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This may be just my imagination, but why is it that it seems perfectly fine for people of any race but white to discriminate against and use derogatory terms about any other race. For example, I have seen many black and Hispanic comedians use racial slurs and derogatory names for every other race. But, it is practically taboo for a white person to say those things. Is this 'equality'? What are your thoughts?

It has to do with the intent. I've told Jewish jokes to Jewish friends of mine, black jokes to black friends. As long as it's done in jest, and the joke isn't actually claiming that one group is inferior to the othe, just magnifying a stereotype most folks will laugh along with it. People, for the most part, are not as thin-skinned as the PC police think.

First, there will always be double standards, irregardless of the situation.

Second, lets just call it 100 years of all the minorities getting back at the whites and their damned, "White Mans Burden".

In another 100 years hopefully everyone will stop with the racial slurs, and deragatory statements, and realize that it doesn't matter what the term is, or whose saying it, it still sounds foolish.

It is not "perfectly fine" for anyone to make racist comments, ever. Just because some people still do it does not make it any more acceptable.

It is not "perfectly fine" for anyone to make racist comments, ever. Just because some people still do it does not make it any more acceptable.
That's why I said it "seems perfectly fine".

No it's not equal at all and it winds me up big time. Blacks/Asians and so forth seem to be able to get away with saying what ever the feck they want whereas us native whites have to be so carefull about anything for fear of being persecuted and called racist - a small example - coffee ahhh yes order a white coffee but a black coffee ohhh noooo, a silly example but hey. In addition race crimes whenever or usually when a black person is attacked its a race hate crime but if a bunch of eg black people jump on a white guy quoting white hatred slurs its not even mentiond - just some one was attacked by a group of youths. jeeezz i could goon for ever about this but wheni get grrrr i find it difficult to get the words out ... :mad:

No it's not equal at all and it winds me up big time. Blacks/Asians and so forth seem to be able to get away with saying what ever the feck they want whereas us native whites have to be so carefull about anything for fear of being persecuted and called racist - a small example - coffee ahhh yes order a white coffee but a black coffee ohhh noooo, a silly example but hey. In addition race crimes whenever or usually when a black person is attacked its a race hate crime but if a bunch of eg black people jump on a white guy quoting white hatred slurs its not even mentiond - just some one was attacked by a group of youths. jeeezz i could goon for ever about this but wheni get grrrr i find it difficult to get the words out ... :mad:

Hope you aren't talking about the US there bud.

We need a NAAWP to balance things out :D

Hope you aren't talking about the US there bud.

No, the uk petal .......

The UK is now disgustingly trendy leftist liberal .............. say nothing for fear of beeing un PC :mad:

Heard a comedian talk about this once ... a white comedian ... name escapes me ...

He said, "White people can't use ****** because we abused the privilege."

I agree with him.

The day white people can claim to be under the yolk of 400 years of enslaved oppression and received daily scourgings while being called "honkey" or "cracker piece of shit", then I'll accept those terms to be as bad as ******.

I don't care if you weren't there and were never a part of slavery and never had family who owned slaves. That's not the point. Slavery sucks. After long enough, it gets in the blood.

We Jews still talk about our servitude in Egypt and even have whole holidays surrounding certain events pertaining to our enslavement and that was thousands of years ago! Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".

Heard a comedian talk about this once ... a white comedian ... name escapes me ...

He said, "White people can't use ****** because we abused the privilege."

I agree with him.

The day white people can claim to be under the yolk of 400 years of enslaved oppression and received daily scourgings while being called "honkey" or "cracker piece of shit", then I'll accept those terms to be as bad as ******.

I don't care if you weren't there and were never a part of slavery and never had family who owned slaves. That's not the point. Slavery sucks. After long enough, it gets in the blood.

We Jews still talk about our servitude in Egypt and even have whole holidays surrounding certain events pertaining to our enslavement and that was thousands of years ago! Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".

Beautifully said. You're my hero! :D

Heard a comedian talk about this once ... a white comedian ... name escapes me ...

He said, "White people can't use ****** because we abused the privilege."

I agree with him.

The day white people can claim to be under the yolk of 400 years of enslaved oppression and received daily scourgings while being called "honkey" or "cracker piece of shit", then I'll accept those terms to be as bad as ******.

I don't care if you weren't there and were never a part of slavery and never had family who owned slaves. That's not the point. Slavery sucks. After long enough, it gets in the blood.

We Jews still talk about our servitude in Egypt and even have whole holidays surrounding certain events pertaining to our enslavement and that was thousands of years ago! Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".

Hear, hear!

Look at it another way-these comedians can say those things about whites because in the past their grandfathers couldn't. They can get away with it because I don't care, I'm nothing like the stereotypical white guy. I can't get away with it because it will offend my friends.

But I am to the point now that if any comedian does the "white people are so lame/crazy/stupid" shtick that I walk out or turn the channel. Not that I'm offended by it, but I've heard just about every way a white person can be lame/crazy/stupid by now and it's very banal for me. It's like someone getting up on stage and telling knock-knock jokes.

What's the deal with the stereotypical white man voice they all do? All high pitched and reedy, proper grammar. Sort of like they don't think white guys have a pair.

At school, I'm the one that is always the shock jock, so to the speak. In other words, I have fun with racism.

Heard a comedian talk about this once ... a white comedian ... name escapes me ...

He said, "White people can't use ****** because we abused the privilege."

I agree with him.

The day white people can claim to be under the yolk of 400 years of enslaved oppression and received daily scourgings while being called "honkey" or "cracker piece of shit", then I'll accept those terms to be as bad as ******.

I don't care if you weren't there and were never a part of slavery and never had family who owned slaves. That's not the point. Slavery sucks. After long enough, it gets in the blood.

We Jews still talk about our servitude in Egypt and even have whole holidays surrounding certain events pertaining to our enslavement and that was thousands of years ago! Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".



Tell ya what, if you can find a live slave then I'll give that statement some credence.

Tell ya what, if you can find a live slave then I'll give that statement some credence.
Listen, sweetheart, it has to do with ancestry.

Heard a comedian talk about this once ... a white comedian ... name escapes me ...

He said, "White people can't use ****** because we abused the privilege."

I agree with him.

The day white people can claim to be under the yolk of 400 years of enslaved oppression and received daily scourgings while being called "honkey" or "cracker piece of shit", then I'll accept those terms to be as bad as ******.

I don't care if you weren't there and were never a part of slavery and never had family who owned slaves. That's not the point. Slavery sucks. After long enough, it gets in the blood.

We Jews still talk about our servitude in Egypt and even have whole holidays surrounding certain events pertaining to our enslavement and that was thousands of years ago! Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".


Hey, the Jews got a little compensation for the Egyptian slavery thing. Somebody else's country.

Okay, Jews have got a whole load of crap, but still...

KIDS: RACISM IS BAD.

Tell ya what, if you can find a live slave then I'll give that statement some credence.

Did you not pay attention to what they just said? Geeze. I guess it's a racial thing. I'll never be white (well fully) and you'll never be black so we'll never understand where each other is coming from.

Listen, sweetheart, it has to do with ancestry.



No wonder Ezekiel had to say:


Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.



Why should I have to suffer for the actions of my ancestors? My ancestors weren't even American anyway! They were native Polish, English, Italian, and Austrian! My family didn't move here until the early 20th century! Look, nobody is entitled to racial slurs; NOBODY!

Tell ya what, if you can find a live slave then I'll give that statement some credence.

Clearly you have no understanding as to what slavery does to a people. Even your Jesus commemorated and spoke of Jewish slavery 1500 years after it was over. What do you think Passover is ... a Christian jubilee?

You will find a living slave in the souls of every African who's family was forced onto this continent, had his identity stripped from him by the whip and the burdon of labor for which he received no recompense, had his grandmothers beaten and raped, had his grandfathers worked to death in the name of little more than greed and eugenics.

Your attitude disgusts me. Have they stopped teaching Christian compassion in Sunday School?

No wonder Ezekiel had to say:


Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.



Why should I have to suffer for the actions of my ancestors? My ancestors weren't even American anyway! They were native Polish, English, Italian, and Austrian! My family didn't move here until the early 20th century! Look, nobody is entitled to racial slurs; NOBODY!
I agree with you, but it seemed like you didn't understand the initial point. I say slurs and racial jokes all the time, not because I'm a racist, but because I believe that a slur or phrase is only as powerful as you make it. the sooner people realize that ******, honkey, chink, wetback, raghead, kike, Barbara Streisand, etc. are just words, the sooner we can move forward.

No wonder Ezekiel had to say:


Ezekiel 18:20 The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.



Why should I have to suffer for the actions of my ancestors? My ancestors weren't even American anyway! They were native Polish, English, Italian, and Austrian! My family didn't move here until the early 20th century! Look, nobody is entitled to racial slurs; NOBODY!

I definately agree with that. I never use them, but I can't even count on my two hands how many times a white person has called me a ****** to my face. Am I supposed to be greatful for that? People keep talking about keeping slavery in the past, but when you use the word ****** you're bringing a small peice of that to the present, so when things equalize (and they have definately started to, but we're not quite there yet) then the usage of racial slurs will begin to fade.

Clearly you have no understanding as to what slavery does to a people. Even your Jesus commemorated and spoke of Jewish slavery 1500 years after it was over. What do you think Passover is ... a Christian jubilee?

You will find a living slave in the souls of every African who's family was forced onto this continent, had his identity stripped from him by the whip and the burdon of labor for which he received no recompense, had his grandmothers beaten and raped, had his grandfathers worked to death in the name of little more than greed and eugenics.

Your attitude disgusts me. Have they stopped teaching Christian compassion in Sunday School?



I give compassion to those who need it. Shall I get started on African crimes against my family, or race? Because, let me assure you, they exist.

No it's not equal at all and it winds me up big time. Blacks/Asians and so forth seem to be able to get away with saying what ever the feck they want whereas us native whites have to be so carefull about anything for fear of being persecuted and called racist - a small example - coffee ahhh yes order a white coffee but a black coffee ohhh noooo, a silly example but hey. In addition race crimes whenever or usually when a black person is attacked its a race hate crime but if a bunch of eg black people jump on a white guy quoting white hatred slurs its not even mentiond - just some one was attacked by a group of youths. jeeezz i could goon for ever about this but wheni get grrrr i find it difficult to get the words out ... :mad:Muahahaha! It's even worse for Germans... :D

We need a NAAWP to balance things out :D

There is one. http://www.naawp.com/

"Stop expecting black people to "just get over it"."

Yes it is why they walk around with a great big chip on their shoulder ....

Quote:

"If we knew you were going to be this much trouble we would have picked our own damn cotton!"

I'd also like to point out that any black person in the Southern US over the age of, say, 21 can easily referrence a parent born under Jim Crow laws and direct grandparents who were subjected to separate bathrooms, hospitals, and even entire neighborhoods for nothing more than the color of their skin.

This wasn't some long ago time and place. This was the United States of America a mere 50 years ago. There are people alive today who have horror stories of Jim Crow. Mothers bleeding to death in a long ambulance ride because the nearby hospital was "whites only". Fathers hung on a tree by good Christian men because they looked too long at a white woman. Growing up being told that they were descendent of Ham (Noah's shamed son) and were, thus, the slave of slaves. Can you imagine? A country built on the blood and sweat of a people and when we free them, what do we give them in exchange? Not the 40 acres and a mule promised them, but rather a "Sorry, Henry, you'll have to piss in this paper cup cuz the bathroom is white's only."

The only European descendent white people I can think of who can claim to have come even close to such things are the Irish. Pretty much any other pale face with a beef can cram it.

I give compassion to those who need it. Shall I get started on African crimes against my family, or race? Because, let me assure you, they exist.Yes, pray tell how a whole continent has wronged you. And then tell us how it compares to what slavery has done to Africa.

There is one. http://www.naawp.com/



Huh....well, what do ya know? It's about time, I say. African Americans griping about slavery are just helping to keep racial tensions alive. I say we all get over our injustices to one another, and live in harmony.

The only European descendent white people I can think of who can claim to have come even close to such things are the Irish. Pretty much any other pale face with a beef can cram it.



Way to defeat the entire purpose of the civil rights movement, racist :rolleyes:

The only European descendent white people I can think of who can claim to have come even close to such things are the Irish. Pretty much any other pale face with a beef can cram it.Actually, the majority of Americans of German decent come from refugees of the 30 years war, a happy My-faith-is-better-than-your's mess.

To be honest, the Jim Crow laws, harsh as they may have been, were only a small part of the problems slavery presents, as they only affected Americans.

I give compassion to those who need it. Shall I get started on African crimes against my family, or race? Because, let me assure you, they exist.

Yes ... please ... tell me how people forced your family into a boat, crammed in like sardines with no sunlight for days at a time, fed them on little more than watery gruel, then arrived in Africa just to be paraded about and sold into a life of brutal servitude.

Go ahead ... let's hear about these "crimes".

Methinks you only give compassion when it's convenient.

I say we all get over our injustices to one another, and live in harmony.

Oh yeah ... that would be just so much easier for you, eh? Compassion of convenience. I submit to you that you're no more Christian than I am a bug-eyed alien.

Your use is at an end with me.

Look, nobody is entitled to racial slurs; NOBODY!

Have you ever used the term “St. Paddy’s Day? If you have you have used a racial slur.

Pad·dy
n. Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a person, especially a man, of Irish birth or descent.

Source: www.dictionary.com

"I'd also like to point out that any black person in the Southern US over the age of, say, 21 can easily referrence a parent born under Jim Crow laws and direct grandparents who were subjected to separate bathrooms, hospitals, and even entire neighborhoods for nothing more than the color of their skin."

Just shows that sometimes the World does not change for the better ....

"I'd also like to point out that any black person in the Southern US over the age of, say, 21 can easily referrence a parent born under Jim Crow laws and direct grandparents who were subjected to separate bathrooms, hospitals, and even entire neighborhoods for nothing more than the color of their skin."

Just shows that sometimes the World does not change for the better ....

What exactly are you implying if you don't mind me asking?

*Ignorance detection alarm ready to go off*

To be honest, the Jim Crow laws, harsh as they may have been, were only a small part of the problems slavery presents, as they only affected Americans.

Nod ... I'm focussing on the US because it's one of the last real hold outs when it comes to slavery. There are large groups of people in the US who *still* want slavery (but only black ones).

I may only take a moment and a signature to free slaves, but it can take hundreds of generations to change attitudes.

You will find a living slave in the souls of every African who's family was forced onto this continent, had his identity stripped from him by the whip and the burdon of labor for which he received no recompense, had his grandmothers beaten and raped, had his grandfathers worked to death in the name of little more than greed and eugenics.

Sounds like the English treatment of the Irish and the American treatment of the Indians and...:(

http://www.jabpage.org/features/racestat/vcrime.html

http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/crime.htm

http://www.jabpage.org/features/racestat/vcrime.html

http://home.comcast.net/~neoeugenics/crime.htm


Payback's a bitch, ain't it?

Oh yeah ... that would be just so much easier for you, eh? Compassion of convenience. I submit to you that you're no more Christian than I am a bug-eyed alien.

Your use is at an end with me.



I submit to you that you're no more of a peace-lover than a Black Panther.

Your use is at an end with me.

Huh....well, what do ya know? It's about time, I say. African Americans griping about slavery are just helping to keep racial tensions alive. I say we all get over our injustices to one another, and live in harmony.Yes, the white minority really needs an organisation to protect its rights... :rolleyes:

First, there will always be double standards, irregardless of the situation.

Second, lets just call it 100 years of all the minorities getting back at the whites and their damned, "White Mans Burden".

In another 100 years hopefully everyone will stop with the racial slurs, and deragatory statements, and realize that it doesn't matter what the term is, or whose saying it, it still sounds foolish.


But that was a differant generation. So just because other people did that your going to punish a whole new generation of people?

What exactly are you implying if you don't mind me asking?

*Ignorance detection alarm ready to go off*

As I said chip on shoulder ......
Just because I have views does not mean that I am ignorant. My views have been developed due to experience especially due to the fact how fecked up the UK is getting due to certain groups ...

I submit to you that you're no more of a peace-lover than a Black Panther.

Your use is at an end with me.

Excuse me? Are you claiming that The Black Panther Party was violent? Oh no, I'm going to have to complain about that one. When my mother went to highschool The Black Panthers gave away free food, free clothing, donated money to charity, etc. They only carried weapons to protect their neighborhoods from crooked white cops who thought that Black people were lower than shit. They were FULLLY within their RIGHT to carry firearms, as they weren't concealed and they weren't illegal models. When white people carry around guns it's just fun and games, when black people carry guns it oh no! They must be up to something! Stop with the CRAP please.

As I said chip on shoulder ......
Just because I have views does not mean that I am ignorant. My views have been developed due to experience especially due to the fact how fecked up the UK is getting due to certain groups ...

You mean the one you're in? If so that would make perfect sense.

I may only take a moment and a signature to free slaves, but it can take hundreds of generations to change attitudes.Yeah, what I'm going for is that it's going to take a heck of a lot more than any of that to get Africa where it would be without slavery. It's not only the fault of whites, but its mainly the fault of whites.

I submit to you that you're no more of a peace-lover than a Black Panther.


As peaceful a movement as the Black Panthers were, I'm going to take that as a compliment.

You're right, though ... I don't want your version of peace. Your version of peace is being able to slap another man down and then have him just get over it ... but you won't return the forgiveness. He can't hold a grudge or fight for his freedom, but you can.

Yeah ... that's just what peace is all about .... :rolleyes:

As peaceful a movement as the Black Panthers were, I'm going to take that as a compliment.

You're right, though ... I don't want your version of peace. Your version of peace is being able to slap another man down and then have him just get over it ... but you won't return the forgiveness. He can't hold a grudge or fight for his freedom, but you can.

Yeah ... that's just what peace is all about .... :rolleyes:



I also submit to you that you're a liar, who loves to distort my words to fit your own vile meaning. Racism has no place in society, which includes your reverse racism.

Yeah, what I'm going for is that it's going to take a heck of a lot more than any of that to get Africa where it would be without slavery. It's not only the fault of whites, but its mainly the fault of whites.

Nod ... much of Africa is a sad state of affairs. I have no solution, though. Not any realistic ones anyway.

I also submit to you that you're a liar, who loves to distort my words to fit your own vile meaning. Racism has no place in society, which includes your reverse racism.

I request that you provide me with your opinion on why The Black Panthers were violent, instead of just ignore my post.

Nod ... I'm focussing on the US because it's one of the last real hold outs when it comes to slavery. There are large groups of people in the US who *still* want slavery (but only black ones).

I may only take a moment and a signature to free slaves, but it can take hundreds of generations to change attitudes.

Slavery still exists in some African countries, so the US isn't the "last real holdout when it comes to slavery."

http://gbgm-umc.org/africa/gbgm082100mzbm.html

I also submit to you that you're a liar, who loves to distort my words to fit your own vile meaning. Racism has no place in society, which includes your reverse racism.

Reverse racism? My blue eyes and pale Irish skin laugh at you. My blue eyed Jewish mother laughs even harder.

I don't hate white people ... I hate *your* attitude.

[QUOTE=KejottYou mean the one you're in? If so that would make perfect sense.[/QUOTE]
Do you pride yourself on being so stereotypical of your race? :rolleyes:

Do you pride yourself on being so stereotypical of your race? :rolleyes:

I'm very proud of being stereotypically Jewish ... I even have horns!

Excuse me? Are you claiming that The Black Panther Party was violent? Oh no, I'm going to have to complain about that one. When my mother went to highschool The Black Panthers gave away free food, free clothing, donated money to charity, etc. They only carried weapons to protect their neighborhoods from crooked white cops who thought that Black people were lower than shit. They were FULLLY within their RIGHT to carry firearms, as they weren't concealed and they weren't illegal models. When white people carry around guns it's just fun and games, when black people carry guns it oh no! They must be up to something! Stop with the CRAP please.Nonono! Black people by definition may not have firearms! The constitution forbids it ... somewhere! [/sarcasm]

Do you pride yourself on being so stereotypical of your race? :rolleyes:

HAHA! You're one to talk! HAHA that's the funniest thing I've seen all day! Man, I'm just playing your game. I have nothing against white people, but you sure as HELL have a lot against people who have darker skin than you. So please, get the hell out of my face with that. :rolleyes: So damn typical of you to blurt out some half-assed ignorant view on something you have no clue about and flaunt it around as a fact. Don't talk to me if you can't bring logic and reasoning to the debate.

Excuse me? Are you claiming that The Black Panther Party was violent?

Yes, they were and racist too.

But, it is practically taboo for a white person to say those things. Is this 'equality'? What are your thoughts?
It's called Newspeak, AKA political correctness.

Yes, they were and racist too.

Might want to bone up a little.

http://www.blackpanther.org/legacynew.htm

I'm very proud of being stereotypically Jewish ... I even have horns!

Your Jewish- and there was me thinking you were just a ni**ger .... I doubt you are Irish ....... To me you just seem *poor me* through and through ...

Nod ... much of Africa is a sad state of affairs. I have no solution, though. Not any realistic ones anyway.How can "we" who profit from what our ancestors did to the African continent make ammends? I don't think monetary compensation by Western governments is an option, because I don't like the idea of being punished for something I done before my time that I don't even agree with, but if someone doesn't recognize that compensation is due, then we have a problem.

Anytime someone uses a slur in an offensive way it's not OK. For instance, if in the heat of an argument a slur is used to demean or as a blanket put down in order to maintain superiority. The superiority aspect is offensive, I don't care what race.
But at some point with all my friends we've made fun of each others genetic make up because it it didn't matter. It's ironic that when we acknowledged our differences and could laugh about ourselves, that's when we became true friends and there wasn't some superficial barrier like race or religion or sexual preference between us. I'm not saying that my friends and I go around freely referring to each other's race or etnhicity, but there is a time and place where it's acceptable.
Just an example: I have a friend who is a Jew. He has a thing about getting the best parking space so we wander around the parking lot. Then I make a wandering Jew comment and we finally park the fucking car.

I'm not understanding how people think society allows black people to use racial slurs. If a black guy gets interviewed for a job and he calls the interviewer a cracker, he's not getting hired. Neither would a white person who called their interviewer a ******. People seem to have this notion that black people are allowed to get away with anything and everything, and I'm really not understanding where it comes from. Is it this pet peeve people seem to have with political correctness? Well IMO there is theory and then there is reality. And the reality of it is that life is still on the whole much kinder to you if you are white than if you are black. And this truth is so glaring that I'm really stumped by those you ignore it.

Might want to bone up a little.

http://www.blackpanther.org/legacynew.htmWith all due respect, Ker, blackpanther.org is probably not an unbiased site... :p

Your Jewish- and there was me thinking you were just a ni**ger .... I doubt you are Irish ....... To me you just seem *poor me* through and through ...

Oh so is that all I am to you? Just some ******? See, this is EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE! This is why equality can't exist because there's human beings STILL to this day who act like 77Sevenn77 here. Once they either shut up, learn something, or die off things will never be equal, and racial slurs will continue, especially when someone like the person above still utilizes them.

HAHA! You're one to talk! HAHA that's the funniest thing I've seen all day! Man, I'm just playing your game. I have nothing against white people, but you sure as HELL have a lot against people who have darker skin than you. So please, get the hell out of my face with that. :rolleyes: So damn typical of you to blurt out some half-assed ignorant view on something yu have no clue about and flaunt it around as a fact. Don't talk to me if you ca't bring logic and reasoning to the debate.

Quick temper aswell, and also without the ability to listen to anyone elses point of view yawn .....

Yes go on call me a racist, i care not - it's not the fact of a persons skills coluour its the whole personailty, grouping and lack of respect and stupitiy that get 2 me..... again you have proved all i have thought for many years

Quick temper aswell, and also without the ability to listen to anyone elses point of view yawn .....

Yes go on call me a racist, i care not - it's not the fact of a persons skills coluour its the whole personailty, grouping and lack of respect and stupitiy that get 2 me..... again you have proved all i have thought for many years

And you have proved what I have thought for many years: There's no such thing as an inferior race. Just inferior people, and you are one of them. And as for respect, how DARE you say I should show respect to you. Also for stupidity, look at yourself, examine yourself, are you a good person for thinking the way you do? From my point of view you aren't, and I'm also thinking from yours and I can't find any evidence on what you based my "stupidity" on. I can't stand people like you. You make me sick.

Oh so is that all I am to you? Just some ******? See, this is EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE! This is why equality can't exist because there's human beings STILL to this day who act like 77Sevenn77 here. Once they either shut up, learn something, or die off things will never be equal, and racial slurs will continue, especially when someone like the person above still utilizes them.

there is no such thing as equality and never will be.. get over it .... i do not need to shut up and learn somthing ... maybe you should?

You are also very easy to wind up - chip/shoulder

Your Jewish- and there was me thinking you were just a ni**ger .... I doubt you are Irish ....... To me you just seem *poor me* through and through ...

Warned. Knock this crap off.

Your Jewish- and there was me thinking you were just a ni**ger .... I doubt you are Irish ....... To me you just seem *poor me* through and through ...

You haven't been around here much .... "poor me" is just about the last words that would ever come out of my mouth.

Oh I'm Irish ... a Reillagh and a Branagh. 3rd generation American. I knew my great-grandparents well (he died in 1996, she died in 2000) and would be more than happy to provide you the ship's manifest or put you in touch with family I still have in Omagh and Belfast and communicate with regularly. I'm reasonably sure I'm Irish.

Yes ... please ... tell me how people forced your family into a boat, crammed in like sardines with no sunlight for days at a time, fed them on little more than watery gruel, then arrived in Africa just to be paraded about and sold into a life of brutal servitude.

Go ahead ... let's hear about these "crimes".

Methinks you only give compassion when it's convenient.


But, wasn't it their own people who sold them into slavery in the first place...they sold their own kind so they could have muskets. So don't give me that crap about us forcing African Americans over seas as slaves when it was their own people who would sell them into it. And even if they weren't put into slavery...they would be suffering at the hands of their own race "GENOCIDE". To accuse one race of racism is to be yourself racist. :headbang:

With no matter how much anyone complains about the acts of slavery in the past they were in the past and we can't change what happens in the past!

With all due respect, Ker, blackpanther.org is probably not an unbiased site... :p

Heh ... well it's a start, anyway. ;)

You make me sick.

Ditto

But, wasn't it their own people who sold them into slavery in the first place...they sold their own kind so they could have muskets. So don't give me that crap about ...

You want to show me where I said which "people" were doing the forcing?

Ditto

For doing what? What have I done to you to ever make you hate me? NOTHING. Absoloutely NOTHING but exist. What have you done to me? Show me nothing but disrespect, intolerance, and hatred.

Your Jewish- and there was me thinking you were just a ni**ger .... I doubt you are Irish ....... To me you just seem *poor me* through and through ...

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You haven't been around here much .... "poor me" is just about the last words that would ever come out of my mouth.

Oh I'm Irish ... a Reillagh and a Branagh. 3rd generation American. I knew my great-grandparents well (he died in 1996, she died in 2000) and would be more than happy to provide you the ship's manifest or put you in touch with family I still have in Omagh and Belfast and communicate with regularly. I'm reasonably sure I'm Irish.

Apologies, I quoted the wrong post was not supposed to be aimed at you ... Yea good on you you are Irish .... I'm Irish br blood, but English through the grace of god ...

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I'm Irish br blood, but English through the grace of god ...

I think I'm just gonna have to shake my head at that one.

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See typical, of course i'm the one that gets an official warning - the worlds gone crazy .....

THANK YOU. Gotta love the mods! :D

Gloating over mod rulings/punishments is itself a moddable offence. It's not worth getting a reprimand over, really.

See typical, of course i'm the one that gets an official warning - the worlds gone crazy .....

Well ... you are the one who made a racial slur and a series of personal attacks.

I think I'm just gonna have to shake my head at that one.

Oh so you can think?

Gloating over mod rulings/punishments is itself a moddable offence. It's not worth getting a reprimand over, really.

Well I'm just happy it's not me this time lol. I can lose my temper when people act a bit, hmm well I'll leave that word up to you.

Oh so you can think?

Not without whiskey .... (like I said ...Irish) ;)

See typical, of course i'm the one that gets an official warning - the worlds gone crazy .....

That's what happens when calling people the n-word. Don't expect sympathy - you did a really shitty thing.

Well ... you are the one who made a racial slur and a series of personal attacks.



Excuse me? Who insulted me countless times and called me a pale-face? Hypocrite.

But, wasn't it their own people who sold them into slavery in the first place...they sold their own kind so they could have muskets. So don't give me that crap about us forcing African Americans over seas as slaves when it was their own people who would sell them into it. And even if they weren't put into slavery...they would be suffering at the hands of their own race "GENOCIDE". To accuse one race of racism is to be yourself racist. :headbang: Wasn't it their own kind? Are Germans and Italians the same "kind"? Are Hootus and Tutsis the same kind? Why do they kill eachother then? Don't generalize Africa. Most of those slaves came from different Kingdoms, different ethnic groups. Just because they had the same skin color does not mean they have the same ethnicity. Therefore the "own people" thing is complete bullshit. That's like saying the Japanese experimented on "their own people" when they committed atrocities against the Chinese. The fact that all blacks were treated like dirt over in the Colonies raised the misconception that they have the same ethnicity.
Besides, the slave trade back then didn't pick up until European settlers came with such an intense demand for slaves that it became profitable to go out for the sole purpose of catching slaves and selling them. So yes, Europeans are responsible for how the slave trade affected a whole continent of different kingdoms.

With no matter how much anyone complains about the acts of slavery in the past they were in the past and we can't change what happens in the past!"The past isn't over, in fact, it isn't even past."
Let's let murderers run free because their crimes happened in the past. [/sarcasm]
I may not be responsible for what my ancestors did, but I damn well owe any African an apology because it was my continent, my skin color, that interfered with it's progress.

Excuse me? Who insulted me countless times and called me a pale-face? Hypocrite.

I don't recall ever calling you a "pale-face" ... I said "anyone with a pale face" ... huge, huge difference.

Insulted you? Perhaps you're too easily insulted. In fact, I have only insulted your attitude and your argument ... which is not a personal attack. Attitudes can change ... ethnicity cannot.

People, take a
CHILL PILL!

This goes out to EVERYONE!

I have some points I'd like to make on this topic and that's not going to happen if this thread gets closed. Sit down, take a time out from posting if you need to, but lets get back to being "civil". I think everyone here can do with a bit of a cool down.

Sit down, take a time out from posting if you need to, but lets get back to being "civil".

Well it's a touchy subject ... but you're right.

I think I'll go make some tea and play some Call of Duty.

See typical, of course i'm the one that gets an official warning - the worlds gone crazy .....

It's all relative. So if you think everyone else on this earth is crazy, imagine what they must think of you.

Right I think itis about time time I actually explaine myself and my views, I do not have any problem with the colour of anyones skin or anyones religion, as someone who belongs to a minority group myself I do understand "opression" so to speak - yet I'm not really that bothered if someone has a go due to me being me - everyone has there own views and we should respect that! My problem, I guess, is partly due to immigration and asylum - personally I belive that i someone relocates to a country they should respect that country and ollow and respect the laws, language, religion and so on - In the UK a number of immigrants after being here 30 years have not bothered to lean the English language but are perfectly happy to claim benifits and slag of the country. If I went to acountry I would respect it, espesially if it has given me home from war and so on .... The boming in London has exagurated these feelings for me and the more aggression (A lot of yBrown/Black) people have such underlying anger and I just do not like there personslity in 90% of the population - on top of that companies such as petrol stations enforce racism - employing only Brown/Black people and so on - especially where I live, sometimes it just seems that Natives have little freedon of speach and so on and you are just not allowed to say anything ...

As I said before sometimes it's dificult to get it all out when angry... but I'm not covering up what I said before ... just going in to more detail ...

It's all relative. So if you think everyone else on this earth is crazy, imagine what they must think of you.

The point is I don't care I'm confident enough in myself not to worry ... And no I did not say I thought everyone else on earth is crazy .....

Heard a comedian talk about this once ... a white comedian ... name escapes me ...

He said, "White people can't use ****** because we abused the privilege."

I agree with him.

The day white people can claim to be under the yolk of 400 years of enslaved oppression and received daily scourgings while being called "honkey" or "cracker piece of shit", then I'll accept those terms to be as bad as ******.

I don't care if you weren't there and were never a part of slavery and never had family who owned slaves. That's not the point. Slavery sucks. After long enough, it gets in the blood.

We Jews still talk about our servitude in Egypt and even have whole holidays surrounding certain events pertaining to our enslavement and that was thousands of years ago! Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".


hmmmm If you remember correctly it was actually a black that sold them into slavery....while I don't condone the racism or slavery there should be no double standard if something offends them of what anyone says yes I say get over it.

Right I think itis about time time I actually explaine myself and my views, I do not have any problem with the colour of anyones skin or anyones religion, as someone who belongs to a minority group myself I do understand "opression" so to speak - yet I'm not really that bothered if someone has a go due to me being me - everyone has there own views and we should respect that! My problem, I guess, is partly due to immigration and asylum - personally I belive that i someone relocates to a country they should respect that country and ollow and respect the laws, language, religion and so on - In the UK a number of immigrants after being here 30 years have not bothered to lean the English language but are perfectly happy to claim benifits and slag of the country. If I went to acountry I would respect it, espesially if it has given me home from war and so on .... The boming in London has exagurated these feelings for me and the more aggression (A lot of yBrown/Black) people have such underlying anger and I just do not like there personslity in 90% of the population - on top of that companies such as petrol stations enforce racism - employing only Brown/Black people and so on - especially where I live, sometimes it just seems that Natives have little freedon of speach and so on and you are just not allowed to say anything ...

As I said before sometimes it's dificult to get it all out when angry... but I'm not covering up what I said before ... just going in to more detail ...

I respect the fact that you explained yourself more clearly. I am an American and I find the bomings in London to be one of the worst acts a human being can do, but you can't go around blaming people just because they happen to be of the same race or religion. That will get you nowhere. I also have done nothing to you to deserve the disrespect you applied to me earlier. I'm a human being, a fully functioning, intelligent, law abiding, person. I'm not stereotypical because I do not walk around talking in ebonics, nor do I watch BET all day long. I prefer to study. You just can't generalize people because when you do there's always someone who doesn't fit into it.

Tell ya what, if you can find a live slave then I'll give that statement some credence.

There are plenty of live slaves.... happens all the time in the suburbs, people buying children little black girls from foreign countries who think they're coming to America for a better life and end up being someone's kitchen bitch.

As for racism in general... It will always be. The Jews have been discriminated and kicked out of every country thinkable. Hell they had a whole holocaust dedicated to them. Blacks have always been and probably will always end up being someone's slave.

It's not right, and it's certainly not fair. They only way to eliminate racism is to stop dancing around the issue. As long as there are people who are so worried about being politically correct that they won't say what's on their minds, there will be people who are offended by those who speak what's on their minds.

Me and my black friends have discussed it on more than one occasion about racial slurs... once you get it in the open that nobody cares about the color of their skin... you don't have to dance around the issue anymore and you can have fun with it.

hmmmm If you remember correctly it was actually a black that sold them into slavery...It was Asians that killed Asians in the Rape of Nanking. There's a post of mine earlier that tries to deal with some misconceptions of the "blacks selling their own kind" lie.

I respect the fact that you explained yourself more clearly. I am an American and I find the bomings in London to be one of the worst acts a human being can do, but you can't go around blaming people just because they happen to be of the same race or religion. That will get you nowhere. I also have done nothing to you to deserve the disrespect you applied to me earlier. I'm a human being, a fully functioning, intelligent, law abiding, person. I'm not stereotypical because I do not walk around talking in ebonics, nor do I watch BET all day long. I prefer to study. You just can't generalize people because when you do there's always someone who doesn't fit into it.

Exactly - we have lift off! No there is no way in the world you can generalize about people as we are all different and that is what makes the world go round. What I am saying is in my experiance people of colour, certain religios or so forth have acted in a way that has caused anger to me and sadness of lack of respect for my country. I do have westernised packistani friends - that sounds awful but what I guess I mean is were you live you should respect the country and the people and in my experiance 90% of the time here that is not the case .....

I do apologie for my comment - I was angry and got out of hand - you did not deserve it.

Despite the fact that many people believe discrimination is wrong, over half of those people are hypocrites. They are willing to discriminate if someone else starts it. I think that those people need a serious adjustment and maybe use as targets :mp5: :sniper: but thats just what i think

Exactly - we have lift off! No there is no way in the world you can generalize about people as we are all different and that is what makes the world go round. What I am saying is in my experiance people of colour, certain religios or so forth have acted in a way that has caused anger to me and sadness of lack of respect for my country. I do have westernised packistani friends - that sounds awful but what I guess I mean is were you live you should respect the country and the people and in my experiance 90% of the time here that is not the case .....

I do apologie for my comment - I was angry and got out of hand - you did not deserve it.

I accept your apology, and I said some things to you that I regret as well.

It was Asians that killed Asians in the Rape of Nanking. There's a post of mine earlier that tries to deal with some misconceptions of the "blacks selling their own kind" lie.

That's hardly a lie, actually. Don't think that people won't sell their own kind to benefit themselves. South Africa has a looooong history of doing that to their own people. Even before the Civil War, what few black people that were free, would help to capture other runnaway slaves on their own free will.

People are traitors to their own kind too.

Despite the fact that many people believe discrimination is wrong, over half of those people are hypocrites. They are willing to discriminate if someone else starts it. I think that those people need a serious adjustment and maybe use as targets :mp5: :sniper: but thats just what i thinkI've heard the arguement before and I don't believe in discriminating against people because of their heritage, I believe in discriminating against people for how they behave towards and treat others. That in my mind, is better than discriminating against something you can't help, because you do have the freedom of choice. If you choose something that is blatantly wrong, in my eyes, I we might have a problem.

So far, I have met very few people on this forum that I'd consider deserving of my discrimination.

Might want to bone up a little.

http://www.blackpanther.org/legacynew.htm

Touche. The Black Panther Party (originally called the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was a revolutionary Black nationalist organization in the United States that formed in the late 1960s and grew to national prominence before falling apart due to factional rivalries stirred up by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Though the party always maintained a respectful attitude towards Martin Luther King, it made it clear from the beginning that it sought no compromise with the "white power structure" and was not fighting for integration, but rather for revolutionary fl nationalism.
The party similarly rejected non-violence as a creed and specifically chose to organize around a platform of "self-defense" (which became part of the party's original name, "Black Panther Party for Self-Defense").

http://www.factbites.com/topics/Black-Panther-Party

That's hardly a lie, actually. Don't think that people won't sell their own kind to benefit themselves. South Africa has a looooong history of doing that to their own people. Even before the Civil War, what few black people that were free, would help to capture other runnaway slaves on their own free will.

People are traitors to their own kind too.Don't overgeneralize Africans. That's why everyone is surprised about Africans going at eachothers throats after the colonial powers granted them independence.
Please read this post. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9436399&postcount=89)

How can "we" who profit from what our ancestors did to the African continent make ammends? I don't think monetary compensation by Western governments is an option, because I don't like the idea of being punished for something I done before my time that I don't even agree with, but if someone doesn't recognize that compensation is due, then we have a problem.

Then I want compensation from the English for what they did to my Irish ancestors, and my wife wants compensation for what the Americans did to her Native American ancestors and ...

Then I want compensation from the English for what they did to my Irish ancestors, and my wife wants compensation for what the Americans did to her Native American ancestors and ...Which is why I said compensation isn't an option. Maybe you missed that part in what you quoted. I feel that recognition that something is due is important.

there is no such thing as equality and never will be.. get over it .... i do not need to shut up and learn somthing ... maybe you should?

You are also very easy to wind up - chip/shoulder

What an attitude. At least Kerjott has learned how to use proper punctuation and English. So much for your superiority.

With no matter how much anyone complains about the acts of slavery in the past they were in the past and we can't change what happens in the past!

Very well said.

Very well said.Celtlund, please start a discussion on this with someone from an African country like Cameroon or Nigeria. You'll find that they won't like you telling them that now that we've fucked them over, we'll call it history.

Not without whiskey .... (like I said ...Irish) ;)

Hey, watch that stereotype...and pass the Tillymore Dew or Bushmills please. :D

....Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".

As long as this point of view is accepted, racism will continue to flourish.

What an attitude. At least Kerjott has learned how to use proper punctuation and English. So much for your superiority.

A & 1) you have obviously not read all of my posts

B & 2) you come across as a person who is anti discrimination - so why discriminate and take a pop against me?

c & 3) Don't start having a go at me - you were not not involved in the conversation

d & 3) Don't be too quick to be critical about you own kind thats what brings discrimination out of control...

....Stop expecting black people to "just get over it".

As long as this point of view is accepted, racism will continue to flourish.

Quite; how can one say racism and such is wrong, while at the same time practicing it oneself?

Quite; how can one say racism and such is wrong, while at the same time practicing it oneself?
Because "racists" do not constitute an ethnic group.

Because "racists" do not constitute an ethnic group.

But 'those evil white people whose great-grandfathers were mean to my great-grandfathers' do.

Just a side-note, racism is actually not the correct term to use here, racism refers to pride in one's race, just as feminism is pride in one's gender and nationalism is pride in one's own country. There is nothing wrong with being proud of being white, black, whatever. It's when you start to inflict this view on others that problems such as, but by no means limited to, racial discrimination occur.
I don't like the way the UK is going right now. I don't like their immigration policies, I don't like my race becoming less and less important, I don't like liberal attitudes towards race. However, I would not engage in racial discrimination without a good reason, because while one can chose their religion or political orientation, one cannot chose a race. It isn't fair to punish someone because of who their parents are, it's not as though you chose to be born any colour.
However, I have been subjected to racism by Asians at my school, and although retalliation tends not to work I won't object to calling a black person a n*gger or an Asian a Paki if they use those names between themselves, or that is reverse racial discrimination which quite frankly disgusts me, likewise if someone calls me something insulting to my race I wont hold back, I will say what I think of them.
As to persecuting Jews because of their race, I think this is a real problem. Some would consider me a Jew because on my father's side of the family there is Jewish blood, however Jews would not consider me Jewish because in their tradition the Jewish race runs through the mother's side only. So would I pretend I have no Jewish ancestory because Jews would consider it so? Or do I take a modern view of genetics and say yes, I am part-Jewish?

Just a side-note, racism is actually not the correct term to use here, racism refers to pride in one's race, just as feminism is pride in one's gender and nationalism is pride in one's own country.

I do not believe you are correct.

rac·ism Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

source; www.dictionary.com

I would like to pose a question:

My wife and daughter are Americans who happened to be born and raised in Africa. They both speak an African language and, in fact, my wife speaks two.

Given these facts, shouldn't they justifiably be able to refer to themselves as African-Americans?

And yes, you guessed it, they're white.

Given these facts, shouldn't they justifiably be able to refer to themselves as African-Americans?

Not by the standard American defintion, no.

I do not believe you are correct.

rac·ism Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

source; www.dictionary.com

Yes, because laziness in the last couple of decades has meant this word has a very illogical meaning as it is now used by most people.
Kaapstaat: People take for granted the fact that the term African-American refers to black people, but logically why should it?

But 'those evil white people whose great-grandfathers were mean to my great-grandfathers' do.And where have I said they were racists? :confused:

The point is I don't care I'm confident enough in myself not to worry ... And no I did not say I thought everyone else on earth is crazy .....

You said "the world's gone crazy". Do you believe the world does not include those who live in it? If not then surely you can see how such a statement could be misinterpretted.

Your dilemna is common to the entire first world. I live in North Carolina, with the fastest growing Hispanic population in the US. And I must admit I find it frustrating when someone who comes to this country doesn't bother to learn the language. The same goes for Americans who move to France and just want to speak English and not bother to learn French.

But one has to be constructive about dealing with this problem. You must realize that, aside from nazi-like persecution, you aren't going to convince them to leave. Most of them are and will be citizens of your nation. And if your perspective is still that they are guests in your country, then at least try to be a good host.

I would like to pose a question:

My wife and daughter are Americans who happened to be born and raised in Africa. They both speak an African language and, in fact, my wife speaks two.

Given these facts, shouldn't they justifiably be able to refer to themselves as African-Americans?

And yes, you guessed it, they're white.

They most certainly can refer to themselves as African-Americans, as can any other Caucasian born in Africa.

They most certainly can refer to themselves as African-Americans, as can any other Caucasian born in Africa.
I've actually had a hard time convincing some of the international students at my University that it would not be appropriate to call me a "native American" :D

I don't understand the "concessions for slaves" idea. Yes their ancestors suffered terribly at the hands of people who may have been my ancestors. However none of this was my fault i dont care if i happen to be white i had no influence on my ancestors stupid and selfish descisions i can not be held responsible for compensation.

I don't understand the "concessions for slaves" idea. Yes their ancestors suffered terribly at the hands of people who may have been my ancestors. However none of this was my fault i dont care if i happen to be white i had no influence on my ancestors stupid and selfish descisions i can not be held responsible for compensation.You can't be held responsible for compensation, but to accept that some form of compensation is due because you owe your standard of living to what has caused the abject poverty in Africa is well in order.

What suddenly this is only about blacks? What about latinos or asians?

In my little wannebee hood there are 2year old "gangsters" who would die to black. It could be a super prep all white school and you could see kids getting in trouble for listing to m and m.

And in the same school the kids are proably wathing roots or skiping school to see another fast and furious movie (which are awesome don't get me wrong). every one knows what how the blacks were treated badly in the 60s and all but what about the latinos and the asians that are being discriminated now?

Also whites still make racial remarks its just that most of them just don't want to, and the ones that do get the impersion that they can´t, but noooooooooooo they still do and rarely blacks, all you hear lationos are so weird and whats the differcne between the chinese and japense?

Yes ... please ... tell me how people forced your family into a boat, crammed in like sardines with no sunlight for days at a time, fed them on little more than watery gruel, then arrived in Africa just to be paraded about and sold into a life of brutal servitude.

Go ahead ... let's hear about these "crimes".

Methinks you only give compassion when it's convenient.

This annoys me, who forced blacks to the europeans? THERE OWN CHEIFS!!!!!! blacks would hunt other blacks, capture them and sell them to europeans in exchange for guns , suger silk and xpices, yeah we treated them like shit (im english btw) but the black people themselves must take a portain of the blame for litertally sellinig there sister to make money.

This annoys me, who forced blacks to the europeans? THERE OWN CHEIFS!!!!!! blacks would hunt other blacks, capture them and sell them to europeans in exchange for guns , suger silk and xpices, yeah we treated them like shit (im english btw) but the black people themselves must take a portain of the blame for litertally sellinig there sister to make money.It's been said before. Skim back a while until you find my post on it. I'm sick of having to explain the faulty logic of that statement again.

It's been said before. Skim back a while until you find my post on it. I'm sick of having to explain the faulty logic of that statement again.
i apoligise :p

its okay to joke about your own group bu not about others

I can make jokes about the welsh as I'm welsh and I can make jokes about the british as I'm british but I wouldn't make jokes about the americans or the french unless they were making jokes about me

Just a side-note, racism is actually not the correct term to use here, racism refers to pride in one's race, just as feminism is pride in one's gender and nationalism is pride in one's own country. There is nothing wrong with being proud of being white, black, whatever. It's when you start to inflict this view on others that problems such as, but by no means limited to, racial discrimination occur.
I don't like the way the UK is going right now. I don't like their immigration policies, I don't like my race becoming less and less important, I don't like liberal attitudes towards race. However, I would not engage in racial discrimination without a good reason, because while one can chose their religion or political orientation, one cannot chose a race. It isn't fair to punish someone because of who their parents are, it's not as though you chose to be born any colour.
However, I have been subjected to racism by Asians at my school, and although retalliation tends not to work I won't object to calling a black person a n*gger or an Asian a Paki if they use those names between themselves, or that is reverse racial discrimination which quite frankly disgusts me, likewise if someone calls me something insulting to my race I wont hold back, I will say what I think of them.



I coudent agree more, this country is going to hell, right wing partys such as the BNP (british national party) arnt allowed to have public rallies, whereas radiscal muslims can, and preach hate agaisnt britian, then after wards go down the dole office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im not a racist, but, the more and more my culture and indentity is pushed aside for immigrants and people who hate this coutry, and the more im forced to be sileneced though political correctness (Its illegal to say a certain religion is wrong here) the more i want to do something about it, if my voice is taken away, then ill use my bare hands.

And thats the attituse of a LOT of english people.

its okay to joke about your own group bu not about others

I can make jokes about the welsh as I'm welsh and I can make jokes about the british as I'm british but I wouldn't make jokes about the americans or the french unless they were making jokes about me

Why not? thats how our goverment wants us to be, programs such as the kumars, or gooness gracious me are great, asians making fun of asians, but woo betide if a white man (roy chubby brown) does it, or he's banned!!!!!!

Payback's a bitch, ain't it?
That was the most ignorant thing I've seen all day. :rolleyes:
Two wrongs do not make a right, ever.

I support free speech unfettered by PC double standards. Should blacks have the right to say what they want about whites? Of course they should. And vice versa. Hiding behind the illusion of civility doesn't make the gesture any more real. It's better that we have these things out in the open, in the public arena where they can be addressed honestly, without barriers.

Double standards just reinforce resentment and prevent us from addressing our problems effectively. Besides, I think white jokes are hillarious! :D

I dont like racism and the people that do it. racism is rapidly decreasing Color people and other color people are becoming good friends

This annoys me, who forced blacks to the europeans? THERE OWN CHEIFS!!!!!! blacks would hunt other blacks, capture them and sell them to europeans in exchange for guns , suger silk and xpices, yeah we treated them like shit (im english btw) but the black people themselves must take a portain of the blame for litertally sellinig there sister to make money.

Again, please, show me where I said which people are doing the forcing into the boats. All I said was "people" ... not which people.

Neo Rog is claiming that black crimes against whites are as bad as or worse than that whole slavery thing.

I'm not insensitive, but 6 black guys raping a white chick pales in comparison to what the slaves went through. The key difference is that the 6 black guys go to prison. No American slave owner ever went to prison for owning, beating, raping, having babies with then abandoning said offspring, or even killing slaves.

That was the most ignorant thing I've seen all day. :rolleyes:


I see you may not be familiar with sarcasm.

I forgot ... people around here don't get it unless it's tagged, flagged, and posted in bright neon colors. I'll try to do better in the future to dumb down the wit.

Your dilemna is common to the entire first world. I live in North Carolina, with the fastest growing Hispanic population in the US. And I must admit I find it frustrating when someone who comes to this country doesn't bother to learn the language. The same goes for Americans who move to France and just want to speak English and not bother to learn French.

I agree with what you are saying.

When I got an assignment to Spain, one of the first things my wife and I did was to take a non-credit Spanish course at the local CC to learn some Spanish. The teachers, a husband and wife, were kind enough to let us bring our two boys ages 9 and 11, to class and treated them just like the adult students.

We all learned the very basics, but the most valuable words we learned in Spanish were to ask, "How do you say it?" Whenever we went shopping and were asked, "Digame?" (sp?) We would point to the item and ask in Spanish, "How do you say it?" The Spanish were thrilled that we would ask and they would not give us the item until we pronounced it correctly.

When we had a problem with our apartment, we took two English-Spanish dictionaries and went to our landlord who did not speak English. We gave him a copy of the dictionary, and we learned more Spanish while discussing the problem. We became good friends with him and his wife.

Unfortunately there were some American who did not bother to learn the language and lived in military housing. They never got out and saw the real Spain, met with Spanish people, or enjoyed the Spanish culture and cuisine. How sad.

If you are going to live in a country for a few years or permanently, the least you can do is to learn some of the language as well as the culture and history.

Hey, the Spanish I learned even helped me in Germany. I was there for a couple of days and my son needed some parts for his HO gauge train. I found a model train shop but the clerk did not speak English and I didn’t speak German so I asked her in Spanish if she spoke Spanish. She went and got the storeowner who spoke Spanish. Unfortunately, he didn’t have the parts I needed. I thought it was cool though, an American and a German in Germany conversing in Spanish. It doesn’t get much better. J

I've actually had a hard time convincing some of the international students at my University that it would not be appropriate to call me a "native American" :D

ROFL :D

We all learned the very basics, but the most valuable words we learned in Spanish were to ask, "How do you say it?"

Oooh ... damn good advice there. Not sure it would work in the States, though. Usually having a thick foreign accent just gets you blank stares. I advise any non-English speaking person who comes to the southern US to speak veerrryyy sloooowwwllly. ;)

It's been said before. Skim back a while until you find my post on it. I'm sick of having to explain the faulty logic of that statement again.

There is no "faulty logic." The other poster is just pointing out the fact that some Africans sold their fellow Africans into slavery. I'm sorry if you don't believe that. Oh, before you ask, no it does not excuse what happened. We must also remember that at that time and before slavery was widely accepted throughout the world.

I coudent agree more, this country is going to hell, right wing partys such as the BNP (british national party) arnt allowed to have public rallies, whereas radiscal muslims can, and preach hate agaisnt britian, then after wards go down the dole office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im not a racist, but, the more and more my culture and indentity is pushed aside for immigrants and people who hate this coutry, and the more im forced to be sileneced though political correctness (Its illegal to say a certain religion is wrong here) the more i want to do something about it, if my voice is taken away, then ill use my bare hands.

And thats the attituse of a LOT of english people.

"I'm not a racist but..." :headbang:

That was the most ignorant thing I've seen all day. :rolleyes:
Two wrongs do not make a right, ever.

Yea............. and two blacks don't make a white.................

Ok regardless of my possible inappropriate (see what the PC brigade have done to me) jesting, I thought your post was spot on Eichen ......

I coudent agree more, this country is going to hell, right wing partys such as the BNP (british national party) arnt allowed to have public rallies, whereas radiscal muslims can, and preach hate agaisnt britian, then after wards go down the dole office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im not a racist, but, the more and more my culture and indentity is pushed aside for immigrants and people who hate this coutry, and the more im forced to be sileneced though political correctness (Its illegal to say a certain religion is wrong here) the more i want to do something about it, if my voice is taken away, then ill use my bare hands.

And thats the attituse of a LOT of english people.

"I'm not a racist but..." :headbang: Where is the "I have a lot of friends who are"...statement?

I'm not insensitive, but 6 black guys raping a white chick pales in comparison to what the slaves went through.

Not if you are the "white chick." :(

I coudent agree more, this country is going to hell, right wing partys such as the BNP (british national party) arnt allowed to have public rallies, whereas radiscal muslims can, and preach hate agaisnt britian, then after wards go down the dole office!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im not a racist, but, the more and more my culture and indentity is pushed aside for immigrants and people who hate this coutry, and the more im forced to be sileneced though political correctness (Its illegal to say a certain religion is wrong here) the more i want to do something about it, if my voice is taken away, then ill use my bare hands.

And thats the attituse of a LOT of english people.

Spot on - that is exactly how I feel - as I said sometimes anger (for want of a better word) gives me the inability to come across with what I ACTUALLY mean.

But yes that is exactly what I mean...

I advise any non-English speaking person who comes to the southern US to speak veerrryyy sloooowwwllly. ;)

And if they go to the Northeast, speakveryfast. :D

There is no "faulty logic." The other poster is just pointing out the fact that some Africans sold their fellow Africans into slavery. I'm sorry if you don't believe that. Oh, before you ask, no it does not excuse what happened. We must also remember that at that time and before slavery was widely accepted throughout the world.Read my post. There's a reason why it's "faulty logic" and why he apologised.
It's not that I don't believe that, but the idea that Africans were "fellows" is quite overrated.

Again, please, show me where I said which people are doing the forcing into the boats. All I said was "people" ... not which people.

Neo Rog is claiming that black crimes against whites are as bad as or worse than that whole slavery thing.



Sigh, you miss my point and try to distort my point...... and your ignorant of history. If black people didnt kidnap eachother and sell them to the europeans, then the euro's would fo had to go into africa, and catch them, which would cost a LOT of money.

Im saying, the blacks have a blame themselves too, not as bad as the whites but they made it a damnsight essier for the whites to take the blacks. Try reading a history book sometime ;)

"I'm not a racist but..." :headbang: Where is the "I have a lot of friends who are"...statement?

My sister is 1/4 indian, and my blood brother is taiwanese, happy? :D no, im not sarcastic, that is true.

Read my post. There's a reason why it's "faulty logic" and why he apologised.
It's not that I don't believe that, but the idea that Africans were "fellows" is quite overrated.

Perhaps you would prefer, "The Negroid in Africa sold their fellow Negroid to the Caucasian Europeans and Americans." Would that make it any more factually correct?

I see you may not be familiar with sarcasm.

I forgot ... people around here don't get it unless it's tagged, flagged, and posted in bright neon colors. I'll try to do better in the future to dumb down the wit.
Keruvalia, I really couldn't believe that you meant that. Apologies for taking that too seriously... I know I hate that when it's done to me. :fluffle:

Perhaps you would prefer, "The Negroid in Africa sold their fellow Negroid to the Caucasian Europeans and Americans." Would that make it any more factually correct?No, I'm hinting at that there might be a reason why hutus and tutsis hate eachother.
Africans by no means got along and implying that Africans were sold into slavery by their chiefs is wrong. It was the captives of different tribes. The comparison would be having the Kaiser sell Germans into slavery or the Kaiser selling Frenchmen into slavery, you get my point?

This may be just my imagination, but why is it that it seems perfectly fine for people of any race but white to discriminate against and use derogatory terms about any other race. For example, I have seen many black and Hispanic comedians use racial slurs and derogatory names for every other race. But, it is practically taboo for a white person to say those things. Is this 'equality'? What are your thoughts?

Welcome to the world of political correctness, my friend.

Again, please, show me where I said which people are doing the forcing into the boats. All I said was "people" ... not which people.

Neo Rog is claiming that black crimes against whites are as bad as or worse than that whole slavery thing.


I thought id come out of the closet and annoy u, so, here goes.


Im english, and ive studied (well studying) WORLD history, which means every thing about every country and evvery period, in moderate detail. now, the best time in my nations history, is our GLORIOUS empire. We ruled 1/4 of the earths surface, we civilised millions of people (and yes, killed millions)

And, we colonised africa, about a 3rd of the continent the french dutch etc got the rest. when in africa, africans had an excellent life, they had jobs, an indentity and somthing to be proud of. This is evident in that there was only one major rebellion in africa, the boer war. (there were a few in kenya and the sudan, but we gave em what for bloody quick, IE, they wernt big rebellions)

So, we did alright. i HATE it when people say africa is bad now cos of our empire, bollocks!!!! the USA has done allright, canada has done allright, china has done allright, australia has done allright, new zealand has done allright SOUTH AFRICA has done allright.

Im afraid africas problems are products of the african people, and throwing money at them will not solve there problems. We've done it for years, hasnt done anything.

The world has two choices to actually SOLVE africa, A. the africans wake up, smell the roses and kick dictaters like robert magube out into the street, and embrace a non currupt (by and large, no goverment is curropt free) goverment, that cares for the people

Or B, my personal favoroute. We recolinialise. It woudent be hard, and not many casualties will happen sweeping the pathetic militarys of the dictaters,

We would give the africans:
Jobs, protection, democracy, an indentity to be PROUD of, build up there infrastructure, etc. In return, we sell there goods, we both gain from it.

If u think this is bad, look at the colonys we still own, N ireland again and again votes to still be british (which is why we wont give into the IRA) gibralter, the fiji's, ST helena,,,,, if they want independence, we'd give it to them, africa i dont think would want independence for a while, not untill there soverign nations , where the citizens have something to be proud of.

Anyway, attack me if u wish, im an imperialist, and proud. Im not racist, recolonialising africa would do only good for the africans. Yeah, there are individual cases of cruelty in our empire, so what? on the whole, we did good, and, we banned slavery first ;) well, actually germany did it around 1000 AD, so, we were one of the first.

If i get much of a response, ill do a thread on it

So, we did alright. i HATE it when people say africa is bad now cos of our empire, bollocks!!!! the USA has done allright, canada has done allright, china has done allright, australia has done allright, new zealand has done allright SOUTH AFRICA has done allright.
I like how you only mention countries that have either a mainly white population or were ruled by said white population (Zimbabwe. You forgot Zimbabwe. The did well, at one time) or China, which wasn't colonized in any way comparable to any others. Also, I might add I don't blame the Empire for screwing up Africa alone. The other European colonial empires did a lot too, they just weren't as big.

If i get much of a response, ill do a thread on itPlease do. This doesn't really fit into the racism debate...

I like how you only mention countries that have either a mainly white population or were ruled by said white population (Zimbabwe. You forgot Zimbabwe. The did well, at one time) or China, which wasn't colonized in any way comparable to any others. Also, I might add I don't blame the Empire for screwing up Africa alone. The other European colonial empires did a lot too, they just weren't as big.
Please do. This doesn't really fit into the racism debate...

Yeah, zimbabwe did allright, till it had a civil war, then elected magube .................

we owned 1/5 of china as a result of the boxer rebellion, but we didnt keep it, the empire was too big so we kept shanhai and hon kong, we got loadsa money that way. Well, hingkong and shaghai we got from the opium wars but ANYWAY!
China was like the worlds bitch!!!! EVERYONE had a slice of china, then when the euro's mostly left, the japanese tore it apart, and killed millions of chinese. Trust me, china WAS colinilised a LOT.

and, i shall.

No, I'm hinting at that there might be a reason why hutus and tutsis hate eachother.
Africans by no means got along and implying that Africans were sold into slavery by their chiefs is wrong. It was the captives of different tribes. The comparison would be having the Kaiser sell Germans into slavery or the Kaiser selling Frenchmen into slavery, you get my point?

Yes, I get your point and you are free to beleive anything you want to beleive even if it is not supported by historical facts. :(

Yeah, zimbabwe did allright, till it had a civil war, then elected magube .................

we owned 1/5 of china as a result of the boxer rebellion, but we didnt keep it, the empire was too big so we kept shanhai and hon kong, we got loadsa money that way. Well, hingkong and shaghai we got from the opium wars but ANYWAY!
China was like the worlds bitch!!!! EVERYONE had a slice of china, then when the euro's mostly left, the japanese tore it apart, and killed millions of chinese. Trust me, china WAS colinilised a LOT.

and, i shall.I know China was colonized a lot, just not in a way comparable to Africa, which is what I said, wasn't it?

I thought id come out of the closet and annoy u, so, here goes.


Im english, and ive studied (well studying) WORLD history, which means every thing about every country and evvery period, in moderate detail.

Do this old fart and others a favor and spend a little more time learning English. Spelling and punctuation is very important for us to understand what you are saying. You can also cut/paste to MSWord, do a spell check, and cut/paste back.

You say that you are a student of World History. What level are you at in school? The reason I ask is I’d like to know how much you currently know about history. Obviously if you are in High School you still you still have a lot to learn from some of us, but if you are at the PhD level we have a lot to learn from you.

Yes, I get your point and you are free to beleive anything you want to beleive even if it is not supported by historical facts. :(
Sorry, my reply to this was so long that I got logged off and my post got deleted. I'm not going to type it up again so please refer to my reply to ... Dragon for the information you would have read here.

Do this old fart and others a favor and spend a little more time learning English. Spelling and punctuation is very important for us to understand what you are saying. You can also cut/paste to MSWord, do a spell check, and cut/paste back.

You say that you are a student of World History. What level are you at in school? The reason I ask is I’d like to know how much you currently know about history. Obviously if you are in High School you still you still have a lot to learn from some of us, but if you are at the PhD level we have a lot to learn from you.

sorry about the english, i have dyslexia, i can read fine, but hell can i write, lol, nice suggestion though, ill do it in future , thanks :D

I finished my A-levels just now, and about to start a degree in world history (im 18, just finished college) and, bascicly, my life is history, reenactment etc. that and i travel a lot.

EDIT: but i know i dont, and never will know everything, if im wrong, ill accept it, either way, ill have at least one thing to learn from everyone, even if i had a doctinate, and not just about history i mean, if i seem arrogant, sorry, im just tired, that and ive had reike today, feeling energertic :D


I know China was colonized a lot, just not in a way comparable to Africa, which is what I said, wasn't it?


You said china wasnt colonialised in any way comparible to africa, it was colinised longer, that and africa is a collection of nations, and china back then was one country. (for alot of the time, its been a collection of states)

So in order to "feel better" about having been largely discriminated against in the past, certain minorities choose to soil the graves of numerous civil rights activists, Martin Luther King, Jr. foremost included, whose goals were to abolish the concept of prejudice and racism in the first place? Those people would be disgusted at the idea of so-called "reverse" racism and its asanine justifications. They knew more than anyone else that prejudice and racism of any form is just that and nothing more.

I, myself, am not telling minorities to "get over it." I'm telling them that verbally lowering themselves to the level of the oppressive racists who formerly held them in bondage is not acceptable, even if they can get away with it. I've no doubt that many minorities believe this as well.

You said china wasnt colonialised in any way comparible to africa, it was colinised longer, that and africa is a collection of nations, and china back then was one country. (for alot of the time, its been a collection of states)I was hinting at the fact that China still officially retained most of its territory while the Europeans grabbed individual coastal cities unlike Africa, where the only two parts never to be colonized were Liberia and Ethiopia.

I was hinting at the fact that China still officially retained most of its territory while the Europeans grabbed individual coastal cities unlike Africa, where the only two parts never to be colonized were Liberia and Ethiopia.

I agree there, im sure ethiopa was owned by the dutch, ill check, if ure right, ure right, ill get back to u on that

Do this old fart and others a favor and spend a little more time learning English. Spelling and punctuation is very important for us to understand what you are saying. You can also cut/paste to MSWord, do a spell check, and cut/paste back.

It makes me cringe when this is all that one can come back with as a retort..

This is an internet forum.

We are not here wriying our GCSE/CSE/OLEVEL/A-LEVEL/DEGREE and so
on ........ it really does not matter, life does not depend on it, is notonly the winner will not die spelling bee. Any normal person would have understand the post.


:)

I agree there, im sure ethiopa was owned by the dutch, ill check, if ure right, ure right, ill get back to u on thatThe only ones to ever "own" Ethiopia were the Italians, and that's considered more of a "conquering" than "colonization" considering they took it shortly before WW2 and lost it right after.

I was hinting at the fact that China still officially retained most of its territory while the Europeans grabbed individual coastal cities unlike Africa, where the only two parts never to be colonized were Liberia and Ethiopia.

Ure wrong, i knew ethipoia had been onwed, italy invaded and annexed in it 1935. they lost it soon after though but, it was part of the italian empire for a bit.

Ure wrong, i knew ethipoia had been onwed, italy invaded and annexed in it 1935. they lost it soon after though but, it was part of the italian empire for a bit.1935 counts as "shortly before WW2" in my book, if that was a misunderstanding.

The only ones to ever "own" Ethiopia were the Italians, and that's considered more of a "conquering" than "colonization" considering they took it shortly before WW2 and lost it right after.

Ah, sorry, didnt see this post

Im not a racist, but, the more and more my culture and indentity is pushed aside for immigrants and people who hate this coutry, and the more im forced to be sileneced though political correctness (Its illegal to say a certain religion is wrong here) the more i want to do something about it, if my voice is taken away, then ill use my bare hands.

And thats the attituse of a LOT of english people.

This statement was obviously one made with a knowing sense of irony as 'English culture' is a product of wave after wave of immigrations, not to mention invasions by diverse people such as the Romans, Danes, Anglo-Saxons, Scotti and Vikings. Your country has always been a melting pot of different peoples and cultures.


(Its illegal to say a certain religion is wrong here)

Tisch and pisch. The blasphemy laws in the UK only recognise extremist remarks against the Church of England as blasphemy, and the last time anyone was successfully convicted under the legislation was in 1922.

It makes me cringe when this is all that one can come back with as a retort..

This is an internet forum.

We are not here wriying our GCSE/CSE/OLEVEL/A-LEVEL/DEGREE and so
on ........ it really does not matter, life does not depend on it, is notonly the winner will not die spelling bee. Any normal person would have understand the post.


:)

It was a suggestion, not a criticism of his arguments. The poster is English and should be able to do better with English unless he/she has a handicap. He/she indicated a handicap and a willingness to try my suggestion to improve the quality of his/her posts.

This statement was obviously one made with a knowing sense of irony as 'English culture' is a product of wave after wave of immigrations, not to mention invasions by diverse people such as the Romans, Danes, Anglo-Saxons, Scotti and Vikings. Your country has always been a melting pot of different peoples and cultures.


Tisch and pisch. The blasphemy laws in the UK only recognise extremist remarks against the Church of England as blasphemy, and the last time anyone was successfully convicted under the legislation was in 1922.

Tisch and pisch? U obviously knows nothing.... last year, the incitement against racial hatred was passed, and ill let u look it up. It’s illegal to preach against any religion.

Of course, England is a melting pot, but, we have a cultural identity, none the less, and, how can u justify people sympathetic to al queada, living on state welfare, preaching against Britain IN BRITIAN? Whilst right wing British political party’s aren’t allowed?? JUSTIFY IT MATE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Johnny foreigner has more rights the me. You’re wrong on every count here, so keep quiet unless u know what you're talking about. And yes, you’ve touched a nerve; I hate my country being eroded by political incorrect losers who DONT live in reality. And people who don’t know this for that saying that England’s a melting pot, EVERY country is, lets all be loyal to Africa where mankind comes from shall we? Flip sake.


Last time was 1922? My god, what planet ARE you living one, 2 months ago last time I checked.

Tell ya what, if you can find a live slave then I'll give that statement some credence.

Is an estimated 12.3 million sufficient for you?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/world/05/slavery/html/2.stm

tisch and pisch? u obviusly know nothing.... last year, the incitement agaisnt racial hatred was passed, ill let u look it up. Its illegal to preach agaisnt any religion.

A religion is not a race, and vice-versa.

Similarly there is a massive difference from saying that a religion is wrong (your earlier statement) and inciting hatred against something. If it was a case that saying a particular religion was wrong, then the Protestants would be taking the Roman Catholics to court and the Jews would be taking the Muslims to court...


Of course, england is a melting pot, but, we have a cultural indentitie none the less, and , how can u justify people sypathetic to al queada , living on state welfare, preaching agasint britian IN BRITIAN?

The right to voice dissent against the established order is one of those things which the English people have traditionally held close to their hearts. Why should the rules suddenly change now?

whilst right wing british political partys arnt allowed?? JUSTIFY IT MATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What right-wing british political parties aren't allowed?

johnny foreinger has more rights the me .

Such as? Name an instance would you?

ure wrong on every cout here, so keep quiet unless u know wat ure talking about.


Ah, so England was never invaded by Romans, Danes, Vikings, Scotti or Anglo-Saxons then?

And yes, youve touched a nerve, i hate my country being eroded by political incorrect losers who DONT live in reality.

'Political incorrect'? Did you intend to write 'politically correct' here?


last time was 1922? my god, what planet ARE you living one, 2 months ago last time i checked.

Provide me with details of this would you? Are you sure you aren't making the same mistake you made earlier here and confusing blasphemy with incitement to racial hatred?

i don't think people should be judged on their skin color. they should be judged based on if their ugly, fat, stupid, gay, unathletic, and if they have poor hygiene. :sniper:

i don't think people should be judged on their skin color. they should be judged based on if their ugly, fat, stupid, gay, unathletic, and if they have poor hygiene. :sniper:

....... And prize for the most intellegent post/member of the evening/night goes to...............................

A religion is not a race, and vice-versa.

Similarly there is a massive difference from saying that a religion is wrong (your earlier statement) and inciting hatred against something. If it was a case that saying a particular religion was wrong, then the Protestants would be taking the Roman Catholics to court and the Jews would be taking the Muslims to court...

The right to voice dissent against the established order is one of those things which the English people have traditionally held close to their hearts. Why should the rules suddenly change now?

What right-wing british political parties aren't allowed?

Such as? Name an instance would you?


Ah, so England was never invaded by Romans, Danes, Vikings, Scotti or Anglo-Saxons then?

'Political incorrect'? Did you intend to write 'politically correct' here?




Provide me with details of this would you? Are you sure you aren't making the same mistake you made earlier here and confusing blasphemy with incitement to racial hatred?



OK, partys that cant, BNP and national front. The leader of the BNP was recently covicted of incitment of racial hatred, and has bee jailed.

"The right to voice dissent against the established order is one of those things which the English people have traditionally held close to their hearts. Why should the rules suddenly change now?"


it has, with right wing english people not being allowed to rallie, and foeigners being allowed to.


Ok, i kinda put my foot in my mouth here about the religion and race thing, racial hatred is illegal, but religion, isnt illegal, but "politicly" in correct,, but the goverment is thinking about making it illegal within the year anyway.

Where foreigners have more rights? ive already showed u one, that radicals can rally, right wing brits cant. Another is that asylum seekers, when grated asylum get council housing before english people, english people maybe having to wait up to two years, asylum seekers getting one right away.


the romans and vikings etc made our culture, i dont deny it, i embrace it.

OK, partys that cant, BNP and national front. The leader of the BNP was recently covicted of incitment of racial hatred, and has bee jailed.

If he was actually found guilty and jailed, then I have missed that and can't seem to find it reported anywhere on the net. However, certainly he as an individual has been charged, but the party still carries on as a legal organisation. See for yourself:

http://www.bnp.org.uk/

The National Front also seems to be alive and well, despite your claims:

http://www.natfront.com/

it has, with right wing english people not being allowed to rallie, and foeigners being allowed to.

When was the last time a peaceful right wing rally was stopped by the police?
Certainly they attract counter-rallies by people that can't bear the things they stand for, but the rights of free speech such as we have them in this country go both ways.

Ok, i kinda put my foot in my mouth here about the religion and race thing, racial hatred is illegal, but religion, isnt illegal, but "politicly" in correct,, but the goverment is thinking about making it illegal within the year anyway.

Ah, so I'm not actually 'wrong on every count here' then? An apology would be nice. Yes, stirring up racial hatred or hatred on a religious basis is illegal since the legislation was introduced last year, but that is a very different thing from your claim that it is illegal to say that another religion is wrong.

Where foreigners have more rights? ive already showed u one, that radicals can rally, right wing brits cant.

I have already pointed out that right wing political groups can and do rally in England. You are also drawing a very shaky comparison here: you claim that 'johnny foreigner' is allowed to rally on the basis of his race, but that English people aren't allowed to rally on the basis of their political beliefs. Even if what you claimed here were true, the two are very different things.


Another is that asylum seekers, when grated asylum get council housing before english people, english people maybe having to wait up to two years, asylum seekers getting one right away.

An asylum seeker is a very different thing from a migrant or a stereotypical 'johnny foreigner'. Talk of bogus asylum seekers is largely spurious here, as compared to the 140,000 seekers granted refugee status only 13,000 were refused the right to remain. Giving people whos life is threatened in their original homeland a roof over their heads is something that the English should be proud of, not bitter.

the romans and vikings etc made our culture, i dont deny it, i embrace it.

So what makes them good 'Johhny foreigners' in your opinion, but recent migrants bad 'Johnny foreigners' then? You are prepared to embrace those people who carved up your country with the axe and the sword and the use of rape as punishment, but not peaceable migrants?

I got about mid-way through reading the entire thread, when I realized that the posts were very intense. To whom it may concern, I had no intentions of this thread being a flamebait. It was turned into a debate using derogatory terms, which I did not want to bring about. It was not a flamebait, but I apologize to any who were offended in this thread.

... Racism has no place in society...

I was much heartened to see you post this. From your previous comments in this thread, I was beginning to stereotype you as just another hypocritical Christian racist. Your statement above that "racism has no place in society" made me feel that perhaps I was judging you too harshly. In fact, I felt a little guilty for judging you like that. I was actually thinking about making a comment in your favor, for once.... but then I saw this in another thread:



I once knew a Spanish guy. He smelled bad.

And now I'm back to square one.

Sigh, you miss my point and try to distort my point...... and your ignorant of history. If black people didnt kidnap eachother

Where did I say they didn't?

Its paypack for white people being racist? I am not racist! My grandparents were involved in the civil rights movement and same with thier grand parents and so on dating to before the civil war! All white people arent responsable!

Tell ya what, if you can find a live slave then I'll give that statement some credence.

Sad to say, slavery is alive and well and exists in most countries in the world. We do manage to assuage our conscience by calling its victims 'prostitutes' or 'migrant workers' but that does not hide the fact! And the victims can be of either gender or of any color.

The best ways to combat 'racism' (a misnommer since the other human races died out millenia ago) are through education and by raising all humans (homo sapiens sapiens) from the hopelessness of grinding poverty.

One last thing - I find 'racial' or ethnic jokes very offensive, and they are also dangerous in that they reenforce unfortunate stereotypes. It is strange that Europeans did not think of other peoples are inferior (just non-Christian) in the 14th, 15th, and 16th centuries; in fact, most 'explorers' thought African or Asian traders and craftsmen to be among the most capable. And they still are!

Its paypack for white people being racist? I am not racist! My grandparents were involved in the civil rights movement and same with thier grand parents and so on dating to before the civil war! All white people arent responsable!I feel white people as a whole are responsible. You and I aren't, but in a way we need to feel responsible for our heritage...

I feel white people as a whole are responsible. You and I aren't, but in a way we need to feel responsible for our heritage...

Bullshit, but you are from Germany so it is understandable that you believe that.

Clearly you have no understanding as to what slavery does to a people. Even your Jesus commemorated and spoke of Jewish slavery 1500 years after it was over. What do you think Passover is ... a Christian jubilee?

You will find a living slave in the souls of every African who's family was forced onto this continent, had his identity stripped from him by the whip and the burdon of labor for which he received no recompense, had his grandmothers beaten and raped, had his grandfathers worked to death in the name of little more than greed and eugenics.

Your attitude disgusts me. Have they stopped teaching Christian compassion in Sunday School?
Dude, i dont realli get at what ur trying 2 say. Before u get at me, i'm from Ireland, i sincerly doubt any of ancestor owned slaves, unless we're talking centuries back but if we r going that far, so wld ur family have. Slavery isnt a racial trait, u dont get slavery genes.U're logic doesnt make any sense. U moan about him not having any christiam compassion, isnt forgivenesss part of both the christian and jewish faith. No-one shld be degraded about their race, no-one regardless of the past. thats not me being uncompasionate, thats me being logical, i am deeply sorry for the slavery trade and for what happened 2 the slaves but thats doesnt give anyone the right 2 be racist

Way to defeat the entire purpose of the civil rights movement, racist :rolleyes:
I dont agree with all that guy is saying either , but you're hardly being a rational debator yourself are you?

Your Jewish- and there was me thinking you were just a ni**ger .... I doubt you are Irish ....... To me you just seem *poor me* through and through ...
What was that supposed to mean. Back off, that seems blantant racism to me. I've read a couple of your post now and they're as full of ignorance as this one. What are you a member of the BMP

I may not be responsible for what my ancestors did, but I damn well owe any African an apology because it was my continent, my skin color, that interfered with it's progress.
I agree, though i wld also say it is important 2 move on. Holding back and not moving on from the dreadful attrocities in N.Ireland has meant that my country still hasnt achevied peace yet, nr will it for many years to come. There is a point where you have to say that was the past, we must learn from it, not repeat it.

I feel white people as a whole are responsible. You and I aren't, but in a way we need to feel responsible for our heritage...

I'm white, and my familiy's history has nothing to do with slavery. I actually think that the country they came from didn't even use slaves, even if it was allowed. I don't think people as a whole should be responsible, as i said about anti-Americanism on a different thread: Just because Bush is a moron doesn't mean everyone in the US is a moron. I should not walk down the street being discriminated about my family owning slaves, nor should any other person. That's nothing we can change if our family had slaves however many years ago.

I'm white and my family did own slaves. Owning slaves was the "cool" thing to do back then. It may be a little embarrassing now, but that is offset by our inherited wealth. I do have to admit, it is pretty awkward when I meet a black person with the same last name as me. There aren't a lot of ettiquette rules for running into people whose ancestors were owned by your ancestors. I usually just say "how's it going?" or "long time no see". Then I wave politely and leave in my Limo. I'm not totally ashamed of my ancestors, because slavery was a really good investment. It has been for at least 10,000 tears. Times change, though. When slavery went bust we shifted most of our assets into tobacco. That was great for a long time, but luckily we got out before the liability settlements, and moved our cash into defense related industries such as Haliburton. So really, all's well that ends well. Right?

I'm white, and my familiy's history has nothing to do with slavery. I actually think that the country they came from didn't even use slaves, even if it was allowed. I don't think people as a whole should be responsible, as i said about anti-Americanism on a different thread: Just because Bush is a moron doesn't mean everyone in the US is a moron. I should not walk down the street being discriminated about my family owning slaves, nor should any other person. That's nothing we can change if our family had slaves however many years ago.Seeing as that Bush hasn't cost an entire continent its future, I also see good reasons not to blame all of us Americans for it.