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U.S. military finds insurgent chemical site in Iraq (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/13/iraq.chemicals/index.html)

That's right ladies and Gentlemen. The US military raided a chemical factory that the Insurgency had.

BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Coalition forces have found more than 1,500 gallons of various chemicals in what officials believe is an insurgent chemical production facility and storage sites, the U.S. military said Saturday.

I don't think this is farm chemicals or fertilizer we're talking about here.

The investigators are not speculating on what type of chemicals they are until the testing is done.

Good news that we shut this one down but how many more of these are there and how long has this one been in operation?

BAGHDAD, Iraq — U.S. forces raided an insurgent facility that may have been producing an unspecified type of chemicals, the U.S. military said Saturday. It was unclear what was being produced or whether the materials were intended for weapons, the statement added.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,165635,00.html

What are your thoughts?

From the three chemicals listed in the CNN article I would assume that they were making explosives.

From the three chemicals listed in the CNN article I would assume that they were making explosives.

So it would appear DcD. I'm glad we busted up this op but how many more are there?

There is far too much irony in this for my little head to grasp...

There is far too much irony in this for my little head to grasp...

What do you mean CSW?

So it would appear DcD. I'm glad we busted up this op but how many more are there?
Personally I see the fact that the terrorists need to make their explosives from scratch as a good sign. It could mean that they're unable to bring explosives in from other coutntries.

So once again you can see the "balanced" reporting of FOX News. :rolleyes:

What do you mean CSW?
Let's make the assumption for a moment that it was a full blown chemical warfare factory (it isn't, but let's). So we invade a country that doesn't have chemical weapons on the pretense that it does, and while we're playing keep the peace some insurgents manage to sneak in precursors to chemical warfare weapons right under our noses and begin to produce the very same things that we declared war to eliminate, which never existed in the first place.


Quite funny and highly ironic, if it was true.

Personally I see the fact that the terrorists need to make their explosives from scratch as a good sign. It could mean that they're unable to bring explosives in from other coutntries.
Or that they are using up explosives that they imported at such a large rate that they need to supply more. Sheesh, they already ran through that 10 tons of high explosive material we 'lost' after the war?

So the chemical weapons plants started being built after we invaded!

The sweet irony.

Or that they are using up explosives that they imported at such a large rate that they need to supply more. Sheesh, they already ran through that 10 tons of high explosive material we 'lost' after the war?
Ten tons isn't all that much if you think about it. It's like 10 2000 pound bombs. I'd bet we dropped more than that in the first day of the war.

Ten tons isn't all that much if you think about it. It's like 10 2000 pound bombs. I'd bet we dropped more than that in the first day of the war.
Considering that the insurgants aren't dropping 2000 pound bombs, and are rather using 1-10 pound IEDs (A little bit does go a long way)...

Personally I see the fact that the terrorists need to make their explosives from scratch as a good sign. It could mean that they're unable to bring explosives in from other coutntries.

That appears to be the case though they are getting some of their weapons from Iran. The Syrian border is now under our crosshairs but the Iranian border really isn't.

It'll be interesting to see where this investigation leads.

So once again you can see the "balanced" reporting of FOX News. :rolleyes:

CNN is my first link and Fox news is my 2nd link.

CNN is my first link and Fox news is my 2nd link.

I know. I just see the different writing styles. CNN says "suspected insurgent" and FOX just leaps on the bandwagon and calls it "insurgent." Just noticing the differences.

I know. I just see the different writing styles. CNN says "suspected insurgent" and FOX just leaps on the bandwagon and calls it "insurgent." Just noticing the differences.
I doubt that this is santa claus' factory that we've stumbled upon.

I doubt that this is santa claus' factory that we've stumbled upon.

Even if it seems obvious what the answer is, until confirmation neutrality must be kept in reporting.

I know. I just see the different writing styles. CNN says "suspected insurgent" and FOX just leaps on the bandwagon and calls it "insurgent." Just noticing the differences.

Well....even the military is saying its an insurgent plant so.....

So once again you can see the "balanced" reporting of FOX News. :rolleyes:



So...to be fair and balanced, you have to ignore pretty much any evidence in support of the war?

So...to be fair and balanced, you have to ignore pretty much any evidence in support of the war?

Same answer that I gave to CSW. Press cannot jump to conclusions.

U.S. military finds insurgent chemical site in Iraq (http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/13/iraq.chemicals/index.html)

I don't think this is farm chemicals or fertilizer we're talking about here.
If you had read the CNN link you posted, it tells you what was found:

The chemicals are commonly used for industrial purposes.......

The list of chemicals included glycerin, sodium hydroxide and ethanol sulfate, he said.

The investigators are not speculating on what type of chemicals they are until the testing is done.[/i]
See above in bold.

Good news that we shut this one down but how many more of these are there and how long has this one been in operation?
The bad news is that you really don't know what this news represents. From the CNN article:

He said not enough information indicates the site, which appeared to have been abandoned six weeks ago, was a chemical weapons facility.

"We have nothing to indicate there's anything specifically going on here," he said. "We're still just in the process of analyzing things and trying to get intelligence to find out just what was going on."

In other words, this really tells us nothing other than that the US found some industrial chemicals.

What are your thoughts?
The title of this thread is a misnomer?

CNN News Title:

U.S. military finds chemical site in Iraq

Fox News Title:

U.S. Raids Alleged Chemical Plant

Corneliu's thread title:

Suspected Insurgency Chemical Factory Raided

Too funny!!

If you had read the CNN link you posted, it tells you what was found:

The chemicals are commonly used for industrial purposes.......

The list of chemicals included glycerin, sodium hydroxide and ethanol sulfate, he said.

Yes I read it but they are still CHEMICALS last I checked.


See above in bold.

See above.

The bad news is that you really don't know what this news represents. From the CNN article:

He said not enough information indicates the site, which appeared to have been abandoned six weeks ago, was a chemical weapons facility.

And they are still investigating and Checking things out. Something that I have said.

"We have nothing to indicate there's anything specifically going on here," he said. "We're still just in the process of analyzing things and trying to get intelligence to find out just what was going on."

In other words, this really tells us nothing other than that the US found some industrial chemicals.

Dangerous industrial chemicals. We were told where to find this gem from detainees that we have.

The title of this thread is a misnomer?

Title of thread is straight off of the CNN website.

CNN News Title:

U.S. military finds chemical site in Iraq

Fox News Title:

U.S. Raids Alleged Chemical Plant

Corneliu's thread title:

Suspected Insurgency Chemical Factory Raided

Too funny!!

Funny that it is a suspected Chemical factory?

Canauk? WHy do you have so much trouble praising good news? This is good news that we got the info that lead us to this place so why are you criticizing every thing that is good?

Title of thread is straight off of the CNN website.
No, you embellished the title.

CNN Title:

U.S. military finds chemical site in Iraq

Funny that it is a suspected Chemical factory?
What does the article say?

"We have nothing to indicate there's anything specifically going on here," he said. "We're still just in the process of analyzing things and trying to get intelligence to find out just what was going on."

Canauk? WHy do you have so much trouble praising good news? This is good news that we got the info that lead us to this place so why are you criticizing every thing that is good?
The fact that you are trying to make more out of this than meets the eye. You are trying to sensationalize a story that may or may not have merit by stating;

I don't think this is farm chemicals or fertilizer we're talking about here.
Were you stretching, perhaps hoping to claim that the US had actually found some of those WMD???

HUHH!!! The military themselves called it a chemical factory. They found more than 3 chemicals there you know.

And CH, I'm not stretching anything. If this was nothing then why did the detainees lead us to this find?

I like how the title of the thread reads, "Suspected" Insurgency Chemical Factory raided, but Corneliu goes on to say in his second sentence, "The US military raided a chemical factory that the Insurgency had."

Somewhere between the title and the second sentence suspicion was changed to conviction. How Corny.

Wow that's highly ironic.

If you had read the CNN link you posted, it tells you what was found:

The chemicals are commonly used for industrial purposes.......

The list of chemicals included glycerin, sodium hydroxide and ethanol sulfate, he said.


See above in bold.


The bad news is that you really don't know what this news represents. From the CNN article:

He said not enough information indicates the site, which appeared to have been abandoned six weeks ago, was a chemical weapons facility.

"We have nothing to indicate there's anything specifically going on here," he said. "We're still just in the process of analyzing things and trying to get intelligence to find out just what was going on."

In other words, this really tells us nothing other than that the US found some industrial chemicals.


The title of this thread is a misnomer?

CNN News Title:

U.S. military finds chemical site in Iraq

Fox News Title:

U.S. Raids Alleged Chemical Plant

Corneliu's thread title:

Suspected Insurgency Chemical Factory Raided

Too funny!!


Well, I'm sure cyanide and nitro-glycerin have civilian purposes too, but let's be honest here: What are the things intended for? If they were being run by insurgents, can't we assume they weren't manufacturing cosmetics or something similar?

Since this really was raided, raided on Tuesday apparently, and they did find chemicals, the evidence is pointing in that direction.

Mix Chemicals together and you can have one really deadly bomb. Not my idea of a good time by any means. Hopefully this was the only one but I'm not placing bets on it.

Well, I'm sure cyanide and nitro-glycerin have civilian purposes too, but let's be honest here: What are the things intended for? If they were being run by insurgents, can't we assume they weren't manufacturing cosmetics or something similar?

On top of that, this place was given up by detainees. If it was for peaceful means, why tell us the location of this place?