/rant

I genuinely think this was just a poll...nobody will ever convince anyone to smoke, or not to, on an internet forum.

No Way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's not very addictive at all. Or maybe I only convince myself of that by not having the "cravings" anti-smoking commercials tell me smokers are supposed to have, or possessing the magical ability to control my own actions despite the victimhood sold to each and every American in TV, the media and government. ;) I have no magic ability, cigarettes are nowhere near as "addictive" as they're made out to be.

Notice how in commercials you'll sometimes see products that are so good that once you eat a chip or whatever "you can't stop," messages along those lines? They're a marketing device to spread the idea of their pleasurability and diminish the viewers resistance to consumerism. Well, the whole anti-cigarette campaigns is too, at least in effect if not in intent.

How many people are "addicted" to cigarettes as the PERFECT excuse to keep buying them? After all, if you're an "addict" you're a victim, you can't really be blamed for your own actions. The problem is thus: Joe, as a good propaganda obeying citizen, 'knows' that cigarettes are unhealthful and addictive. Joe likes smoking cigarettes, however. People, generally nonsmoking relatives, come to him demanding an excuse.

So, he offers the only one: "I'm trying to quit," which is a lie he may even believe, but which spreads the idea to others that he's a helpless addict. He can't say "I like smoking," because to most people trying to control you, your wants are not important. He can't deny it very well, and so he passes his own choices off as 'symptoms' and gets on with "trying" to quit. And of course because of all this media attention (negative, but still attention) and prohibition it raises the allure of cigarettes in the first place.

If I were in charge of a tobacco company, I would push marketing - excuse me, public health services - commercials on elementary and junior high school kids all the time! Ones that told how evil cigarettes are, and how once you pop you CAN'T stop!! It's brilliant and I'd make a fortune. :)

/rant

I couldn't have said it better than myself. BTW, I am a smoker. I like smoking. I am not a victim. I happen to find it pleasurable. 'Nuff said. I guess that's why I make my living in the tobacco industry.

It's not very addictive at all. Or maybe I only convince myself of that by not having the "cravings" anti-smoking commercials tell me smokers are supposed to have, or possessing the magical ability to control my own actions despite the victimhood sold to each and every American in TV, the media and government. ;) I have no magic ability, cigarettes are nowhere near as "addictive" as they're made out to be.
Hehe, true, true... and not everyone is as susceptible to addiction as others. Now, I'm speaking of physiological addiction, not psychological addiction... kind of like how I'm most certainly addicted to caffeine. If I don't have at least one cup of coffee on any given day, I'll eventually go down for the count with a catastrophic headache. Ow. :)

It's not like I'm a coffee-zombie, and I have no choice but to drink coffee. I still have the choice, but if I make the wrong one (right one?), I suffer for it. :D

And again, I have no problem with people who want to smoke... I can hardly criticize, what with my own, above-admitted addiction, huh? :D

Hehe, true, true... and not everyone is as susceptible to addiction as others. Now, I'm speaking of physiological addiction, not psychological addiction... kind of like how I'm most certainly addicted to caffeine. If I don't have at least one cup of coffee on any given day, I'll eventually go down for the count with a catastrophic headache. Ow. :)

Headaches can largely be psychosomatic reactions though.. might be pyschological or mostly so, no?

It's not like I'm a coffee-zombie, and I have no choice but to drink coffee. I still have the choice, but if I make the wrong one (right one?), I suffer for it. :D

True, but if you really wanted to stop drinking caffeine you would, suffer or no. The human will to get something done is greater than all temptation! At least, it can be. For caffeine you might want to try weaning yourself off by drinking less each week, give it maybe three weeks where you start out at full coffee drinking, then drink one cup less next week, etc. Works pretty well, you can even avoid the headaches you get from a cold turkey attempt. Unless you like drinking coffee, like I like smoking, in which case we'll never stop until we say so damn it! :D

I don't really like them. I prefer pipes, or ice bongs if possible.
Kids!

Where are all the old stoners to guide these wayward youths?

Always use luke warm water in your bong. Ice cold water may seem tempting to cool the smoke, but it disloves some of the Cannibinols out of the smoke and doesn't do as good a job of removing carcinogens as warm water.

Ice water or *shudder* alcohol (it removes a lot of cannibinols) are only used by rookies that haven't learned better.


BTW gravity bongs are harsh because they don't filter the smoke through the water at all, they just use it as a medium to gather a large quantity of smoke and then slam it into your lungs.

I friggin' HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE SMOKING!!!! :mad: :gundge:

And I DEFINITELY wish to ANNIHILATE ALL those who DO smoke--including loved ones!

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:p :D :p

Ice water or *shudder* alcohol (it removes a lot of cannibinols) are only used by rookies that haven't learned better.


I once used beer as bongwater. Hehehe. I didn't do it again.

I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't smoke weed. I might have a cigar now and then, but that's it. I would gladly never have another cigar again if my locale banned smoking entirely. Let them. People have the choice of whether they want to smoke or not. People don't have the choice of whether they want to be allergic to cigarette smoke or not.

Also, the pollution argument doesn't make quite as much sense when you take into account that people use their cars to get themselves to work. Or a lot of them do, anyway. Cigarettes have no positive value to the economy except to tobacco companies. They also seem to cut down on productivity, what with people forced to take additional breaks to smoke (and those who are allowed to smoke at their desks have to do so in private, lest they hurt the productivity of those who do not smoke.)

I also don't think it's a civil rights issue, since civil rights are for things that don't tangibly hurt anyone else. And don't tell me that secondhand smoke is not harmful. Say what you will about cancer; smoke allergies are real.

I don't have a choice on being allergic to cheap perfume (ie. Colgne, Eau de Toilette, and Eau de Parfum). Should we make that illegal to? That's what Antihistamines (ie. Allegra, Claritin) and Corticosteroids (ie. Flonase, Nasonex) are for.

Yes, Tobacco is a luxury item. However it is not useless to the economy. In fact, as smokers we pay the majority of taxes that the government uses to pay for many public services (or so they say). I always find it funny that the Government uses the excuse that they want you to stop smoking by raising the taxes. But in reality they don't want you to stop smoking because then half their income would be gone, and it has become politically correct to go after smokers for this extra money. It's the easy way out.

Meanwhile, my state (Michigan) is now in big time debt, anyway. If the 30% of Michigan residents that do smoke now were to all stop, (btw, tobacoo taxes here in MI are $2.00 per pack for cigarettes, and 32% on the wholesale price for OTP [Other Tobacco Products]) the state's financial situation would really be in the shitter. Then I'd hear nothing but complaints from people as their state and property taxes are raised to overcome the deficit from no tabacco tax income.

I don't know why people seem to think that smoking hurts productivity. The last time I had a job where I couldn't smoke while I was working the only time I smoked cigarettes was on the breaks that I would have gotten anyway, smoker or not.

However, I must agree with you on the pollution factor. A friend of mine is an EPA testing consultant for the US government. His job is to go around and test the air quality in workplace environments. He told me that the allowable amount of Carbon Monoxide in our air is 3 times the amount of Carbon Monoxide that one could get from smoking a whole Marlboro Red Cigarette, Full Flavor. Sorta makes you wonder why one of the Surgeon General's Warning is: "Cigarette smoke contains Carbon Monoxide."

I personally LMAO whenever I see this warning on packs now. Just makes me want to smoke more.