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No Qaeda link to London bombs?

The Holy Womble
13-08-2005, 20:14
Report: No Qaeda link to London bombs (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3126731,00.html)

Groups behind July 7 terror attacks, failed attempt to strike two weeks later, apparently acted independently, British newspaper reports

By Reuters

Groups behind the July London bomb attack that killed 52 people and a failed attempt to strike again soon after appear to have been acting independently of an al-Qaeda mastermind abroad, a newspaper reported on Saturday.

The Independent, quoting police and intelligence officials, said it was also likely that four July 7 suicide bombers were probably not linked to another group of four who failed to blow up explosives on buses and underground trains two weeks later.

But some of the report's conclusions were questioned by a terror analyst, who said it would be difficult for Islamic terrorists in Britain to prepare and set off explosive devices without some training in Pakistan, Afghanistan or elsewhere.

The newspaper said police and intelligence sources felt the fact there was no leader from abroad showed how other "self-sufficient" units could be hiding in Britain.

"All the talk about 'Mr Bigs' and al-Qaeda masterminds looks like something from a film script at the moment," the newspaper quoted a police source as saying.

"Of course, things could change if new intelligence comes through, but it looks increasingly as if these people were largely working on their own. It is not something we expected."

Four young British Muslims blew themselves up on three London underground trains and a bus on July 7, killing 52 people. An apparent bid to repeat the attacks on July 21 failed and police have arrested four people they say were behind it.

The newspaper report quoted one counter-terrorist source as saying: "the key point is that the events were not connected. It appears they were self-contained, rather than being organized by some kind of mastermind."

The attacks have raised alarm in Britain that terrorists are living and operating in the country. Police have yet to establish whether they are acting alone or being directed by international networks like al Qaeda.

Crude devices

A police spokesman said they were investigating several lines of inquiry and would not comment on the details of the newspaper report. He would not rule them out either.

But a terrorism expert who did not want to be named said it took time and knowledge to prepare such attacks, and would not rule out the involvement of a foreign-trained mastermind putting the plots together either, possibly from inside Britain.

"They're crude devices, but I think there is a mistaken belief that you can just go on the Internet and download these things," he said.

"It was possible that they (the two groups of bombers) are not linked, but it's inconceivable that you could just spontaneously get a group of people together in two weeks, get the material, build the devices and carry out the attacks."

He said that "the old al-Qaeda" had been "shattered" after U.S. military action in Afghanistan and the crackdown on Islamic groups in neighboring Pakistan since 2001.

But that did not mean that people who lived and trained in those countries could not now be operating in Britain.

He said both sets of men suspected of being behind the attacks were not particularly well educated and described them as "misfits".

"People like that generally aren't capable of building bombs. There is definitely someone who has catalyzed them, who has given advice on materials, provided technical expertise and maybe paid for all this," he said.

"I wouldn't rush to discount the idea that there is a mastermind or puppet master somewhere, it just may not fit the traditional description.

"The ringleader may be someone who lives in this country and spent sometime in somewhere like Pakistan or Afghanistan where they honed these skills."
Sydenzia
13-08-2005, 20:18
Just so you know, it's generally frowned upon to just post an article, if you don't include commentary for discussion and debate.
Aryavartha
13-08-2005, 20:21
HW

My bird tells me that the first bombing and the next round was masterminded by the patrons of LeT. That's all I can say. Figure that out and you can figure many things out.
Evil Arch Conservative
13-08-2005, 20:27
More then one terrorist organization is out to get the western world. Now what? Were the British authorities expecting an al-Qaeda connection, or didn't they comment on it until now?
Utracia
13-08-2005, 20:34
Every bombing doesn't have to be Al-Qaeda. There are other groups of murderers out there who wouldn't mind striking. Osama is not everywhere.
The Holy Womble
13-08-2005, 20:47
HW

My bird tells me that the first bombing and the next round was masterminded by the patrons of LeT. That's all I can say. Figure that out and you can figure many things out.
Not sure what you're referring to as LeT. But judging by the latest moves made by the British government, someone there seriously suspects Hizb ut-Tahrir. Which is VERY likely to be the case.
Kroisistan
13-08-2005, 20:48
Osama is not everywhere.

That's just what THEY want's us to think... :shiftyeyes:
Celtlund
13-08-2005, 20:52
I would prefer to wait for an official report to be released rather than speculate. Only problem with the press is official reports aren't usually newsworthy as speculation.
Somewhere
13-08-2005, 21:37
As soon as the attacks started, I'm sure the government wanted everybody to think it was the foreign bogeymen who are responsible. All you have to do is look at the way our politicians have been fawning over the self-sppointed muslim community 'leaders' to show you this. I hope people realise now that the problem in this country has never been Al-Quaeda, the enemy is within.
Aryavartha
13-08-2005, 21:54
Not sure what you're referring to as LeT. But judging by the latest moves made by the British government, someone there seriously suspects Hizb ut-Tahrir. Which is VERY likely to be the case.

I am referring to Lashkar-e-Toiba (Army of the Pure, a.k.a Jamaat-ud-Dawa) -a member of IIF (Islamic International Front) organised by Osama and others (guess who) in late 90s - an umbrella organisation comprising of many anti-Indian orgs like LeT (originally started for the pupose of "liberating" Kashmir and muslims "suffering" under Indian rule), Jaish-e-Mohammed and harket-ul-Mujahideen, Harkat-ul-Jihad-al-Islami and then the anti-shia sectarian orgs like Lashkar-e-Janghvi and Sipah-e-Sahaba and the usual suspects - taliban, Muslim brotherhood etc and even unusual suspects like Jemaah Islamiya in Indonesia etc.

more here
http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/usa/IIF.htm

under this arrangement, men, material, money and ideology of the various terrorist orgs mentioned above can be shared. Targets are also shared. Hence my belief that the latest UK attacks were masterminded by LeT instead of AQ directly. It is to be clearly understood that AQ != IIF. This is a commonly made mistake.

see here
http://www.observerindia.com/analysis/A439.htm

It is important to make a distinction between the Al Qaeda and the International Islamic Front (IIF) . One should not treat the two as one and the same. The IIF adapted the united front tactics of communist insurgencies to suit the operational needs of jihadi terrorist organisations. Thus was born the international jihadi terrorist network. The IIF ideology has three components--- loyalty first to religion; religious solidarity; and recognition of only the frontiers of Islam and not national frontiers. The IIF feels that its perception of the Islamic Ummah as an organic whole gives the Muslims the right to go and wage jihad anywhere to protect their religion and their co-religionists.

One should avoid over-projecting the role of bin Laden in the international jihadi terrorist movement, thereby giving him a larger than life-size image and an air of invincibility. Amongst large sections of the Islamic world, he commands more respect as a good jihadi commander than as a good religious leader. As a religious leader, Mulla Mohammad Omar, the Amir of the Taliban, commands more respect and following than bin Laden. bin Laden tells Muslims in his messages how to be good jihadi fighters and not how to be good Muslims.

In judging the success of the so-called war against terrorism or the lack of it, the question to be asked is not whether Al Qaeda and its command and control are weakening. It is whether the motivation and morale of the global jihadi movement against the US are weakening. It is not so as could be seen from the seemingly unending flow of volunteers for suicide missions.

Hizb ut Tahrir could be a suspect of this, but the fact that the trainees were trained at LeT facilities (see http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=431950) and probably met JeM planners as per some other reports means that looking for individual suspects is probably not a good thing. This looks like a join operation, meaning one terrorist org provide training, one provides transit facilities, one provide foot soldiers...like that.

Hizb may have provided foot soldiers. They have a good recruition infrastructure in UK.