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All this patriotism in the air and I thought I might seize a sizable chunk of it and hoard it over to Albion. That's right! Im a big fat patriotic Englishman! Now lets sit around and share stories of past naval victories while humming "Land of Hope and Glory." *invites further patriotic sentiments*

I'm English and never will consider myself British. I also like my country but it's about what my country does here and now on a day to day basis. I couldn't care less what some one armed guy did 200 years ago. I care about what we are going to today for our children tomorrow.

I left the shores of England when I was 10, and I've lived in the USA for most of my life. For the most part I like it here but I must admit that even after all this time there's no jingoistic thread that fires me up quite like a British jingoistic thread, by God.

Do I spy a large image of the HMS Hood in .jpg format on the horizon? I hope so. :D

I am from Norway, but I like Britain more! I want to go to britain..!
brits rule!

That's so British of you:)

It's an alright place, I guess. Check an Eckert-IV (accurately projected, if I'm not much mistaken - though feel free to correct me, geo-geeks) map of the world sometime, and ask yourself how a nation that small managed to control such an Empire as it did ;)

Seriously, though, it's not a bad place to live, I guess :) Huzzah for Britain!

I'm a Canadian of French and Irish descent...Considering your great empathy and diplomacy towards us during our co-colonization, I can't exactly say I'm proud to be part of a nation that is still tied to you... I'll leave it at that...
-Chris :mad:

Well, I hate what has happened to Britian. It used to be a great, hearty country. Well, I know where it went wrong, but I wont say the "L" word right now. The soccer thugs are the only people who can save England.

That is all.

Fellow english men who hate the way englland is becoming, join!


http://www.englishdemocrats.org.uk/

I'm Irish,so i of course love ireland(come on,who doesnt?).but england isnt too bad,what little ive seen of it.apart from chavs england and ireland are a lot alike,well the chavs and the accents.but dont tell the provo's or the RIRA i said that ;) :rolleyes:


actually what are they gonna do now?stop me politically?teeheehee


Tiocfaidh ar la

Well, I hate what has happened to Britian. It used to be a great, hearty country. Well, I know where it went wrong, but I wont say the "L" word right now. The soccer thugs are the only people who can save England.

That is all.
The games Football, not soccer. They are Football hooligans! :D

The "L" word... what have you got against Leicester? :p And where is this Britian you speak of?

The games Football, not soccer. They are Football hooligans! :D

The "L" word... what have you got against Leicester? :p And where is this Britian you speak of?

Britian? Don't they make bottled water???

The games Football, not soccer. They are Football hooligans! :D

The "L" word... what have you got against Leicester? :p And where is this Britian you speak of?


I believe he's off trying to start up another empire.that's what england shoutl do if it really want to be great again.take over half the world.i suggest starting with scotland or wales,less travelling costs.Just send one guy with a flag into some field in wales and get him to roar out:

I claim this land in the name of (Insert the name of the ruling monarch of the time)

I'm a Canadian of French and Irish descent...Considering your great empathy and diplomacy towards us during our co-colonization, I can't exactly say I'm proud to be part of a nation that is still tied to you... I'll leave it at that...
-Chris :mad:

*wipes brow* couldn't you just leave? (completely)

I believe he's off trying to start up another empire.that's what england shoutl do if it really want to be great again.take over half the world.i suggest starting with scotland or wales,less travelling costs.Just send one guy with a flag into some field in wales and get him to roar out:

*Writes this down* interesting..... very interesting....

The "L" word... what have you got against Leicester? :p

It stinks. I should know, I live here!

BRITAIN BRITAIN BRITAIN!

Founded by Neil Armstrong in 1969 when he saw it from the Moon.
*Cue Lou and Andy*

The games Football, not soccer. They are Football hooligans! :D


Oh right, my mistake. I stand corrected. Sorry. Lol. (its all so confusing)


The "L" word... what have you got against Leicester? :p And where is this Britian you speak of?

Well, I guess I have no choice. The "L" word is liberalism, which is what I believe to be destroying the strong Britian of our past. And given the political atmosphere of NS, I will likely be flamed into submission now.

*vomits in hat*

Tiocfaidh ar la
If I were to say 'we will never trade the blue skies of Northern Ireland for the grey skies of a united Ireland' would it be taken with suitable ironic intent?

My love for Britain is like a sickness and its cure together, like rain and sun, like cold and heat. Oh... I am fortune's fool! Sent by ship to live in a land of tobacco weed and savages!

I love you, Britain, beyond poetry.

My love for Britain is like a sickness and its cure together, like rain and sun, like cold and heat. Oh... I am fortune's fool! Sent by ship to live in a land of tobacco weed and savages!

I love you, Britain, beyond poetry.

*blows nose* Im touched! Too beautiful for words..

*vomits in hat*

not a beret then?

not a beret then?
you could say that

I'm Scottish. I'm British. Of course I love it. Two for the price of one :cool:

Britain is amazing, apart from the masses of Chavs that appear, they just grow in numbers every day I swear. There's too many at footy matches aswell now, not too many Owls supporters are that bad though, I'm happy to say!

Right people, lets get this straight, liberalism is the theory whereby a person is free to do whatever he chooses so long as he does not infringe the freedoms of another in doing so. You can be liberal and conservative, the terms are not mutually exclusive. Liberal theory in law assures that people have certain freedoms, that is all.

Oh yes, and Britain does indeed prod buttock.

I more consider myself English than British but yes, we do have a beautiful country :)

Tea anyone? ;)

Lol I hate that cliche

I think I'd best slip out quietly before some comment or other about the Lion's Tour slips out....oops too late ;)

:( Well we still got the RWC :p

All this patriotism in the air and I thought I might seize a sizable chunk of it and hoard it over to Albion. That's right! Im a big fat patriotic Englishman! Now lets sit around and share stories of past naval victories while humming "Land of Hope and Glory." *invites further patriotic sentiments*

Battle of Trafalgar!Damn fine naval battle, eh?
Tea, anyone?

Im scottish, and a devout nationalist, which makes me a bit of a pariah around edinburgh(everyone is english) and its not that i think thats scotland should never hav joined the union, indeed it did alot of good for us i just think now is the time when we CAN move on and do it our selves but anyway, i feel ashamed of a british passport and anthems like god save the queen, i think it just panders to BNP racism, but at the same time flower of scotland panders to scottish anti-english racism, which i am afraid is not uncommon in the less wealthy areas of scotland, and whish i am equally ashamed of(something im sure english ppl can understand wot with the hole BNP thing) because it means you almost start to be scared of wot ppl will think when u say 'im proud to be.....'

Shut up Scotland! We stole you fair and square, so just get back to eating deep-fried mars bars.

Battle of Trafalgar!Damn fine naval battle, eh?
Tea, anyone?

I LOVE TEA. Except right now I don't have any tea bags. Darnit.

I LOVE TEA. Except right now I don't have any tea bags. Darnit.

Shame... Ringtons. Best tea in the world. And they make caramel wafers :D

Acctualy we bank roled u cos u 'won' in much the sameway the yanks 'won' vietman, a war against the dutch. The union has always been about money, and still is.And deep fried mars bars make for good population control, keeps the estates managable

Acctualy we bank roled u cos u 'won' in much the sameway the yanks 'won' vietman, a war against the dutch. The union has always been about money, and still is.And deep fried mars bars make for good population control, keeps the estates managable

Scotland is just jealous because it's attempt at colonisation bankrupted the country :D

And I'm not knocking the mars bars. No siree. Feel the cholesterol. It does entirely kick backside.

I LOVE TEA. Except right now I don't have any tea bags. Darnit.

nasty!

No it bankrupted the Crown, our land barons bankrolled you, but i dont see reason to be jelious for that, although i didnt live through it, im mighty pissed off about the poll tax

If I remember the details correctly, some big scottish company went off to colonise some hellhole of an island. Most of Scotland invested... And it failed. So Scotland had to look to big brother England. Score one to St. George. The Libyan.

nasty!

How DARE you!!

Maybe you just don't make it correctly.

:D

How DARE you!!

Maybe you just don't make it correctly.

:D

meep! I was sympathising at your lack of teabags actually :(

Tea is essential to the running of England. Without it, there would just be lots of big bad days where nothing happened. This would continue until we got some tea.

I love England.
My kind of humour, my kind of women, my kind of mates.
If you could do something about the weather it would be an Excellent place to live!

meep! I was sympathising at your lack of teabags actually :(

Ahh. It all makes sense now.. For a few minutes I was thinking you were American or something.

Heh.

sry if we are gonna get onto the subject of why the rest of europe did kick ur ass lets. ONE, spainnish armada, made from scottish wood. TWO Jacobites, wacky catholics, allied to the french, scottish protestants fight them off, end threat of french attack. World War One scotland encures the highest losses as a percentage of population after France and New Zealand. James Watt, invents steam engine, make britain world superpower. Do i hav to go on. England and Scotland are where they are today because of each other, we needed u, u needed us, for security, money, population and all points inbetween, we needed u for money, security, stablitiy etc.

But neither the Jacobites or the armada kicked our ass...

Shut up Scotland! We stole you fair and square, so just get back to eating deep-fried mars bars.

I hate to burst your bubble, but theoretically, no.

Queenie - as I affectionately call her - is Scottish, not English, and is descended from the Kings of Scotland.

So really, "our" (England's) Royal Family is Scottish - but don't tell them that.

Actually, it wasn't an island, it was modern-day Panama. It was a damn good idea, because we saw the potential of colonising the thinnest strip of land between the two great oceans - what eventually became the Panama Canal, i.e. a way to avoid sailing round South America to get to the West coast. But, as you say, it did indeed bankrupt Scotland when half of all wealth in the country was put into this bunch of pasty Scots who couldn't take the heat in Panama (not to mention the Malaria or the Spanish fleet) and were wiped out. So the Union came about as a way for Scotland to make money again, and most certainly wasn't about England colonising us!

I used to be patriotic about Scotland when I was growing up (as all Scottish kids are), but I play in a band and on our recent UK tour I was reminded of the fact that there is no discernible difference between the two countries (or the rest of the UK for that matter). People in Manchester were the same as people in Edinburgh, people in Skye were the same as people in Leamington Spa. We all watch the same TV, read the same Western books, and eat the same international food. The only differences are a few laws and flags.

Well alledgedly the Royal family dates back to some Germanic roots. So possibly our head of state is German :S

because we saw the potential of what eventually became the Suez Canal, i.e. a way to avoid sailing round South America to get to the West coast.

Erm...the Suez Canal is in Egypt...the PANAMA Canal is in Panama...

My bad!

I hate to burst your bubble, but theoretically, no.

Queenie - as I affectionately call her - is Scottish, not English, and is descended from the Kings of Scotland.

So really, "our" (England's) Royal Family is Scottish - but don't tell them that.


You bloodly off loaders, I demand you take her back.

As a whole, the United Kingdom is better off as that - United. It means a hell of a lot more money and a stronger economy over all, for all concerned. Also, then London taxpayers wouldnt have to fund the construction of the Scottish parliement building :mad: , since it wouldnt exist...

No refunds.

As a whole, the United Kingdom is better off as that - United. It means a hell of a lot more money and a stronger economy over all, for all concerned. Also, then London taxpayers wouldnt have to fund the construction of the Scottish parliement building :mad: , since it wouldnt exist...

And Scottish taxpayers wouldn't have to fund the Millennium Dome, etc, etc. It probably all balances out in the end. I agree with you though.

Actually, it wasn't an island, it was modern-day Panama. It was a damn good idea, because we saw the potential of what eventually became the Suez Canal, i.e. a way to avoid sailing round South America to get to the West coast. But, as you say, it did indeed bankrupt Scotland when half of all wealth in the country was put into this bunch of pasty Scots who couldn't take the heat in Panama (not to mention the Malaria or the Spanish fleet) and were wiped out.
You sent people to Panama to work on the Suez Canal??? :eek:
The reason you failed... perhaps it wasn't the Spanish armada... the malaria... or the heat...
:p

And Scottish taxpayers wouldn't have to fund the Millennium Dome, etc, etc. It probably all balances out in the end. I agree with you though.

Er...the Millennium Dome was for the whole of the UK, whereas the Scottish Parliament is just for the Scottish, so the 2 aren't really comparable

:p thats fine, ill just take my voting rights as a Londoner when the Scottish elections come round.

Yeah our Royal Family (as far as anyone can tell) is descended from the Hanovers of Germany, who came here at the time of WW1 i believe (though i may be wrong) and claimed the throne - they dont actually have any right to it. The true monarch is a guy living in Australia whoes family got kicked off the throne in the middle ages or something.

I hate to burst your bubble, but theoretically, no.

Queenie - as I affectionately call her - is Scottish, not English, and is descended from the Kings of Scotland.

So really, "our" (England's) Royal Family is Scottish - but don't tell them that.

Her Majesty, As I correctly call her is actually descended from the Princes of Hannover. You appear to be wrong

Er...the Millennium Dome was for the whole of the UK, whereas the Scottish Parliament is just for the Scottish, so the 2 aren't really comparable
Oh yes and let's not forget the bill English taxpayers pick up for Scots' free university places too. In fact, Scotland does not generate enough revenue to pay for itself, and hence England and her taxpayers pick up the bill. I'd really stop complaining if I were Scottish.

This is why I hate nationalism

This is why I hate nationalism

:rolleyes: you would rather the world be just one big glorious nation?

my dads half english half welsh and my mum is half scot half welsh so i suppose i am more a brit then a englishmen tho i do live in australia i am quite proud of my heritage but since my dad says he a englishmen i think of myself as a englishmen in australia

:p thats fine, ill just take my voting rights as a Londoner when the Scottish elections come round.

Yeah our Royal Family (as far as anyone can tell) is descended from the Hanovers of Germany, who came here at the time of WW1 i believe (though i may be wrong) and claimed the throne - they dont actually have any right to it. The true monarch is a guy living in Australia whoes family got kicked off the throne in the middle ages or something.
Unfortunately this is slightly wrong. The Hannovers came to Britain in the form of George I in 1701, after the death of Queen Anne, the last Stuart. They have every right to throne, whereas that chap in Australia doesn't under British Law.

Oh yes and let's not forget the bill English taxpayers pick up for Scots' free university places too. In fact, Scotland does not generate enough revenue to pay for itself, and hence England and her taxpayers pick up the bill. I'd really stop complaining if I were Scottish.

Hmm... the thing you have to remember is that the jewel in the UK nowadays is London, the only major international city we have left. London is what brings a huge amount of wealth and attention to the UK on the world stage, and everyone in the UK both puts money into, and gains from, London. So you could say people across the UK are subsidising London too.

You can't say that England picks up the bill for Scotland, what about the huge wealth generated by the North Sea oil and gas? Or The Royal Bank of Scotland, the fifth biggest bank in the world, with a bigger market capitalisation than McDonald's, Nike and General Motors put together? England has a population of 50 million and Scotland has one tenth that. So if the richer parts of England subsidise the poor parts of Scotland, so do the richer parts of Scotland subsidise the poor parts of England. It all balances out.

:rolleyes: you would rather the world be just one big glorious nation?

Yes. Gets rid of all these false borders and maybe bring some unity to the human race

Oh yes and let's not forget the bill English taxpayers pick up for Scots' free university places too. In fact, Scotland does not generate enough revenue to pay for itself, and hence England and her taxpayers pick up the bill. I'd really stop complaining if I were Scottish.

Oh yeah, and as for the University places bill? Let me tell you as a resident of Edinburgh that there are plenty of young English men and women taking up those free places too! They weren't free when I started uni in 1999 but we didn't put up with it and protested until it was changed back a year later. If you're jealous of our situation I suggest you stop whining and do the same.

Hmm... the thing you have to remember is that the jewel in the UK nowadays is London, the only major international city we have left. London is what brings a huge amount of wealth and attention to the UK on the world stage, and everyone in the UK both puts money into, and gains from, London. So you could say people across the UK are subsidising London too.

You can't say that England picks up the bill for Scotland, what about the huge wealth generated by the North Sea oil and gas? Or The Royal Bank of Scotland, the fifth biggest bank in the world, with a bigger market capitalisation than McDonald's, Nike and General Motors put together? England has a population of 50 million and Scotland has one tenth that. So if the richer parts of England subsidise the poor parts of Scotland, so do the richer parts of Scotland subsidise the poor parts of England. It all balances out.

First of all, I fail to see what you're trying to get at with the London analogy. London does, In fact, generate enough revenue to pay for itself. Also, London is not usually seeking independence from the rest of England. People in London pay for their own children's unversity places.
Secondly, I can quite easily say that England picks up the bill for Scotland. North Sea Oil and Gas revenue, with the Royal Bank of Scotland are two stories of commercial success, which are quite stunningly irrelevant in this argument. The only actual contribution they make comes in the form of taxes they pay. All of England pays towards Scottish projects. The Scottish Parliament was paid for with mostly English money, as are the dozens of projects being built around Scotland today. The Scots' generosity towards themselves, awarding themselves free university places, new benefits, and so on do actually need to be paid for by someone. And that someone is the average English taxpayer. Scotland runs at a deficit. They spend far more than they generate in taxes. This means that England pays for the left over. Look it up. You'll find I'm right. It does not balance out. Around 50 million Englishmen pay for the perks of 5 million Scots. Scot money is also used to fund Scottish projects, by the way, which means that it makes very little difference in England.

Guys, this is pathetic. It's supposed to be a thread about how great Britain is & you're just turning into an English/Scots argument? A tad unneccesary, don't you think?

I'll take your word for it on the deficit, although I haven't heard that anywhere else. My point is that you can't compare England and Scotland as separate and complete entities. The borders are open, people move between the two, companies do the same, so does money. The North of England is poorer than the South, just as Scotland is poorer than the South of England. It would seem that the closer you are to mainland Europe, the better chance for trade and commercial success, which makes sense. But everyone in the UK pays their taxes and some of it goes to trying to revitalise struggling areas, whether that is the Liverpool docklands, the London 2012 Olympics or a poor area of Glasgow. These poor areas are revitalised to bring more economic success and prosperity to the UK as a whole. If Scotland isn't doing so well just now, then the UK as a whole helps. If, in 50 years the Midlands aren't doing so well, the UK will put money into that area instead. I don't think it's right that you paint a portrait of Scots as being greedy with their parliament and lying the lap of state luxury while you poor Englanders toil away.

It annoys me when scots like sean connery say "soctland should have independence" and yet, he was trianed to be an actor in england, cos scotland has no decent acting schools, (maybe now, not when he was younger)

Another, andrew murray, that scot chap who played at wimbelden. Yes, the scots are proud of him but, the scottish crowds yelling HANDS OFF ENGLAND< HE'S ORS pisses me off, where was he trained? england.

In an interview, he was asked about the cricket match between england and australia the next day , he said somehting like, sorry england, but im gonna be cheering for australia, which pissed me off.

And one more thing, why is it scottish people got pissed of when england won the rugby world cup?!?!?! if scotland was playing, and won , i would of cheered, there british, like me (unless there playing england of course :p )

Guys, this is pathetic. It's supposed to be a thread about how great Britain is & you're just turning into an English/Scots argument? A tad unneccesary, don't you think?

Fair enough. The UK rules! I love England, Wales and Scotland! Never been to Northern Ireland but I'm sure it's great too!

By the way, sorry to be pedantic, but am I right in saying that Britain doesn't actually include N. Ireland? As in, N.I. is a part of the UK but not Britain. Hence the name 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.

England?!?! If england has all the how do you dos forget it. i h..love england 3 cheers for england hip hip horray(3)
:) :headbang: :eek:

Oh yeah, and as for the University places bill? Let me tell you as a resident of Edinburgh that there are plenty of young English men and women taking up those free places too! They weren't free when I started uni in 1999 but we didn't put up with it and protested until it was changed back a year later. If you're jealous of our situation I suggest you stop whining and do the same.

Why shouldn't they take advantage? You all seem happy enough to. You would have had no right to protest, as the state does not owe you a highes education and you would have had no right to demand one. You still have no argument for why you deserve a free university place ahead of the rest of Britain. Im not actually whining, something at which the Scottish population are immensely skilled, and remind you that we cannot do the same. We have to pay for our university places because, unlike you, we have no one else to pay them for us. Who do you suggest we dump the bill on? Wales perhaps? The Isle of Man? England has too many students to pay for, and providing such education for free would burden taxpayers even more and be unfair on those who do not have children, just as the current system where we are expected to pay for you is unfair. Wake up and see that this is injustice.

It annoys me when scots like sean connery say "soctland should have independence" and yet, he was trianed to be an actor in england, cos scotland has no decent acting schools, (maybe now, not when he was younger)

Another, andrew murray, that scot chap who played at wimbelden. Yes, the scots are proud of him but, the scottish crowds yelling HANDS OFF ENGLAND< HE'S ORS pisses me off, where was he trained? england.

In an interview, he was asked about the cricket match between england and australia the next day , he said somehting like, sorry england, but im gonna be cheering for australia, which pissed me off.

And one more thing, why is it scottish people got pissed of when england won the rugby world cup?!?!?! if scotland was playing, and won , i would of cheered, there british, like me (unless there playing england of course :p )

You're completely right on this, I hate all that Scottish nationalism too. We're brought up with it unfortunately, it's ingrained in the culture. It's only when you get older and meet people from all over the world and realise what a load of rubbish nationalism is. The majority of Scots don't want independence (hence the SNP never having won an election) and I think it's great you won the rugby world cup! Bravo!

It's an alright place, I guess. Check an Eckert-IV (accurately projected, if I'm not much mistaken - though feel free to correct me, geo-geeks) map of the world sometime, and ask yourself how a nation that small managed to control such an Empire as it did ;)

Seriously, though, it's not a bad place to live, I guess :) Huzzah for Britain!
i am from america and we have it tougher ( if you want to were skirts as a man) if you guys do you are just cellabrating your cullture but if we do it we are a transvestite Drag

Queen :fluffle: :eek: :sniper:

By the way, sorry to be pedantic, but am I right in saying that Britain doesn't actually include N. Ireland? As in, N.I. is a part of the UK but not Britain. Hence the name 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.


Interesting thought, never thought about that. Anyway, english sailers thougout history have been the best, caverly too, whereas scottis infantry has been the best, the black watch is one of the best in the world, been around allmost 300 years, it faught in napoloenic wars (including waterloo)

ww1 ww2 countless colonial wars, and i THINK it faught in the american revolution. now its gonna be broken, cos of money :rolleyes: and merged with a load of other regiments. sad, hitler , kaiser wilhelm the 2nd and napoleon coudent destroy the black watch, but blair does it in one stroke with a pen...


Anyway, britian rules!

Guys, this is pathetic. It's supposed to be a thread about how great Britain is & you're just turning into an English/Scots argument? A tad unneccesary, don't you think?

Fair point. Im mainly to blame for this and I started the damn thread!
*slaps self for steering us off course* however, I don't feel it is pathetic. When things need to be addressed, you must address them. And as the patriotism has died down, this seems to have taken its place. ... but no more! back to how great we all are together! not how divided we can be on the forum!

I always cheer for Scotland, Wales, and the two Irelands when they play in sport unless they are facing England. It disheartens me when i see Scottish people supporting Argentina over England, or Germany over England. I find that sad and pathetic.

Oh and on the previous argument, England does subsidise Scotland to a significant extent. IT may be called the Royal Bank of Scotland but who are the major shareholders? Are they Scottish?

It is also estimated that London provides about 60% of the GDP of the whole of Britain, not sure if that is correct but if it is, thats a massive amount.

Why shouldn't they take advantage? You all seem happy enough to. You would have had no right to protest, as the state does not owe you a highes education and you would have had no right to demand one. You still have no argument for why you deserve a free university place ahead of the rest of Britain. Im not actually whining, something at which the Scottish population are immensely skilled, and remind you that we cannot do the same. We have to pay for our university places because, unlike you, we have no one else to pay them for us. Who do you suggest we dump the bill on? Wales perhaps? The Isle of Man? England has too many students to pay for, and providing such education for free would burden taxpayers even more and be unfair on those who do not have children, just as the current system where we are expected to pay for you is unfair. Wake up and see that this is injustice.

Mate, if you want free uni education, take it. Yes the taxpayers will pay for it. Like everything else. But it is more fair that way than poor families not being able to afford it (or at least thinking they can't). I don't suggest you "dump" the bill on anyone. Once again you're painting a portrait that just isn't accurate. And, for the record, I wasn't saying that English students shouldn't take advantage, I was merely trying to point out that we are one country and economy. Whether you think the state "owes" you a higher education or not is irrelevant. If you don't ask, you don't get. This is not injustice in the slightest. Plus, the population of Scotland is actually shrinking as many higher skilled workers move to England, the USA and Australia for a better lifestyle and jobs. So again, everything is intertwined and it's not just a case of Scotland taking handouts.

The only reason the yanks won was because they got france and spain to help them thats why the french gave them the statue of liberty this image of america winning the war by itself it bullcrap because before the french and spaish came the americans where losing.

About britain i think you should start seeing yourselves more as one person us australia sadly do the same like im a victorian and i have a friend who is a newsouthwelshman bit stupid really but like others said scotland and england have very diffrent pasts

Fair point. Im mainly to blame for this and I started the damn thread!
*slaps self for steering us off course* however, I don't feel it is pathetic. When things need to be addressed, you must address them. And as the patriotism has died down, this seems to have taken its place. ... but no more! back to how great we all are together! not how divided we can be on the forum!


I agree, im sad patriotism has almost stopped in britian, in schools we're not taught about our empire, which was our finest hour (thought i secretly beleif the only way the solve africas problems is not throw money at them, but reconolise them ;) )

Noone knows the words to rule britania or the british grenediers, in a recent survey, shockingly few young people know who arthur wellesley was (duke of wellington), or nelson, our country is dying lads, what shall we do??? sit back and watch it happen?

ww1 ww2 countless colonial wars, and i THINK it faught in the american revolution. now its gonna be broken, cos of money :rolleyes: and merged with a load of other regiments. sad, hitler , kaiser wilhelm the 2nd and napoleon coudent destroy the black watch, but blair does it in one stroke with a pen...


Anyway, britian rules!

I think your post contains most of what is wrong with this country, the bleeding heart politicians who have no concept of honour or the real world. All they are after is keeping themselves in power, and getting what they want.

I was not born in England, as my parents were working as ex-pats at the time, but I have lived here since I was about 4 and am as patriotic as they come.

I am a great advocate in reintroducing national service. Get all those people who have no respect into the army and give them some damn dicipline!

It is only with such teaching that someone can turn from a disease and drain on society into something which might possibly benefit the world.

I hate to burst your bubble, but theoretically, no.

Queenie - as I affectionately call her - is Scottish, not English, and is descended from the Kings of Scotland.

So really, "our" (England's) Royal Family is Scottish - but don't tell them that.

Pffft. Her name now would be Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg Gotha. Very Scottish.

The heir to the throne is greek and german.

I always cheer for Scotland, Wales, and the two Irelands when they play in sport unless they are facing England. It disheartens me when i see Scottish people supporting Argentina over England, or Germany over England. I find that sad and pathetic.

Oh and on the previous argument, England does subsidise Scotland to a significant extent. IT may be called the Royal Bank of Scotland but who are the major shareholders? Are they Scottish?

It is also estimated that London provides about 60% of the GDP of the whole of Britain, not sure if that is correct but if it is, thats a massive amount.

The shareholders are in it to make money, not to be charitable! People from all over the world own shares in all kinds of companies. Most of the RBS shareholders are undoubtedly not Scottish, as I can't imagine a company worth hundreds of billions of pounds being supported by a population of 5 million! When England has a population ten times the size, of course there will be more shareholders from there! It doesn't mean a thing.

Anyhoo, back to all the positive UK championing stuff.

The only reason the yanks won was because they got france and spain to help them thats why the french gave them the statue of liberty this image of america winning the war by itself it bullcrap because before the french and spaish came the americans where losing.

About britain i think you should start seeing yourselves more as one person us australia sadly do the same like im a victorian and i have a friend who is a newsouthwelshman bit stupid really but like others said scotland and england have very diffrent pasts

As much as i love most yanks, it annoys me when they yell they saved france twice, well, france saved them twice. First, as u say, the war of revolution, that and we had india to conquer, much better then america..

And in 1812, napoleon was crusading accross europe, we coudent be destracted, yeah the yanks beat us, but if there was no napoleon, i have no doubt we could of defeated them. france and the USA are equal in saving eachother.

The shareholders are in it to make money, not to be charitable! People from all over the world own shares in all kinds of companies. Most of the RBS shareholders are undoubtedly not Scottish, as I can't imagine a company worth hundreds of billions of pounds being supported by a population of 5 million! When England has a population ten times the size, of course there will be more shareholders from there! It doesn't mean a thing.

Anyhoo, back to all the positive UK championing stuff.

The UK population is closer to 70 million.

As much as i love most yanks, it annoys me when they yell they saved france twice, well, france saved them twice. First, as u say, the war of revolution, that and we had india to conquer, much better then america..

Added to the fact that France surrendered twice, and it was basically the UK holding out against the Germans who had the production facilities of most of europe supplying them with materials while we had to exist on the stuff we were being loaned from the Americans to supplement that we could mine and process for ourselves.

I think your post contains most of what is wrong with this country, the bleeding heart politicians who have no concept of honour or the real world. All they are after is keeping themselves in power, and getting what they want.

I was not born in England, as my parents were working as ex-pats at the time, but I have lived here since I was about 4 and am as patriotic as they come.

I am a great advocate in reintroducing national service. Get all those people who have no respect into the army and give them some damn dicipline!

It is only with such teaching that someone can turn from a disease and drain on society into something which might possibly benefit the world.

Ah national service, i would LOVE for that to be back, it would get rid of all those chavs, and get them to give something back to the country, instead of having kids at 15 and living of benifits!!!

I went to boarding school, a traditional hard one, drills etc, im 18 but people remark at what a well mannered young man i am (not on here though :p ) and i think most people that had 2 years at least in the military, not nessisarily combat roles but, learning to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your actions etc, will do blighty the world of good.

The UK population is closer to 70 million.

It's actually 60,441,457 (July 2005 est.)

Taken from http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html

That's roughly 50 million England, 5 million Scotland, 3 million Wales and 2 million N. Ireland, as far as I know.

It's actually 60,441,457 (July 2005 est.)

Taken from http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html

That's roughly 50 million England, 5 million Scotland, 3 million Wales and 2 million N. Ireland, as far as I know.

But it is closer to 70 million than it is 50 million. So I'm right.

The UK population is closer to 70 million.

London has about the same population as australia quite amazingly

Ah national service, i would LOVE for that to be back, it would get rid of all those chavs, and get them to give something back to the country, instead of having kids at 15 and living of benifits!!!

I went to boarding school, a traditional hard one, drills etc, im 18 but people remark at what a well mannered young man i am (not on here though :p ) and i think most people that had 2 years at least in the military, not nessisarily combat roles but, learning to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your actions etc, will do blighty the world of good.

ARGH! BOARDING SCHOOL!

EVIL TOFF!

ARGH! BOARDING SCHOOL!

EVIL TOFF!
haha, no, i went for my dyslexia mainly. But, i loved it.

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London has about the same population as australia quite amazingly


Haha! Who told you that! What a load of rubbish. London has a population of around 6 million, and Australia has 19.4 million. Sydney alone has a population of 4 million! Haha!

The UK population is closer to 70 million.

Incidentally, did you know we have more mobile phones in the UK than we do people?

*Warning! blatant over-the-top patriotism alert. Historical accuracy may or may not be considered relevant while reading this post*


YAY FOR BRITAIN! England Rocks! Scotland Rocks! Wales Rocks! N. Ireland Rocks! And we've all got lots of rocks too! Bonus!

Britain - the best bloody nation on the planet. Cradle of the industrial revolution and all things cool and techy since. We built and designed everything worth building and designing. Brunel was the man! And Arkwright! And Bell! And Logie Baird! And Einstein - he was British too! And Darwin! And Hawking!

We designed the water-wheel! The internal combustion engine! The iPod! Sliced bread - that was ours! TV! Telephones! Mobile phones! Satellites! The Space Shuttle! We invented space! The moon and the sun? British! Stars were our idea too! And weather! We've got more weather than you can shake a stick at. We should know - we tried it for years. Didn't make any bloody difference. It still rained! Yay for rain! We invented rain!

AND we've got the best royal family ever! We've never been invaded! No-one has ever beaten us! Julius Caesar? He was British. He was just coming home to see his mum! And William the Conqueror. British as they come. He was even called William for crying out loud. Like our next King will be (probably). See! British, British, British!

At one time or other we've run every nation on earth. We carved up the Middle East, civilised South East Asia, discovered Africa (it was all lions and elephants 'til we got there!) invented America and Australia, twatted the French, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Germans, the Argentines, the Bolivians, the Guatemalans AND the Russians! All at the same time. With one hand behind our backs. Blindfolded.

We invented the UN, the World Wide Web and Electricity! How awesomw are we!?

YAY FOR BRITAIN.

*stands, salutes, hums Land of Hope and Glory in incandescent patriotic fervour, explodes*

Thank you.

No better way to make someone fight for there country then to put them into the military that will give them dam respect im planing on joining the military when im older give something back to the country i love

15 years of the UK has convinced me we're not that great, but I do feel a sense of pride for this country. We started off as one of the smallest countries, and worked up to being overlords of a quarter of the world's population and landmass, and that whole 'totally alone' thing during the early stages of WWII wasn't a bad feat either.

Stupid French surrender-monkeys.

Haha! Who told you that! What a load of rubbish. London has a population of around 6 million, and Australia has 19.4 million. Sydney alone has a population of 4 million! Haha!


isint it 18 million sure i heard it somewhere it aint much of a mega city with only 6 million people infact im dam sure it's 18 million

*Warning! blatant over-the-top patriotism alert. Historical accuracy may or may not be considered relevant while reading this post*


YAY FOR BRITAIN! England Rocks! Scotland Rocks! Wales Rocks! N. Ireland Rocks! And we've all got lots of rocks too! Bonus!

Britain - the best bloody nation on the planet. Cradle of the industrial revolution and all things cool and techy since. We built and designed everything worth building and designing. Brunel was the man! And Arkwright! And Bell! And Logie Baird! And Einstein - he was British too! And Darwin! And Hawking!

We designed the water-wheel! The internal combustion engine! The iPod! Sliced bread - that was ours! TV! Telephones! Mobile phones! Satellites! The Space Shuttle! We invented space! The moon and the sun? British! Stars were our idea too! And weather! We've got more weather than you can shake a stick at. We should know - we tried it for years. Didn't make any bloody difference. It still rained! Yay for rain! We invented rain!

AND we've got the best royal family ever! We've never been invaded! No-one has ever beaten us! Julius Caesar? He was British. He was just coming home to see his mum! And William the Conqueror. British as they come. He was even called William for crying out loud. Like our next King will be (probably). See! British, British, British!

At one time or other we've run every nation on earth. We carved up the Middle East, civilised South East Asia, discovered Africa (it was all lions and elephants 'til we got there!) invented America and Australia, twatted the French, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Germans, the Argentines, the Bolivians, the Guatemalans AND the Russians! All at the same time. With one hand behind our backs. Blindfolded.

We invented the UN, the World Wide Web and Electricity! How awesomw are we!?

YAY FOR BRITAIN.

*stands, salutes, hums Land of Hope and Glory in incandescent patriotic fervour, explodes*

Thank you.

I love you :D

*Warning! blatant over-the-top patriotism alert. Historical accuracy may or may not be considered relevant while reading this post*


YAY FOR BRITAIN! England Rocks! Scotland Rocks! Wales Rocks! N. Ireland Rocks! And we've all got lots of rocks too! Bonus!

Britain - the best bloody nation on the planet. Cradle of the industrial revolution and all things cool and techy since. We built and designed everything worth building and designing. Brunel was the man! And Arkwright! And Bell! And Logie Baird! And Einstein - he was British too! And Darwin! And Hawking!

We designed the water-wheel! The internal combustion engine! The iPod! Sliced bread - that was ours! TV! Telephones! Mobile phones! Satellites! The Space Shuttle! We invented space! The moon and the sun? British! Stars were our idea too! And weather! We've got more weather than you can shake a stick at. We should know - we tried it for years. Didn't make any bloody difference. It still rained! Yay for rain! We invented rain!

AND we've got the best royal family ever! We've never been invaded! No-one has ever beaten us! Julius Caesar? He was British. He was just coming home to see his mum! And William the Conqueror. British as they come. He was even called William for crying out loud. Like our next King will be (probably). See! British, British, British!

At one time or other we've run every nation on earth. We carved up the Middle East, civilised South East Asia, discovered Africa (it was all lions and elephants 'til we got there!) invented America and Australia, twatted the French, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Germans, the Argentines, the Bolivians, the Guatemalans AND the Russians! All at the same time. With one hand behind our backs. Blindfolded.

We invented the UN, the World Wide Web and Electricity! How awesomw are we!?

YAY FOR BRITAIN.

*stands, salutes, hums Land of Hope and Glory in incandescent patriotic fervour, explodes*

Thank you.

LMAO!

haha, no, i went for my dyslexia mainly. But, i loved it.

I severely distrust boarding schools. The ultimate place to get buggered by a burly rugby captain. In a very bad way.

The old system would be good. The comprehensive system bites. Having said that, I only say that because I could have done quite well out of the old grammar system :D

I am so full of myself : )

Idiot 60's.

15 years of the UK has convinced me we're not that great, but I do feel a sense of pride for this country. We started off as one of the smallest countries, and worked up to being overlords of a quarter of the world's population and landmass, and that whole 'totally alone' thing during the early stages of WWII wasn't a bad feat either.

Stupid French surrender-monkeys.

The brits have lots to be proud of most countries owe the uk more civilizing them and if it wasnt for britain ww1&2 would have been won by the germans
the russians wouldnt have been able to keep them at bay if britain was lost infact we owe britain for things i dont think we can ever pay back

sry if we are gonna get onto the subject of why the rest of europe did kick ur ass lets. ONE, spainnish armada, made from scottish wood. TWO Jacobites, wacky catholics, allied to the french, scottish protestants fight them off, end threat of french attack. World War One scotland encures the highest losses as a percentage of population after France and New Zealand. James Watt, invents steam engine, make britain world superpower. Do i hav to go on. England and Scotland are where they are today because of each other, we needed u, u needed us, for security, money, population and all points inbetween, we needed u for money, security, stablitiy etc.

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When Ireland tried to sieze Dublin Post office in WW2, or was it WW1?

15 years of the UK has convinced me we're not that great, but I do feel a sense of pride for this country. We started off as one of the smallest countries, and worked up to being overlords of a quarter of the world's population and landmass, and that whole 'totally alone' thing during the early stages of WWII wasn't a bad feat either.

Stupid French surrender-monkeys.


Inventions that britian has made that we thought were crap, but the yanks nicked and took the credit for:

1. the revolver , actually around since medieval times, theres one left in warwick castle, preserved.

2. the computer, actually invented 250 years ago, rediscovered in ww2 and used to break the enigma code, again we destroyed it, but the yanks took and, and devoped it.

3. rifles.

I hate to burst your bubble, but theoretically, no.

Queenie - as I affectionately call her - is Scottish, not English, and is descended from the Kings of Scotland.

So really, "our" (England's) Royal Family is Scottish - but don't tell them that.

Actually they originated from Germany, the FAMILY is from Germany not Britian

The brits have lots to be proud of most countries owe the uk more civilizing them and if it wasnt for britain ww1&2 would have been won by the germans
the russians wouldnt have been able to keep them at bay if britain was lost infact we owe britain for things i dont think we can ever pay back

Yeah. We supplied Russia with resources. Russia supplied Germany with fresh corpses, daily.

Well alledgedly the Royal family dates back to some Germanic roots. So possibly our head of state is German :S

YOU BEAT ME BY AT LEAST 4 PAGES

Inventions that britian has made that we thought were crap, but the yanks nicked and took the credit for:

1. the revolver , actually around since medieval times, theres one left in warwick castle, preserved.

2. the computer, actually invented 250 years ago, rediscovered in ww2 and used to break the enigma code, again we destroyed it, but the yanks took and, and devoped it.

3. rifles.

You forgot radar the americans toke that and upgraded it until they think it's theres

Actually they originated from Germany, the FAMILY is from Germany not Britian

I already pointed that out :P

One point to me!

Inventions that britian has made that we thought were crap, but the yanks nicked and took the credit for:

1. the revolver , actually around since medieval times, theres one left in warwick castle, preserved.

2. the computer, actually invented 250 years ago, rediscovered in ww2 and used to break the enigma code, again we destroyed it, but the yanks took and, and devoped it.

3. rifles.

4) Jet engines (we invented them, the Nazis used them, the americans stole them and claimed them for their own...)

5) Super sonic flight (the Americans stole out designs for flight control surfaces needed to stabalise a plane at super sonic speeds, without which your expensice p[lane is just so much junk on fire after hitting the ground)

15 years of the UK has convinced me we're not that great, but I do feel a sense of pride for this country. We started off as one of the smallest countries, and worked up to being overlords of a quarter of the world's population and landmass, and that whole 'totally alone' thing during the early stages of WWII wasn't a bad feat either.

Stupid French surrender-monkeys.

To be fair mate, imperialism isn't necessarily such a great thing. Look at all the trouble being caused by (albeit alleged) US imperialism at the moment. We did some horrible things to indigenous people when we went out on a colonising spree (as did the other European powers). As for France in WW2, they suffered some of the heaviest losses of any nation, and didn't have Britains natural protection as an island fortress. If we were part of mainland Europe, joined to France, we would have almost undoubtedly been overrun by the Blitzkreig too. If you want to slag a country for surrendering, try Italy. As soon as the Nazis set foot there Italy gave up - in fact not only gave up but actually joined the Nazis' side.

One fact i love is, there are less then 5 countrys britian HASNT had a war with, we are the most war like nation in history, and for each onw we lost, we won 10, and thats accurate.

Queen Victoria was german

Actually they originated from Germany, the FAMILY is from Germany not Britian


Interesting point. Theoretically, William is now descended from just about every major bloodline in history. Those Charles was missing were made up in Diana's line. I'll try to find the link, but apparently it includes everyone from Genghis Khan (?!) to Julius Caesar! Certainly every major European bloodline. All in a young man who looks like a horse. Weird huh?

And Scottish taxpayers wouldn't have to fund the Millennium Dome, etc, etc. It probably all balances out in the end. I agree with you though.

Im from and in England, BUT WHY IS NOONE TAKING ABOUT SMALL WHALES WHICH SOUNDS (STARTED CAPS HERE USED SHIFT BEFORE) LIKE BIG WALES!!

To be fair mate, imperialism isn't necessarily such a great thing. Look at all the trouble being caused by (albeit alleged) US imperialism at the moment. We did some horrible things to indigenous people when we went out on a colonising spree (as did the other European powers). As for France in WW2, they suffered some of the heaviest losses of any nation, and didn't have Britains natural protection as an island fortress. If we were part of mainland Europe, joined to France, we would have almost undoubtedly been overrun by the Blitzkreig too. If you want to slag a country for surrendering, try Italy. As soon as the Nazis set foot there Italy gave up - in fact not only gave up but actually joined the Nazis' side.

Yes and as soon as we step foot in italy they joined us there just two faced wogs

To be fair mate, imperialism isn't necessarily such a great thing. Look at all the trouble being caused by (albeit alleged) US imperialism at the moment. We did some horrible things to indigenous people when we went out on a colonising spree (as did the other European powers). As for France in WW2, they suffered some of the heaviest losses of any nation, and didn't have Britains natural protection as an island fortress. If we were part of mainland Europe, joined to France, we would have almost undoubtedly been overrun by the Blitzkreig too. If you want to slag a country for surrendering, try Italy. As soon as the Nazis set foot there Italy gave up - in fact not only gave up but actually joined the Nazis' side.

The french surrendered when one gun fired on Paris :|

I forget which war this was. Not only that, but the French goverment allied themselves with the Germans and ruled their own section of France just to keep their own power :|

Because Wales has nothing. It has sheep, coal and slate.But nothing else. I've just about said it all for Wales.

:p thats fine, ill just take my voting rights as a Londoner when the Scottish elections come round.

Yeah our Royal Family (as far as anyone can tell) is descended from the Hanovers of Germany, who came here at the time of WW1 i believe (though i may be wrong) and claimed the throne - they dont actually have any right to it. The true monarch is a guy living in Australia whoes family got kicked off the throne in the middle ages or something.

tHEN hes not the trues monarch if his family was kicked off wtf

tHEN hes not the trues monarch if his family was kicked off wtf

Pffft (TM). The Hanovers came around withKing George the something. But it was long before WWI.
They changed the family name from Saxe-Coburg Gotha to Windsor to avoid the obvious problems of fighting the Germans when you have a slightly Germanic name.

.... If you want to slag a country for surrendering, try Italy. As soon as the Nazis set foot there Italy gave up - in fact not only gave up but actually joined the Nazis' side.

The Italians are lovers not fighters ;)

The Italians are lovers not fighters ;)

Yup. They love whichever power happens to be occupying them :D

I'll take your word for it on the deficit, although I haven't heard that anywhere else. My point is that you can't compare England and Scotland as separate and complete entities. The borders are open, people move between the two, companies do the same, so does money. The North of England is poorer than the South, just as Scotland is poorer than the South of England. It would seem that the closer you are to mainland Europe, the better chance for trade and commercial success, which makes sense. But everyone in the UK pays their taxes and some of it goes to trying to revitalise struggling areas, whether that is the Liverpool docklands, the London 2012 Olympics or a poor area of Glasgow. These poor areas are revitalised to bring more economic success and prosperity to the UK as a whole. If Scotland isn't doing so well just now, then the UK as a whole helps. If, in 50 years the Midlands aren't doing so well, the UK will put money into that area instead. I don't think it's right that you paint a portrait of Scots as being greedy with their parliament and lying the lap of state luxury while you poor Englanders toil away.

Thanks fro putting for "United" (and Kingdom) back into United Kingdom

I'll take your word for it on the deficit, although I haven't heard that anywhere else. My point is that you can't compare England and Scotland as separate and complete entities. The borders are open, people move between the two, companies do the same, so does money. The North of England is poorer than the South, just as Scotland is poorer than the South of England. It would seem that the closer you are to mainland Europe, the better chance for trade and commercial success, which makes sense. But everyone in the UK pays their taxes and some of it goes to trying to revitalise struggling areas, whether that is the Liverpool docklands, the London 2012 Olympics or a poor area of Glasgow. These poor areas are revitalised to bring more economic success and prosperity to the UK as a whole. If Scotland isn't doing so well just now, then the UK as a whole helps. If, in 50 years the Midlands aren't doing so well, the UK will put money into that area instead. I don't think it's right that you paint a portrait of Scots as being greedy with their parliament and lying the lap of state luxury while you poor Englanders toil away.

OLYMPICS!!

Damn greedy lap of luxury scots...Grrr...

:)

Fair enough. The UK rules! I love England, Wales and Scotland! Never been to Northern Ireland but I'm sure it's great too!

By the way, sorry to be pedantic, but am I right in saying that Britain doesn't actually include N. Ireland? As in, N.I. is a part of the UK but not Britain. Hence the name 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.

Correct

So UK and United Kingdom nn OFFICIAL news shows (BBc...) are wrong

The... or UKGBNI LOLOLOLOLOL Looks like Ferrari has merged with Coca Cola and McDonalds!

To be fair mate, imperialism isn't necessarily such a great thing.


Yes and no. I beleive personally, the empire should be reveived, why?

When we ruled the world, we were mean bas*ards, we have a worse record then the nazi's (thankfully noone remembers what we did to the boers etc) but, there are plus sides. American imperialism is bad because, altough they dont officialy own the territory, (like most of south america) they control it.

Now when a country is unofficially controlled, all america is bothered about is keeping that control, and to do that, they keep them poor via unfair trade etc.

However, when we owned, say, africa. It was official, we gave these nations technoligy, we gave them jobs, an identity to be proud of. We vastly increased quality of life for the indigenous (the is on a mostly basis, i know there are cases when we didnt)

If we were to do it again, in say, africa, officially. We would get rid of those nasty dictaters, build up industry, give jobs, somthing to be proud of, we get to sell there goods etc, making us a profit, so we both benifit. Of course, the brits being mean gits as we are, we should do what we do witht he remnants of our empire, hold a refurendum once say, every few years if they want independence like we do with N ireland and Gibralter. Im an imperialist!!!! and im not afraid to admit it.

Damn greedy lap of luxury scots...Grrr...

:)

Right, I'm off to lie on my chaislong and have an English slave feed me grapes.

Better go earn some money so I can pay my taxes!

Oops, I hear Mr. Hamish McHamish calling to me, I must go and feed him deep-fried Mars bars....

I'm something like 1/8 scottish, does that mean I get 1/8 of an English slave???

i am from america and we have it tougher ( if you want to were skirts as a man) if you guys do you are just cellabrating your cullture but if we do it we are a transvestite Drag

Queen :fluffle: :eek: :sniper:

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Interesting thought, never thought about that. Anyway, english sailers thougout history have been the best, caverly too, whereas scottis infantry has been the best, the black watch is one of the best in the world, been around allmost 300 years, it faught in napoloenic wars (including waterloo)

ww1 ww2 countless colonial wars, and i THINK it faught in the american revolution. now its gonna be broken, cos of money :rolleyes: and merged with a load of other regiments. sad, hitler , kaiser wilhelm the 2nd and napoleon coudent destroy the black watch, but blair does it in one stroke with a pen...


Anyway, britian rules!

Like in ww2, germany had an operation part of it was to destroy the RAF. Failed lol

:p thats fine, ill just take my voting rights as a Londoner when the Scottish elections come round.

Yeah our Royal Family (as far as anyone can tell) is descended from the Hanovers of Germany, who came here at the time of WW1 i believe (though i may be wrong) and claimed the throne - they dont actually have any right to it. The true monarch is a guy living in Australia whoes family got kicked off the throne in the middle ages or something.

The House of Hannover claimed the Throne of Great Britain in the eighteenth century, upon the death of Queen Anne. And they did have a claim to it: they were something like Anne's cousins; but still descended from the same line as the Scottish Kings - somehow.
And the thing about "King Michael" is loosely true: his claim to the throne is only legitimate if a certain King - can't remember which one - was illegitimate, and I don't know if that was ever discovered. He is, however, loosely related to the Royal Family - although through many degrees of separation.

Yes im a imperialist 2 but dont be so hard on yourself your treated your own people just as badly the highlanders were wiped out by you and you sent your prisoners to the other side of the world when people say our the brits badly treated other people you should see our they were willing to treat themselves.

Im wondering if im teasing or what

Interesting point. Theoretically, William is now descended from just about every major bloodline in history. Those Charles was missing were made up in Diana's line. I'll try to find the link, but apparently it includes everyone from Genghis Khan (?!) to Julius Caesar! Certainly every major European bloodline. All in a young man who looks like a horse. Weird huh?

Here you go - http://www.monarchist.ca/archives/ethnic.htm

OK - so maybe not Julius Caesar, although I'm sure if you looked hard enough...

Yes im a imperialist 2 but dont be so hard on yourself your treated your own people just as badly the highlanders were wiped out by you and you sent your prisoners to the other side of the world when people say our the brits badly treated other people you should see our they were willing to treat themselves.


Never said we didnt , the british have been, and allways will be mean bastards, even to eachother. But, we didnt "wipe out the higlanders" Scotland now is a cool nation, because it was braught up to date by the rest of britian. Some scots resisted, ah well.

Here you go - http://www.monarchist.ca/archives/ethnic.htm

OK - so maybe not Julius Caesar, although I'm sure if you looked hard enough...

freaky!

We've always been the meanest of bastards. And that's why we were so dominant for so long.

And the thing about "King Michael" is loosely true: his claim to the throne is only legitimate if a certain King - can't remember which one - was illegitimate, and I don't know if that was ever discovered. He is, however, loosely related to the Royal Family - although through many degrees of separation.

Tony Robinson did the programme on it. It was after a discovery that one of the Henry's (III or IV, I forget) was actually of an illegitimate line. He knew one half of his line was illegitimate, so he claimed descent (after twatting Richard III) from his other side. It's THAT line which has now been proven also illegitimate, on account of Richard of York being off in battle at the time his 'son' was conceived. At the time, they claimed it was just an exceptionally long pregnancy - something like 11months...

Anyhoo, this bloke Michael in Australia is the oldest legitimate decendant of the Plantagenent line, and therefore the true descendant of the legitimate line of the English Royal Family. All the rest - Henry V, Elizabeth I, Henry VIII, Victoria, current Elizabeth etc - get their legitimacy and descent from the original illegitimate Henry. Ergo, they're no more royal than you, me or my bedroom door.

But no-one's going to do anything about it because this Michael blokes a republican anyway...

We've always been the meanest of bastards. And that's why we were so dominant for so long.

well, we're still politicly the most powerful country.

We are the leading member of the EU , both in presidency and in contributions.

We are one of the 5 perminant members of the UN.

We are the head of a commonwealth (old british empire, 52 countrys)

We are americas closest allie.

We have excellent ties with all countrys, maybe cos chances are we owned that country.....

we have the 4th most powerful economy in the world.

We may not have an empire now, but who's to say we wont again? Noone else can claim all the above credentials, im proud to be a brit!

We've always been the meanest of bastards. And that's why we were so dominant for so long.

Well you could have been like the spainish and wipe out entire civilzations because they didnt want you there (A.K.A aztecs) if they landed in australia we be looking at aboriginies in muesiums

Well you could have been like the spainish and wipe out entire civilzations because they didnt want you there (A.K.A aztecs) if they landed in australia we be looking at aboriginies in muesiums

We wiped out a lot of Tasmanians. And we were pretty damned evil tot he aborigines. Have you heard of Otah benga?

Well you could have been like the spainish and wipe out entire civilzations because they didnt want you there (A.K.A aztecs) if they landed in australia we be looking at aboriginies in muesiums


actually, we tried to wipe aboriginies out, the rich and famous would go to australia on game hunting trips, the game being aboriginies! But , ure right we were bad, but THAT bad, as a result, spain is a shell of what it once was.

*Warning! blatant over-the-top patriotism alert. Historical accuracy may or may not be considered relevant while reading this post*


YAY FOR BRITAIN! England Rocks! Scotland Rocks! Wales Rocks! N. Ireland Rocks! And we've all got lots of rocks too! Bonus!

Britain - the best bloody nation on the planet. Cradle of the industrial revolution and all things cool and techy since. We built and designed everything worth building and designing. Brunel was the man! And Arkwright! And Bell! And Logie Baird! And Einstein - he was British too! And Darwin! And Hawking!

We designed the water-wheel! The internal combustion engine! The iPod! Sliced bread - that was ours! TV! Telephones! Mobile phones! Satellites! The Space Shuttle! We invented space! The moon and the sun? British! Stars were our idea too! And weather! We've got more weather than you can shake a stick at. We should know - we tried it for years. Didn't make any bloody difference. It still rained! Yay for rain! We invented rain!

AND we've got the best royal family ever! We've never been invaded! No-one has ever beaten us! Julius Caesar? He was British. He was just coming home to see his mum! And William the Conqueror. British as they come. He was even called William for crying out loud. Like our next King will be (probably). See! British, British, British!

At one time or other we've run every nation on earth. We carved up the Middle East, civilised South East Asia, discovered Africa (it was all lions and elephants 'til we got there!) invented America and Australia, twatted the French, the Dutch, the Spanish, the Germans, the Argentines, the Bolivians, the Guatemalans AND the Russians! All at the same time. With one hand behind our backs. Blindfolded.

We invented the UN, the World Wide Web and Electricity! How awesomw are we!?

YAY FOR BRITAIN.

*stands, salutes, hums Land of Hope and Glory in incandescent patriotic fervour, explodes*

Thank you.

Youre going a bit over the top lol Vikings Normans Saxons? WC BRITISH?? (Hey WC toliets re ruled by William the Conqueror!!) JC ROMAN DUH UN is American but we invented the Commonwealth you cant invent electricity and the 12 stars on the EU flag, we were one of the firest 12 YAY

actually, we tried to wipe aboriginies out, the rich and famous would go to australia on game hunting trips, the game being aboriginies! But , ure right we were bad, but THAT bad, as a result, spain is a shell of what it once was.

The tasmanians did but thats because thats were they sent the really bad prisoners and the tasmanians aboriginies where more violent then there mainland conterparts im not trying to justify what happened im just saying that allot of countries did allot worse then the brits.

Yes im a imperialist 2 but dont be so hard on yourself your treated your own people just as badly the highlanders were wiped out by you and you sent your prisoners to the other side of the world when people say our the brits badly treated other people you should see our they were willing to treat themselves.

Im wondering if im teasing or what

Is there a problem with your computer that whenever you try to type the word "how" it replaces it with "our" or something? And is the full stop key broken? ;)

I already pointed that out :P

One point to me!

I noticed a few seconds after posting anyway i send you beat me...

Is there a problem with your computer that whenever you try to type the word "how" it replaces it with "our" or something? And is the full stop key broken? ;)

no i just type to fast to the point that i usally dont check my spelling or what i have written i get words in my head and i type them down not great for spelling but great for speed.<-there full stop

Youre going a bit over the top

Really? Did you think so? I thought I was remarkably restrained and modest...

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How lovely. Stephenson, Stanier et al would be deeply proud.

How lovely. Stephenson, Stanier et al would be deeply proud.

They better be. I now have a patent on the text-choo-choo.

Yes and no. I beleive personally, the empire should be reveived, why?

When we ruled the world, we were mean bas*ards, we have a worse record then the nazi's (thankfully noone remembers what we did to the boers etc) but, there are plus sides. American imperialism is bad because, altough they dont officialy own the territory, (like most of south america) they control it.

Now when a country is unofficially controlled, all america is bothered about is keeping that control, and to do that, they keep them poor via unfair trade etc.

However, when we owned, say, africa. It was official, we gave these nations technoligy, we gave them jobs, an identity to be proud of. We vastly increased quality of life for the indigenous (the is on a mostly basis, i know there are cases when we didnt)

If we were to do it again, in say, africa, officially. We would get rid of those nasty dictaters, build up industry, give jobs, somthing to be proud of, we get to sell there goods etc, making us a profit, so we both benifit. Of course, the brits being mean gits as we are, we should do what we do witht he remnants of our empire, hold a refurendum once say, every few years if they want independence like we do with N ireland and Gibralter. Im an imperialist!!!! and im not afraid to admit it.

soz for last post BUT we also banned slavery and our Empire was so big that it affected most of the world: slavery :sniper:

We only banned slavery once we had got a lot of cash out of it.

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That's so cute :)

We only banned slavery once we had got a lot of cash out of it.

However, it not only took the 'land of the free and the brave' a lot longer to ban it than us, but also caused a massive war :|

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Ah ha ha! My Pacific 4-6-2 express beats your pansy little shunter hands down. :p

oooh!

Africa is controled by puppet-governments like how japan gives heaps of money to countries in the pacific and then pays for them to join the W.C so they can hopfully hunt heaps of whales again.

well, we're still politicly the most powerful country.

We are the leading member of the EU , both in presidency and in contributions.

We are one of the 5 perminant members of the UN.

We are the head of a commonwealth (old british empire, 52 countrys)

We are americas closest allie.

We have excellent ties with all countrys, maybe cos chances are we owned that country.....

we have the 4th most powerful economy in the world.

We may not have an empire now, but who's to say we wont again? Noone else can claim all the above credentials, im proud to be a brit!

WOOT WOOT Its good to be on the right side of America, wearing black mask, looks from side to side in a mysterious way

However, it not only took the 'land of the free and the brave' a lot longer to ban it than us, but also caused a massive war :|

Well i also dont see the yanks acting againts sweat-shops that fast either

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And THAT'S what made Britain great!

We only banned slavery once we had got a lot of cash out of it.
I know, but its better than nothing, we could be slaves, and NationStates would be called, GET BACK TO WORK NOW etc...

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My tran broke :(

The kept those unruly and churly Scots and Irish in check for the last 100 years.

We have had our problems here in the States with those groups too!
That why we brought in the Chinesse to compete with the drunken louts.

All we had to do with thte chincks was keep them dopped up on herion, not much for booze those boys are !

God Bless the brit's!

All this patriotism in the air and I thought I might seize a sizable chunk of it and hoard it over to Albion. That's right! Im a big fat patriotic Englishman! Now lets sit around and share stories of past naval victories while humming "Land of Hope and Glory." *invites further patriotic sentiments*
I like you, bastard boy.

FINALLY IVE reached the end of this topic, still, I know that by the time ive clicked submit more would have come...

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Bwahaha :P

LMAO. Damn 40's technology. No wonder we're not a super power anymore.

See!!

See again! AND WHATS THIS TO DO WITH TRAINS??

YES beat ya

See again! AND WHATS THIS TO DO WITH TRAINS??

YES beat ya

We invented them.

See again! AND WHATS THIS TO DO WITH TRAINS??

YES beat ya

LOL. We're merely demonstrating how at one time Britain had the greatest technical minds in the world, leading edge technology and loads of other stuff for which trains are symbolic, which is what made us the greatest. Now we don't.

But we're still awesome! :D

LOL. We're merely demonstrating how at one time Britain had the greatest technical minds in the world, leading edge technology and loads of other stuff for which trains are symbolic, which is what made us the greatest. Now we don't.

But we're still awesome! :D

I just made the first proper UK bullet train :D

LOL. We're merely demonstrating how at one time Britain had the greatest technical minds in the world, leading edge technology and loads of other stuff for which trains are symbolic, which is what made us the greatest. Now we don't.

But we're still awesome! :D

And our trains looked better ;)

I just made the first proper UK bullet train :D

Now all we need is a few more high speed lines and were set for a new industrial revolution. ;)

Im a huge fan of bad teeth.....oh wait thats all thoose Ivory Merchant movies....


But i like Albion myself nicely i must say.

Now all we need is a few more high speed lines and were set for a new industrial revolution. ;)

Are high speed lines posts that we make by typing really quickly? :p

I like you, bastard boy.

I beg your pardon?

What all this nostalgia about the 'Britain of the good old days'?

Did anyone actually live in those times? Britons may have been more able at keeping a 'stiff upper lip' and at not making fools out of themselves when on holiday but the fact remains; until recently Britain, just like most places until the last 30 odd years, was a pretty crap place to live. Especially if you were one of the poor who were just cast aside because they were an embarasment to the 'greatest power in the world'.

I myself am British and have no qualms about stating that Britain may have its problems now; but do not pretend everything previously was all rosy and perfect because that is at best meaningless claptrap and at worst a right-wing plot.

What all this nostalgia about the 'Britain of the good old days'?

Did anyone actually live in those times? Britons may have been more able at keeping a 'stiff upper lip' and at not making fools out of themselves when on holiday but the fact remains; until recently Britain, just like most places until the last 30 odd years, was a pretty crap place to live. Especially if you were one of the poor who were just cast aside because they were an embarasment to the 'greatest power in the world'.

I myself am British and have no qualms about stating that Britain may have its problems now; but do not pretend everything previously was all rosy and perfect because that is at best meaningless claptrap and at worst a right-wing plot.

I think you've kind of missed the point of this thread

I think you've kind of missed the point of this thread

Have I? Then please explain.

All this patriotism in the air and I thought I might seize a sizable chunk of it and hoard it over to Albion. That's right! Im a big fat patriotic Englishman! Now lets sit around and share stories of past naval victories while humming "Land of Hope and Glory." *invites further patriotic sentiments*

I'm English and I love England, I personally dislike 'Britain' however.

I would never called myself British.

I'm English and I love England, I personally detest 'Britain' however.

Why?

:headbang: Why?

Because I'm just full of anti-Britain hatred! :headbang:

ROAR!

I don't really know why, maybe its just because I am very proud of my country as a result I hate being catagorised as 'British' by other people when I am English.

So if you like England and hate britain does that mean you hate britain's policy, its effect on the world, the empire, reputation etc or does it mean you hate Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland?

So if you like England and hate britain does that mean you hate britain's policy, its effect on the world, the empire, reputation etc or does it mean you hate Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland?

/me senses being hemmed in by evil Britain lovers.

/me runs.

But seriously whatever I say its just going to turn into 'Well the English did butcher Scots during the blah blah' and 'Of course you know you owe alot to the Welsh who fled from the Romans, they are true Englishmen etc'.

Tbh I can't be bothered to argue lets just say theres a distinct lack of respect for England from the other countries in Britain, but thats my opinion. :p

BTW when I typed I was 'full of anti-Britain hatred' it was more a of a sarcastic joke, sorry if I didn't make myself clear. :)

I'm not a britain lover I'm just asking what you mean by hating Britain

I hate to jump in, especially since I am not English, British, of any -ish yet.

I also hate to mention that according to Brittanica, Albion is the name of the Island, as it was used by ancient Greek geographers from the 4th century BC and even earlier, who distinguished “Albion” from Ierne (Ireland) and from smaller members of the British Isles. The Greeks and Romans probably received the name from the Gauls or the Celts. The name Albion has been translated as “white land”; and the Romans explained it as referring to thechalk cliffs at Dover (Latin albus, “white”).

Britain is a pretty cool place..... but let's not start on its inhabitants just yet...particularly the English.

So is this topic about the land, about the inhabitants, or about their ideas?

Tbh I can't be bothered to argue lets just say theres a distinct lack of respect for England from the other countries in Britain, but thats my opinion. :p



Damm i was just gonna go for the old "you stole our country". So simple and yet so.........annoying

Britain is a pretty cool place..... but let's not start on its inhabitants just yet...particularly the English.


Why are we really that bad? :p

I love Britain (my country) mostly out of blind loyalty but also because we are the best country in the world after all we invented time, the weekend and because we always kick those pesky French/Irish booty's

Why are we really that bad? :p

Probably, I sure as well don't want to be associated with other British people when I'm abroad. Well I don’t want to be associated with the lager louts and chavs that we seem to be producing at a exponential rate. :mad:

Probably, I sure as well don't want to be associated with other British people when I'm abroad. Well I don’t want to be associated with the lager louts and chavs that we seem to be producing at a exponential rate. :mad:


Thats why we need national service back!!!!

I'm English British, though I'd sooner live in Scandinavia, Netherlands or somewhere else!
Get rid of the monarchy, the aristocracy, :mp5: the nouveau riche mentaility etc, and I might feel there's more to encourage me! :)

Thats why we need national service back!!!!

While against the idea of being forced to do national service, I won't deny that it may well be the answer to some of the problems in our society.

Britain is amazing, apart from the masses of Chavs that appear, they just grow in numbers every day I swear. There's too many at footy matches aswell now, not too many Owls supporters are that bad though, I'm happy to say!

Two Owls supporters here on the board. :)

I don't think we want 500,000 alcoholic, gun-carrying soldiers marching through Birmhingham in full nike uniform wearing cheap gold jewellery. :p

Britain's great, especially France, that's a really interesting part of it.