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Why is there all this concern over homosexuality? Why the effort? Especially when considering other issues that are far more frequent in occurence.

Would not the effort to exclude/control/limit/whatever the homosexual population be better spent on dealing with sexual violence? Safe environments for children?

Why is gay marriage viewed as the doom of man? In the US alone the divorse rate is what 6 out of 10 marriages now? How is gay marriage going to end marriage when it seems to working on that all by itself?

Why?

-just a rambling thought as I wait for my coffee- ;)


Come one Neo, you know you can't let this go! :p

Please.. no... not another... no.. *jumps off a cliff* *yells while falling* please ask to close this thread...!!

Even though I am a Roman Catholic. I honestly don't give a rats ass. I have enough problem with my own life to worry about whos screwing who in the privacy of their own home. So if a guy want to date and marry a guy. Go ahead. If two girls want to do the same, I don't care. If a guy, a goat, and a girl want to have a three-way wedding. More power to them. I just want to live my OWN life.

Why is there all this concern over homosexuality? Why the effort? Especially when considering other issues that are far more frequent in occurence.

Would not the effort to exclude/control/limit/whatever the homosexual population be better spent on dealing with sexual violence? Safe environments for children?

Why is gay marriage viewed as the doom of man? In the US alone the divorse rate is what 6 out of 10 marriages now? How is gay marriage going to end marriage when it seems to working on that all by itself?

Why?

-just a rambling thought as I wait for my coffee- ;)


Come one Neo, you know you can't let this go! :p

I dont think there really is that much effort. I think its mostly the media and homosexuals themselves who focus on that aspect. There is so much going on in the church that has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality. The current revival that has been brewing in the US is lead by people (like Joel Osteen and Rick Warren) who never speak out on such issues.

Sorry Mesa,

I am curious to their thinking this time. I am not going to attack it.

Let's leave the science out of this one.

Part of finding a middle ground is understanding where they come from. Not all fundis are wannabe facists. -dodges the godwin stamp- Nener nener nneeeener.

I wonder too. There are so many problems in the world, and if you think homosexuality is one of them, wouldn't you consider other things to be a bit more severe? Like...say...things that actually affect you, as a Christian? Like people who try to force their religion on others, when it only brings about arguing and controversy.

I have to say I find it somewhat unpleasant that so many posters rush to 'abortion' and 'homosexuality' threads in order to point out how very wrong these things are according to their Christian values, yet apparently none of these posters felt harmful (including fatal) medical experiments being conducted on 'poor' children, in New York with the aid of the State child welfare agency (including removing the children of parents who would not consent) goes enough against their Christian values that it requires similar condemnation...

So why is that homosexuality must be rallied against, yet breaking up families in order to use children in torturous medical experiments, doesnt require any response? :confused:

Well you know, California doesnt like it. Really I dont care. Homosexual guys are funny and FUN. Its disturbing when they have their mate around though. :eek: No offense, I dont like seeing it. :headbang:

They experiment on HIV positive children sometimes. IN AMERICA. Testing on any organism is wrong. Except mice and rats. :eek:

They experiment on HIV positive children sometimes. IN AMERICA. Testing on any organism is wrong. Except mice and rats. :eek:

What about cows and other dumber-than-mud animals?

We eat cows and the dumber-than-mud animals. :D For all the veggie people out there, I apologize for that.

They experiment on HIV positive children sometimes. IN AMERICA. Testing on any organism is wrong. Except mice and rats. :eek:
Aha, for instance in New York...

They experiment on HIV positive children sometimes. IN AMERICA. Testing on any organism is wrong. Except mice and rats. :eek:
If by experiment you mean test HIV drugs in late phases, yes, yes they do. What did you expect them to do, shove the drugs out the door and say "hey, try this, we don't know if it will kill you, or if it will even help you. Good luck with that!"

The test HIV on chimps and domestic pets. :( Makes me want to cry.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination."-Leviticus 18: 22

Anyways I believe it is immoral and the subculture of homsexuality is sick, it is all about sex. Gay pride parades do more hurt than good in my opinion. Thier pevereted and sick, you want to be different yet you want to be the same as us straight people? How does this work. In order to assimilate to a culture you need to be one of them, or close to.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination."-Leviticus 18: 22

Anyways I believe it is immoral and the subculture of homsexuality is sick, it is all about sex. Gay pride parades do more hurt than good in my opinion. Thier pevereted and sick, you want to be different yet you want to be the same as us straight people? How does this work. In order to assimilate to a culture you need to be one of them, or close to.
Why should the laws of leviticus apply in the case of homosexuality, but not in the case of the many other, very stupid, laws in the OT?


That said, I can also read that to mean that men shouldn't try to have vaginal sex with men. I don't see that being a problem.

But some of those kids tested are being monitored to see how they die, also, some of these kids might not be HIV positive. They just stick some needle with unknown drugs in them. Most of these children are orphans.

But some of those kids tested are being monitored to see how they die, also, some of these kids might not be HIV positive. They just stick some needle with unknown drugs in them. Most of these children are orphans.
A source would be nice. HIV is a death sentance, let's not mess around with semantics, but studies are done in such a manner not to be harmful to the subjects.

Homosexual people are fine with me. As long as they dont try anything... :eek:

Watch Montel. Talk show, Montels talks about alot of this stuff through experts.

Watch Montel. Talk show, Montels talks about alot of this stuff through experts.
A talk show isn't a source.

Books and experts are.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination."-Leviticus 18: 22

Anyways I believe it is immoral and the subculture of homsexuality is sick, it is all about sex. Gay pride parades do more hurt than good in my opinion. Thier pevereted and sick, you want to be different yet you want to be the same as us straight people? How does this work. In order to assimilate to a culture you need to be one of them, or close to.

I'm not going to question your beliefs; I'm sure plenty have done that before. But the point of this thread: do you really think it's that big of a deal? Don't you think that there are other more serious issues that deserve your attention?

Anyways I believe it is immoral and the subculture of homsexuality is sick, it is all about sex. Gay pride parades do more hurt than good in my opinion. Thier pevereted and sick, you want to be different yet you want to be the same as us straight people? How does this work. In order to assimilate to a culture you need to be one of them, or close to.

You apparently don't know what you are talking about.

Anyways, who are you to speak? Perverted and sick.. that's so wrong... you don't know what you are talking about.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination."-Leviticus 18: 22

There happen to be quite a few laws from the OT that could cause an uproar if they were put in place today. "Suffer not the witch to live" pretty much means kill anyone who is of a different religion, they are the devil. Then there's the slave thing, and the men being better than women thing (and as any Christian should know, Christ was all for equality with women).

If by experiment you mean test HIV drugs in late phases, yes, yes they do. What did you expect them to do, shove the drugs out the door and say "hey, try this, we don't know if it will kill you, or if it will even help you. Good luck with that!"
I would expect them to only experiment with the consent of informed patients, to not experiment with drugs that are clearly very toxic and doing more harm than good, and most certainly I would expect them to carry out any trials without removing children from their parents simply because the parents are too impoverished to be able to do anything about it.

If a criminal in prison can refuse to be a guinea pig for drug companies (which they can) why are impoverished children denied this right?

Anyways I believe it is immoral and the subculture of homsexuality is sick, it is all about sex.
Aha, two consenting adults choosing to share certain intimacies is worse than a State agency removing children from their parents for the purposes of some profit making drug company exploiting them as lab rats... :confused:

Not every Christian has a problem with homosexuality you know.

And why do we have to debate this every day? I mean, even God got a day off!

Books and experts are.
If you would be so kind as to directly cite them rather then give me a vauge reference to a talk show...

I have to say I find it somewhat unpleasant that so many posters rush to 'abortion' and 'homosexuality' threads in order to point out how very wrong these things are according to their Christian values, yet apparently none of these posters felt harmful (including fatal) medical experiments being conducted on 'poor' children, in New York with the aid of the State child welfare agency (including removing the children of parents who would not consent) goes enough against their Christian values that it requires similar condemnation...



Perhaps because there wasnt anyone defending that practice. Preaching to the choir is a waste of time. There is no controversy if everyone agrees. Thats why I didnt post, and probably why many others didnt post too.

Why should the laws of leviticus apply in the case of homosexuality, but not in the case of the many other, very stupid, laws in the OT?


That said, I can also read that to mean that men shouldn't try to have vaginal sex with men. I don't see that being a problem.

Yes, why quote Leviticus unless you believe the rest of its odd laws apply to you?

Yes, why quote Leviticus unless you believe the rest of its odd laws apply to you?

Yeah, also the fact you can't eat shellfish and get a haircut.. lol

You can look up most of these types of things on google, you just have to dig through it. All I'm saying is that testing is wrong on children and everybody. They DO do it, we are just too blind to see it.

You can look up most of these types of things on google, you just have to dig through it. All I'm saying is that testing is wrong on children and everybody. They DO do it, we are just too blind to see it.

Apparently somebody sees it, since it has been brought up.

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such a thing is an abomination."-Leviticus 18: 22
"Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you."-Leviticus 11:12

Why does God hate shrimp (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com)?

Gyah! Because someone had to quote the OT they made me forget my original post. The reason why so much attention is on the gay rights and not other, more important matters. The Media. The media is the main source of information for the people, and what the media says is the gospel of the people. Why is there noone fighting against the HIV drug testing on children, because nobody knows about it, because we're all too stupid to know about it. I didn't know about it till you mentioned it.

You can look up most of these types of things on google, you just have to dig through it. All I'm saying is that testing is wrong on children and everybody. They DO do it, we are just too blind to see it.
You seem to be laboring under the assumption that I'm here to do your work for you. Please, it is late here, almost 3 am, humor me.

You can look up most of these types of things on google, you just have to dig through it. All I'm saying is that testing is wrong on children and everybody. They DO do it, we are just too blind to see it.

Hmm...if it can be found on Google, others must know about it too. Enough to put the information where people can find it. So, are they just watching it happen? Why don't they do something about it, since they obviously have access to whatever labs or people are doing this kind of stuff?

3 am? You can't sleep? Wow. Really only those who really don't belive what the people say and put out there and actually look will find out.

But we, I ment public everyday people who mind their own business. ;)

You dont really expect some everyday person or kid to lookup that kind of stuff on google.

Perhaps because there wasnt anyone defending that practice. Preaching to the choir is a waste of time. There is no controversy if everyone agrees. Thats why I didnt post, and probably why many others didnt post too.
I might find that less unbelievable but for the large number of people who usually post in the 'abortion/homosexuality' type threads (condeming these things as being against their christian values) who also posted in 'I have never been so disturbed' thread about child abuse. No on in that thread was contradicting the notion that it was disgusting and abhorrent and yet plenty of posts from outraged christians (including some blaming my and your freedom for the actions of pedaphiles)...

Whilst the reason you give might apply to you personally, it quite simply doesnt fit for so many others.

Gyah! Because someone had to quote the OT they made me forget my original post. The reason why so much attention is on the gay rights and not other, more important matters. The Media. The media is the main source of information for the people, and what the media says is the gospel of the people. Why is there noone fighting against the HIV drug testing on children, because nobody knows about it, because we're all too stupid to know about it. I didn't know about it till you mentioned it.

You have the right idea there. *cheers*

HUMANS ARE STUPID!! YAY! Why? Because its in our genes the be at least a little stupid.

Hmm...if it can be found on Google, others must know about it too. Enough to put the information where people can find it. So, are they just watching it happen? Why don't they do something about it, since they obviously have access to whatever labs or people are doing this kind of stuff?
I gather they lack the power to do anything about it. I'm not quite sure of your point here. Are you suggesting that 'someone else' ought to fix it or it's not worth fixing, (aka if those who have power dont mind, oh well, stuff them poor kiddies) or do you doubt that this is occuring? :confused:

If its really not happening in America, its probably happening somewhere else. Thought of that? :D

I gather they lack the power to do anything about it. I'm not quite sure of your point here. Are you suggesting that 'someone else' ought to fix it or it's not worth fixing, (aka if those who have power dont mind, oh well, stuff them poor kiddies) or do you doubt that this is occuring? :confused:

They're witnessing it, aren't they? I'm pretty sure there are laws against abducting children and running medical tests on them...have the proper authorities not been alerted, or can they just not do anything about it?

On testing HIV drugs on poor children. Have anyone ever thought that maybe the parents sold the child so they can have money?

The children are not abducted, they are orphans from HIV infected parents.

Well maybe the orphans are selling them. You know not many orphans are well off financially. Its sick and twisted, but some people WILL do anything for money.

Really its

"I cant pay for the medical bills so I leave my child in your hands."
(These parents somethimes dont know if the kid is HIV positive or not)

"ok, we'll try"
(These children are then watched and observed after being given drugs)

for Mr. (or Ms.) Miltiades:

I'm queer (bi, to be exact), and i dont quite understand your reasoning...

why is it ONLY about sex when i like a man, but somehow not only about sex when i like a woman?

its just as much about sex whether or not its a chick or a dude. how can you say that its somehow more about sex when its with a man? if i was straight and therefore only was with women, then it would be about sex because i would only be with women because im only attracted to them, and if i was gay, then it would be about sex cause i would be attracted to men.

now, thats not to say that it would be mainly about sex either way... i have a girlfriend and i love her very deeply, even though sexually our relationship is going nowhere. im a hopeless romantic, so i dont mind that im not getting any.

aaaaaaanyway, back on topic:

I agree, its a waste of time to bash us queers when they could be against illegal testing, or violence, or shrimp, or whatever other evils or not-so-evils the church is supposedly against.

They're witnessing it, aren't they? I'm pretty sure there are laws against abducting children and running medical tests on them...have the proper authorities not been alerted, or can they just not do anything about it?
It's not considered abduction when it occurs through due process. As for the 'relevent authorities' that is who is taking the children...

Not every Christian has a problem with homosexuality you know.

And why do we have to debate this every day? I mean, even God got a day off!

That's cause God created the universe and thus gets to slack off whenever he wants to. It's called "self-employment."

"Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you."-Leviticus 11:12

Why does God hate shrimp (http://www.godhatesshrimp.com)?JSPR!
If it weren't for the fact that I live in Germany and no one really does crap like that over here, I might actually make myself a sign like that, get some friends, and protest in front of "Nordsee" (its a North German seafastfood restaurant). :D

Why is there all this concern over homosexuality? Why the effort? Especially when considering other issues that are far more frequent in occurence.

Would not the effort to exclude/control/limit/whatever the homosexual population be better spent on dealing with sexual violence? Safe environments for children?

Why is gay marriage viewed as the doom of man? In the US alone the divorse rate is what 6 out of 10 marriages now? How is gay marriage going to end marriage when it seems to working on that all by itself?

Why?

-just a rambling thought as I wait for my coffee- ;)


Come one Neo, you know you can't let this go! :p

Well, that's not really a broad "Christian" question. A majority of us christians oppose homosexuality on a personal level, in lieu of our views of its violation of God's law. And opposition remains a purely institutional matter, regardant our membership and church government; though do not extend this into the playing field of general civil government.

Really it's a question that should be possed to the modern Fundamentalist movement, and that of the Theonomists of the Reconstructionist and Christian Revisionist movements. Who want the civil government to be an extension of Church power and order; a viewpoint many of us oppose as dangerous to our overall freedom regarding religion.

If I were to side with fundamentalists and other such groupd regardant homosexuality; and create precedent for determination of general order by their particular religious doctrines; what is to stop them from acting declaritively against Covenant Baptism, as I believe? Or indeed, issues regardant to my particular views of the proper form and structure of church government? Or my beliefs regardant eschatology or Creation? (I'm a Evolutionary Creationist/Theistic Evolutionist)...

Why is there all this concern over homosexuality? Why the effort? Especially when considering other issues that are far more frequent in occurence.

Well, as a Christian, I'm going to make an effort wherever I see people being mistreated. Thus, since I have seen homosexuals being mistreated, I'm going to put effort into that. There are issues that are more frequent in occurrence, and I put effort into them as well.

Would not the effort to exclude/control/limit/whatever the homosexual population be better spent on dealing with sexual violence? Safe environments for children?

For those who make such an effort, certainly.

Why is gay marriage viewed as the doom of man?

Beats me. Dunno how equal legal treatment is going to lead to the doom of man.

In the US alone the divorse rate is what 6 out of 10 marriages now? How is gay marriage going to end marriage when it seems to working on that all by itself?

Good question. It's the same as asking someone how letting someone else have sex outside of marriage is going to force them to do it. If someone thinks homosexual marriage is somehow wrong, they simply shouldn't do it. That person is then following their own ideals.