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Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41

Things costing more is terrific!


Good grief, what do you think we think....

Sucks to burn $10 of gas per day just commuting to and from work, but what are you gonna do?

Second thread on this since yesterday?

Anyway, it was calculated in the last one that the British pay about $6.70 for 1 US gallon of unleaded.

Sucks to burn $10 of gas per day just commuting to and from work, but what are you gonna do?
Buy a more economical car or move closer to work :p

Peak Oil Crisis in 5..4...3...

$1.40 here
NZ$1=US$.70

I think it's officially $3 a gallon here in California.

Thank God I don't have a car and just leech off everyone else I know.

Buy a more economical car or move closer to work :p
I'm planning to get a more economical car. I'm not moving closer to my job though. Why would I want to leave beautiful Trenton, New Jersey?

I'm planning to get a more economical car. I'm not moving closer to my job though. Why would I want to leave beautiful Trenton, New Jersey?
Jeezus christ. You've my condolences..... It's unbelievable what people have to do to live. New jersey...there but for the grace of God go I.....

Jeezus christ. You've my condolences..... It's unbelievable what people have to do to live. New jersey...there but for the grace of God go I.....
What? Dude, Trenton's a great little city. I seriously wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41

I just have to laugh at the thought of that being a high price. I wish it was the same here

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41

THANK YOU, SUV DRIVERS!

This is a demand issue... SUVs use a shit-load of gas. High demand, high gas prices.

DRIVE CARS

(hehe)

THANK YOU, SUV DRIVERS!

This is a demand issue... SUVs use a shit-load of gas. High demand, high gas prices.

DRIVE CARS

(hehe)

BS, this is a "CEO of BIG OIL is constipated so we raise prices" issue. They're using any excuse (King died, maybe some bad weather next year, etc). That plus no new refineries since god knows when.

Then get the Smart that just wastes 50 miles a gallon....

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41

It's a good thing for mother nature

Generally, high oil prices are due to several factors:

1. Chinese demand constricts supply

2. The horrendous fuel inefficency of US automobiles; of course, this has a lot to do with the "partnerships" with oil companies, where cars are intentionally made less efficent to result in higher oil consumption.

3. The world's most oppressive monopoly, OPEC, doesn't give a damn about the wellbeing of the world economy; they let oil get just high enough without lowering demand.

4. American oil companies don't give a shit about the wellbeing of the US economy

5.We can't build more refineries because of obstructionism and conflicts of interest within the Senate, and there are too many "boutique" blends of gasoline for particular states.

I'd love for it to even be $2.41 here. More like $2.73 last time I checked.

What really sucks is that I remember it being $0.98 at one station less than 8 years ago! And I'm only 22.

I'd love for it to even be $2.41 here. More like $2.73 last time I checked.

What really sucks is that I remember it being $0.98 at one station less than 8 years ago! And I'm only 22.

It was that low as early as 2001! This price gouging has only been going on since September 2004.

Haha, it rocks living near South Carolina the lowest gas prices in the country...!

Damn, i thought you said high GRASS prices. £25 for an 1/8 is about the price in my area, but thats for skunk. I produce lots of gas for free, and even burn it on occasion.

1. Chinese demand constricts supply

China's demand is down and has been reduced by 150,000 barrels per day.

2. The horrendous fuel inefficency of US automobiles; of course, this has a lot to do with the "partnerships" with oil companies, where cars are intentionally made less efficent to result in higher oil consumption.

Fuel efficiency has been generally improving in the past decade.

I've already gone through this enough and in fact I think there is a bubble in the oil market that is getting larger.

Production is expected to increase 20% by 2010 to 100 million barrels per day, eliminating shortfalls.

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41
I don't think you should be complainning. Most Europeans have to pay way more for gas than we do. Desiel cars are the norm in much of Europe because of there better feul efficiency. I've also heard that car manufactures have accually sold hybrid cars in Europe, too.


Fuel efficiency has been generally improving in the past decade.European cars are becoming more feul efficient at a faster rate than North American cars.

China's demand is down and has been reduced by 150,000 barrels per day.

Fuel efficiency has been generally improving in the past decade.

I've already gone through this enough and in fact I think there is a bubble in the oil market that is getting larger.

Production is expected to increase 20% by 2010 to 100 million barrels per day, eliminating shortfalls.


There is a huge oil bubble, but they haven't found their Microstrategy yet (dot-com bubble reference ;) ).

Chinese demand has been constantly revised down over the past month or so, which points to problems, but there is still the rapid growth up to this point that is raising prices.

Fuel efficency is good, but it could be better; there are conflicts of interest that will prevent this until we make it profitable to increase it (tax cuts).

There is no shortage of oil in the ground, but a tight cushion of refining capacity. If we increase refining capacity, the extraction capacity will follow suit and prices will fall.

This is true because the supply of crude oil has been running above the high end of the average supply trend by 3 or 4 million barrels, and it has been rising when declines were expected, but prices have risen. This bubble is banking entirely on gasoline, and when refining is increased, it will finally collapse.

I don't think you should be complainning. Most Europeans have to pay way more for gas than we do. Desiel cars are the norm in much of Europe because of there better feul efficiency. I've also heard that car manufactures have accually sold hybrid cars in Europe, too.

I'm not complaining because I'm originally from Spain and I use the public transportation. I never was complaining. I usually bitch at people here for complaining. So please understand who you are talking to.

European cars are becoming more feul efficient at a faster rate than North American cars.

That's why most people I know are buying European and Japanese cars here. One of my friends just sold his SUV and went for something more fuel efficient.

Chinese demand has been constantly revised down over the past month or so, which points to problems, but there is still the rapid growth up to this point that is raising prices.

China is also having oil shortages. I'm hoping for more downwards demands to ease pressure on the market.


There is no shortage of oil in the ground, but a tight cushion of refining capacity. If we increase refining capacity, the extraction capacity will follow suit and prices will fall.

I never said there was a shortage. I distinctly said companies are starting to invest in more refineries, and that production will be 100 million barrels a day by 2010. This is refinery production.

China is also having oil shortages. I'm hoping for more downwards demands to ease pressure on the market.

I never said there was a shortage. I distinctly said companies are starting to invest in more refineries, and that production will be 100 million barrels a day by 2010. This is refinery production.

China's got more problems than we know about, and this is just another sign that their growth engine is breaking down.

I was more addressing the argument that there is a shortage and we've reached "Peak Oil" (the speculators' favorite bogeyman); however, there will be a need for US oil refining as well as international, because that will make us less vulnerable to supply disruptions. If we can get 100mln bpd processed, oil prices will drop like a stone.

We also need to get rid of "boutique" blends of gasoline and focus on one type with three grades.

China's got more problems than we know about, and this is just another sign that their growth engine is breaking down.

I was more addressing the argument that there is a shortage and we've reached "Peak Oil" (the speculators' favorite bogeyman); however, there will be a need for US oil refining as well as international, because that will make us less vulnerable to supply disruptions. If we can get 100mln bpd processed, oil prices will drop like a stone.

Peak oil.. that's a little misnomer little fanatics have been screaming about for decades.. They said we were headed for it in the 1980s. And then in the 1990s.

Oil is expected to last for another 150-500 years (depending on what what area). And in that time we will have more then enough time to improve efficiency.

China has a lot of issues and I've focused a lot on it. That'll reduce demand substantially. China also cannot afford prices at these prices.

Peak oil.. that's a little misnomer little fanatics have been screaming about for decades.. They said we were headed for it in the 1980s. And then in the 1990s.

Oil is expected to last for another 150-500 years (depending on what what area). And in that time we will have more then enough time to improve efficiency.

China has a lot of issues and I've focused a lot on it. That'll reduce demand substantially. China also cannot afford prices at these prices.

Or more, depending on how technology improves efficency and profitability of alternative energy. If we continue to become more efficent, that number will be even higher

And now in the 2000's, peak oil's come back a third time. It's the dream that won't die.

China can't afford oil because it's economy isn't efficent enough to afford it. Their oil efficency is probably like ours in the 1960's or 70's, and they don't have the inflation-fighting tools to control the oil shock like we do. I have a feeling stagflation may become a reality in China.

Oil will also get cheaper if the dollar gets stronger, and as long as the budget deficit falls, economy stays stronger than Europe's and interest rates stay higher than the Eurozone's, the dollar will strengthen,

And now in the 2000's, peak oil's come back a third time. It's the dream that won't die.

Well I treat them like I treat those Heaven's Gate cult people.

China can't afford oil because it's economy isn't efficent enough to afford it. Their oil efficency is probably like ours in the 1960's or 70's, and they don't have the inflation-fighting tools to control the oil shock like we do. I have a feeling stagflation may become a reality in China.

Or worse.. their oil efficiency is probably even worse. I heard they are already having shortages. They have good efficency controls on paper, but the system is so corrupt people get away with things all the time. Stagflation may already be happening in China, as well as oil shortages.

Oil will also get cheaper if the dollar gets stronger, and as long as the budget deficit falls, economy stays stronger than Europe's and interest rates stay higher than the Eurozone's, the dollar will strengthen,

Well the thing is the US economy is stronger then that of Europe's nonetheless, and stands on better ground. We still produce something like 40% of our own oil.. many countries like France and Germany have to rely on outside sources.

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41


My comment?? This is real bullshit!! I say we just glass 'em and TAKE the goddamn oil! I'm sick and tired of these rotten high prices!

My WAGES don't go up this fast, and I need gas to go back and forth to work or to look for jobs. It's too goddam expensive.

THANK YOU, SUV DRIVERS!

This is a demand issue... SUVs use a shit-load of gas. High demand, high gas prices.

DRIVE CARS

(hehe)

No shit. Oughta make those goddam things illegal! the people who drive them all drive like assholes, anyway. I hate the way SUV drivers intentionally intimidate everyone on the road around them.

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41
I hate to say this, but as far as I'm concerned, the higher gas prices go the sooner we'll figure out that the oil supply isn't going to last forever and that we need to find alternative sources of energy. Sounds a bit harsh, but life is sometimes that way.

I hate to say this, but as far as I'm concerned, the higher gas prices go the sooner we'll figure out that the oil supply isn't going to last forever and that we need to find alternative sources of energy. Sounds a bit harsh, but life is sometimes that way.

Supply is limited yes. But it is expected to last up to 150 years. I predict 500-700 years myself because I think efficency will get better and better..

I'd love for it to even be $2.41 here. More like $2.73 last time I checked.

What really sucks is that I remember it being $0.98 at one station less than 8 years ago! And I'm only 22.


I can remember it being $0.45 when I was a kid. (I'm 38)

I can remember it being $0.45 when I was a kid. (I'm 38)
LOL! Yeah. Some friends of mine and I use to drive an old hydromatic shift Chrysler back and forth to the college campus. We would stop by the gas station on the way to class and put $0.50 worth of gas in it, then put in another $0.50 on the way home. :D

Supply is limited yes. But it is expected to last up to 150 years. I predict 500-700 years myself because I think efficency will get better and better..

I don't know where you get those from. Even the USGS puts peak petroleum supply at 2030.

I don't know where you get those from. Even the USGS puts peak petroleum supply at 2030.

Sources? That peak oil argument is full of holes and is ridiculous (not looking at the facts). It doesn't take in regard that so little oil is actually being extracted of what there really is.

In 1970 they said we would hit peak oil by 2003.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/mcgowanpeakoilandclubofrome14mar05.shtml

Never happened.

"The Club of Rome, a non-profit global think tank, said in the 1970s that we'd hit peak oil in 2003. It didn't happen." So said Kevin Kelleher, writing for Popular Science magazine in August of this year. But it did indeed happen, according to Michael Ruppert and his band of resident 'experts,' who collectively insist that the planet is now at the point of 'peak' oil production. (Kevin Kelleher "How Long Will the Oil Age Last?" Popular Science, August 2004)"

No shit. Oughta make those goddam things illegal! the people who drive them all drive like assholes, anyway. I hate the way SUV drivers intentionally intimidate everyone on the road around them.



Another thing we agree on! :eek:


Something's wrong here....who are you and what have you done with the real Lyric!?

i live by dallas and when i was driving to go to dinner the gas was like 245 pg but then wen i drove home it was 255pg.... but what am i gonna do? create a oil making machine...lol no we need to find alternate sources somewhere down the line....

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41
Bush Desperate to Downplay Energy Rip-Off (http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/04/bush-desperate-to-downplay-energy-rip.html)

President Bush is expected to trumpet his "long-term" energy "solutions" at a press conference tonight. He is talking about nuclear power, and he's talking about drilling, and he's talking about every other cockamamie idea except the one that could make a difference to middle class people - cracking down on oil companies who are literally price gouging the American people:

- USA Today reports "Exxon Mobil said Thursday that first-quarter earnings soared 44% from last year, due mainly to strong crude and natural gas prices...The company's net income surged to $7.86 billion."

- Reuters reports "Royal Dutch/Shell comfortably beat analysts' forecasts to report a 28 percent rise in first-quarter profits, helped by surging oil prices and strong refining margins...The company's earnings rose to $5.548 billion."

- The Houston Chronicle reports "ConocoPhillips, the nation's third-largest oil and gas company, said today that first-quarter earnings soared year-over-year on high oil prices, though they were partially offset by unplanned downtime in the company's exploration and production unit. The company's net income jumped to $2.91 billion."

Perhaps the US should "nationalize" the oil companies? :D

In 1970 they said we would hit peak oil by 2003.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/mcgowanpeakoilandclubofrome14mar05.shtml

Never happened.

"The Club of Rome, a non-profit global think tank, said in the 1970s that we'd hit peak oil in 2003. It didn't happen." So said Kevin Kelleher, writing for Popular Science magazine in August of this year. But it did indeed happen, according to Michael Ruppert and his band of resident 'experts,' who collectively insist that the planet is now at the point of 'peak' oil production. (Kevin Kelleher "How Long Will the Oil Age Last?" Popular Science, August 2004)"

Oil supplies are a complex thing. There's politics involved. What they never counted on was the oil embargoes of the late 1970's.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there is a finite amount of oil in the ground. Whatever that amount is is not the issue. The point is that at some point, production IS going to peak, and it's increasingly looking likely to happen within the next few years.

Even IF this peak oil thing is in 30 years, now is the perfect time to plan. The US's own documents say that at least a 20 year period would be required to retrofit its economy.

Oil supplies are a complex thing. There's politics involved. What they never counted on was the oil embargoes of the late 1970's.

They were predicting oil was going to run out by 2003. It never happened. In fact there is said to be more then enough oil in the Alberta to supply the world (this is light sweet grade crude too). Oil is not reaching any peak oil stage.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there is a finite amount of oil in the ground. Whatever that amount is is not the issue. The point is that at some point, production IS going to peak, and it's increasingly looking likely to happen within the next few years.

I never said it was infinite. I'm saying the notion that it is going to peak in the next few years is totally and utterly incorrect. It isn't increasingly looking like that. You need to stop listening to the people who know nothing and look at the actual facts.

http://www.mikwec.com/PDFs/AB_OilSands_2003_09_09.pdf

Alberta would be very close to Saudi Arabia in oil production. Alberta's oil reserves are barely tapped.

Even IF this peak oil thing is in 30 years, now is the perfect time to plan. The US's own documents say that at least a 20 year period would be required to retrofit its economy.

Peak oil may not be for another 100 years the way I look at it. You really need to get your facts right.

Also some technology that we need to look at:

http://www.kantor.com/useful/thermo.shtml

We can make oil from garbage.

Peak oil may not be for another 100 years the way I look at it. You really need to get your facts right.

Also some technology that we need to look at:

http://www.kantor.com/useful/thermo.shtml

We can make oil from garbage.
Perhaps you should discuss your theory with Dick Cheney?

Dick Cheney, Peak Oil and the Final Count Down (http://www.peakoil.net/Publications/Cheney_PeakOil_FCD.pdf)

Perhaps you should discuss your theory with Dick Cheney?

Dick Cheney, Peak Oil and the Final Count Down (http://www.peakoil.net/Publications/Cheney_PeakOil_FCD.pdf)

Something Alberta can easily account for. A place where at that time people did not look at heavily because oil sands were not profitable.. but now they are. Alberta has the second largest crude reserves in the world, and will be producing 3 million BPD by 2010.

You need a better source then that though. That site has been trying to raise scares.

Peak oil is bullshit. It is not going to happen for like 100 years. Why ignore the facts? Why ignore the fact about Alberta?

More facts smashing the peak oil conspiracy theorists who have been harping on about it for thirty years:

http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/89.asp

Second only to the Saudi Arabia reserves, Alberta's oil sands deposits were described by Time Magazine as "Canada's greatest buried energy treasure," and "could satisfy the world's demand for petroleum for the next century."
Oil Sands are deposits of bitumen, a molasses-like viscous oil that will not flow unless heated or diluted with lighter hydrocarbons. They are contained in three major areas beneath 140,800 square kilometres of north-eastern Alberta - an area larger than the state of Florida, an area twice the size of New Brunswick, more than four and half times the size of Vancouver Island, and 26 times larger than Prince Edward Island. However, only about two per cent of the initial established resource has been produced to date.

Alberta Energy encourages the responsible development of these extensive deposits through planning and liaison with government, industry and communities to ensure a competitive royalty regime that is attractive to investors, appropriate regulations and environmental protection and the management of Crown rights to oil sands while taking into account some of the barriers - higher technological risk and higher capital costs - faced by oil sands developers.

Alberta's oil sands industry is the result of multi-billion-dollar investments in infrastructure and technology required to develop the non-conventional resource. In the last five years alone, industry has allocated $24.7 billion towards oil sands development.

In 2003 Alberta's oil sands were the source of about 52.7 per cent of the province's total crude oil and equivalent production and about 34.8 per cent of all crude oil and equivalent produced in Canada. Over the last three fiscal years, from 2001/2002 to 2003/2004, oil sands development returned $565 million to Albertans in the form of royalties paid to the provincial government.

Annual oil sands production is growing steadily as the industry matures. Output of marketable oil sands production increased to 858,000 barrels per day (bbl/d) in 2003, up from 741,000 bbl/d the year before. It is anticipated that in 2005, Alberta's oil sands production may account for one-half of Canada's total crude output and 10 per cent of North American production. It is also predicted that the oil sands will create a total of 102,000 new jobs across Canada by 2012.

Development of Alberta's oil sands resources represents a triumph of technological innovation. Over the years, government and industry have worked together to find innovative and economic ways to extract and process the oil sands and energy research is more important today than ever before. Working through the Alberta Energy Research Institute, the Alberta government is committed to a collaborative approach to spur new technology and innovation programs that will reduce the impact of greenhouse gases and other emissions, and reduce the consumption of water and gas.

Another thing we agree on! :eek:


Something's wrong here....who are you and what have you done with the real Lyric!?

Jesus, check the temperature in Hell! I feel like I'm in an episode of "Invasion of the Body snatchers!!" One could ask YOU the same question, Neo...who are you and what have you done with the REAL Neo?!!??

Supply is limited yes. But it is expected to last up to 150 years. I predict 500-700 years myself because I think efficency will get better and better..
But it's going to be more and more expensive. They will find a drop here and a drop there and it's pretty damn expensive (too expensive for the effort) to drill it up. Plus the quality is not as good.

Blow up your crappy Ford Pick-up truck and buy something nice which does more than 35 mpg.

Also, I think the high prices are great, maybe we can save the environment.

But it's going to be more and more expensive. They will find a drop here and a drop there and it's pretty damn expensive (too expensive for the effort) to drill it up. Plus the quality is not as good.

Actually the website I showed that stated that Canada having the 2nd largest proven oil reserves in the world, shows that oil sands is no longer expensive. They have invested billions into the technology and now it is affordable to extract. Also most of the oil in Alberta is of light sweet crude grade.

So to say that there is a oil peak in the next few years is not correct.

here in britain i dont know if it has been mentioned but it is now over a pound a litre convert at your leisrue but that is bloody expensive so untill you hit prices like these in america quite complaining you're ahead of other countries.

Actually the website I showed that stated that Canada having the 2nd largest proven oil reserves in the world, shows that oil sands is no longer expensive. They have invested billions into the technology and now it is affordable to extract. Also most of the oil in Alberta is of light sweet crude grade.

So to say that there is a oil peak in the next few years is not correct.
OK, I hadn't read it back then. Russians have loads of oil in Syberia too which is still too expensive to drill but I'm pretty sure that China will be willing to pay for it in few years. Syberia is relatively close to China anyway. Of course the billions invested will also affect the price.
BUT I do believe that there will be a oil peak in next ten years. I've read so many articles about it that yours won't change my opinion.

Thanks anyway. More information is always a good thing.

here in britain i dont know if it has been mentioned but it is now over a pound a litre convert at your leisrue but that is bloody expensive so untill you hit prices like these in america quite complaining you're ahead of other countries.
Honestly? A pound over a litre?
I just filled my tank 1.27€/litre but that's about -hmm, quessing- 0.8 pounds

(damn I can't use this lap top...the layout is different...)

Honestly? A pound over a litre?
I just filled my tank 1.27€/litre but that's about -hmm, quessing- 0.8 pounds

(damn I can't use this lap top...the layout is different...)

Finland, cool!

Finland, cool!
Oh yes, way too cool

Unless you live in Atlantic Canada, you have no right to complain. Here, it's CDN$1.08 per liter, which is $4.10 per gallon, or US$3.42 per gallon. I wish it was only $2.41 a gallon here. Lucky bastards

Actually the website I showed that stated that Canada having the 2nd largest proven oil reserves in the world, shows that oil sands is no longer expensive. They have invested billions into the technology and now it is affordable to extract. Also most of the oil in Alberta is of light sweet crude grade.

So to say that there is a oil peak in the next few years is not correct.
So... when is the US scheduling their invasion of Alberta to liberate the oi... er, people, from the tyrranical dictatorship of the Canadian Federal Government?

I'M KIDDING, I'M KIDDING, stop hitting me! :D

I'm glad we're making progress on our oil sands technology, but I still hope we move away from oil as a source of fuel. The only thing that's going to make us do so is economics, so personally, the higher the gas prices go, the better.

Though it sucks when I want to drive somewhere. :p

Though it sucks when I want to drive somewhere. :p
Hitchhike!

Unless you live in Atlantic Canada, you have no right to complain. Here, it's CDN$1.08 per liter, which is $4.10 per gallon, or US$3.42 per gallon. I wish it was only $2.41 a gallon here. Lucky bastards

Quit your moaning. 1 canadian dollar is about 0.46 great british pounds.

CDN$1.08 per litre < gbp£0.50 per litre.

It costs gbp£0.90 at least a litre in Britain

Hitchhike!
But then some creepy pervert might pick me up! Er... hey, now that I think about it... :D

Quit your moaning. 1 canadian dollar is about 0.46 great british pounds.

CDN$1.08 per litre < gbp£0.50 per litre.

It costs gbp£0.90 at least a litre in Britain
Since when it's been so damn expensive in UK? I know it has always been quite expensive, but even more than around here? That's news to me.

It is really annoying. All my relatives live rather far away and I also like to go camping/hiking/etc around the country and the distances aren't short...Fortunately my car only takes about 5/100

It just hit $1.05 (CDN) a litre here the other day

But then some creepy pervert might pick me up! Er... hey, now that I think about it... :D
Exactly...
No really, some of the memories are the best ones I have. Maybe it's not wise around there but I've never had a bad experience (ok, some annoying yuppies yes, but nothing bad)

Don't forget that a US gallon is only 132 ounces, whereas an Imperial (Canadian/UK) gallon is 160 ounces. When you factor that in, the price for a comparable gallon of gas is only slightly cheaper in the US.

Actually if you look at current trends in world economics you will find that high oil prices have less to do with the Saudi King dying and more to do with the fact that China has about doubled in oil consumption.

Actually if you look at current trends in world economics you will find that high oil prices have less to do with the Saudi King dying and more to do with the fact that China has about doubled in oil consumption.
Oh really?!? *amazed*




/bad sarcasm

I think the best thing to do is to kill all the CEOs that way until the next greedy son of a Bitch comes up they will have to be fair.

We're getting near £1 a LITRE, god knows what that is a gallon, Im a metric child.

My dad says that he spends about £80-£100 a week ($145-$180) getting to work. :o

Exactly...
No really, some of the memories are the best ones I have. Maybe it's not wise around there but I've never had a bad experience (ok, some annoying yuppies yes, but nothing bad)
Hehe, actually, I'm too shy to attempt hitchhiking, not to mention if I show any leg, they'd just drive by faster. :eek: :D

But I imagine it's a relatively safe practice around here, too. :)

Besides, it's not hitchhiking... it's 'anonymous car-pooling'. :D

Hehe, actually, I'm too shy to attempt hitchhiking, not to mention if I show any leg, they'd just drive by faster. :eek: :D

But I imagine it's a relatively safe practice around here, too. :)

Besides, it's not hitchhiking... it's 'anonymous car-pooling'. :D
too shy???? well alright, you have to be talkative with all kind of people, like chicken farmers who have 4000 eggs in their car (!) or some religious freaks who want to sing all the time...

Then again -it's an economical thing to do...

I haven't hitchiked since I bought my car. Now I would like to sell it but I'd need one in a year anyway and I can't get to e.g. our cottage without a car (or I could take 3 buses and a taxi but it would cost me even more...)

come to britain its 90p a litre here

$1=60p aproximatly but it goes up and down

but the price is mainly due to the petrol companys making obcene profits and the government rightly taxing it to death

I agree with the rightly bit, save the environment I say!

I read this whole thread and was disappointed to find that none of you said anything about trucks. Truckers are the backbone of the American economy. If all the trucks in the country stopped moving, you would all starve to death in 3 days.

Hundreds of Truckers Protest High Gas Prices (http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20050811205856526)
Thursday, August 11 2005 @ 08:58 PM PDT

MIAMI -- More than 600 truckers gathered in their big rigs Wednesday to protest the rising gas prices in South Florida, NBC 6's Hank Tester reported.

Traffic in the area was at a standstill as the trucks started a caravan headed toward Miami City Hall.

The trucks traveled 20 miles to present a petition requesting a fuel surcharge break for independently owned trucks.

The truckers claim that the high cost of gas has made it impossible for them to earn a living.

"The airlines are charging passengers. The steam ship lines are charging the shippers. Everyone who's got clout is getting a surcharge," said Ron Carver of the Teamsters Union. "But the truck drivers who have to buy their own fuel are going into bankruptcy because they don't have the clout to demand this. So they're here today asking Congress to pass a mandatory fuel surcharge to keep them afloat."

The drivers told NBC 6 that the shipping companies that contract them to haul to the Port of Miami pay around 85 cents per mile. With the high cost of gas, operating per mile could cost 60 cents.

"A lot of people are making money on this business -- the shipping line, the owner of the company, the marine terminal. They make a lot of money but we are poor," driver Luis Rivera said.

Rivera owns his own rig and contracts with shippers who he says do not adjust per mile fees to cover the increase in gas. For Rivera, what's left is not much of a living for he, his wife and kids.

you think it's bad now? wait until you have to grow your own food because a trucker can't afford to drive it to the grocery store. i hope gas reaches $5 a gallon, but not for the truckers. they don't deserve it.

What about railways?

I think we should just nationalise all the transport links again like we did in the 40's 50's and just run them in the most efficient manner

i.e. use more river, coastal and railway traffic for stuff as it's better for the environment its also cheeper alot of the time

also we should start using some of these new air ship designs for stuff that has to be moved quickly as its cheeper and more green also less noisy and can land almost any where (some of the bigger aircats that have been designed can carry like 10,000 tons from america to britain in like under 48 hours)

also more public transport as this is better for everyone (think how often you peeps who live in big cities get stuck in traffic or can't find any parking)

so government run transport that is charged at cost of provision is my plan

I think we should just nationalise all the transport links again like we did in the 40's 50's and just run them in the most efficient manner

i.e. use more river, coastal and railway traffic for stuff as it's better for the environment its also cheeper alot of the time

also we should start using some of these new air ship designs for stuff that has to be moved quickly as its cheeper and more green also less noisy and can land almost any where (some of the bigger aircats that have been designed can carry like 10,000 tons from america to britain in like under 48 hours)

also more public transport as this is better for everyone (think how often you peeps who live in big cities get stuck in traffic or can't find any parking)

so government run transport that is charged at cost of provision is my plan

Are you from the U.K.?

If you are U.K.ish then there really is no need to nationalise the railways, it's just that Labour has really stuck their oar in and screwed them up. It was mostly that Byres bastard.

Looks like the thread got popular. So did anyone here that people sued a gas station for pouring diesal instead of regular gas

OK, I hadn't read it back then. Russians have loads of oil in Syberia too which is still too expensive to drill but I'm pretty sure that China will be willing to pay for it in few years. Syberia is relatively close to China anyway. Of course the billions invested will also affect the price.
BUT I do believe that there will be a oil peak in next ten years. I've read so many articles about it that yours won't change my opinion.

Thanks anyway. More information is always a good thing.

First off, the oil peak is not going to be in ten years because of the sheer size of the Canadian reserves. Secondly, there are huge oil sand deposits in the United States too (try around Colorado.. I will look at it). Thirdly, we can turn trash into oil.

I have been lecturing people on this forum a long time about how we have enough oil and even we keep consuming at the pace we are (or even greater at 100 million BPD) we will not hit an oil peak till 2150. Now I highly doubt we would hit an oil peak because we will continue to lessen our dependence on oil.

The facts are clear: Our economy is far less oil dependent then it was in the 1970s and 1980s. You read so many articles about it? How about posting these articles? I can go on and on about why we as human beings have tapped only into so little of the actual oil supplies are in the world today. I can also say there are oil sands in the US that are barely tapped into also.

Also lets go back to a hot topic. Iraq. Iraq is barely producing any oil and has been that way for nearly a decade. Their oil reserves are almost completely untapped.

Iraq and Canada will be the ones to look at in the future. I believe Iraq will develop its oil reserves in due time. No matter if you agree with the war or not that's not the issue, the issue is Iraq is not going to let the oil just sit there. Iraq is currently producing anywhere from 1.8 million BPD to 2.2 million BPD. They are essentially under-producing.

I do believe in a gradual process towards alternative energies and more efficient petroleum usage nonetheless.. hybrids are the future in my mind. Just imagine every American using a vehicle that has 50 MPG instead of 10-15 MPG like the SUVs.

Edit: Here is a link to Iraq's oil exportation if you don't believe me:

http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/050810/2005081001.html

1.6 million BPD are exported daily.

you think it's bad now? wait until you have to grow your own food because a trucker can't afford to drive it to the grocery store. i hope gas reaches $5 a gallon, but not for the truckers. they don't deserve it.

They said that in the 1980s. Not going to happen. The government would step in and provide subsidies.

I'm amazed how many people here have such little understanding about oil economics and production.

"more to do with the fact that China has about doubled in oil consumption. "

Actually Chinese oil consumption is being slashed by 150,000 BPD and there are now fuel shortages occurring in China. China is being hit by this and their economy will slow.

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Add: It is happening, the US is taking strong interest in Alberta. Bush is sending Cheney to Alberta next month!

http://www.canada.com/calgary/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=041ec50b-3316-43d7-af88-894d14b8c787

Now all you Canadians.. be sure to greet him with respect :)

"Cheney's visit indicates the oilsands have arrived as a recognized global energy source and "not some interesting science experiment in the backwoods of Alberta," said Pierre Alvarez, president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers.

"It is a proven, reliable, high-tech industry that's poised to make an important contribution to the North American energy scene," Alvarez said.

Interest in Canada's oilpatch continues to grow as the demand for fresh crude supplies becomes more intense. Political uncertainty in oil producing hot spots around the world has made Canada's oil and gas supplies even more attractive to the United States and other countries.

China has also been eyeing the Canadian oilpatch -- a point not lost on Washington. Canada is the largest supplier of oil to the U.S. and major American petroleum producers have made big investments in their northern neighbour.

Alberta's oilsands are also viewed as a major piece of the puzzle in meeting North America's energy demands.

Oilsands production exceeded one million barrels a day this year, but that figure is expected to strike 2.7 million barrels daily by 2015. The United States, meanwhile, consumes about 20 million barrels of oil a day. Cheney's visit is "recognition of the role Fort McMurray and northeast Alberta is going to be playing in the future supply of the United States and Canada," noted longtime oilpatch observer Ian Doig, of Doig's Digest."

Looks like the thread got popular. So did anyone here that people sued a gas station for pouring diesal instead of regular gas

I'd sue them for that, too. Diesel fuel in a regular-gas car would fuck up the engine. Bet your ass the gas station that put the wrong fuel in my car...or mislabelled their pump, causing ME to do it...would be getting my fucking repair bill!!

I'd sue them for that, too. Diesel fuel in a regular-gas car would fuck up the engine. Bet your ass the gas station that put the wrong fuel in my car...or mislabelled their pump, causing ME to do it...would be getting my fucking repair bill!!

Now something we agree on.

My dad's second car got fucked up because some idiot labeled the pumps wrong.. the engine caught fire if I remember what he told me correctly... his car was ruined... he couldn't get it repaired. There was permanent damage.

Don't forget that a US gallon is only 132 ounces, whereas an Imperial (Canadian/UK) gallon is 160 ounces. When you factor that in, the price for a comparable gallon of gas is only slightly cheaper in the US.

Actually, a U.S. Gallon is 128 ounces. Or 3.78 Liters. Or 4 liquid quarts. An Imperial Gallon (which is used in Canada) has 5 liquid quarts. Or 160 Ounces.

Also, I think the high prices are great, maybe we can save the environment.

I take it YOU aren't driving and thus, aren't PAYING these prices.

FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT, I GOTTA GO TO WORK WITHOUT BEING PAUPERIZED!!!

Oh, and don't even go there with "public transport." There ISN'T ANY PUBLIC TRANSPORT out where I live!! You either have a car or you're basically fucked, out where I live (on the end of a dirt road in the middle of very rural Monroe County Pennsylvania.)

Actually, a U.S. Gallon is 128 ounces. Or 3.78 Liters. Or 4 liquid quarts. An Imperial Gallon (which is used in Canada) has 5 liquid quarts. Or 160 Ounces.

I don't really care, I was just copying what somebody else wrote, then deleted.

I take it YOU aren't driving and thus, aren't PAYING these prices.

FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT, I GOTTA GO TO WORK WITHOUT BEING PAUPERIZED!!!

Oh, and don't even go there with "public transport." There ISN'T ANY PUBLIC TRANSPORT out where I live!! You either have a car or you're basically fucked, out where I live (on the end of a dirt road in the middle of very rural Monroe County Pennsylvania.)

I'm not driving, but anyway, I have an idea for you. Buy a diesel car, and fill it with used vegetable oil. Runs fine, just don't tell the taxman.

Well Saudi Arabia Has alot of gas but wont sell to much to the US until the prices go higher.

I'd sue them for that, too. Diesel fuel in a regular-gas car would fuck up the engine. Bet your ass the gas station that put the wrong fuel in my car...or mislabelled their pump, causing ME to do it...would be getting my fucking repair bill!!
That was stupid the owner of the gas station is closing down now. thats a good thing

They said that in the 1980s. Not going to happen. The government would step in and provide subsidies.

The government already stepped in to provide subsidies. And even Bush admits that the energy bill will do nothing to lower gas prices. That's because lower gas prices will help working class people, and higher prices will help oil tycoons.

All it means is that the gas companies profit margins are getting fatter, despite already being among the fattest in the world. People need gas like we need cigarettes and milk. As long as we have urban sprawl we're going to pay whatever they ask, as long as we pay whatever they ask, they'll ask whatever we have.

America was designed to be a gas guzzling nation. Until people are willing to start building vertically and leave some acreage unpopulated, we're going to have to pay for the gas that it takes to get from point A to point M instead of just walking, or taking the subway to point B.

Whats everyones comments of high gas prices the average prices in America is $2.41

If the environmental Waco’s didn't raise so much hell and prevent us from drilling in Anwar and off the coast of California and Florida, gas wouldn't be so expensive.

If the environmental Waco’s didn't raise so much hell and prevent us from drilling in Anwar and off the coast of California and Florida, gas wouldn't be so expensive.

It's petrol for one thing and STFU for another.

I take it YOU aren't driving and thus, aren't PAYING these prices.

FUCK THE ENVIRONMENT, I GOTTA GO TO WORK WITHOUT BEING PAUPERIZED!!!

Oh, and don't even go there with "public transport." There ISN'T ANY PUBLIC TRANSPORT out where I live!! You either have a car or you're basically fucked, out where I live (on the end of a dirt road in the middle of very rural Monroe County Pennsylvania.)

When people talk about mass transit, they're usually not talking about you personally taking more busses and using less of your car. At least when they know what they're talking about. They're usually talking about getting politicians to set up a functional mass transit system.

Unfortunatly, politicians play to fairly petty emotions, and the love of cars has been conflated with patriotism for so long that being pro-mass transit is seen as one step short of communism and one step passed being "down right Unamerican."

Here in New York, even the mayor uses the Subway. He does it as a PR maneuver, but still, it can get him to work. I think I even remember a story in which the Beasty Boys went to the Grammies by taking the subway because they didn't know that limo's were expected.

If the environmental Waco’s didn't raise so much hell and prevent us from drilling in Anwar and off the coast of California and Florida, gas wouldn't be so expensive.

There've been environmental Wacos? As far as I know there's never been so much as an environmental "I Have a Dream" Speech From the Lincoln Memorial. I thought I was fairly well informed, and to think, a full fledged Waco for environmentalism slipped under my radar.

When people talk about mass transit, they're usually not talking about you personally taking more busses and using less of your car. At least when they know what they're talking about. They're usually talking about getting politicians to set up a functional mass transit system.

Unfortunatly, politicians play to fairly petty emotions, and the love of cars has been conflated with patriotism for so long that being pro-mass transit is seen as one step short of communism and one step passed being "down right Unamerican."

Here in New York, even the mayor uses the Subway. He does it as a PR maneuver, but still, it can get him to work. I think I even remember a story in which the Beasty Boys went to the Grammies by taking the subway because they didn't know that limo's were expected.

It takes me 20 minutes to get to work, during rush hour. 15 minutes any other time of day. Guess how long the bus takes - an hour and a half! And that's if it's on time, god forbid: More often than not, I sit waiting 25 minutes for a bus that is SUPPOSED to come every 10, and then that bus misses the connection at the terminal by less than a minute, so I have to sit there and wait at least another 15 for my connection. It can take upwards of two hours just to get home. Don't you think it's a little ridiculous that I should spend 3 or 4 hours on a bus in order to work for 8, when with a car I would only have to spend 40 minutes each day commuting? As a student, let me tell you, that makes a huge deal - I could spend that extra 2 hours working and get another $20 a day, which would add up to about $1700 over the course of the summer instead of wasting all of that time on the bus. But because my province is hell-bent on punishing anyone who uses a car, with taxes making up an obscene portion - something like 60 or 70% of the price of gas here is tax, and absolutely no parking available: There is one street about 1km away from where I work that has no restrictions on parking, and nothing else for several kilometers. That means if I don't get there early enough to get a spot on that street, I have to park on one of the ones that has a 2 hour limit, or a ridiculous sign that says I can park anytime except between 10-11am and 2-3pm and HOPE I don't get a $15 parking ticket. There is absolutely no reason whatsoever that those ridiculous restrictions on parking should be there except that the province wants to punish anybody who has a car.

Oh, and as for the whole gallon thing, I was using the US gallon, at 3.8 liters per gallon.

The government already stepped in to provide subsidies. And even Bush admits that the energy bill will do nothing to lower gas prices. That's because lower gas prices will help working class people, and higher prices will help oil tycoons.

The government is doing other things like long term programs. People will have to get used to these prices and I want to see people stop complaining. Europeans get charged a lot more.


America was designed to be a gas guzzling nation. Until people are willing to start building vertically and leave some acreage unpopulated, we're going to have to pay for the gas that it takes to get from point A to point M instead of just walking, or taking the subway to point B.

Should I lecture you more? I showed people how this nation has become more gas efficient.

I think everyone here needs to shut the fuck up about high gas prices, why is it that americans or the western world for that matter feel they somehow deserve low gas prices. The rest of the world doesn't have that luxury. People in England can pay as high as 2 Euros a litre for petrol and yet they don't complain. What they do instead of complaining is buy smaller, more cost efficient cars instead of buying larger vehicles such as SUV's. Or they don't use their car at all and instead bike, walk or car pool to save money. WHen people come on here and gripe about high gas prices I feel no sympathy for them. It's time for them to suck it up and deal with it. I deal with it by riding my bike to and from work. I save a ton of money. The western world has to long been pampered by low costs and it's time we start waking up and smelling the coffee...enjoy!

Good idea. Of course I often walk myself.

Or take public transportation. I do it every single day. I mean come on... or try carpooling if you have to go to work (my friend does that with several people at his work)... 65% of fuel consumed in this nation is done so by cars.

I suggest buying the Toyota Prius Hybrid if you want fuel efficency (it does 50/62MPG). It is not any more expensive then SUVs ($20,000). Get rid of your SUVs.

However, I have read in newspapers and other articles that the mpg goes down if you use the A/C.

i think it is bull that the gas prices are soaring so fast every damn day! and yes we have resources here in the u.s. they wont evne touch or else we would not be in this hole

You still have the lowest prices in the world so stop complaining

You still have the lowest prices in the world so stop complaining


yes i know that and i bitch more about how unfair it is for other countries that pay waayy more than we do and i say that to alot of peeps here when they complain about our prices

The government already stepped in to provide subsidies. And even Bush admits that the energy bill will do nothing to lower gas prices. That's because lower gas prices will help working class people, and higher prices will help oil tycoons.

All it means is that the gas companies profit margins are getting fatter, despite already being among the fattest in the world. People need gas like we need cigarettes and milk. As long as we have urban sprawl we're going to pay whatever they ask, as long as we pay whatever they ask, they'll ask whatever we have.

America was designed to be a gas guzzling nation. Until people are willing to start building vertically...(snip)

Are you out of your fucking MIND?!?!? After 9/11 I will not even go above the third floor of any buiilding, ever!!

If it isn't easy for me to escape in under one minute, I'm not going to go there...and I'm not going to work there....and I know there are many people who feel the same as I do.

I'm scared to DEATH of skyscrapers anymore. Used to love them. Lived in chicago, used to go up to the Observation Deck on the 103rd floor every chance I got.

Not anymore! If I can't get out of the building, safely, and in a hell of a hurry, I'M NOT GOING INTO IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!

It's petrol for one thing and STFU for another.

In AMERICA....it's GAS...not "petrol." We Americans call it "gas" short for "gasoline." Not everyone in the world calls it "petrol."

When people talk about mass transit, they're usually not talking about you personally taking more busses and using less of your car. At least when they know what they're talking about. They're usually talking about getting politicians to set up a functional mass transit system.

Unfortunatly, politicians play to fairly petty emotions, and the love of cars has been conflated with patriotism for so long that being pro-mass transit is seen as one step short of communism and one step passed being "down right Unamerican."

Here in New York, even the mayor uses the Subway. He does it as a PR maneuver, but still, it can get him to work. I think I even remember a story in which the Beasty Boys went to the Grammies by taking the subway because they didn't know that limo's were expected.

Hey, I'd willingly take public transport, if it existed where I live. It doesn't. who in their right mind is going to build mass transit to serve a rural area with a population under 1,000?

And I've no choice about where I live, either, because I can't find steady work for shit, and so I've been forced to move back in with my mom, and this is where she lives. since I cannot afford anywhere else, I get no say.

In NYC, Philly, Chicago, L.A....you could get by without a car. THEY have reliable public transport that will get you anywhere you want, anytime you want. Not so with where I live.

I live at the end of a dirt road in the middle of Nowheresville. It's so rural out here, I have actually had ambulances stop me on the road to ask me where a specific location is!! (Firemen don't have that problem out here, they can just follow the smokoe or the glow!)

I think everyone here needs to shut the fuck up about high gas prices, why is it that americans or the western world for that matter feel they somehow deserve low gas prices. The rest of the world doesn't have that luxury. People in England can pay as high as 2 Euros a litre for petrol and yet they don't complain. What they do instead of complaining is buy smaller, more cost efficient cars instead of buying larger vehicles such as SUV's. Or they don't use their car at all and instead bike, walk or car pool to save money. WHen people come on here and gripe about high gas prices I feel no sympathy for them. It's time for them to suck it up and deal with it. I deal with it by riding my bike to and from work. I save a ton of money. The western world has to long been pampered by low costs and it's time we start waking up and smelling the coffee...enjoy!

My mom communtes 70 miles one way, every day, to go to work. and it isn't all that uncommon around here, either...because there are not good, high-paying jobs around here. Many, many people live in rural eastern Pennsylvania and commute to northeatern New Jersey and NYC to work.

Like to see your ass ride a bike seventy miles one way, round trip, every day, to go to work!!

Why don't they live closer?? Glad you asked that!! Property prices and taxes are out of control anywhere close to these jobs...and the jobs don't pay enough so that one could AFFORD to live closer....but they pay a shitpile more than jobs closer to home pay.

Would you rather work 8 hours a day, commuting 10 minutes each way, and make 7 or 8 bucks an hour....or would you rather work eight hours a day, commute an hour to an hour and a half each way...and make 13 to 16 bucks an hour?

I know which one I'd rather do!