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No Nazi flags but communist flags? The communists have killed way more people then the Nazis have, Stalin's Russia even killed the Jews too. Now if your going to say "Well that isnt real communism" thats stupid, you people are using the symbols of "fake" communism for your nations(the ones who do which are MANY) Ban them both or allow the Nazi flag to be used.

Boring, tired arguments suck.

Ban them both or allow the Nazi flag to be used.

Yawn. You can have any colour or creed of Nazi flag that you want except for the swastika. Do some research and be inventive.

Whats the point of worrying about it, they are only symbols after all. People should be allowed to use any flag they like, i think, just as long as they are prepared to support the connotations that come with it. FLAG POWER!!!

No Nazi flags but communist flags? The communists have killed way more people then the Nazis have, Stalin's Russia even killed the Jews too. Now if your going to say "Well that isnt real communism" thats stupid, you people are using the symbols of "fake" communism for your nations(the ones who do which are MANY) Ban them both or allow the Nazi flag to be used.
Are we talking about Germany? I believe the germans have good reason for banning the Nazi flag...

I hate both flags because they represent two ideologies that have massacred millions upon millions. But even if I hate them, I have no problem with people displaying them..

Are we talking about Germany? I believe the germans have good reason for banning the Nazi flag...

NS* is the more likely option rather than the state of Germany.







* NationStates rather than National Socialism, obviously.

The mods moved the old thread to "Archieve" so it would "die already". I don't think this is a good idea.

Here's why it is banned:

The swastika is banned by the ignorant totalitarian government in Germany. NationStates doesn't want to be banned in Germany. Cased closed. ;)

But as Grampus said, other symbols and flags are allowed. Such as the German Cross.

NS* is the more likely option rather than the state of Germany.







* NationStates rather than National Socialism, obviously.
Oh. Well, this isn't a democracy, you know. That and generally communists don't run around calling for the elimination of all subhumans.

Oh. Well, this isn't a democracy, you know.

No, and I'm sure that the irony of people complaining about a particular piece of Nazi regalia being banned in a dictatorship isn't lost on you.

That and generally communists don't run around calling for the elimination of all subhumans.

When it comes to the crunch 're-education' can be such a useful word.

This has been debated ad nausium by many, many nations.

The ruling is Commies Cool, Nazis not so much. Period. Not my or any moderators word, but Max Berry himself made that clear to his minio... moderators and admins... yea :D .

Ruling here - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275081

I personally agree with Mr. Berry on this one. The clear difference between Communism and National Socialism is that while both had genocidal governments, the governing philosophies of national socialism actually *call* for killing Jews and other sub-humans, whereas Communist doctrine calls for no such evil. Though both Hitler and Stalin used these philosophies for those ends, the philosophies themselves are clearly divided.

I support the ruling, and although I wish there was some way Hindu use of the swastika could be allowed, I understand and accept the full ban.

Blah blah blah. I could care less about the indignation. I understand Max Barry doesn't want Nazi flags. Guess what? No Nazi flags.

Cope with it. We're all here 'cause of Max, and Max has the final word. Tough luck.

It's really a shame that the nazis corrupted such a symbol as the swastika which was quite harmless before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastikas

No, and I'm sure that the irony of people complaining about a particular piece of Nazi regalia being banned in a dictatorship isn't lost on you.



When it comes to the crunch 're-education' can be such a useful word.
Yeah, but at least re-education isn't dogma...

There are a couple of differences between Nazi flags and communist flags. Nazi swastika flags are connected with the wide spread systematic killings of specific individuals (jews, gays, gypsies...). Communism is suppose to stand for all people being equal with no class distincion.

It's really a shame that the nazis corrupted such a symbol as the swastika which was quite harmless before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastikas

Pointy, though. Im sure it must cane to get a swastica in the eye.

Perhaps an interesting ancillary question.

Since the Swastika was essentially co-opted from Hinduism (iirc, probably not I'm American) if it appeared in the original five millenia old context would it then be permited?

Nope. It isn't permitted. Of course if people want to have triskedelia in the style of the AWB or pictures of their beloved Fuhrer or any other similar blatant pro-Nazi symbolism then they are free to do so. Similarly, if people wanting to indicate an adherance or support for Hinduism or other ideologies/cultures/beliefs that used the Swastika prior to 1933, then they are free to use other symbols from said ideologies/cultures/beliefs.

No Nazi flags but communist flags? The communists have killed way more people then the Nazis have, Stalin's Russia even killed the Jews too. Now if your going to say "Well that isnt real communism" thats stupid, you people are using the symbols of "fake" communism for your nations(the ones who do which are MANY) Ban them both or allow the Nazi flag to be used.

*Yawn* :rolleyes:

Perhaps an interesting ancillary question.

Since the Swastika was essentially co-opted from Hinduism (iirc, probably not I'm American) if it appeared in the original five millenia old context would it then be permited?
Well, I know the Swastika was used primarily by the Jains, a Hindu sect. Even the Jains have modified their own symbol due to the notoreity of the Nazi Party and Hitler's cultural misappropriation of their religious symbol. They're less than pleased about it (had a Jain friend for many years. His last name was Jain. It made things very easy. lol.)

So, considering how the Jains feel, I'd say no.

Blah blah blah. I could care less about the indignation. I understand Max Barry doesn't want Nazi flags. Guess what? No Nazi flags.

Cope with it. We're all here 'cause of Max, and Max has the final word. Tough luck.
Yep--it's just that simple. He owns the playground, he gets to make the rules a about how we play. If Militiades doesn't like it, he can play somewhere else.

So, considering how the Jains feel, I'd say no.

In this virtual space that we occupy what the Jains feel is effectively irrelevant. There is one chap that has the say on these matters and he has spoken.

I think you people are misunderestimating the damadge a diamond-studded swastica can do! Think about it!

I think you people are misunderestimating the damadge a diamond-studded swastica can do! Think about it!
2d6+1 damage
That's powerful stuff!

2d6+1 damage
That's powerful stuff!

* casts Stoneskin *


(unless it got nerfed post the original Unearthed Arcana)

* casts Stoneskin *


(unless it got nerfed post the original Unearthed Arcana)
There are times when my dorkiness pays off in spades. :D

* casts Stoneskin *


(unless it got nerfed post the original Unearthed Arcana)

Pah. *casts magic missile* I love my AD&D.

Summoner Geeks, all.

*I am Galstaff, Sorcerer of Light!*

No Nazi flags but communist flags? The communists have killed way more people then the Nazis have, Stalin's Russia even killed the Jews too. Now if your going to say "Well that isnt real communism" thats stupid, you people are using the symbols of "fake" communism for your nations(the ones who do which are MANY) Ban them both or allow the Nazi flag to be used.

What is your point exactly? A debate about communisme, Nazisme and the other -isme: US Republicanisme?

Why not try the Finnish swastika? :rolleyes:

Boring

Summoner Geeks, all.

*I am Galstaff, Sorcerer of Light!*

*I am Dethren, Paladin of bananas and other suggestively shaped fruit, excluding swedes!*

Pah. *casts magic missile* I love my AD&D.

Hah. Unless you are multi-classed you can't both cast magic missile and be profficient in throwing swastikas. -5 to hit with the throwing iron, if I remember correctly.






(...unless name level Rangers in 1st edition get access to Magic-User spell lists... I defer to the Nazz's expertise on this one)

We've explained this before. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275081

This is Max Barry's site, therefore he decides what is and isn't allowed.

Enough with the spamming/hi-jacking, some of you.


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