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Joe McCarthy. I'd say, the worst politician in American history. (I can't think of any worse right now, RIGHT NOW no one else comes to mind) The whole attitude of the 50's makes my soul vomit a little bit each time it's mentioned.

I think it's highly improper to talk about assassinating anyone, even a politician.










But... since you started it... Fred Grandy.

Ok ok, not assassinate, get a severe injury through no falt of anyone except themselves and be completely unable to do the political job they intend to do. I would choose Joe McCarthy.

Dont get me started.

I can list 50 names off the top of my head.

The politician i would like to see gone is Jeb Bush , if for no other reason then to never see another Bush in the White House, as well as his unbelievable behaviour regarding the Terry Schiavo case.

Joe McCarthy. I'd say, the worst politician in American history. (I can't think of any worse right now, RIGHT NOW no one else comes to mind) The whole attitude of the 50's makes my soul vomit a little bit each time it's mentioned.
McCarthy exposed scores of KGB operatives, anarchists and communists within our government, Hollywood and wherever he could find them.... Gallup polls in the 1950's showed that less than 1% of Americans were concerned with "witch-hunting" or anti-Communist hysteria." McCarthy was, and still is, demonized becaused he exposed the establishment. There never was a "witch-hunt", pure myth.
More McCarthyism: Ethel & Julius,liberal icons,were convicted of spying for the Soviets and were executed. In 1997, old Soviet Union KGB de-classified files ("Venona transcripts"), revealed that Ethel and Julius gave atomic secrets and were in fact KGB spies. By the way, McCarthy discovered the Rosenbergs.
He was an asshole, but not the worst politician ever. I don't believe in assassination. If anything, the people should take up open and armed rebellion if they don't like the government, for it is their duty to overthrow if the government becomes oppressive. Now that we're on the topic of assassination, I would have liked Roger Taney to have never entered the political arena. In my opinion, he's the worst politician ever, not McCarthy.

He was an asshole, but not the worst politician ever. I don't believe in assassination. If anything, the people should take up open and armed rebellion if they don't like the government, for it is their duty to overthrow if the government becomes oppressive. Now that we're on the topic of assassination, I would have liked Roger Taney to have never entered the political arena. In my opinion, he's the worst politician ever, not McCarthy.

I would like to know where that quote was from. I could find a quote that proclaims that Hitler is a Saint and the Holocaust never existed, but it'll probably be from a Neo-Nazi website.

Now that we're on the topic of assassination, I would have liked Roger Taney to have never entered the political arena. In my opinion, he's the worst politician ever, not McCarthy.
Um ... who is ( or was ) Roger Taney, if I'm not being too inquisitive?

I think it's highly improper to talk about assassinating anyone, even a politician.










But... since you started it... Fred Grandy.


Gopher, from Love Boat?

For me: Hillary Clinton.

For me: Hillary Clinton.

Do you know something I don't?

'Hilary Clinton should have been assassinated before he got into politics?'

For me: Hillary Clinton.

Oh F-ing please. She really scares you that much? I mean, of you're so intent upon commie hunting, shouldn't you at least reference Eugene Debs or something?

Still dunno why Hillary scares conservatives so much...probably because she's a woman who has a chance to win.

Ooooh, look behind you, it's Hillary!

Do you know something I don't?

'Hilary Clinton should have been assassinated before he got into politics?'

Hahaha! I actually ment which person, since I didn't ask which male politican should be assassinated, but you already knew that, right?

Hahaha! I actually ment which person, since I didn't ask which male politican should be assassinated, but you already knew that, right?

What, specifically, is it about Mrs Clinton that frightens you more than the many politicians in America's history who have a definite history of rascism, malfeasance, corruption and extremism?

Sounds like hand-fed poppycock to me.

What, specifically, is it about Mrs Clinton that frightens you more than the many politicians in America's history who have a definite history of rascism, malfeasance, corruption and extremism?

Sounds like hand-fed poppycock to me.

Um, why are you quoting me, I'm the Joe McCarthy guy...

Oh F-ing please. She really scares you that much? I mean, of you're so intent upon commie hunting, shouldn't you at least reference Eugene Debs or something?

Still dunno why Hillary scares conservatives so much...probably because she's a woman who has a chance to win.

Ooooh, look behind you, it's Hillary!

Yes she scares me that much. No I'm not scared because shes a woman. I'm scared because shes a bitch who will do anything to get what she wants. She won't care who she screws over. Shes an extreme liberal. I can stand some liberal, but shes just too liberal. She also works for the New World Order, or NWO.

Do you know something I don't?

'Hilary Clinton should have been assassinated before he got into politics?'

Well you know, there are rumors that shes gotten a sex change operation. ;)

Yes she scares me that much. No I'm not scared because shes a woman. I'm scared because shes a bitch who will do anything to get what she wants. She won't care who she screws over. Shes an extreme liberal. I can stand some liberal, but shes just too liberal. She also works for the New World Order, or NWO.

Right. Evidence?

Yes she scares me that much. No I'm not scared because shes a woman. I'm scared because shes a bitch who will do anything to get what she wants. She won't care who she screws over.
You just described every politician.

Gopher, from Love Boat?

That was his cover, yes.

You just described every politician.

Apart from the 'she's a woman bit', I presume?

Apart from the 'she's a woman bit', I presume?
Yes, well unless there's something I'm not seeing.

I'd have liked to see Jimmy Carter go right into humanitarian work and stay out of politics.

Right. Evidence?

Well, she hates violence in video games, but yet advocate abortions. She hates the militatry and if shes elected in 2008, she will cut the militatry pay. She is just too extreme for my taste. As for the New World Order. I think the famous Ed Warrens has said it best. "For the believers, no evidence is needed. For a non-believer, no evidence is ever good enough."

As for not liking women President. I would vote for Laura Bush in a heart beat if she ran for President. She seems more pleasent than Hillary.

Well, she hates violence in video games, but yet advocate abortions. She hates the militatry and if shes elected in 2008, she will cut the militatry pay. She is just too extreme for my taste. As for the New World Order. I think the famous Ed Warrens has said it best. "For the believers, no evidence is needed. For a non-believer, no evidence is ever good enough."
So, in other words, you have jack didly squat.

Well, she hates violence in video games, but yet advocate abortions. She hates the militatry and if shes elected in 2008, she will cut the militatry pay. She is just too extreme for my taste. As for the New World Order. I think the famous Ed Warrens has said it best. "For the believers, no evidence is needed. For a non-believer, no evidence is ever good enough."

Ah, she hates the military. And which conservative pundit told you this?

So, in other words, you have jack didly squat.

No in other words, no matter what evidence I give you of the NWO, you won't believe me, so why bother.

Ah, she hates the military. And which conservative pundit told you this?

Actually its from the Clintons budget. Bill Clinton slashed the Militatry budget, so why would she do any diffrent?

No in other words, no matter what evidence I give you of the NWO, you won't believe me, so why bother.
Try me.

Actually its from the Clintons budget. Bill Clinton slashed the Militatry budget, so why would she do any diffrent?

Yes, they are the same, two in one! Bill wasn't lying when he said he didn't have sexual relations with that woman, it was actually HILLARY!!

Oh F-ing please. She really scares you that much? I mean, of you're so intent upon commie hunting, shouldn't you at least reference Eugene Debs or something?

Still dunno why Hillary scares conservatives so much...probably because she's a woman who has a chance to win.

Ooooh, look behind you, it's Hillary!



Stop being so myopic and take a look at her ideologies. Clearly socialist.

Stop being so myopic and take a look at her ideologies. Clearly socialist.

Good!

Try me.

Ok

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/

http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm

Just some of the hundreds site on the NWO.

Good!


Not her heathen, secular kind of socialism.

Actually its from the Clintons budget. Bill Clinton slashed the Militatry budget, so why would she do any diffrent?

So, you would have preferred that we keep spending as much as we did during the cold war? Also, remember that Dick Cheney himself supported reducing the Military budget before Clinton's presidency. The idea was to make the Military "smaller, faster cheaper," a formation much more suited to a world without an opposing superpower.

Ah, but you don't care about facts.

I support reducing the military budget to this day, not because I hate the military, but because it's probably the most pork-laden/bloated contract/inefficiently funded (they still overspend ridiculously on common tools,) portion of the budget.

More money needs to be spent on the men and women, not on lining the pockets of contractors.

Not her heathen, secular kind of socialism.

To be completely honest, I don't anything about her policy. Sooooo.... What is it?

So, you would have preferred that we keep spending as much as we did during the cold war? Also, remember that Dick Cheney himself supported reducing the Military budget before Clinton's presidency. The idea was to make the Military "smaller, faster cheaper," a formation much more suited to a world without an opposing superpower.

Ah, but you don't care about facts.

I support reducing the military budget to this day, not because I hate the military, but because it's probably the most pork-laden/bloated contract/inefficiently funded (they still overspend ridiculously on common tools,) portion of the budget.

More money needs to be spent on the men and women, not on lining the pockets of contractors.


Clinton didn't advocate a reformation of military tactics and philosophy, he just slashed budgets for the sake of it. Cheney did so to edify the concept of a small, agile military, however, Clinton? Nope.

So, you would have preferred that we keep spending as much as we did during the cold war? Also, remember that Dick Cheney himself supported reducing the Military budget before Clinton's presidency. The idea was to make the Military "smaller, faster cheaper," a formation much more suited to a world without an opposing superpower.

Ah, but you don't care about facts.

I support reducing the military budget to this day, not because I hate the military, but because it's probably the most pork-laden/bloated contract/inefficiently funded (they still overspend ridiculously on common tools,) portion of the budget.

More money needs to be spent on the men and women, not on lining the pockets of contractors.


Yea you keep thinking that. Just go back to sleep and hit the snooze button. I'm sure theres no terrorist or militatry power thats going to try to take on USA.

To be completely honest, I don't anything about her policy. Sooooo.... What is it?



Try looking up "it takes a village" on altavista or google.

Ok

http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/

http://www.jeremiahproject.com/newworldorder/

http://www.threeworldwars.com/new-world-order.htm

Just some of the hundreds site on the NWO.
You're right, that didn't help.

Yea you keep thinking that. Just go back to sleep and hit the snooze button. I'm sure theres no terrorist or militatry power thats going to try to take on USA.

Sure "terrorists" want to take us down. Even more so thanks to Bush. But can you name a military power that could even scratch us? You realize that we spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined? Now, unless we're making sure we can win unless the rest of the world sides agaisnt us, that's a pretty clear indication that waste is rampant...and it's even more so thanks to Bush.

Over $8 billion missing ring a bell?

So, support our men, stop our government from cheating them.

Sure "terrorists" want to take us down. Even more so thanks to Bush. But can you name a military power that could even scratch us? You realize that we spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined? Now, unless we're making sure we can win unless the rest of the world sides agaisnt us, that's a pretty clear indication that waste is rampant...and it's even more so thanks to Bush.

Over $8 billion missing ring a bell?

So, support our men, stop our government from cheating them.

So I should stop the government from cheating them out of equipments, pay, medical insurance, and protection, by opposing budget cuts? Ok, will do!

Clinton didn't advocate a reformation of military tactics and philosophy, he just slashed budgets for the sake of it. Cheney did so to edify the concept of a small, agile military, however, Clinton? Nope.

Ah, so they advocated doing the same things, yet Clinton was just slashing indiscriminantly (balancing the budget in the process and even getting us a surplus,) yet Cheney's identical projects for phasing out was well considered?

What a joke. Blind partisan claptrap.

You're right, that didn't help.

Told ya. "For a believer no evidence is neeeded. For a non-believer, no evidence is good enough. ~ Ed Warrens

So I should stop the government from cheating them out of equipments, pay, medical insurance, and protection, by opposing budget cuts? Ok, will do!

Whose budget failed to properly equip our men for the current war, even though more and more money was pumped in?

Damn spend and spend Republicans. Why don't they learn some fiscal responsibility?

Because that would take effort Gymoor.

I'm caught between the George Bush Jr and Jeb Bush. Not to assasinate of course, just to turn them to something other then politics. Though given a choice I suppose I would have to choose Jr.

And I have to agree our military definitly needs to learn to budget better. Well, our entire government does. Anyone remember the fiasco where some genius imported tile and spent thousands of dollars on an hole in the ground outhouse that didn't even have plumbing? No one in their right mind is saying take away our military power, but what would help the economy and help us is if the military and government as a whole would use discount stores, wholesalers, heck even Wal-Mart for commen sense items. There is no reason that 4 or 5 times the cost you or I should pay for an item should be paid by our government and military. (Paper, pens, paperclips and such are costing the taxpayers way to much because of these contractors)

Caligula

Whose budget failed to properly equip our men for the current war, even though more and more money was pumped in?

Damn spend and spend Republicans. Why don't they learn some fiscal responsibility?

Hey thats just Bush, and hes a Neo-Con. I'm from the old school Conserative, the one with fiscal responsibility. And you know Democrats has budget problem too. Just come to my town, the Democrats here are just spending spending spending.

Ah, so they advocated doing the same things, yet Clinton was just slashing indiscriminantly (balancing the budget in the process and even getting us a surplus,) yet Cheney's identical projects for phasing out was well considered?

What a joke. Blind partisan claptrap.



Clinton sacrificed our national security for wealth. Maybe it's just me, but I prefer a poor life above a rich death.

Caligula


Oh yeah, we had a topic before all this digression...umm....I pick Nero.

Um ... who is ( or was ) Roger Taney, if I'm not being too inquisitive?
He's the son of a bitch who dismantled the Federal Bank, and presided over the Dred Scott decision.

Although not crazy, Warren G. Harding, is the worst politician ever, in US history.

I'd have to say Mccarthy. Sure, he got some right, but most of his accusations were because he was a bully. he didn't like you? Youhave to be communist to disagree with him. He doesn't like your name? What kind of pro-American freedom lover has a name like that? He was a bully.

I'd have to say Mccarthy. Sure, he got some right, but most of his accusations were because he was a bully. he didn't like you? Youhave to be communist to disagree with him. He doesn't like your name? What kind of pro-American freedom lover has a name like that? He was a bully.


I'll concede that by the end of his time in the limelight things were getting out of hand, but the threat from Communist opperatives supported by the USSR was very real, and he did get it right a few times. He forced the country to take a hard look at subversives. As it has been said before, the Constitution is not a suicide pact, and blindly allowing enemies to hide under American institutions will eventually backfire when those institutions are destroyed. McCarthy knew that. Maybe not a hero, but definitely a man who I believe was acting in his nation's interests.

Clinton sacrificed our national security for wealth. Maybe it's just me, but I prefer a poor life above a rich death.

You write well for someone who died over 5 years ago.

Clinton sacrificed our national security for wealth.


That's a load of poopy. :D

Suggesting that anyone should be assasinated for political beliefs is highly improper and illegal in some circumstances. This should require moderation on NS forums.

Suggesting that anyone should be assasinated for political beliefs is highly improper and illegal in some circumstances. This should require moderation on NS forums.

Since the topic is hypothetical and impossible, even if it were not (since no one here is able to go back in time to before someone got into politics,) I have a hard time believing it is a serious attempt to court violence. Unless, of course, it's illegal to urge someone to break a law of physics.

I think someone's a mite touchy.

Suggesting that anyone should be assasinated for political beliefs is highly improper and illegal in some circumstances. This should require moderation on NS forums.

Didn't you read my second post? And saying that is saying that crazy dictators are okay and Nazism and facism (sp) are acceptable forms of government. Oh, don't forget militarism. And Stalinism. I could say that YOU need moderation because you support Hitler and Mussolini and Stalin and Togo. Crazy person.

I'll concede that by the end of his time in the limelight things were getting out of hand, but the threat from Communist opperatives supported by the USSR was very real, and he did get it right a few times.

That's the problem, 'a few times'. If I kill everyone in Canada, I'm sure that at least a few of them were probably terrorists or criminals... :)

Without Bush Sr., the Iraqis might still be in Kuwait

Without Bush Jr., Saddam would still be in power

Without McCarthy (nuts as he was), people might be more accepting of Communism (which would be bad, very bad, in a free enterprise economy).

Without Bush Sr., the Iraqis might still be in Kuwait

Without Bush Jr., Saddam would still be in power

Without McCarthy (nuts as he was), people might be more accepting of Communism (which would be bad, very bad, in a free enterprise economy).
OMG! I wish I had a time machine too!

Although not crazy, Warren G. Harding, is the worst politician ever, in US history.
Agreed.

Joe McCarthy. I'd say, the worst politician in American history. (I can't think of any worse right now, RIGHT NOW no one else comes to mind) The whole attitude of the 50's makes my soul vomit a little bit each time it's mentioned.


I don't like assasinating people.

Except...

Yeah, I kind of have to agree, Joe McCarthy sucked.

What about Hitler?

Hey, who said it had to be American politics.

Without Bush Sr., the Iraqis might still be in Kuwait

Without Bush Jr., Saddam would still be in power

Without McCarthy (nuts as he was), people might be more accepting of Communism (which would be bad, very bad, in a free enterprise economy).

Or one could as easily say:

Without Bush Sr. the Middle East would have risen up against Saddam as a secular heathen and chopped his head off.

Without Bush Jr, 9-11 would never have happened, the recession recovery would have gone faster, and our rights would never have been eroded.

Without McCarthy, America wouldn't have been whipped into such a state of anti-communism. Vietnam would never have happened, and the cold war would have ended diplomatically in the early 80's under president Mondale.

Revisionist history is fun, isn't it. It's also B.S.

Wilson would probably top my list, followed by FDR(because one's actions caused the other's rise, but FDR was worse than Wilson). I would also like to have never seen Marx or Keynes go into economics.

As for modern politicians, I would probably also have to say Hillary Clinton. I have a deep suspicion that her real politics are more totalitarian socialist than the moderate liberal she's trying to portray at the moment. She says whatever is necessary to advance her political career, and is far more audacious about it than other politicians. Anyone who pays attention to her can see that she doesn't really mean the majority of what she says, and only says it to make herself look politically acceptable to a voting population that wouldn't agree with her real politics, or her quest for personal power.

Wilson would probably top my list, followed by FDR(because one's actions caused the other's rise, but FDR was worse than Wilson).
Because FDR was elected four times? Yeah, he was a horrible President :rolleyes:

Hitler or Stalin, easily, unless you're only talking about American politicians.

Hitler or Stalin, easily,

At last we agree on something.

Wilson would probably top my list, followed by FDR(because one's actions caused the other's rise, but FDR was worse than Wilson). I would also like to have never seen Marx or Keynes go into economics.

As for modern politicians, I would probably also have to say Hillary Clinton. I have a deep suspicion that her real politics are more totalitarian socialist than the moderate liberal she's trying to portray at the moment. She says whatever is necessary to advance her political career, and is far more audacious about it than other politicians. Anyone who pays attention to her can see that she doesn't really mean the majority of what she says, and only says it to make herself look politically acceptable to a voting population that wouldn't agree with her real politics, or her quest for personal power.

Stuff like this makes my head hurt. So, do you wash and condition your brain? Perhaps some leave-in product too?

Finally someone who brought it up, ont the 5th page, boy, of course one of those two, djeez they were responsible for millions of deaths, not to mention the promotion of fascism (I believe Stalin was a fascist, not a communist, just compare the two)

Stuff like this makes my head hurt. So, do you wash and condition your brain? Perhaps some leave-in product too?
Then he wraps himself up in the American flag and goes to sleep. But not before he finishes reading the Ten Commandments and repeating the Pledge of Allegience 10 times.

Then he wraps himself up in the American flag and goes to sleep. But not before he finishes reading the Ten Commandments and repeating the Pledge of Allegience 10 times.

Did you know that if you repeat the Pledge 10 times while looking into a mirror, George W appears before you in nothing but chaps and a cowboy hat?

never gonna try, just in case. eww.

Did you know that if you repeat the Pledge 10 times while looking into a mirror, George W appears before you in nothing but chaps and a cowboy hat?

never gonna try, just in case. eww.
OMG! *runs off to bathroom* :D

OMG! *runs off to bathroom* :D

There are just so many ways to misinterperet that. :D

Sure "terrorists" want to take us down. Even more so thanks to Bush. But can you name a military power that could even scratch us? You realize that we spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined? Now, unless we're making sure we can win unless the rest of the world sides agaisnt us, that's a pretty clear indication that waste is rampant...and it's even more so thanks to Bush.

:eek: The USA is going to take over the world! They're just waiting till they can stop nukes! :eek: :eek: :D