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Imagine if the US Government made abortion completely illegal in all circumstances, and if the parent (or parents) couldn't provide adequate monitary support for the child or they were put up for adoption for any reason, they would be taken away and sent to military training where they would be raised and bred as combat soldiers. If you are against abortion and this was the only catch of making it totally illegal, would you accept it?

Of course we would accept it. I mean look, the kid will have his own opinions, will have his own ideas, and can support his country. He would be fed and everything, what's wrong with that? Plus, you won't even be in the army for your whole life, so once he gets out he should be schooled and have army skills. How great would that be? I don't see anything wrong with that. Sure it's not his choice, but then again, parents make up their own rules when they are kids anyways.

I don't care that much about abortion, but would support this. It's a great source of military manpower, an elite army trained from the beginning to fight. It worked quite well in Sparta, and should here; the only barrier is the money. We'd have the manpower for any need.

Couldn't they just sell the blasted kiddie?

Imagine if the US Government made abortion completely illegal in all circumstances, and if the parent (or parents) couldn't provide adequate monitary support for the child or they were put up for adoption for any reason, they would be taken away and sent to military training where they would be raised and bred as combat soldiers. If you are against abortion and this was the only catch of making it totally illegal, would you accept it?

WOW........

Is this your contries way of dealing with to few recrutes for the army :p

I would support it. At least it gives the kid a swing at life.

I would support it. At least it gives the kid a swing at life.

intresting, cannon fodder

Better to die, for a worthwhile cause, then to be cast aside like garbage.

intresting, cannon fodder

huh?

WOW........

Is this your contries way of dealing with to few recrutes for the army :p

I`m quoting my self here :rolleyes:

Yes, then we will be respected MORE worldwide!! Wait till we tell Canada we have super soldiers bred for fighting since being young children! They won't have any sort of problems at all, in fact, I think they'd be better members of society, living in camps, knowing ONLY of killing!! Then we could reinstate a mandatory draft for EVERYONE!! Oh my God, think about it!!! THINK ABOUT IT!!!!! I just wish my parents would have thought of this, giving me to the U.S. MILITARY!!! If we could take a few clues from other countries we could start up a sex, and maybe if we work really hard, slave trade!!! YAY!!!!!!! :D :D


I was being sarcastic... Now, wouldn't it be better to be put in a orphanage? Or a dark alleyway? Seriously, I would support this, if you left the military OUT of it. NO MILITARY. ONLY PUT THEM IN GOVERNMENT FUNDED ORPHANAGES PLEASE. DO NOT LITTER. HAVE A NICE DAY!

Better to die, for a worthwhile cause, then to be cast aside like garbage.
So, you mean the baby should be aborted?

So, you mean the baby should be aborted?

You know exactly what he ment. Don't go try twisting his words.

So, you mean the baby should be aborted?

That's right! I believe in mandatory abortions.......if your ugly, abortion.

Commie? Abortion! Alive? Abortion!

Abortions will solve this annoying pest known as 'life'

Now all nerds and jocks shall be equal...as we no longer have life.

I am also in favor of Post-natal abortions! yay!


Man sarcasm is mean..........oh well, hurray for abortions! *throws babies at the wall to paint his house*

at least we can finally answer that age old question, eh? ;)

You know exactly what he ment. Don't go try twisting his words.
You're right.
I'm sorry.

That's right! I believe in mandatory abortions.......if your ugly, abortion.

Commie? Abortion! Alive? Abortion!

Abortions will solve this annoying pest known as 'life'

Now all nerds and jocks shall be equal...as we no longer have life.

I am also in favor of Post-natal abortions! yay!


Man sarcasm is mean..........oh well, hurray for abortions! *throws babies at the wall to paint his house*

at least we can finally answer that age old question, eh? ;)


Jeez I hope you're being scarcastic. :eek:

Look at me!! I'm an abortion!!! *Disappears*

-snip-
That actually sounds vaguely familiar.

Look at me!! I'm an abortion!!! *Disappears*

No that would be suicide.

Why military? Let's just restart the plantations if we're getting slavery back.

Imagine if the US Government made abortion completely illegal in all circumstances, and if the parent (or parents) couldn't provide adequate monitary support for the child or they were put up for adoption for any reason, they would be taken away and sent to military training where they would be raised and bred as combat soldiers. If you are against abortion and this was the only catch of making it totally illegal, would you accept it?
No, even abortion is better than slavery.

No, even abortion is better than slavery.

Its not slavery. In the militatry you can quit at anytime, it may be hard but you could.

No, I'm like the fruit that ate itself. Oops, not an abortion any more.
No that would be suicide.

Its not slavery. In the militatry you can quit at anytime, it may be hard but you could.

Here's the question. If the kids are raised to be combatants from birth, don't you think the military is going to want to be able to get paid back on its investments? I mean, what's the point in raising soldiers from birth if they all quit at the teenage years? Its not cheap raising a kid. And even more expensive if you do it with a military focus.

Those kids are not going to come out of the military unless its in a body bag. Whatever means neccessary will be used to keep them in line, most likely heavy indoctrination and a lot of legallaise to keep them in.

Its not slavery. In the militatry you can quit at anytime, it may be hard but you could.
It is, you don't have a choice whether to join or not. The State more of less decides.

Of course we would accept it. I mean look, the kid will have his own opinions, will have his own ideas, and can support his country. He would be fed and everything, what's wrong with that? Plus, you won't even be in the army for your whole life, so once he gets out he should be schooled and have army skills. How great would that be? I don't see anything wrong with that. Sure it's not his choice, but then again, parents make up their own rules when they are kids anyways.
Hmmm be dead or be raized from birth as essentialy a slave because of who/what my "parent" was

I would rather be dead

Its not slavery. In the militatry you can quit at anytime, it may be hard but you could.
That was not the hypothetical proposed in this thread

People who support this idea haven't thought of the psychological impact on the kid. This idea is about as well thought out as my friends idea, an approximate quote, "You know how everyone complains that Mexicans are taking our jobs? I have a good idea, why not eletrify the fence on the boarder." Of course that's a different subject, but the point is it's a very poorly thought out plan.

They should be used as organic batteries to power our cities. We could entertain them with some computer program.

They should be used as organic batteries to power our cities. We could entertain them with some computer program.
Though we should name them all "1" so that they get confused when some bad actor comes along and goes "you are the one"

its like
Duh

Though we should name them all "1" so that they get confused when some bad actor comes along and goes "you are the one"

its like
Duh

Yeah, and before they're batteries then we train them to keep a bus from exploding and teach an inner city baseball team the meaning of teamwork.

Hmmm be dead or be raized from birth as essentialy a slave because of who/what my "parent" was

I would rather be dead

wtf, slavery? wtf are you talking about. You are being provided for. When you're 18 then leave if you want. Simple as that. You don't see kids having total free will until they are 18. I don't see how the army would be slavery.

wtf, slavery? wtf are you talking about. You are being provided for. When you're 18 then leave if you want. Simple as that. You don't see kids having total free will until they are 18. I don't see how the army would be slavery.
Considering that they aren't ever allowed to leave said army...

wtf, slavery? wtf are you talking about. You are being provided for. When you're 18 then leave if you want. Simple as that. You don't see kids having total free will until they are 18. I don't see how the army would be slavery.

Soooooo once they become the legal age of being a soldier they are released? Makes PERFECT sense.

Yeah, and before they're batteries then we train them to keep a bus from exploding and teach an inner city baseball team the meaning of teamwork.
Not to forget standing in and "replacing" a football team quarterback in a tough spot and having “excellent” adventures through time

No that would be suicide.'

no actually that wouldn't be suicide. He saying if he was aborted he wouldn't be here right now. Not he's going to kill himself.

wtf, slavery? wtf are you talking about. You are being provided for. When you're 18 then leave if you want. Simple as that. You don't see kids having total free will until they are 18. I don't see how the army would be slavery.
So what would be the point? they are razed in the military and we would be spending money hand over fist to complete all the necessarily military training but then we let them go as soon as they reach their prime fighting ages

WOW what a frigging waist of money along with turning them into essentially indentured servants for the first 18 years of their life

So what would be the point? they are razed in the military and we would be spending money hand over fist to complete all the necessarily military training but then we let them go as soon as they reach their prime fighting ages

WOW what a frigging waist of money along with turning them into essentially indentured servants for the first 18 years of their life

Exactly, which is why they should be turned into gladiators. That would generate enormous revenue.

Exactly, which is why they should be turned into gladiators. That would generate enormous revenue.
Specially if it is turned into a rustle crowe movie :p

This is the most twisted stuff I've heard of. I don't care what your feelings are about the military, they should never, repeat never ever under any circumstances be raising children. The military might be good at many things, but raising children has never been one of them.

Especially children with no family or anything else of their own. Such children would feel like total rejects--unwanted by parents, used by their state as cheap cannon fodder. They would feel like :headbang: all the time. That would not only be extremely cruel--beyond cruel--it would also be an armed and trained rebellion waiting to happen.

I mean, abortion laws or no abortion laws, just what the heck is wrong with adoption by a real family?

Since nobody replied to my post, I'll go argue with someone. Hmmmm. Ah *points finger* You'll do.

This is the most twisted stuff I've heard of. I don't care what your feelings are about the military, they should never, repeat never ever under any circumstances be raising children. The military might be good at many things, but raising children has never been one of them.

That's because the military just hasn't been geared towards raising soldiers from birth. It would be silly to have the military accept a proposal like this and not have the appropriate means of raising living weapons. Indoctrination, behavior altering drugs, I imagine that there are ways for them to get the job done.


Especially children with no family or anything else of their own. Such children would feel like total rejects--unwanted by parents, used by their state as cheap cannon fodder.

Mmmm, cannon fodder is when you just don't bother to do anything to ensure they survive. Training soldiers from birth just to throw them away is an expensive waste. Besides, raised from birth, the military would probably become the parents of the children, part of the indoctrination you see.


They would feel like :headbang: all the time. That would not only be extremely cruel--beyond cruel--it would also be an armed and trained rebellion waiting to happen.


Behaviorial drugs and indoctrination would take care of the emotional aspect. And no project like that would ever take off without a means of ensuring complete loyalty.


I mean, abortion laws or no abortion laws, just what the heck is wrong with adoption by a real family?

Not enough real families who want to take in children to make up for the number of existing orphans.

Mind you I am not advocating this, just showing what would most likely happen if it became the case.

wtf, slavery? wtf are you talking about. You are being provided for. When you're 18 then leave if you want. Simple as that. You don't see kids having total free will until they are 18. I don't see how the army would be slavery.

I don't think they would let their investments just leave like at the age when they are supposed to be combat ready, and besides how do you think someone who has been raised since BIRTH to kill and follow orders without hesitation or remourse will act in a normal civillian situation?

I don't think they would let their investments just leave like at the age when they are supposed to be combat ready, and besides how do you think someone who has been raised since BIRTH to kill and follow orders without hesitation or remourse will act in a normal civillian situation?
Not to mention could you say they had a fair shake and being ABLE to decide for freedom (some will) but by and large a lot of them will have been trained to be in a military situation I think like with institutionalization they may have a almost phobia to being out in civilian life

Do we really want to be doing this to other humans just because they had parents that wouldn’t /couldn’t keep them?

Not to mention could you say they had a fair shake and being ABLE to decide for freedom (some will) but by and large a lot of them will have been trained to be in a military situation I think like with institutionalization they may have a almost phobia to being out in civilian life

Do we really want to be doing this to other humans just because they had parents that wouldn’t /couldn’t keep them?

Exactly, you hit it right on the money there. I'm curious as to who seriously would support this 100%.

Exactly, you hit it right on the money there. I'm curious as to who seriously would support this 100%.
Absolutely not me (see my reply to the post you just quoted by the original poster) think of not only the hell you would be putting these kids through but also the massive waste of money it would be

(And I got to ask is anyone thinking of the movie “solder” with Kert rustle? )

Absolutely not me (see my reply to the post you just quoted by the original poster) think of not only the hell you would be putting these kids through but also the massive waste of money it would be

(And I got to ask is anyone thinking of the movie “solder” with Kert rustle? )

That's exactly where I got my inspiration to do this thread!

That's exactly where I got my inspiration to do this thread!
Ok glad I am not insane

Would the kids also not talk :) (btw they figured it out kert made over a million dollars for each word in that movie) lol

Ok glad I am not insane

Would the kids also not talk :) (btw they figured it out kert made over a million dollars for each word in that movie) lol

I would guess that they wouldn't talk unless ordered to, and because they would be so used to being told what to do they wouldn't be able to adapt to society or express how they feel.

I would guess that they wouldn't talk unless ordered to, and because they would be so used to being told what to do they wouldn't be able to adapt to society or express how they feel.
We would be socially crippling a mass amounts of people

We would be socially crippling a mass amounts of people

Also imagine the potential for the amount of murderers once they quit (if they can that is). That's all they've ever known. In the words of Major Payne: "Killin is my business ladies! And business is good!".

If a life in prison (or in this case, in military service) was worse than being killed, death row inmates wouldn't fight so hard for a life-sentence.

If a life in prison (or in this case, in military service) was worse than being killed, death row inmates wouldn't fight so hard for a life-sentence.
But they have the adult realization of what is coming to them and try to avoid that

If it was a choice of never being born or born into servitude I would choose not to be born

So what would be the point? they are razed in the military and we would be spending money hand over fist to complete all the necessarily military training but then we let them go as soon as they reach their prime fighting ages

WOW what a frigging waist of money along with turning them into essentially indentured servants for the first 18 years of their life

Did i say that? I said once they are 18 they can leave and go have their own lives. Not that once they are 18 they are kicked out of the army....come on and think, use common sense. Heck i bet most of them that turn 18 would stay. Stay there for a fews years go to college. Or perhaps, make a career out of it. Not all people are designed for the army, so would we force them to stay there? That is slavery.

Considering that they aren't ever allowed to leave said army...

where did it say that? /shrug

Exactly, which is why they should be turned into gladiators. That would generate enormous revenue.

Agree 100%.

We don't really need a military anymore. All we do is get into stupid fights and then people all around the world hate us and kill our people and waste our money. And don't say that without a military people would run over us; we can still always nuke anyone stupid enough to attack us.

Gladiators, on the other hand, would have a powerful positive cultural and economic impact on our country. Raise the kids as gladiator slaves and fight 'em to death on television. Plus, its really cool.

Did i say that? I said once they are 18 they can leave and go have their own lives. Not that once they are 18 they are kicked out of the army....come on and think, use common sense. Heck i bet most of them that turn 18 would stay. Stay there for a fews years go to college. Or perhaps, make a career out of it. Not all people are designed for the army, so would we force them to stay there? That is slavery.
And its not slavery because they are under 18?

And think of all the people that you wasted money on training and then leave

As is they only train thoes that will fight for at least 4 years

As proposed they will train thousands that will leave during their prime before making the training worth it

And its not slavery because they are under 18?

And think of all the people that you wasted money on training and then leave

As is they only train thoes that will fight for at least 4 years

As proposed they will train thousands that will leave during their prime before making the training worth it

look all this money crap is way beyond the original question. It says, that there is no abortions, but if you can't be provided for you be sent to the army to be raised. Also in this country, there is no slavery, therefore they can't be forced to stay in the army. So, next point please?

And its not slavery because they are under 18?



No, i don't believe it is slavery. If you can't be placed within a family or adoption (which adoption is prohibited for this scenario) then you have no where else to go, but the army. Meaning you are going to be provided for, educated, and trained for military (if you so desire to stay).

No, i don't believe it is slavery. If you can't be placed within a family or adoption (which adoption is prohibited for this scenario) then you have no where else to go, but the army. Meaning you are going to be provided for, educated, and trained for military (if you so desire to stay).
Just because you dont believe it does not make it such

Thats like saying that all underage orphans get to work hard labor in cotton fields without a choice untill they are 18 where there is a very good probability that they were never trained for anything else so they get to stay in the fields untill they die

Very slave like

un acceptable

Imagine if the US Government made abortion completely illegal in all circumstances, and if the parent (or parents) couldn't provide adequate monitary support for the child or they were put up for adoption for any reason, they would be taken away and sent to military training where they would be raised and bred as combat soldiers. If you are against abortion and this was the only catch of making it totally illegal, would you accept it?

yes

you can leae the army, abortion is the end of the road and the child dosn't get a say

And its not slavery because they are under 18?

if that would be slavey wouldn't public school also be?

As proposed they will train thousands that will leave during their prime before making the training worth it

I think the primary point of the program would be to provide a place for these kids other than a trash can at birth, so it would be worth it

As I'm in my psychotic mindset now, yes, it's a good idea.

if that would be slavey wouldn't public school also be?



I think the primary point of the program would be to provide a place for these kids other than a trash can at birth, so it would be worth it
Then provide them with housing and food and education rather then also training them against their will to kill others

And unlike public school that is applied to everyone this would be applied to only people whos parents abandoned them

I don't care that much about abortion, but would support this. It's a great source of military manpower, an elite army trained from the beginning to fight. It worked quite well in Sparta, and should here; the only barrier is the money. We'd have the manpower for any need.

Why not take a step further and establish compulsory breeding programmes, love?