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Well?

Personally, I think they have.

Well?

Personally, I think they have.

I think it's more "disregarded and forgotten about/taken for granted". Outgrown implies we no longer need it.

Well?

Personally, I think they have.

Nah, nature can still smash us with an asteroid/hurricane/volcano/flood/earthquake/tsunami/pauli shore movie at any moment.

I think it's more "disregarded and forgotten about/taken for granted". Outgrown implies we no longer need it.

What he said.

Outgrown as in need, or outgrown as in our population can no longer be supported by it?

Nothing has outgrown nature. Everything that exists must behave as nature intended it to. For instance, whenever you walk nature has it set up so that your brain send signals to your muscules in your legs and your legs are restricted to amount of space they can move, how they can move, where they can move, and how fast they can move. Therefore EVERYTHING that we do, even think, is restricted by nature in some way, shape, or form. That brings up the question of are we just slaves to nature? Some chemical reaction that's not actually sentient but just reacting to nature?

Humans are part of nature. So no.

Just hope that nature doesn't outgrow us....

I'm not talking about the nature around us, but the primal human nature.

I'm not talking about the nature around us, but the primal human nature.

Ah. Nope. Much as people like to think, we're still animals, and still slaves to our base instincts.

Ah. Nope. Much as people like to think, we're still animals, and still slaves to our base instincts.
Why are we the slave and not the master?

We can control our anger and our love

Mankind will never outgrow nature,we're a part of it.unless we,in the distant future,colonise space and live in an entirely artificial enviroment with no plants or animals then we may have outgrown our need for nature.maybe.

Mankind will never outgrow nature,we're a part of it.unless we,in the distant future,colonise space and live in an entirely artificial enviroment with no plants or animals then we may have outgrown our need for nature.maybe.

I think we "outgrew" nature in the sense that we beat evolution with our minds after all we were supposed to die out in the dessert but we used are brains and finally found out it would be a good idea to store water

Mankind will never outgrow nature,we're a part of it.unless we,in the distant future,colonise space and live in an entirely artificial enviroment with no plants or animals then we may have outgrown our need for nature.maybe.

Why are we the slave and not the master?

We can control our anger and our love

To a degree, we can. I've trained myself to be able to surpress my emotions, if there's an absolute need, to the point where it seems like they're turned off, but I will never have complete control. Instincts are far, far harder to learn to control. You can train yourself to develop them, but not necessarily surpress them. Emotions make us human, and help guide our more primitive instincts, for better or worse.

We have a deepseated need to preserve our well being, to procreate, and to seek out pleasantness. We live in a hostile universe, and unless we somehow eliminate every single possible threat to us, we'll still retain our survival instincts, and with that, various other ones as well. However, if we were to somehow accomplish this..we'd stagnate, we'd have no need to improve, no need to grow and evolve, I think.

I realize I kinda ranted a bit, but does that help answer the question?

You can overcome any basic drive, given a strong enough sense of purpose. Hunger, thirst or need for sleep disappear if something more important intervenes. Most of us don't experience this too often though.

You can overcome any basic drive, given a strong enough sense of purpose. Hunger, thirst or need for sleep disappear if something more important intervenes. Most of us don't experience this too often though.
Aha! We can.

It is because we are horrible spoiled that we don't need to (often)

I think we "outgrew" nature in the sense that we beat evolution with our minds after all we were supposed to die out in the dessert but we used are brains and finally found out it would be a good idea to store water
Evolution doesn't make plans. It just says that whatever species does best survives. Our brains have evolved to the point that makes us stronger survivors. You can't "beat" evolution because it's not competing.

Evolution doesn't make plans. It just says that whatever species does best survives. Our brains have evolved to the point that makes us stronger survivors. You can't "beat" evolution because it's not competing.
If there is no more need to evolve because we can beat everything, haven't we beaten evolution?

Well?

Personally, I think they have.


What did that vacation do to you LP? :confused: Kind of a deep question.

I think it's too ingrained. Maybe not as noticeable...but it's still there.

Also, as far as us being able to "control" our instincts:

you can train a dog not to shit on the floor or not to bite. Christ, people train tigers to roll around on little balls. But they are still dogs. I think the whole nature/culture divide that we are all making here is backward thinking.

What did that vacation do to you LP? :confused: Kind of a deep question.
Hey I can be deep. If I want to. People may not expect it of me in here though.

And we just drank beer and chatted. Nothing out of the ordinary. Except that the bottles were too small

If there is no more need to evolve because we can beat everything, haven't we beaten evolution?
Who says we beat everything? Viruses and bacteria kill us all the time. So do tsunamis and earthquakes and cancer and sharks. Try and get rid of fire ants over a couple of acres some time. You can push them back some but you can't take them out.

Who says we beat everything? Viruses and bacteria kill us all the time. So do tsunamis and earthquakes and cancer and sharks. Try and get rid of fire ants over a couple of acres some time. You can push them back some but you can't take them out.
But we can wear boots, build boats, create and vaccines, build strong houses up the hills.......

Of course we haven't outgrown human nature! Such a thing is impossible if we are to continue living. We can suppress our emotions and "control" our actions as much as we want, but that's only enacting a different part of our nature, not outgrowing it! It is our nature to want control, to think that we are superior, to think that we have control of our every action. If you think that you have outgrown your nature, then it is your nature to think such.

And we haven't "beaten" evolution, either. So long as some sperm swim in circles, we will never stop evolving.

But we can wear boots, build boats, create and vaccines, build strong houses up the hills.......
We can do lots of things. We probably have more power over the world than any organism ever has. But that doesn't mean we are all powerful and have no reason for evolution.

Not to mention, we still have each other to compete with.

We can do lots of things. We probably have more power over the world than any organism ever has. But that doesn't mean we are all powerful and have no reason for evolution.

Not to mention, we still have each other to compete with.
But we don't do it through being the better food gatherer, being the more attractive (fe)male, etc.

Of course we haven't outgrown human nature! Such a thing is impossible if we are to continue living. We can suppress our emotions and "control" our actions as much as we want, but that's only enacting a different part of our nature, not outgrowing it! It is our nature to want control, to think that we are superior, to think that we have control of our every action. If you think that you have outgrown your nature, then it is your nature to think such.

And we haven't "beaten" evolution, either. So long as some sperm swim in circles, we will never stop evolving.
Errr.... didn't humans live in harmony with nature for....like.....ages? :confused:

But we don't do it through being the better food gatherer, being the more attractive (fe)male, etc.
Well no, our goals change.

I see the changing of human consciousness as part of evolution, not seperate from it. Our consciousness is changing because our reality is changing, and those able to evolve in the way they think will move on, while those who don't will fall by the wayside. Of course, our bodies are changing too, but that takes longer. Men are taller and more muscular than we used to be, for one thing.

Errr.... didn't humans live in harmony with nature for....like.....ages? :confused:
False notion. Nature isn't harmonius. It's dynamic and chaotic and everything changes everything else.

False notion. Nature isn't harmonius. It's dynamic and chaotic and everything changes everything else.
Harmonious in a dynatic kind of way of course.

Good point about the consciousness though. But our bodies are getting "better" through better food (which nature hardly provides) and better medicine (see food)

But we can wear boots, build boats, create and vaccines, build strong houses up the hills.......


Legless Pirates can wear boots? :confused: really? :eek: