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How is it that some people hate Bush for supposedly taking away rights and being a conservative, while I find people like Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton to be more of a threat?

I mean, I haven't seen Bush effectively ban a video game, I haven't seen him say our army needs to be bigger and that we'll do whatever it takes to do so, I haven't heard him talk about censoring movies for violence and sex.

Sure, he's against gay marriage. She's officially against it as well. She's for civil unions, and Bush has said the same thing.

She's more darned conservative than he is!

I'm very concerned about censorship, as the Supreme Court has become a bunch of wusses and will only take moderate issues. We're supposed to be free to show just about anything here, but I feel that she may try to change this.

I'd rather have a conservative Republican than a conservative Democrat as president. We don't need a Tipper Gore clone.

I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat. Just please, don't give us a conservative populist. They don't understand the constitution I think.

Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian :D

Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian :D

So did I. But they won't ever win til they can learn to compromise a bit and become more soft-core libertarian.


BTW, this was a rant, people. Don't say I'm an idiot because I'm mad. I'm a fan of exploitation horror movies like The Evil Dead, The Beyond, Dead Alive, etc. I plan to become an indy filmmaker. If Hillary wins, my future may be shot.

And now I can't get GTA:SA because some moron decided to make a stink about it. Thanks a lot for ruining my birthday, Klaus Barbie.

How is it that some people hate Bush for supposedly taking away rights and being a conservative, while I find people like Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton to be more of a threat?I think (Bush, Lieberman and Hilary) they Sux ass.

Dont you think they do Uginin?

So did I. But they won't ever win til they can learn to compromise a bit and become more soft-core,,,,, Soft-Core is for wimps like you.

I think (Bush, Lieberman and Hilary) they Sux ass.

Dont you think they do Uginin?

Well, I'm not a fan of any of em. I'm personally hoping for Mark Warner Vs. John McCain. Then I dunno who I'd vote for. They're both moderates who seem to actually have read the Constitution.

Its vote pandering. Hillary believes (and rightly so, in my opinion) that Democrats will vote for her, wahtever she does. With that corner covered, she pursues the conservative half of the voters, trying to sway seurity moms/nascar dads/whatever other stupid conservative "group" that the polls have invented recently.
Not to say that Republicans are innocent of this, they tend to be just as bad (I'm looking straight at you, Bush family) at taking their own base for granted.
However, what gives me heart, is that pandering to the other side that brought down the first Bush and opened the door for Clinton, maybe it will rot Hillary's support to.

How is it that some people hate Bush for supposedly taking away rights and being a conservative, while I find people like Joe Lieberman and Hillary Clinton to be more of a threat?

I mean, I haven't seen Bush effectively ban a video game, I haven't seen him say our army needs to be bigger and that we'll do whatever it takes to do so, I haven't heard him talk about censoring movies for violence and sex.

Sure, he's against gay marriage. She's officially against it as well. She's for civil unions, and Bush has said the same thing.

She's more darned conservative than he is!

I'm very concerned about censorship, as the Supreme Court has become a bunch of wusses and will only take moderate issues. We're supposed to be free to show just about anything here, but I feel that she may try to change this.

I'd rather have a conservative Republican than a conservative Democrat as president. We don't need a Tipper Gore clone.

I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat. Just please, don't give us a conservative populist. They don't understand the constitution I think.
Someone else disagees with your political ideology???? Oh NOES! That is teh wrong! OMG!!!!!ONE!11

Well, I'm not a fan of any of em. I'm personally hoping for Mark Warner Vs. John McCain. Then I dunno who I'd vote for. They're both moderates who seem to actually have read the Constitution.Which one is the Libertarian candidate.

Someone else disagees with your political ideology???? Oh NOES! That is teh wrong! OMG!!!!!ONE!11

Jeez, you can't post anything anymore without someone doing an idiot's version of sarcasm. Get some new material.

I SAID it was a rant. You do understand what that is, right? Or do I have to explain it using little words for ya?

Which one is the Libertarian candidate.

Neither. I won't vote for a Libertarian candidate again, because they see those under 18 as property, not human beings.

Mark Warner is a democrat, and soon to be former governor of Virginia. McCain is of course, a senator from Arizona and a Republican.

I would strongly disagree that Hilary Clinton is more conervative than Bush. Bush has not approved of Civil Unions. He is strongly apposed to abortion. Hilary never wanted to ban Grand theft auto (i assume that is what you are talking about), she just wanted to ban it from the shelves until they could raise the rating, which really isn't a huge deal as it is made since it would only raise the buying age from 17 to 18.

I would strongly disagree that Hilary Clinton is more conervative than Bush. Bush has not approved of Civil Unions. He is strongly apposed to abortion. Hilary never wanted to ban Grand theft auto (i assume that is what you are talking about), she just wanted to ban it from the shelves until they could raise the rating, which really isn't a huge deal as it is made since it would only raise the buying age from 17 to 18.

The problem with making them raise the rating, is that now the game can't be rented in some places unless you are 21 thanks to rental store rules, can't be bought in most video game stores and mostly will be sold only in Adult Bookstores. You can't buy any online until they come out with the M-rated version which may take quite a while.

Bush WOULD support civil unions, just not marriage. http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20041026-121303-1337r.htm

I'm opposed to abortion as well, but I'm not militant about it. I could care less if a president is for or against it.

I would strongly disagree that Hilary Clinton is more conervative than Bush. Bush has not approved of Civil Unions. He is strongly apposed to abortion. Hilary never wanted to ban Grand theft auto (i assume that is what you are talking about), she just wanted to ban it from the shelves until they could raise the rating, which really isn't a huge deal as it is made since it would only raise the buying age from 17 to 18.

So basically it's the media getting what a Democrat is doing all wrong yet again.

I would strongly disagree that Hilary Clinton is more conervative than Bush. Bush has not approved of Civil Unions. He is strongly apposed to abortion. Hilary never wanted to ban Grand theft auto (i assume that is what you are talking about), she just wanted to ban it from the shelves until they could raise the rating, which really isn't a huge deal as it is made since it would only raise the buying age from 17 to 18.
Most stores (as I understand it) don't stock Adults Only games though. Maybe Grand Theft Auto: Whatever, will be the exception, but that has yet to be seen. Further, people tend to feel a bit more uneasy about Adults Only (Puts you in the classification of people who watch Hentai, or play Battle Raper, or something like that).
Still, it is a bit ridiculous for Hillary to gripe about a bit of (once again, as I understand it) poorly animated sex, considering what she married.

Someone else disagees with your political ideology???? Oh NOES! That is teh wrong! OMG!!!!!ONE!11

Coming from a 62 year old man, I found this hilarious. :p

Neither. I won't vote for a Libertarian candidate again, because they see those under 18 as property, not human beings.

Mark Warner is a democrat, and soon to be former governor of Virginia. McCain is of course, a senator from Arizona and a Republican.
Mark Who?

Never heard of him...only warner I know is a QB

Don't blame me, I voted Libertarian :D
*doesnt blame you*
Don't blame me, I can't vote :D

Mark Who?

Never heard of him.

He's the head of the national Governors council or whatever it's called, and is Gov. of Virginia til next January. He's a moderate Democrat. Helped VA get out of the horrible financial mess that now-senator John Allen got it into.

He's the head of the national Governors council or whatever it's called, and is Gov. of Virginia til next January. He's a moderate Democrat. Helped VA get out of the horrible financial mess that now-senator John Allen got it into.what makes you think he could be president?

what makes you think he could be president?

Partially because numerous national newspapers have mentioned the possibility. It's known that he's thinking about running, and we'll probably know for sure in 2006. Why? Because others think he wants to be a senator instead. We dunno.

He's got a good chance, because he's a southern Democrat, and every democrat president since Kennedy has been from the south. Virginians like him for the most part, he's a moderate. If he DOESN'T get to be president, then he's a solid choice for vice president if a Dem wins.

Jeez, you can't post anything anymore without someone doing an idiot's version of sarcasm. Get some new material.

I SAID it was a rant. You do understand what that is, right? Or do I have to explain it using little words for ya?
Oh yes. Please do. Little, short, tiny words, preferably in huge type so I can read them without my glasses. :D

Coming from a 62 year old man, I found this hilarious. :p
ROFLMAO! Kewl! I'll accept those flowers! :D

He's got a good chance, because he's a southern Democrat, and every democrat president since Kennedy has been from the south.

Southern governors seem to work out well for both parties, actually.

Oh yes. Please do. Little, short, tiny words, preferably in huge type so I can read them without my glasses. :D

You mean like the King of England in 1776? Wow! You're famous!

Southern governors seem to work out well for both parties, actually.


True. In fact, if a truly moderate southern Republican runs against Hillary in 08, if she gets the nomination, who would win?

I know of 1 moderate southern Republican, and that's a senator of South Carolina. I think their gov may be sorta moderate as well, but not sure.

True. In fact, if a truly moderate southern Republican runs against Hillary in 08, if she gets the nomination, who would win?

I know of 1 moderate southern Republican, and that's a senator of South Carolina. I think their gov may be sorta moderate as well, but not sure.

I can't think of too many Republicans, moderate or otherwise, who couldn't win an election against Hillary. She's like Howard Dean, but with none of his good characteristics.

It is hard to take any libertarian seriously. After certain members tried to hand out cigerettes and toy guns (in harlem). If you get your kicks out of killing civilians, blowing up cars, watching heads get shot off, and having sex with prostitutes only to kill them afterwards you have to evaluate your life. I did like GTA 3 and vice city then I had the games for a second week. Second the reason Hillary Clinton and other politicians try to appear more conservative is because of the fear of being painted as a raving liberal. I'm not far left and even if i was i believe there needs to be an even split between Democrats and Republicans nationaly, because otherwise one side can pass extreme legislature (aka what is happening now). But another problem with todays government is that the republicans are becoming more conservative and moving further right. This allows for more extreme legislature to be passed.

I don't feel that video games should be labled Adult but i do feel that parents should follow the Mature labels which many don't (neither do stores). I think that gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry. I think it is time that America truly honors our freedom to all (which includes gays and lesbians) and our seperation of church state (GOP should not hold rallies in churches).

Hillary wouldn't be my personal first pick for a Dem candidate, though her record is pretty solid. Honestly, I think the whole GTA thing is a bit of a red herring...I doubt much would happen on the censorship front if she got elected.

Personally, the kind of Democrat that I fear gaining power is a very populist, nationalistic one (think Lou Dobbs and his whole tirade about illegal immigration). I live in Arizona, and thus hear no end of otherwise reasonable people ranting on and on in an increasingly caustic vein about immigration or "those damn Mexicans stealing our jobs" or whatever else. Even some people who are liberal about other issues, when asked about immigration, think we should "close the borders and deport all those illegal aliens." This demonstrates, to me, an astounding lack of both economic common sense and basic human concern for one's fellow man. This wouldn't be such a huge deal if the issue was a background one, but it's becoming increasingly important to a lot of voters, so I'm becoming a bit worried.


...I apologize for the thread hijack.

This demonstrates, to me, an astounding lack of both economic common sense and basic human concern for one's fellow man.

Wouldn't economic common sense, that is, that illegal immigrants are importaint to the economy because they provide an importaint source of cheap, exploitable labor and basic human concern, or not exploiting desperate immigrants, be at odds with each other?

What I'm pointing out boils down to this: we want to take both sides of the issue because we'd feel horrible if we openly condoned exploitation and we'd feel like chumps if we didn't. We're going to do it too. Who's going to stop us? It's hypocritical, but there'll only be a minority complaining about it. We'll just drown them out by talking about terrorism or something. (Edit: It occured to me a couple seconds after I posted this that my 'terrorism' comment was pretty ironic.)

Someone else disagees with your political ideology???? Oh NOES! That is teh wrong! OMG!!!!!ONE!11
So, Pot-what color is that Kettle again? Cause, you know, you have such a great track record with people who disagree with you...