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Recently in Australia after two 'Housemates' engaged in what appeared to be an actual penetration during a sex act the censors went wild. Church groups called for the shwo to be banned and family advocacy groups seized the day claiming children as young as 9 were watching the show.

But here's a thought. "What in God's name is your 9yo child doing up at 9:30, on school night, watching an MA program, where the warnings include nudity, drug use, frequent course language, medium level sex scenes, sexual references, etc & a program that you feel is smut?!"

Yes, Big Brother is filthy smut. That's why I don't watch it. Wait... did I just excercise free choice? You should try it. It's also called parenting. If you cannot either moniter your child's vewing or trust them to make responsable decisions then remove your TV from their access.

The entire world cannot be covered in bubblewrap because you're a bad parent. Parents around the world need to to take responsablity and not palm off their duties to lawmakers.

Here's a comic that goes along my lines:

http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=576

I think the biggest thing here is one group of people wanting to dictate what others watch. But I agree parents should supervise what their children watch, though I do agree with rating shows. makes choosing shows to test out for your child so much easier.

Opening to Discovery's (or A&E's) series about real-life gangster stories, it is narrorated by some guy form the Sopranos.

He says at the end of the warning "..but no one is holding a gun to your head are they?"

I think the biggest thing here is one group of people wanting to dictate what others watch. But I agree parents should supervise what their children watch, though I do agree with rating shows. makes choosing shows to test out for your child so much easier.
Ratings are essential in television as there is no time or way to preveiw a program to determine suitablity.

after checking the rating I will watch a few episodes without my daughter seeing it to be certain of suitability if there is going to be a question. And I always watch several episodes with her before allowing her to watch on her own (though I'm never far away). It is possible to pre-screen tv shows if you are willing to juggle. the VCR can be set to record and ya can watch it at night while they are asleep *may favorite way of screening as it doesn't eat up my time with her* And later, if the show is deemed acceptable, they can watch missed shows from the videotape.

Ok so I'm a very protective mother, but I know what my kid watches at my house *have no control over what she sees when being babysat or at a daycare center, but absolutely no help for that*. And yes I thought long and hard on how to preview shows to determine suitability. Trust me the ratings are helpful, but no true indicator on what I as a mother will find suitable for my daughter.

Children are tougher then you think, they can take it. It is ultamatly the responsibility of the family (parants) to to take care of it's children. Its not like they don't already poccess the technoligy to do so (v chip anyone). Anyway, if a 30 minute to one hour tv show can turn an otherwise healthy person into a drug user, slut, satanist or mass murder, then what does that say about the strength of the current culture (or the Christain subculture that most of these parants belong to) :rolleyes: ;) :D

Oh the Horrors....Children are watching vague and indistict sex acts on broadcast television?!?


They should be out leafing through girlie magazines in the barn like we did when we were kids.....

Even if parents do take notice of program info, what they deem suitable for their children is still subjective.

If we as a society seriously don't want children to watch sexually and violently explicit material we must make it illegal for a minor to be exposed to it.

Oh the Horrors....Children are watching vague and indistict sex acts on broadcast television?!?


They should be out leafing through girlie magazines in the barn like we did when we were kids.....


Ah yes....we had a stash of porno mags hidden about the neighborhood as well.

All I can say is, "Thanks Larry Flynt, for helping me through my formative years."

Even if parents do take notice of program info, what they deem suitable for their children is still subjective.

If we as a society seriously don't want children to watch sexually and violently explicit material we must make it illegal for a minor to be exposed to it.


Bugger that.

Having parents raise their children, instead of a T.V is a good thing, but you cant make it illegal for children to view such things, especially on a major TV network.
Its the parents responsibilty to know what thier children are watching, not the network's.

I've never understood why it's so wrong to expose kids to sex anyway. Well, obviously unless it's actually involving their participation. But there's nothing wrong with seeing it on TV, heck, or even in reality. What the hell's going to happen? Will their eyes explode? Will they try to join in? Most kids'll simply point and laugh if nothing else. I saw sex on TV several times when I was a kid, and it didn't do me any harm.

*Whips his slave as she tries to stand up*

I'm perfectly normal.

Sex is just plain wrong. Children under 18... no 21! should never, ever be exposed to anything sexual. I mean, shooting people and robbing their cars happens naturally. We need that for survival. But sex? Pff. Something absolutely unnatural that our children need to be protected from.

Sarcasm aside, many countries just have a whack rating system, putting emphasis on the wrong things. I never did understand WHAT was so bad about sex anyway. I mean, no one's getting hurt (well... technically at least... but you know what I mean), everyone's happy, and it's completely natural. Whereas jumping on enemy's heads as Mario (no matter how abstract the enemies are) as a method of solving problems seems to bother no one. Of course, Mario is harmless, but other games aren't. Especially the "realistic" ones, in which you still go around shooting anything with two legs. That doesn't bother any censor at all. As long as it's not "too brutal", which is really irrelevant once you convey "shooting people solves your problems" to your children.

So it all comes down to parenting and teaching your kid the difference between right and wrong so that he doesn't turn into some whacko.

Makes me glad that they're not going to do any more Big Brother in Germany... I've pretty much completely stopped watching anything on the channel that runs it...

I don't see what's the big deal, my father bought me 'Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut' when I was 7. I turned out okay =).

I don't see what's the big deal, my father bought me 'Cartman's Mom is a Dirty Slut' when I was 7. I turned out okay =).

I've seen your picture. You turned out a whole lot better than okay! ;)

That's funny, isn't that what housemates sometimes do?

I watched Robocop and Terminator when I was 6, robocop 2 when i was seven. My parents didnt want to let me, but thats the power of nagging. Please observe, im not hugely screwed up (just to a reasonable degree). Plus i watched 'debbie does dallas' when i was about 10.

Here's a comic that goes along my lines:

http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=576
Loved it! :)

I find it kind of amusing that these "concerned parents" wouldn't dream of protesting against the screening of a good, wholesome horror movie at 9 pm or later...

... I watched 'debbie does dallas' when i was about 10.
You WHAT? At what age? OMG! LOL! I hope it wasn't with the approval of your parents! Sheesh!

Censorship is out of control

I agree with that. If you can not be a parent and be there for your kids and teach them right from wrong then you need to be watched by a nanny or your parents so they can teach you whats right or wrong. And if you think your old enough then grow up and take responiblity yourself and your kids.

You WHAT? At what age? OMG! LOL! I hope it wasn't with the approval of your parents! Sheesh!
Now now, how do you know what that movie is :(

You WHAT? At what age? OMG! LOL! I hope it wasn't with the approval of your parents! Sheesh!

Well, duh. It was a little bit embarrasing when they found out. At that time, i didnt know how to delete the various viewing histories on my computer. Besides, DDD is a great film!

Well, duh. It was a little bit embarrasing when they found out. At that time, i didnt know how to delete the various viewing histories on my computer. Besides, DDD is a great film!
Yes, it is, but not for ten year olds! :p

Now now, how do you know what that movie is :(
[ conducts review of basic math for CSW ] Now, if we add one and one, we always get two. Got that? Ok, let's continue then. :D

[ conducts review of basic math for CSW ] Now, if we add one and one, we always get two. Got that? Ok, let's continue then. :DShows how uneducated you are :rolleyes: Basic Orwellian math: 2 + 2 = 5 :p

Shows how uneducated you are :rolleyes: Basic Orwellian math: 2 + 2 = 5 :p
What ...



... EVER! :rolleyes:

Yes, it is, but not for ten year olds! :p

Why? I watched it when i was ten, and i havent become a major screw up because of it. I understood what they were doing, and i just happened to enjoy watching it.

Well, can't they just bump it up an hour or two? 10:30 PM or 11:00 PM with suitable warnings should be fine.

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Be happy you aren't in the US. Our groups freak out at a solitary boob. It is all chickenshit to me.

Be happy you aren't in the US. Our groups freak out at a solitary boob. It is all chickenshit to me.

WOO! A SOLITARY BOOB! Dude, youve made my day.

Shows how uneducated you are :rolleyes: Basic Orwellian math: 2 + 2 = 5 :p

I won't comment on the education of either one of you, but it does demonstrate conclusively how uninformed you BOTH are. Apparently, neither of you are aware of the fact that Basic Orwellian Math was recently absorbed in full into Advanced Dubya Function Integration! Within the mathematical protocols of Advanced Dubya Function Integration, 1 + 1 = 0! It even has a mathematical proof:

W + w = 0 :p :fluffle: :confused: ?

Everything is so political these days. :D

Makes me glad that they're not going to do any more Big Brother in Germany... I've pretty much completely stopped watching anything on the channel that runs it...
Welcome in happy LaLa-Land, where wishes come true.
Its even worse! Yes, they are not going to make a new season of Big Brother. And yes, they are going to continue the running one without a set end, with new people coming in now and then and old ones leaving. :eek:

Why? I watched it when i was ten, and i havent become a major screw up because of it. I understood what they were doing, and i just happened to enjoy watching it.You've only had about 50 posts by now. That's too early for us to come to a conclusion whether you're messed up... ;)

Welcome in happy LaLa-Land, where wishes come true.
Its even worse! Yes, they are not going to make a new season of Big Brother. And yes, they are going to continue the running one without a set end, with new people coming in now and then and old ones leaving. :eek:I wouldn't know. I haven't watched RTL 2 since... I think I watched some on Saturday morning because the Godzilla movie was the only thing worth watching (sad, isn't it ;)). I don't watch their sorry excuse for a news program, so there isn't anything that would tell me that they aren't going to stop.

You've only had about 50 posts by now. That's too early for us to come to a conclusion whether you're messed up... ;)

Take my word for it, although the last guy who did died. (J/k, j/k!)

Porn does not belong on TV for the viewing public. If you must have it subscribe to a service. While for the most part I agree it is the parent's responsiblity to monitor the kids viewing habits but sex should never be allowed on regular noncable stations. Its different in other countries of course but porn isnt allowed on US television (at least on noncable stations). Why would someone think its okay for a child to watch copulation-if you think its so great why not invite them into your bedroom and watch you and your spouse? This is what childhood is for -innocence. I refuse to let my kids watch violent TV, hell even I dont-its stupid and rubbish as far as Im concerned. Im appalled that a father would think its okay for a child to watch something with a dirty slut in the title. Thats sick! All you porno heads can go subscribe or rent your smut but it has no business on regular TV. Censorship has not gone too far but we do need to keep it in check.

Im appalled that a father would think its okay for a child to watch something with a dirty slut in the title. Thats sick!
I think you are reffering to "Cartman's mom is a dirty slut" which was mentioned earlier. That is an episode of South Park, and there is no nudity in it.

after checking the rating I will watch a few episodes without my daughter seeing it to be certain of suitability if there is going to be a question. And I always watch several episodes with her before allowing her to watch on her own (though I'm never far away). It is possible to pre-screen tv shows if you are willing to juggle. the VCR can be set to record and ya can watch it at night while they are asleep *may favorite way of screening as it doesn't eat up my time with her* And later, if the show is deemed acceptable, they can watch missed shows from the videotape.

Ok so I'm a very protective mother, but I know what my kid watches at my house *have no control over what she sees when being babysat or at a daycare center, but absolutely no help for that*. And yes I thought long and hard on how to preview shows to determine suitability. Trust me the ratings are helpful, but no true indicator on what I as a mother will find suitable for my daughter.
Congradulations. In all seriousness I would like to applaud a mother as dedicated as yourself. If and when I have children I might even try this approach.

Guys...honestly...

Can't we just let kids grow up?

It is actually effective Rotovia.

But where I think it's the parent's responisbility to know what their children are watching. I still feel that porn should be a subscribe only. When I worked for the Cable company I was always getting complaints from older viewers who were flipping through the channels and came across pornography. That should be something you have the choice of viewing, not that you find on 12 different channels as you are flipping through expanded basic cable. *has had it happen to her at night on several occasions* I don't think censorship should be as big a deal, but I don't think I should have to pay an outrageous amount of money to keep porn off of my tv set either.... And a lot of older people have agreed with me *trust me I've heard the rants for hours*. For people on a limited budget it can be a real hassle.

It is actually effective Rotovia.

But where I think it's the parent's responisbility to know what their children are watching. I still feel that porn should be a subscribe only. When I worked for the Cable company I was always getting complaints from older viewers who were flipping through the channels and came across pornography. That should be something you have the choice of viewing, not that you find on 12 different channels as you are flipping through expanded basic cable. *has had it happen to her at night on several occasions* I don't think censorship should be as big a deal, but I don't think I should have to pay an outrageous amount of money to keep porn off of my tv set either.... And a lot of older people have agreed with me *trust me I've heard the rants for hours*. For people on a limited budget it can be a real hassle.
Just to be clear, I was in no way being sarcastic. You are the exact opposite of the parent I was complaining about and the exact model of the one I would like to see rasing tommorows leaders.

But you are right, I myself have had this problem when flicking over to Showtime after 10pm expecting to find some quater way decent movies, only to be assaulted with high level softcore porn.

I used to babysit quite alot, so I find the parental lock option on the remote helpful for chanels I know to contain inappropriate material. But unfortunately on cable tv, I've found it hard to predict. Which again is more cause for parents to follow your example, rather than hoping lawmakers or network producers will do it for them.

Ya know, if they're worried about this stuff, they could just join the FLDS.
Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints. I mean, they get many wives, they get to beat their kids as much as they want, and they ain't allowed to have TVs or computers or listen to popular music...

Just let all the Nazi wannabes join that. I think they are over in Utah and northern Arizona.

Rotovia, I agree with you wholeheartedly. If your children are still watching television after 8pm without prescreening, then you are choosing to let the networks decide for you what is appropropriate material. If I had kids, they'd have four choices--

1. Read
2. Watch a household-approved DVD
3. Play a game with the family
4. If you don't like your choices, lights out

Don't expect television execs to care about your kids the way that you do.
Better yet, find something else to do as a family and give up on the glass teat altogether.

If parents don't give guidelines for their children to follow on what to watch, then it's not the fault of the TV channel for showing something the child should not have seen. Personally, I think the censorship in the US has gotten ridiculous, it almost seems like anything midly suggestive is shot down. Yet, you can have violence on TV, the only limit is seeing someone getting shot or lots of blood and gore.

I grew up watching violent movies, Hellraiser when I was 4 years old, Terminator, when I was 5, etc. It wasn't until I was 10 or 11, that I was exposed to porn(on my own) I knew what was going on and I thought it was interesting. It's not like I turned out to be some crazy pedophile because I happened to watch porn at young age, but in reality I turned out to be a normal person.

Oh well.....

It seems this thread is split between people who think parents should be more responsible and people who see no reason why kids shouldn't be seeing sex anyways. So let me ask very directly:

Why exactly is it bad for a kid to see sex?

Recently in Australia after two 'Housemates' engaged in what appeared to be an actual penetration during a sex act the censors went wild. Church groups called for the shwo to be banned and family advocacy groups seized the day claiming children as young as 9 were watching the show.

But here's a thought. "What in God's name is your 9yo child doing up at 9:30, on school night, watching an MA program, where the warnings include nudity, drug use, frequent course language, medium level sex scenes, sexual references, etc & a program that you feel is smut?!"

Yes, Big Brother is filthy smut. That's why I don't watch it. Wait... did I just excercise free choice? You should try it. It's also called parenting. If you cannot either moniter your child's vewing or trust them to make responsable decisions then remove your TV from their access.

The entire world cannot be covered in bubblewrap because you're a bad parent. Parents around the world need to to take responsablity and not palm off their duties to lawmakers.

Here's a comic that goes along my lines:

http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=576
BAn the Show!

Bring back the days when Films on TV were edited of swearing and violence so they made little to no sense!

Bleeping of swearing in movies is so funny.

It seems this thread is split between people who think parents should be more responsible and people who see no reason why kids shouldn't be seeing sex anyways. So let me ask very directly:

Why exactly is it bad for a kid to see sex?

They'll be traumatised for life

Duh!

Im appalled that a father would think its okay for a child to watch something with a dirty slut in the title. Thats sick!

That's my dad! Well yeah, I think it was directed at my mother, which is really strange because he was the one who slept around. Needless to say, my mother was not happy with him.

I actually didn't understand it. I was only seven, and apparently I was really, really stupid back then. And I'm not talking about stupid in a naive/funny kind of way, I really mean I was dim. I'm better now (hopefully)!

It seems this thread is split between people who think parents should be more responsible and people who see no reason why kids shouldn't be seeing sex anyways. So let me ask very directly:

Why exactly is it bad for a kid to see sex?

Because they're too young to fully understand the situation.they could see sex on tv or elsewhere and come away with the wrong idea and grow up with that same wrong idea.if a child's first experience of sex was watching some BDSM(or worse) movie chances are they'd walk away thinking that was how things were done,they might go into school the next day and start whipping the girl/boy they have a crush on.but that's probably an exaggeration.now that i think of it has there ever been a study on the effects on children of seeing sex at a young age?

if a child's first experience of sex was watching some BDSM(or worse) movie chances are they'd walk away thinking that was how things were done,they might go into school the next day and start whipping the girl/boy they have a crush on.but that's probably an exaggeration.

Indeed it is an exaggeration; and the fact that you have to exxagerate to find a problem with it is evidence that there really isn't any problem with it.

now that i think of it has there ever been a study on the effects on children of seeing sex at a young age?

In today's political climate, they'd probably jail the studiers!

Recently in Australia after two 'Housemates' engaged in what appeared to be an actual penetration during a sex act the censors went wild. Church groups called for the shwo to be banned and family advocacy groups seized the day claiming children as young as 9 were watching the show.

But here's a thought. "What in God's name is your 9yo child doing up at 9:30, on school night, watching an MA program, where the warnings include nudity, drug use, frequent course language, medium level sex scenes, sexual references, etc & a program that you feel is smut?!"

Yes, Big Brother is filthy smut. That's why I don't watch it. Wait... did I just excercise free choice? You should try it. It's also called parenting. If you cannot either moniter your child's vewing or trust them to make responsable decisions then remove your TV from their access.

The entire world cannot be covered in bubblewrap because you're a bad parent. Parents around the world need to to take responsablity and not palm off their duties to lawmakers.

Here's a comic that goes along my lines:

http://www.biggercheese.com/index.php?comic=576


Bravo!!! I have 3 teenagers and I consider it MY responsibility to monitor their lives including their television viewing. A few years back there was a housefire started by a 6yr old playing with a lighter and his mother got on the news and blamed an MTV show called Beavis and Butthead:

1. The show aired at midnight - what the heck was your 6yr old doing up?
2. Why did you leave a lighter where your 6yr old could access it?
3. Why in the past 6yrs have you taught your child NOTHING about fire safety?

Of course I do appreciate the stations who have "family" safe shows airing at 8-9 pm because it allows us all to enjoy a show together. But if that were not available we could easily rent a video or play a board game together :)