NationStates Jolt Archive

I hung out with the wine-drinkers in my seminar group when I did my volontary social year. Didn't help. I'm just not a wine person...
Oh don't be like that! Let them hose-drink you with European wine. You must conform. We all must like wine. We are Europeans.

Oh don't be like that! Let them hose-drink you with European wine. You must conform. We all must like wine. We are Europeans.Nope, sorry, it's vodka and ouzo for me...

Nope, sorry, it's vodka and ouzo for me...
A man to my liking... in the heteroest sense of the word...A finn who has lived in Greece for almost 2 years... ouzo and vodka indeed

Oh don't be like that! Let them hose-drink you with European wine. You must conform. We all must like wine. We are Europeans.

Yep and you are in favour of the big business that kills local growers when their cheese is not pasteurized, aren't ya? Like the bullshit factory cheese, named Finlandia that invades the cheap supermarkets all over Europe. Then we see "Gouda", Roquefort", "Munster", "Mozarella" and even "Feta" comming from your factories.
What a laugh, every decent foodlover will tell you that Feta doesn't comes from Finish cow instead of goat and sheep in Greece aso.Same goes for the Fin Roquefort withouth the great green and peniceline like mould on it. Like the other copies you guys try to make, what a laugh.
Never tasted such bad and dishonest factury products as the one fom Finland.

Noop, I like the artisanal and healthy raw products.

Ok, we must all eat your Fin dung because of Europe?(your reasoning) You guys lost your originality, bunch of reserve americans.

Then your flamy opinion isn't of much value to me, since you don't really have anything to complain about. :p
oufcourse i have complaints especially about its blackmailing foreign policy,and economic pressures,quotas....

Sorry, not a native English speaker. Does a "2&1/2 hour round trip commute" means that you read 2,5 hours a day?

You liked the Guns of August? It is a "pil" (we say that in Dutch for a great and big volume)

it's a bit actually about 3 hours per day, but most of it is on the same train... 1h15m each way. The rest is walking.

Yep. It's not really that long, and is a fairly easy to read compared to AJP Taylor or even BH Lidell Hart...

No it's not my opinion good economy=NATO. It was simply my way of getting certain peoples head off of their asses - regarding this discussion
I wouldn't know. Belgium has a good economy? I didn't mention Luxembourg, they have good economy... are they NATO members...who knows, hell, who cares!

EDIT: I CAN'T BE ARSED TO FIX THIS POST ANYMORE. ME IS TOO DRUNK. ME IS SIGNING OFF NOW. me has nought against Luxembourg

When you sober up ;) , here's the comparison:

NATO Map: (diagonal stripes for new members)
http://members.magnet.at/sich.politik/nato.jpg

EU Map:
http://www.ezilon.com/eu_map_europe.jpg

The only non-NATO European countries that are in the EU are: Sweden, Finland, Ireland, and Austria.

The only non-EU European countries that are in NATO are Turkey, Romania, & Bulgaria.

To my knowledge, only Switzerland, San Marino, Litchenstein, Andorra and Vatican City are in neither. :D

I refuse to accept that Britain should have to pay towards subsidies awarded to French farmers.
Considering that Britain gets 66 cents back from every Euro they pay. They realy have nothing to complain about.

The EU should not have a flag nor an anthem, which it currently has, as those are marks of nationhood. I believe that the EU is a corrupt, power-hungry sore on the face of the continent and we should either return to the Common Market or Britain should leave completely. *Now lets discuss*
It's nothing new that Britain wants all the benefits but non of the responsibilities. If they want to leave go ahead.

No 2 EU member countries have been involved in a military conflict against each other.
NATO member countries have been involved in a military conflict against each other.

For years I have been a Eurosceptic. And I have several reasons. I refuse to accept any authority exerted over me by a group of people who were not elected in my country. I refuse to accept that Britain should have to pay towards subsidies awarded to French farmers. The EU should not have a flag nor an anthem, which it currently has, as those are marks of nationhood. I believe that the EU is a corrupt, power-hungry sore on the face of the continent and we should either return to the Common Market or Britain should leave completely. *Now lets discuss*


the EU is corupt? :eek: And the UK is a haven to for all political freedoms...
The monarchy was never elected? They have a 'flag'(yes I know it is a crest) and the Queen even has her own song!
Britian will never leave!! mwahaha-its one of those cult things..your in til death :D

Shut up and bow to the uber-lords of Brussels. All hail Brussels.
Hear Hear, tho I do not advocate you shutting your mouth, closing it at a slow pace will suffice!

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I like that Euro as it made international money transfers so much easier
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I love the Euro too but those damned conservatists got it screwed up for Denmark.

OK... Lets BUMP this thread

Why I believe the European Union is Evil
Why I don't care.

For years I have been a Eurosceptic. And I have several reasons. I refuse to accept any authority exerted over me by a group of people who were not elected in my country. I refuse to accept that Britain should have to pay towards subsidies awarded to French farmers. The EU should not have a flag nor an anthem, which it currently has, as those are marks of nationhood. I believe that the EU is a corrupt, power-hungry sore on the face of the continent and we should either return to the Common Market or Britain should leave completely. *Now lets discuss*

No, the EU should stay together, and each of the nations within should surrender its sovereignty to the whole, so the EU can be as nasty as they accuse the US of being.

We'll see how the shoe fits when they put it on.

To my knowledge, only Switzerland, San Marino, Litchenstein, Andorra and Vatican City are in neither. :D
Yay! This makes me feel so very special!
*waves tiny Swiss flag*

(and by the way...it's Liechtenstein)

err...yes. That was all I had to say.

I refuse to accept any authority exerted over me by a group of people who were not elected in my country.

For a start, the European Parliment is elected in this country, along with every other country in the EU. Granted the ammount of power the parliment has is not enough and should be changed to make it the creator of legislation and not the commission, but the commision does respond better to pressure and intrest groups points this way


I refuse to accept that Britain should have to pay towards subsidies awarded to French farmers.

Common misconception. Those subsidies are also given to British farmers, and the rest of the EU. France pays towards them as well. Now obviously the CAP is in need of reform but it is not of itself a bad idea.


The EU should not have a flag nor an anthem, which it currently has, as those are marks of nationhood.

And? So the EU wants to be a nation. If its run well that shouldnt be a nessecarly bad thing


I believe that the EU is a corrupt, power-hungry sore on the face of the continent and we should either return to the Common Market or Britain should leave completely. *Now lets discuss*

You havent proven how it is either corrupt or power hungary, I suggest you do that to justify your postion

*cough* House of Lords.

Genius!

I support the idea of further economic integration in Europe. We unfortunately need it now with China and India ruining everything. But political union is completely unnecessary. The EU wants a single European superstate and we won't benefit in the slightest bit from it. All it will result in is decisions being taken even further from the people than they already are, with more unwarranted interference with our home affairs.

If Britain wants to leave, the door is open.


The irony is that it really isn't. There is no mechnanism for a member state to leave the EU. Yet, the Constitution did include a method for a member state to leave the union... and yet, the Britons were still very sceptical of it...

Of course, that's not to say without a mechnanism a member state couldn't leave... but there is no "easy way" or procedure for pulling out.

Considering that Britain gets 66 cents back from every Euro they pay. They realy have nothing to complain about.

It's nothing new that Britain wants all the benefits but non of the responsibilities. If they want to leave go ahead.
I think you've missed the point. The EU is supposed to benefit its members. You're right; member states do have to accept reponsibilities as well as benefits but that doesn't mean that they have to put up with anything just because of some misguided effort to create a superstate, flags, anthems, redundant legislation, iniquitous and outdated agricultural policies etc.
Granted, at the moment Britain has a rebate and can't be said to contribute as much as Germany and others, but Blair and Straw have repeatedly said they are willibg to forego the rebate if europe looks at reforming agricultural spending, which makes up 50% of the eu budget. Cutting it down will benefit the other net contributers as much and probably more so than it will Britain.
I don't really see the benefit of a too intrusive EU. I think the EU functions best as an economic union with sxientific collaboration etc.

Genius!
Cough Parliament Act

Of course, that's not to say without a mechnanism a member state couldn't leave... but there is no "easy way" or procedure for pulling out.
Even with a procedure, I don't think simply leaving a free trade zone like this is an easy thing to do.

I'm fine with the EU. It's a fine organization.

It's members however, are questionable.

Yep and you are in favour of the big business that kills local growers when their cheese is not pasteurized, aren't ya? Like the bullshit factory cheese, named Finlandia that invades the cheap supermarkets all over Europe. Then we see "Gouda", Roquefort", "Munster", "Mozarella" and even "Feta" comming from your factories.
What a laugh, every decent foodlover will tell you that Feta doesn't comes from Finish cow instead of goat and sheep in Greece aso.Same goes for the Fin Roquefort withouth the great green and peniceline like mould on it. Like the other copies you guys try to make, what a laugh.
Never tasted such bad and dishonest factury products as the one fom Finland.

Noop, I like the artisanal and healthy raw products.

Ok, we must all eat your Fin dung because of Europe?(your reasoning) You guys lost your originality, bunch of reserve americans.

Was that even provoked? It really looks like you broke into random yelling.