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http://gr.bolt.com/articles/violence/violence.htm

Seriously, how can they claim videogames cause violence when youth crime has been DROPPING for the last 10 years? It just doesn't make sense!

Very nice artical.

Anyone who thinks video games cause violance is a turd. Theres just no evidance to back it up.

They do seem to influence spelling though. :p

And the Democrats want the government to get involved in censoring them ...

http://gr.bolt.com/articles/violence/violence.htm

Seriously, how can they claim videogames cause violence when youth crime has been DROPPING for the last 10 years? It just doesn't make sense!
Yeah, this whole "Videogames make you more violent" thing is just probably a lie made up by the ESRB, to make people think that their ratigs should be the law. Down with the ESRB!!!

And the Democrats want the government to get involved in censoring them ...

Ha! I'm glad our political parties aren't as screwed up as yours.

Oh...wait...

http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=6066

:(

Lol, i dont think that videogames corrupt however they can influnce oppinions i believe, which can lead to action, however on the whole, videogames are fine, luvable nerds in the making, however i do beleive the church has some interesting ideas about using videogames influence to spread the word, in one game (sorry cant find a link, but its out their i swear!) its designed like a first person shooter but instead of shooting the person you pray for them... and if you pray enough they will not attack you, and if you pray even more you get extra lives... that scares me....

Whatever trigger is going to set a psycopath off is going to set them off. I've heard of historical cases that the killers claimed the Bible instructed them to kill.

The Democrats are a bunch of bumbling fools . They should concentrate on finding a candidate someone might vote for instead of this stupid crap...unless of course they are trying to guarantee they will never win an election . Miserable bunch of pedophiles and feltchers that they are .

do they not remember their own pre-video-game youth where they played "Cowboy and indian" all summer long. they had actual cap-guns in their hands pointed at another kid. did THEY grow up to be outlaws?

when i was in grade school in the 60s the boys loved to play "world war 2". they would be outside at every recess pretending to machine gun each other into hamburger. many of them had serious nazi obsessions. did they grow up to be neo-nazis? NO. they grew up to be regular citizens just like anyone else.

so how is sitting in the living room pressing buttons while pretending to kill "whatever" any different. are these kids utterly different from their parents and grandparents? i dont think so. some kids will grow up to be killers; the vast majority will grow up to be regular citizens just like anyone else.

Viedo Games will save our lives when aliens invade:

Soldier: Aliens are coming! I can shoot them with our awesoem anti-alien ray guns!
Commander: My god, is there anyone on earth who can use this half-life 2 oriented shooting display?
Youth(and possibly adults): We can! *commence Half-Life 2 pwning*

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!

Viedo Games will save our lives when aliens invade:

Soldier: Aliens are coming! I can shoot them with our awesoem anti-alien ray guns!
Commander: My god, is there anyone on earth who can use this half-life 2 oriented shooting display?
Youth(and possibly adults): We can! *commence Half-Life 2 pwning*

VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!
Give me a crowbar, gravity gun, and a magnum, and I'll stop that alien invasion single-handedly. :D

Just watch TV with the US military showing images of them blowing Iraqi and Afghan cities to little pieces - that's acceptable. It's not that different to the video games.

Now I have to kill some Nazis in RTCW ...

The Economist did a very good article on this subject just recently - anybody else read it?

basically it said videogames causing violence is a load of BS and the negativity just the standard way "old people" react to new mediums of entertainment or information.

The Economist did a very good article on this subject just recently - anybody else read it?

basically it said videogames causing violence is a load of BS and the negativity just the standard way "old people" react to new mediums of entertainment or information.
i have the issue here but i havent read it yet. i was afraid that they would be on the side of the idiots who think that video games are the tool of satan.

i shoulda had more faith.

Just watch TV with the US military showing images of them blowing Iraqi and Afghan cities to little pieces - that's acceptable. It's not that different to the video games.

Now I have to kill some Nazis in RTCW ...

Bah, it's funner to a be Nazi and kill other soldiers. Mostly because I love the Kar98k. :D

The Democrats are a bunch of bumbling fools . They should concentrate on finding a candidate someone might vote for instead of this stupid crap...unless of course they are trying to guarantee they will never win an election . Miserable bunch of pedophiles and feltchers that they are .

Flamebait is not acceptable. Officially Warned.

I don't think violence in popular Video Games is a cause of corruption in the youth, but I do think it an appropriate symptom of the disease. I mean, though I hate to bring Grand Theft Auto up again, what is it about killing other people that makes these games popular? GTA is among the best-sellers in the market today by and large because of its content (with hype certainly playing a small part, but all that does is make what the game is about publicly known). Surely there must be something already existing within our society that this kind of simulator fulfils.

If anything, we should be thankful for violent video games for bringing this problem to the forefront, not blaming them as the cause of it. Though, admittedly, capitalising off such a problem is reproachable.

'course I'm an MMORPG player, and social interactions there can be pretty enlightening as to the Cause and Effect of people's actions.

I don't think violence in popular Video Games is a cause of corruption in the youth, but I do think it an appropriate symptom of the disease. I mean, though I hate to bring Grand Theft Auto up again, what is it about killing other people that makes these games popular? GTA is among the best-sellers in the market today by and large because of its content (with hype certainly playing a small part, but all that does is make what the game is about publicly known). Surely there must be something already existing within our society that this kind of simulator fulfils.

While violence is the prime thematic element of the GTA games, I'm not sure that that's the primary factor behind their popularity. Guys are the main consumers of most kinds of video games, whether violent or not, because they appeal to our sense of space.

Even the very first GTA game for PS2 was chocked full of non-violent challenges such as scavenger hunts, car jumps, and races that appeal to our sense of space and physics. GTA was revolutionary not in that it lets you be the bad guy, but in that it gives you so much freedom to go wherever you want. Even when you "beat" the game, it continues without much purpose whatsoever. You simply drive around trying to find ramps you haven't jumped over yet, packages you haven't found yet, and, yes, killing sprees you have yet to spree.

But there's alot more to it than just the violence. A lot of gamers have become spoiled by the GTA format when they play other games and find them horribly limited in their opportunities for exploration. It was one of the biggest criticisms of the Revenge of the Sith game. And when other games try to emulate GTA, the criticism is rarely a lack of "action" but of inferior physics or less well designed environment layouts. e.g. True Crime Streets of LA. The city in that game is far larger than any city in any of the GTA games, and yet it fails to satisfy. There's nothing to do in most of it, and so much of it goes unexplored that you rarely get a sense of the whole city. It's very gratifying in the GTA games to start out lost in an unfamiliar place and slowly get to know where everything is. It gives one a feeling of actually being there as opposed to playing a game based on there.

Well, I'm not writing a doctoral thesis here, so I'll just leave my $0.02 ther.

Even the very first GTA game for PS2 was chocked full of non-violent challenges such as scavenger hunts, car jumps, and races that appeal to our sense of space and physics.
That was the THIRD GTA...

GTA was revolutionary not in that it lets you be the bad guy, but in that it gives you so much freedom to go wherever you want.
..as a gangster...

While violence is the prime thematic element of the GTA games, I'm not sure that that's the primary factor behind their popularity. Guys are the main consumers of most kinds of video games, whether violent or not, because they appeal to our sense of space.

Even the very first GTA game for PS2 was chocked full of non-violent challenges such as scavenger hunts, car jumps, and races that appeal to our sense of space and physics. GTA was revolutionary not in that it lets you be the bad guy, but in that it gives you so much freedom to go wherever you want. Even when you "beat" the game, it continues without much purpose whatsoever. You simply drive around trying to find ramps you haven't jumped over yet, packages you haven't found yet, and, yes, killing sprees you have yet to spree.

But there's alot more to it than just the violence. A lot of gamers have become spoiled by the GTA format when they play other games and find them horribly limited in their opportunities for exploration. It was one of the biggest criticisms of the Revenge of the Sith game. And when other games try to emulate GTA, the criticism is rarely a lack of "action" but of inferior physics or less well designed environment layouts. e.g. True Crime Streets of LA. The city in that game is far larger than any city in any of the GTA games, and yet it fails to satisfy. There's nothing to do in most of it, and so much of it goes unexplored that you rarely get a sense of the whole city. It's very gratifying in the GTA games to start out lost in an unfamiliar place and slowly get to know where everything is. It gives one a feeling of actually being there as opposed to playing a game based on there.

Well, I'm not writing a doctoral thesis here, so I'll just leave my $0.02 ther.
That seems fair enough; the non-linearity yet purposefulness and the technical execution are other attractions. I do wonder though if your take on it is shared by the majority of the game's owners... Back when the first one came out, I remember some other kid in class preaching the glories of "knocking people down for points", as if this was something he'd always wanted to do but never had the chance.

Almost all of the twists and turns of the game are related to some form of criminality. If you wouldn't find that enjoyable, you wouldn't play it for any length of time or rate it very highly, no matter how much variety and scope the interactive experience brings. There's something about screwing other people over for your own interests that keeps them playing. That is the problem, and it exists indepentantly of the game itself.

It's a pity Clinton isn't reading this. Maybe I'll have to email her. >>;

hey u know probably because games came out all the kids are inside playing videos and to busy to kill eachother :D lol. and becuase there playing game the just kill people in the game and not in realy life. they can take ther agression on a game lol.ino this so8nds pretty stupid but meh. fuck off