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Who was your Fav. P.M. since WW2? (British P.M.)

I loved Margaret Thatcher! My Fav. She was just a super bold lady!

I love margeret thacher

You missed the most important one, ie, Clem Atlee?

I voted for John Major :D He's a very sensible man :p

Hope only UK residents vote though.....I can imagine lots of Americans voting for Blair :(

Hope only UK residents vote though.....I can imagine lots of Americans voting for Blair

I agree Tony Blair is just a mixed up liar, he is socially right-wing yet economically left wing, it just doesn't work, he may have made the economy better for about 5 years before he came to power, but now unemployment is rising, small business's are shutting down, fuel prices are at an all time high, inflation is rising and taxes are through the roof (although not as bad as they would be if the lib dems were in power thank god). So basically, hes had his glory, now step down, its time for another party to be in power again.

I think this will happen as it did the tories, Tony Blair is Thatcher and Gordon Brown is Major, after 2 1/2 terms tony Thatcher is losing his popularity and connat possibly win the next election, so hands over power to Gordon Major (use your imagination here) He controls for another year or so, then calls a general election, the tories are expected to win, under the leadership of David Davis, however labour just manage to get in with an overall majority of 3 or something stupid, which will not allow them to pass legislation easily, but will keep them in power. After another 5 years of economic strife the new "modernised" tories will regain power in a landslide victory, the economy will flourish for another 7-8 years and the same will happen again.

I agree Tony Blair is just a mixed up liar, he is socially right-wing yet economically left wing, it just doesn't work, he may have made the economy better for about 5 years before he came to power, but now unemployment is rising, small business's are shutting down, fuel prices are at an all time high, inflation is rising and taxes are through the roof (although not as bad as they would be if the lib dems were in power thank god). So basically, hes had his glory, now step down, its time for another party to be in power again.

I think this will happen as it did the tories, Tony Blair is Thatcher and Gordon Brown is Major, after 2 1/2 terms tony Thatcher is losing his popularity and connat possibly win the next election, so hands over power to Gordon Major (use your imagination here) He controls for another year or so, then calls a general election, the tories are expected to win, under the leadership of David Davis, however labour just manage to get in with an overall majority of 3 or something stupid, which will not allow them to pass legislation easily, but will keep them in power. After another 5 years of economic strife the new "modernised" tories will regain power in a landslide victory, the economy will flourish for another 7-8 years and the same will happen again.

Nah, it's close, but not true to life - basically, the Tories have further to come back from than the Labour Party did in '83, let alone '87. Plus, Davis is superficially appealing but thats because the tabloids are desperate for a right wing hardman. His style already grates amongst Tory MPs, and is only going to get worse, he's risen without achieving anything much of note, and is, quite frankly, an intellectual dwarf. Iron Gordon, on the other hand, is the real brains behind the Labour government, and all successes they have had (which are larger than most people realise, despite not being what i hoped for in '97) should be laid at his door. He'll make mincemeat out of Davis, he's vanquished better and more experienced politicians at the despatch box. Plus, the Brown government - unlike the Thatcher and Major, and to a large degree the Blair government - will have no issues of probity or "sleaze" to bring it down, Gordon is too much a dour son of the Scottish manse for that. I can see Cameron being the next Tory PM...in about 15 years time. They really need to get out of their current ghetto, and he's the only one (post Portillo) showing any evidence of learning from their mistakes.

I can see Cameron being the next Tory PM...in about 15 years time. They really need to get out of their current ghetto, and he's the only one (post Portillo) showing any evidence of learning from their mistakes.

Theresa May is too, but my personal favourite to win the leadership is either Liam Fox or Malcolm Rifkind, I think Rifkind needs to get back at the labour government for taking his seat in the 97 general election, and the only way to do it is in a high profile role within the tories. I also like David Davis, me and him have a lot in common, for example, we share the same views and were both brought up on council estates with single parents.

Oh and I agree that the labour government have had some success, with Brownie being the brains, but as history has taught us, thjat style of economic government cannot last for long periods of time without collapsing, and its starting to fall within the last few months, for example the family company has started losing money because of all te tax it has had put on it, and the price of diesel for the van is astonding, it is about £500 per month.

Theresa May is too, but my personal favourite to win the leadership is either Liam Fox or Malcolm Rifkind, I think Rifkind needs to get back at the labour government for taking his seat in the 97 general election, and the only way to do it is in a high profile role within the tories. I also like David Davis, me and him have a lot in common, for example, we share the same views and were both brought up on council estates with single parents.

Sadly May condemned herself to ignominy by her remarks about the nasty party - the tory masses will never elect her. Fox is seen too much as a playboy (he was the one dating wasserface, Beth from Neighbours, right?). Rifkind is a very clever man, very wet Tory, the sort they need to re-connect with, basically, because in the Thatcherite years they lost their connection with the middle ground, and the whole point of Major and post-Major is the slow falling away of Thatcher supporters when they realised they didn't get the neo-liberal promised land. Which is another reason why i don't think Davis will achieve much - Hague, Iain Drunken-Spliff and himself were all un-regenerate Thatcherites...Howard was a careerist wet who allied himself with Thatcher. And it's noticeable that the only mild revival that came about in Tory fortunes came about under the latter (whilst also - it must be noted - indulging in some of the most despicable tabloid pandering campaigning since, oooh, Blair in '97).

Oh and I agree that the labour government have had some success, with Brownie being the brains, but as history has taught us, thjat style of economic government cannot last for long periods of time without collapsing, and its starting to fall within the last few months, for example the family company has started losing money because of all te tax it has had put on it, and the price of diesel for the van is astonding, it is about £500 per month.

Marx teaches us that ALL governments under capitalism will face the same thing - Tory or Labour, Democrat or Republican. Many economists stole his clothes when they started talking about "boom and bust", but i think the French rock band Stereolab put it best when they set Marxian theory to music:-

"Bigger slumps, and bigger wars
and smaller recoveries"

Nature of the beast. Capitalism is built around boom and bust. Usually, the government in question can do little but alleviate (or, occasionally, exacerbate) the problem.

Fox is seen too much as a playboy (he was the one dating wasserface, Beth from Neighbours, right?).

WAS HE? :eek: Wasn't Beth from Neighbours Natalie Imbruglia? I can't picture that match at all...

My god, it could be true!!

He was thanked on the sleeve notes to the debut album of his friend, ex-Neighbours actress turned pop star Natalie Imbruglia.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3256191.stm

My god, it could be true!!



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3256191.stm

Yeah, i seem to recall a story about him having a group of female backpackers staying in his Paris hotel room as well. Bit of a good time guy, which if he played up would play very well with the people....

Just not very well in the Tory constituency associations ;)