NationStates Jolt Archive

Meh.


Y'know, much as I believe that racism is a discredited ideology and that gang warfare is a counterproduct thing, I really don't need to be sold this message in the midst of a load of over-orchestrated sentimental pap.

Wasn't that the movie about the guy who's brother was a Neo-Nazi or something, and he was trying to save his brother from that ideology?

I've never seen it, but it sounds like it might make a powerful story.

Meh.


Y'know, much as I believe that racism is a discredited ideology and that gang warfare is a counterproduct thing, I really don't need to be sold this message in the midst of a load of over-orchestrated sentimental pap.

It sucks that you were forced at gun-point to watch it.

It sucks that you were forced at gun-point to watch it.

You know he probably saw it in Public School. My college had "racisim workshop" which actually turns out to be "Blame everything on the white people shop". I hate racisim, and I am not a racist myself. But comon, lets be realistic. Every race on earth is guilty of racisim.

Wasn't that the movie about the guy who's brother was a Neo-Nazi or something, and he was trying to save his brother from that ideology?

That's the bunny.

I've never seen it, but it sounds like it might make a powerful story.

I wasn't taken by it. Mickey Mouse orchestral music to indicate what directions your emotions should take at what point in the story, and it all seemed to focused on delivering 'A MESSAGE' rather than just letting you use your own powers of analysis to bring away your own conclusion from it. Compare this to smething like Romper Stomper or Scum* - two films which deal with somewhat similar subject matter - and you really feel that the film-makers are trying to spoonfeed you a conclusion, whilst simultaneously trying to sell you a subtext which says 'think for yourself'. Irony?

Certainly the two other films I mentioned there are concerned with condemning certain ideologies or beliefs, but manage it in a much less heacy-handed manner and don't feel like insults to the intelligence as they do so. Certainly they are extremely selective in the story they tell and the way in which it is framed, but by at least presenting it as a matter for thought rather than a moralistic fable they work better as films tenfold in my opinion.


* EDIT: or even, for that matter, Made In Britain or a Canadian film about a racist boy in a correctional facility from the late eighties that I sawyears ago and never caught the name of - about the only clue to its identity I have is that at one point the central protagonist quotes a song by The Mentors.

It sucks that you were forced at gun-point to watch it.

Nah. I'm just disappointed in it, having heard good reports about it from elsewhere... and sure condemning a film without watching the whole of it is a somewhat ignorant position to take, no? I'm not saying IT IS TEH SUXXOR!!! I WANT MY 2 HUORS BAX!!!!, I'm just saying that it struck me as an overly moralistic 'message' movie rather than a successful piece of either filmic entertainment or political discourse.

i love that movie.. but to like it you should clear your mind and think "im going to see a movie thats a story and not about politics or anything.." you cant think and watch it.. you gotta know ITS FOR THRILLS nothing more than that..

That's the bunny.



I wasn't taken by it. Mickey Mouse orchestral music to indicate what directions your emotions should take at what point in the story, and it all seemed to focused on delivering 'A MESSAGE' rather than just letting you use your own powers of analysis to bring away your own conclusion from it. Compare this to smething like Romper Stomper or Scum - two films which deal with somewhat similar subject matter - and you really feel that the film-makers are trying to spoonfeed you a conclusion, whilst simultaneously trying to sell you a subtext which says 'think for yourself'. Irony?

Well it is kindof hypocritical to use music to jerk our emotional strings if their message is think for yourself. And quite frankly when you're dealing both with an emotional struggle to save a brother's life and the Nazi ideology in general one doesn't need musical cues to feel stuff and draw conclusions. We should be able to figure it out. I get what you're saying.

i love that movie..

Why? I'm not saying that you're wrong or anything here. I may have missed some subtext or some reason why people connect with it, but it just didn't do it for me.

Skinheads love that movie. Take a few minutes out of it here and there and it makes being a skinhead look like the coolest thing ever.

Skinheads love that movie. Take a few minutes out of it here and there and it makes being a skinhead look like the coolest thing ever.

Possibly, but I have certainly seen other films in my time which were less shy in showing why there was actually a joy in that kind of gung-ho racist camaraderie - take Romper Stomper for example (despite the fabricated right-wing bands which provvided its soundtrack so that no racist scum would profit off the royalties) or even the aforementioned Made In Britain. But hey, maybe these films didn't make it to the continental United States.

i love that movie..

The only people I hear that from are sad little people with no real soul who are worth less than the shit sewer cleaners scrape off their boots. Find a good movie and say that. Then I might not hate you so much. Try Schindler's List. The new one. It's really good AND has good music, which is more than I can say about this piece of crap I wouldn't sell to ten-dollar prostitutes who'd just won the lottery. I haven't actually seen it, but I never will, thanks in part to the music I downloaded from it(I restored factory settings afterward), but mostly due to the people I've heard. If you think that movie could be remotely entertaining, you should shoot yourself in the face with a shotgun. :sniper:

Well it is kindof hypocritical to use music to jerk our emotional strings if their message is think for yourself. And quite frankly when you're dealing both with an emotional struggle to save a brother's life and the Nazi ideology in general one doesn't need musical cues to feel stuff and draw conclusions. We should be able to figure it out. I get what you're saying.

Again I defer to the conjugal visit of your face with a shotgun. :sniper:

If you think that movie could be remotely entertaining, you should shoot yourself in the face with a shotgun. :sniper:
buy me a shotgun

Again I defer to the conjugal visit of your face with a shotgun. :sniper:

Hmm. Violent spam complete with gun GIFS. Is there a word for this? 'Violam'? 'Spamolence'?

If you think that movie could be remotely entertaining, you should shoot yourself in the face with a shotgun.

So, violent activity as the final arbiter of aesthetics? Call me a cynic here, but I remain unconvinced by your argument.

Possibly, but I have certainly seen other films in my time which were less shy in showing why there was actually a joy in that kind of gung-ho racist camaraderie - take Romper Stomper for example (despite the fabricated right-wing bands which provvided its soundtrack so that no racist scum would profit off the royalties) or even the aforementioned Made In Britain. But hey, maybe these films didn't make it to the continental United States.
I've seen Romper Stomper, which is, frankly, a much better movie.

Hmm. Violent spam complete with gun GIFS. Is there a word for this? 'Violam'? 'Spamolence'?
Frontal lobotomy.

I've seen Romper Stomper, which is, frankly, a much better movie.

Yeah, that's exactly what I thought, on the basis of the narrative it tells, the amount of entertainment it delivers and also the way in which it frames its incidents in order to at least give you the illusion of coming to your own conclusions rather than being hit about the head with them.

You know he probably saw it in Public School. My college had "racisim workshop" which actually turns out to be "Blame everything on the white people shop". I hate racisim, and I am not a racist myself. But comon, lets be realistic. Every race on earth is guilty of racisim.

Except those Mormons :p

Frontal lobotomy.

I concede to your expert medical opinion, Doktor CthulhuFhtagn.

Bump for the day shift. Anyone care to explain what I have missed about this film which makes it so good for other people?

Bump for the day shift. Anyone care to explain what I have missed about this film which makes it so good for other people?
It's a matter of taste man. Get over it.

I didn't like the movie, but Ed Norton's performance was quite good, especially in the first half.

It's a matter of taste man. Get over it.

I just have a feeling that I might have missed a reason why some people seem to like it so much.

I remember ending the movie with a feeling of, man... this sucked. The preformances were good (in my opinion) but it had to be about the worst story I've ever had the misfortune to see. I'd be all for a movie saying racism is bad, but this seemed far too much like High School tripe in a nice box. It really didn't provoke any thought, and I just didn't give a shit about the characters. In any case, I'm going to end this comment with the smiley that shoots the green globs, because no one ever uses the green globs smily.

:gundge:

I just have a feeling that I might have missed a reason why some people seem to like it so much.
Most people don't intellectualize their taste so much. If you watched the whole thing and it didn't grab you, then it just wasn't for you.