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There is a Cold War being fought between Canada and the United States, though most outside of Canada may be unaware of it. It has been going on since 2002, and has to do with disagreements over softwood lumber tarifs under the North American Free Trade Act (NAFTA).

Even the news media uses the language of war to spell out "victories" and "final blows" between these fierce battling giants.

I wonder... is there a video game yet?

OTTAWA (CP) - Canada is claiming a major victory in the softwood lumber dispute with the U.S. following a key NAFTA panel ruling, and is demanding quick repayment of billions of dollars in penalties collected by Washington.
An extraordinary challenge panel under the North American Free Trade Agreement has dismissed American claims that an earlier NAFTA ruling in favour of Canada violated trade rules.

Canadian lumber industry spokesmen are already claiming this is the final blow that should end the dispute and are demanding quick return of the $5 billion in penalties so far paid to Washington.

But Washington quickly signalled isn't giving up the fight.

(more on link)
http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=canada_home&articleID=2001735

it's called a trade war, the cold war was about just a tiny bit more then $5bil .

Have the Canadians targeted our cities with their nuclear weapons yet?

Maybe we should send advisors, money and weapons to Quebecois separatist guerillas.

There is a Cold War being fought between Canada and the United States, though most outside of Canada may be unaware of it.

I'm pretty sure that there are plenty inside Canada that are unaware of it too.

it's called a trade war, the cold war was about just a tiny bit more then $5bil .
It's not "The Cold War", but it is a Cold War, one with no direct armed conflict.

It's not "The Cold War", but it is a Cold War, one with no direct armed conflict.

Then just about every trade dispute is a cold war then.

Hmmm how many cold wars does China have with everybody?

How many does the US?

I'm pretty sure that there are plenty inside Canada that are unaware of it too.
As far as I am aware, no canukleheads are unaware:).

I'm pretty sure that there are plenty inside Canada that are unaware of it too.
Certainly, could be! :) Unless they watch the news at night or read the newspaper.

Then just about every trade dispute is a cold war then.

Hmmm how many cold wars does China have with everybody?

How many does the US?
And not just trade wars; the term could fit a number of different conflicts. Its use is appropriate, though, I think, considering the magnitude and duration of the conflict.

No idea about China, sorry.

As far as I am aware, no canukleheads are unaware:).

I work with Canadians. Should I ask them if they're aware of what's going on? Should I ask them to call their families and ask them what's going on? Then should I ask them who Angelina Jolie is dating?

I work with Canadians. Should I ask them if they're aware of what's going on? Should I ask them to call their families and ask them what's going on? Then should I ask them who Angelina Jolie is dating?
You certainly may, if you're curious about the software lumber dispute. Is Angelina Jolie dating a NAFTA lawyer?

I work with Canadians. Should I ask them if they're aware of what's going on? Should I ask them to call their families and ask them what's going on? Then should I ask them who Angelina Jolie is dating?

Everyone I know in BC knows about it --- given that entire communities are dying because mills keep closing because of the tariffs. It would be extremely difficult for any British Columbian adult not to be aware of the softwood lumber issue. People who live further east may have the luxury of not being aware of the softwood lumber war, but not in this province.

On the other hand, I have no idea who Angelina Jolie is dating, nor do I care.

You certainly may, if you're curious about the software lumber dispute. Is Angelina Jolie dating a NAFTA lawyer?

Now are you from the U.S. or Canada? At times it's difficult to tell the difference.

Then just about every trade dispute is a cold war then.


Ironically enough, the Cod War wasn't a cold war.

You certainly may, if you're curious about the software lumber dispute. Is Angelina Jolie dating a NAFTA lawyer?
I think she's dating Brad Pit.

Ironically enough, the Cod War wasn't a cold war.
Ahh... That's the one that took place in the Grand Banks?

:)

I think she's dating Brad Pit.
Brad Pit's a NAFTA lawyer??

Okay, I'll stop. :D

Everyone I know in BC knows about it --- given that entire communities are dying because mills keep closing because of the tariffs. It would be extremely difficult for any British Columbian adult not to be aware of the softwood lumber issue. People who live further east may have the luxury of not being aware of the softwood lumber war, but not in this province.

On the other hand, I have no idea who Angelina Jolie is dating, nor do I care.

A lot of wise cracks from the Canucks, but only one post that deals with the topic at hand. Guess I was wrong.

A lot of wise cracks from the Canucks, but only one post that deals with the topic at hand.
And none from you. :)

Ahh... That's the one that took place in the Grand Banks?

:)

The one I'm talking about was between the UK and Iceland in 1975 or thereabouts - nets were cut, vessels were rammed by other ships and shots were actually fired.

There is a Cold War being fought between Canada and the United States, though most outside of Canada may be unaware of it. It has been going on since 2002, and has to do with disagreements over softwood lumber tarifs under the North American Free Trade Act (NAFTA).

Even the news media uses the language of war to spell out "victories" and "final blows" between these fierce battling giants.

I wonder... is there a video game yet?

LOL those stupid asses. The rationale for the tariff was that BC lumber in particular is subsidized. Logging complanies in BC pay a FLAT rate for harvesting trees. It is a fee set by the BC government not a subsidy. Secondly they seem to have no qualms about buying all that BC hydroelectric power and guess what?

Water rental rates even for hydroelectric generation is set by the BC governemnt too by some obscure office known as the water comptroller. BCHydro is owned by the government but pays the fee back into the general revenue account. Secondly there are a number of private hydro stations in BC. Some are HUGE like the 1000 megawatt Kemano facility owned by Alcan Aluminum, whihc gets a special rate on the water it draws through its power tunnel. Alcan also sells 1 or two hundred MW worth of that power to BCHydro's export branch known as PowerEx.

So when will they put a tariff on the electric power whizzing across the border?

Never I suppose but I'd have liked to see a surcharge on power exports equal to the dollar cost of the softwood tariff.

The amount of money that California alone owes BC for energy consumption is staggering.

As a resident of BC and a former mill employee, I stand behind any argument against the states and against the evil and utter bullshit that is known as NAFTA.

I don't even have the stomach to sit here and debate this one.

The amount of money that California alone owes BC for energy consumption is staggering.

As a resident of BC and a former mill employee, I stand behind any argument against the states and against the evil and utter bullshit that is known as NAFTA.

I don't even have the stomach to sit here and debate this one.

LOL yeah the irony is when PG&E went into chapter 11, A California judge ruled that PowerEx gouged them for the electricty sold to them. POwerEx was out some few hundred millions or so. Now here's the really stupid thing. That power was sold onto the grid at spot market prices (market determined) whihc is the model which the US desires, is it not?

Same with that Enron crap.

I say tear down the transmission lines and let em suffer.