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I find it interesting, as a Greek, how many of the English and the Americans have a warped view of family values:

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

- They let their children do what they want.

- They are Atheists.

- They don't even have family meals together.

- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?

Ugh. I don't get people like you, really.

Leave, troll.

Wow. You're seriously the first Greek Nazi I've ever seen.

Welcome to the ideas of 'culture'. Your idea of 'warped' is many ideas of normal, it works in both ways. Many people think bringing up a child and not letting them make up their own minds up about religion, and not giving them independence at a certain age is 'warped'.

Well, since they haven't DEATed you yet, I'll step up to bat on this one:


I find it interesting, as a Greek, how many of the English and the Americans have a warped view of family values:

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job. Actually, we Canadians like our kids to start working at 12:). No, not really. It's more often that we don't let our kids be useful at all, because we have this belief in the sanctity of childhood that somehow makes work something you don't 'force' kids to do...sometimes that includes even chores around the house. Then again, you could go to the other extreme and have children making shoes for Nike....

- They let their children do what they want. And they discipline them for making poor choices. Better than skinning them like cats (a favourite Greek saying of a friend's father) and calling them whores...

- They are Atheists. No. I'm an atheist, and I'm definitely in the minority. The majority of Americans and Canadians are religious.

- They don't even have family meals together. You watch too much tv.

- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?
Yeah. You ask your parents for money to go to a concert. Since we don't think our kids should always have a free ride, we lend them the money, and expect them to pay us back if they have a job, or do something to help out in the house as a way of compensation. Otherwise, they have no concept of the value of money, and when they leave to go to school, they blow all their student loan money on beer and cigarettes, drop out, and be bums in the street.

Feel superior much?

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

So they can start learning how to become a productive member of society, and begin the transition into adulthood.

- They let their children do what they want.

Bah, generalizations. My parents were strict on what I could and could not do. I was never allowed to 'run free', and neither were any of the friends I had.

- They are Atheists.

Again, wrong. I was personally born and raised Lutheran, and if I'm not mistaken isn't a majority of America religious?

- They don't even have family meals together.

HAHAHAHAHA. You're kidding, right? I eat with my family almost every night. These unresearched, unfair generalizations of yours have to stop.

- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?

Unlike your I'm sure, most families cannot afford to shell out money to thier children. Plus this also teaches them to be responsible, to be credible and return what you borrow. I don't see what you're getting at.

Try doing some research first.

Welcome to the ideas of 'culture'. Your idea of 'warped' is many ideas of normal, it works in both ways. Many people think bringing up a child and not letting them make up their own minds up about religion, and not giving them independence at a certain age is 'warped'.

And they would be right. You're supposed to raise your kids, not brainwash them and make them forever dependend on yourself.
So what if he ows his dad money? So his dad lent him some, what's your point?

And they discipline them for making poor choices. Better than skinning them like cats (a favourite Greek saying of a friend's father) and calling them whores...

If I had a daughter and she wore something like some American and English girls wore, I wouldn't call her a whore but I'd make her change it. It's simple protectiveness of your children.

Yeah. You ask your parents for money to go to a concert. Since we don't think our kids should always have a free ride, we lend them the money, and expect them to pay us back if they have a job, or do something to help out in the house as a way of compensation. Otherwise, they have no concept of the value of money, and when they leave to go to school, they blow all their student loan money on beer and cigarettes, drop out, and be bums in the street.

No, my brother has had these things, when he asks my father for money, my father has never asked him to pay him back, but he is getting a masters in European Econ. from LSE. It's nothing about rich or poor, whatever wealth you have, you provide for your children no matter what and don't make them pay for things like clothes or things they want.

Feel superior much?[/QUOTE]

And they would be right. You're supposed to raise your kids, not brainwash them and make them forever dependend on yourself.
So what if he ows his dad money? So his dad lent him some, what's your point?

My point is this concept is wierd, you are 16 years old ffs! you dont 'owe' your parents money.

If I had a daughter and she wore something like some American and English girls wore, I wouldn't call her a whore but I'd make her change it. It's simple protectiveness of your children.



No, my brother has had these things, when he asks my father for money, my father has never asked him to pay him back, but he is getting a masters in European Econ. from LSE. It's nothing about rich or poor, whatever wealth you have, you provide for your children no matter what and don't make them pay for things like clothes or things they want.

Feel superior much?[/QUOTE]

1: This, I don't agree with. It's coddling your kids along, making them blind to the world around them.

2: This, I do happen to agree with. I think kids who have to pay rent and the like have it bad. I know there's all this "the parents are just helping them become productive members of society" talk, but I see it as bad parenting, really.

They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

Not many people in England think this. My parents never told any of their 3 children that they "should" get a job - just that they were giving us £50 a month from the age of 16 as allowance, and if that wasn't enough money for us, the choice was ours to get a job or spend less.

They let their children do what they want.
In what way? My parents wouldn't prevent me from trashing the house if they didn't know I was going to do. If they knew I was going to, they'd stop me. If I did it before they could stop me, they'd punish me by making me tidy it all up, pay for repairs then probably stop me from going out for a bit.

They are Atheists.
Athiests are in the minority in the USA (they're just louder). In the UK I'm not sure about numbers belonging to each religion, but in my athiest family we still have moral values. I've never felt that my spiritual upbringing was lacking.

They don't even have family meals together.
Not breakfast, because we all get up/leave the house at different times. If we're all in e.g. at the weekend we'll have lunch together, otherwise it's whenever you get hungry. We ALWAYS eat supper together. Always. Almost every night of my life since I was a wee babby.

I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?

What Sin said.

It's nothing about rich or poor, whatever wealth you have, you provide for your children no matter what and don't make them pay for things like clothes or things they want.Sorry, but when your kids want things that are out of your financial reach, what do you do? Deny them these things, right? How is that a bad thing? If your kid REALLY REALLY wants to go to that concert, but frankly, you can't afford the $50 for the ticket, he or she is out of luck. Unless you can agree that, okay, you'll give the money if in return, they help you do something that otherwise would have cost you, in time or money about the same amount. That way, they get what they wanted, but they realise, you're not made of money, they value the ticket, and they help out. Simply giving your kids everything they want does nothing but spoil them. They don't learn the value of these 'material things', and they don't really derive any joy from something that isn't earned. Cripes...even Christmas is all about "be good, or no presents". Effort required to be worthy of gifts. And yeah, if I can only afford no-name jeans, but my kids wants brand name? Tough. She can pay for them.

Oh come on. All families are warped in my eyes. I have the best family in the world.

If I had a daughter and she wore something like some American and English girls wore, I wouldn't call her a whore but I'd make her change it. It's simple protectiveness of your children.

How would that protect her?
My mom always said that there's no point in "making" your kids wear certain clothes or telling them not to have contect with certain friends, because if you do, they'll do it behind your back. If you don't at least you'll always know what's going on.



No, my brother has had these things, when he asks my father for money, my father has never asked him to pay him back, but he is getting a masters in European Econ. from LSE. It's nothing about rich or poor, whatever wealth you have, you provide for your children no matter what and don't make them pay for things like clothes or things they want.


You don't have to provide luxury for your kids. Clothes, food, school stuff, yes. Concert tickets, CDs, brand name clothes, other fancy stuff, no. That's what they get pocket money for.

My point is this concept is wierd, you are 16 years old ffs! you dont 'owe' your parents money.
Then don't ask for things beyond your parent's ability to provide, and we'll all be happy. Otherwise, you find your own way to 'get what you want'. As in, get a job if you want to be trendy.

My point is this concept is wierd, you are 16 years old ffs! you dont 'owe' your parents money.

If you borrowed from them, you do. What do you think parents are? Extended piggy banks for your benefit???

Then don't ask for things beyond your parent's ability to provide, and we'll all be happy. Otherwise, you find your own way to 'get what you want'. As in, get a job if you want to be trendy.
Yup my parents made sure I had food clothing housing and love anything more then that was mine

When I hit collage I earned my own way and it was much more valuable to me for it

Two masters later and on my way to my doctorate still paying my own way

I find it interesting, as a Greek, how many of the English and the Americans have a warped view of family values:

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

- They let their children do what they want.

- They are Atheists.

- They don't even have family meals together.

- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?




1. It fosters responsibility, work-ethic, and other good Christian values

2. Irresponsibility is a major issue here, but it's not like the rest of the world is void of wicked, impulsive people

3. Thankfully, they are still the minority here, although you wouldn't think so with all their vocal opposition to any vestige of Christianity which so "oppresses" them :rolleyes: You'd think the Inquisition was at its pinnacle with their rantings :p

4. That's a bit too general of a statement, it can be said of the hyper-busy, self-centered families in which they do not take the time to have a nice dinner together and discuss their day, however, it doesn't apply to us all.

5. Another issue of teaching responsibility.

2: This, I do happen to agree with. I think kids who have to pay rent and the like have it bad. I know there's all this "the parents are just helping them become productive members of society" talk, but I see it as bad parenting, really.

It depends how old you are really. I started paying rent at 18, when I left college, and had to get a job straight away. I haven't been out of work since, where as I have friends who are my age and do nothing but smoke pot with their days. My Dad can't afford to feed accomodate and cloth my whole family on his salary.

Well, since they haven't DEATed you yet, I'll step up to bat on this one:


Actually, we Canadians like our kids to start working at 12:). No, not really. It's more often that we don't let our kids be useful at all, because we have this belief in the sanctity of childhood that somehow makes work something you don't 'force' kids to do...sometimes that includes even chores around the house. Then again, you could go to the other extreme and have children making shoes for Nike....

And they discipline them for making poor choices. Better than skinning them like cats (a favourite Greek saying of a friend's father) and calling them whores...

No. I'm an atheist, and I'm definitely in the minority. The majority of Americans and Canadians are religious.

You watch too much tv.


Yeah. You ask your parents for money to go to a concert. Since we don't think our kids should always have a free ride, we lend them the money, and expect them to pay us back if they have a job, or do something to help out in the house as a way of compensation. Otherwise, they have no concept of the value of money, and when they leave to go to school, they blow all their student loan money on beer and cigarettes, drop out, and be bums in the street.

Feel superior much?


Okay, that last part is complete bullshit with some people. I must be one of them...I spent my student loan money on *gasp* TEXTBOOKS!!!

I've never "owed" my parents money. They've owed me money rather often,though. I still wonder how my dad spent $300 on take-out in one weekend,though.. *grumble*


My parents never asked me to get a job either. School is my job. I'm 20 years old now, and in my third year of college. I've been in gifted or honors classes my entire life, and I was usually involved in academic extracurricular activities.

It depends how old you are really. I started paying rent at 18, when I left college, and had to get a job straight away. I haven't been out of work since, where as I have friends who are my age and do nothing but smoke pot with their days. My Dad can't afford to feed accomodate and cloth my whole family on his salary.

Well, it definitely makes sense to make your kids pay rent at that age if you can't afford it. If the situation's not quite that way, though... No way in hell would I do that.

1: This, I don't agree with. It's coddling your kids along, making them blind to the world around them.

2: This, I do happen to agree with. I think kids who have to pay rent and the like have it bad. I know there's all this "the parents are just helping them become productive members of society" talk, but I see it as bad parenting, really.[/QUOTE]

Really? I guess number 1 is just a difference in Civilizations, I have a problem if my daughter, whom, lets say she was 14, dressed like a slut. It's not coddling, it's just not wanting to make them turn into a bad person who wants to marry someone who isn't greek.

as a Greek,


*sigh*

Sometimes I really am ashamed of my heritage.....

Okay, that last part is complete bullshit with some people. I must be one of them...I spent my student loan money on *gasp* TEXTBOOKS!!!

I've never "owed" my parents money. They've owed me money rather often,though. I still wonder how my dad spent $300 on take-out in one weekend,though.. *grumble*



"Hi, I'll have 20 orders of cashew chicken, 50 eggrolls, and 30 orders of fried rice."

Well, since they haven't DEATed you yet, I'll step up to bat on this one:


Actually, we Canadians like our kids to start working at 12:). No, not really. It's more often that we don't let our kids be useful at all, because we have this belief in the sanctity of childhood that somehow makes work something you don't 'force' kids to do...sometimes that includes even chores around the house. Then again, you could go to the other extreme and have children making shoes for Nike....

And they discipline them for making poor choices. Better than skinning them like cats (a favourite Greek saying of a friend's father) and calling them whores...

No. I'm an atheist, and I'm definitely in the minority. The majority of Americans and Canadians are religious.

You watch too much tv.


Yeah. You ask your parents for money to go to a concert. Since we don't think our kids should always have a free ride, we lend them the money, and expect them to pay us back if they have a job, or do something to help out in the house as a way of compensation. Otherwise, they have no concept of the value of money, and when they leave to go to school, they blow all their student loan money on beer and cigarettes, drop out, and be bums in the street.

Feel superior much?

good answer man

I thought he was comparing and contrasting characteristics, seeing as how I foolishly assumed that everyone believes in the importance of work ethic and responsibility in children balanced with the personal freedoms and rights entitled to them...

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

- They let their children do what they want.until I saw this- They are Atheists.and realized they were all part of the same,- They don't even have family meals together.stupid,- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?list.

I don't understand how you can have friends, trollboy, could you explain this to me?
I see one of your threads has already been locked. Too bad there isn't a ban for being a dumbass.

Sorry, but when your kids want things that are out of your financial reach, what do you do? Deny them these things, right? How is that a bad thing? If your kid REALLY REALLY wants to go to that concert, but frankly, you can't afford the $50 for the ticket, he or she is out of luck. Unless you can agree that, okay, you'll give the money if in return, they help you do something that otherwise would have cost you, in time or money about the same amount. That way, they get what they wanted, but they realise, you're not made of money, they value the ticket, and they help out. Simply giving your kids everything they want does nothing but spoil them. They don't learn the value of these 'material things', and they don't really derive any joy from something that isn't earned. Cripes...even Christmas is all about "be good, or no presents". Effort required to be worthy of gifts. And yeah, if I can only afford no-name jeans, but my kids wants brand name? Tough. She can pay for them.

$50 for a Concert? what is wrong with this? A concert doesn't come around every week, so give them the $50, you dont have to make them 'earn it'. A 16 year old is a child ffs.

Okay, that last part is complete bullshit with some people. I must be one of them...I spent my student loan money on *gasp* TEXTBOOKS!!!


Um...perhaps you missed the part where I was exaggerating to the extreme???

Wow. You're seriously the first Greek Nazi I've ever seen.

Ah, you never encountered Nazi Weaponised Virus then?

*sigh*

Sometimes I really am ashamed of my heritage.....

Don't be cuz of this guy. We have only his word that he's Greek at all. Trolls are not usually 100% honest, sometimes their purpose is actually to smear what they seemingly support (i.e, Christians or Greeks).

*sigh*

Sometimes I really am ashamed of my heritage.....Every country has its idiots. Don't take it too hard. He's the first Greek I've met that I couldn't stand.

Really? I guess number 1 is just a difference in Civilizations, I have a problem if my daughter, whom, lets say she was 14, dressed like a slut. It's not coddling, it's just not wanting to make them turn into a bad person who wants to marry someone who isn't greek.

Depends on how you define "dresses like a slut". Compared to fashion in Afghanistan, yes, western girls tend to dress lighter. In what way does that make them bad persons???

Really? I guess number 1 is just a difference in Civilizations, I have a problem if my daughter, whom, lets say she was 14, dressed like a slut. It's not coddling, it's just not wanting to make them turn into a bad person who wants to marry someone who isn't greek.
No, it's your issue with what you consider to be sluttish. Cover your daughter up from head to toe if you wish. Her clothes no more define her sexuality than a name would.

A 16 year old is a child ffs.

Ya! A 16 year old is a child! That's why they shouldn't have any rights! /sarcasm

*sigh*

Sometimes I really am ashamed of my heritage.....

No, you shouldn't be. We Greeks are the best, don't listen to these barbarians, they are all animal lovers and treat animal better than their own children :P

Ah, you never encountered Nazi Weaponised Virus then?Nope. Did I miss much? :D

1: This, I don't agree with. It's coddling your kids along, making them blind to the world around them.

2: This, I do happen to agree with. I think kids who have to pay rent and the like have it bad. I know there's all this "the parents are just helping them become productive members of society" talk, but I see it as bad parenting, really.

Really? I guess number 1 is just a difference in Civilizations, I have a problem if my daughter, whom, lets say she was 14, dressed like a slut. It's not coddling, it's just not wanting to make them turn into a bad person who wants to marry someone who isn't greek.

I agree with you (though I'd never force my kids to wear clothes they didn't want to wear), except for the bolded part. Why the racism, hmm?

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

They should. They have to start earning some time and it teaches kids proper respect authority

- They let their children do what they want.

I'm never allowed to do what I wanted and neither is my sister. My kids sure as hell won't be allowed to.

- They are Atheists.

My Mum's a christian, my dad a devout atheist, I'm an agnostic. I figure that most people make thir own choices (I did)

- They don't even have family meals together.

We have meals every night except when my Mum's at work and even then me, my dad and sis sit down and eat together.

- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?

Parents shouldn't have to ask, kids should have to pay it back regardless. However, not everyone has that sense of honour. Therefore, parents have to ask.

a bad person who wants to marry someone who isn't greek.

as a Greek,

I see your problem. A bit too much self-rightiousness. Try and view the world through other peoples eyes, with empathy and compassion. IMHO Christ's most important message.

$50 for a Concert? what is wrong with this? A concert doesn't come around every week, so give them the $50, you dont have to make them 'earn it'. A 16 year old is a child ffs.
Yes. A child. And a child doesn't NEED to go to a concert. They may want to...but wants are not my business. I provide for needs.

Nope. Did I miss much? :D

Couple of flames, couple of anti-Turk and anti-American rants, couple of death threats. Y'know, the usual.

No, you shouldn't be. We Greeks are the best, don't listen to these barbarians, they are all animal lovers and treat animal better than their own children :P


Ya ya ya....and the Turks are heathen dogs that we must send to Zeus in body bags.... :rolleyes:

If you borrowed from them, you do. What do you think parents are? Extended piggy banks for your benefit???

They are your parents, they provide for you, my parents have always done this, I am proud to be Greek, so much proud, proud that we have respectable women and good families, and not 12 year olds with kids and their parents don't even disown them!

Depends on how you define "dresses like a slut". Compared to fashion in Afghanistan, yes, western girls tend to dress lighter. In what way does that make them bad persons???



I think he's referring to what you know he is referring to: The skimpy, trashy, super-tight clothing which serves the purpose of making the males oggle you instead of providing cover, warmth, etc.

$50 for a Concert? what is wrong with this? A concert doesn't come around every week, so give them the $50, you dont have to make them 'earn it'. A 16 year old is a child ffs.

Why should you give them the money? You earned it, and you feed and dress them with it. That's not enough? You give them pocket money as well. A 16 year old is capable of paying you back money, we are not talking about a 5 year old, for god's sake

No, you shouldn't be. We Greeks are the best, don't listen to these barbarians, they are all animal lovers and treat animal better than their own children :P
Oh and where did that come from may I ask?

I agree with you (though I'd never force my kids to wear clothes they didn't want to wear), except for the bolded part. Why the racism, hmm?Jeez, haven't you noticed the NSDAP in UNSDAP? Stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Coincidence? :confused:

Yes. A child. And a child doesn't NEED to go to a concert. They may want to...but wants are not my business. I provide for needs.

Well why not give them a tent and basic provisions to just survive then? these are the most basic of 'needs'. You xeni, hehe, I will never understand you.

I am proud to be Greek

There is a difference between pride and ethnocentrism.

I'm proud to be decended from ancient Sparta, but I don't view myself as superior in any way to any other human being.

In the U.K its like this

Children can get paper rounds IF THEY WANT at 13.(loads of laws apply but wont state them all the major one is limits on work hours,). At 15 they can work in a shop or on a farm or summat like that.
At 16 They can get whatever job(if they're qualified enough) and there are still limits in work hours if you are in full time education.(This applys until you aren't in full-time education.) After that they can work where they want for as long as they want.

9/10 parents do try to discipline their kids but 1/2 the time they'll be angels at home and devils at school. My advice is deal with it, not everybody is going to perfect 100% of the time.

Most of the people in my area are theists or were theists at one point.

I have family meals most days and always every sunday.

All normal parents supply their kids with food, clothes, housing and IMPORTANT STUFF for free because they love them. Unimportant stuff that kids want (e.g computer games, magazines ;), designer clothes, etc) adults will ask for them to give them the money for it in a few days/weeks/months so that the child 'will know the value of a pound' and will know later in life that while the bank notes are made from trees they dont grow on them!lol

Ya! A 16 year old is a child! That's why they shouldn't have any rights!Not by German law...

Well why not give them a tent and basic provisions to just survive then? these are the most basic of 'needs'. You xeni, hehe, I will never understand you.You don't need to be using Greek against us. Some of us can understand what you say.

Not by German law...

I'm hoping I don't need to clarify that I wasn't being serious.

No family values, let their children do what they want, give them 'loans' of money, pathetic. Greek Families it is not like this.

You don't need to be using Greek against us. Some of us can understand what you say.

Big deal.

Jeez, haven't you noticed the NSDAP in UNSDAP? Stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. Coincidence? :confused:

Not all of us know what the German political parties are.

;)

No family values, let their children do what they want, give them 'loans' of money, pathetic. Greek Families it is not like this.


Different family values not "no family values"

You don't need to be using Greek against us. Some of us can understand what you say.

And those of us who are smart enough can figure it out, xenophobe.
(speaking to the troll, not Laerod)

Not all of us know what the German political parties are.

;)Considering that that particular German Party started World War 2, I'd have hoped you'd recognize them ;)

Different family values not "no family values"

Mr. Atheist, no, family values implies that parents provide for their children, pay for their fees at University, give them money when they ask for it etc.

My brother has only had 1 job in his life and it was for 2 weeks and he is 22 done his masters, he is not spoilt, we are not billionaires, it is a simple thing called family values.

Considering that that particular German Party started World War 2, I'd have hoped you'd recognize them ;)

Ah, that's the one.

*cringe*

I find it interesting, as a Greek, how many of the English and the Americans have a warped view of family values:

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

- They let their children do what they want.

- They are Atheists.

- They don't even have family meals together.

- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?

-Yeah, God forbid kids learn what it's like to have a job before they get into the real world. Also, I don't know about anyone else, but I enjoy having spending cash.
-This is new me...I'm not allowed to do whatever I want.
-Athiest? Tell that to my Catholic parents. Man, you sure do know A LOT about American families. :rolleyes:
-WWIII would brak out if we had a family meal together. It's for the sake of humanity.
-Wow, you're pretty spoiled. You don't have a job and you're parents pay for everything?

They are your parents, they provide for you, my parents have always done this, I am proud to be Greek, so much proud, proud that we have respectable women and good families, and not 12 year olds with kids and their parents don't even disown them!
Greece, isn't that the country that is rocked by a financial and other scandal involving high ranking greek-orthodox clergy?

Seriously, Greece is a country like any other and all the greeks I know are normal, too. So where do you come from?

As to owing money:
I was provided with everything I needed, i.e. food and clothing and got a small allowance. When I wanted additional stuff I worked for it. I was 13 when I mowed our lawn and did the ironing - from that I bought a radio-tape recorder (later called ghetto blaster), which I valued more because I knew how many hours work I put in. I just became a father myself and will act exactly like my parents in this way.

Not even can you not generalize properly, but you can't even make a good conspiracy theory linking all the things that don't fit your narrow minded point of view!

You're the crappiest troll I've ever seen!

My brother has only had 1 job in his life and it was for 2 weeks and he is 22 done his masters, he is not spoilt, we are not billionaires, it is a simple thing called family values.

Well then you're brother has no job experience, now does he?

Mr. Atheist, no, family values implies that parents provide for their children, pay for their fees at University, give them money when they ask for it etc.

My brother has only had 1 job in his life and it was for 2 weeks and he is 22 done his masters, he is not spoilt, we are not billionaires, it is a simple thing called family values.
Not spoilt? When his family supports him? When, pray tell, will he begin to support his family?

Not spoilt? When his family supports him? When, pray tell, will he begin to support his family?

When he decides to have one, even then in a Greek family, the other members of the family would still support if he needed it.

Well, I'm English, and taking my family as an example: I find it interesting, as a Greek, how many of the English and the Americans have a warped view of family values:

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.

Wrong. I was encouraged to continue my education.


- They let their children do what they want.

Wrong. Very few parents actually let their children do everything they want, mine certainly didn't.



- They are Atheists.

Wrong, I am but my parents aren't



- They don't even have family meals together.

Wrong. When living with my parents all meals were eaten together.



- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?

I owed my mother money. She loaned me £200 to buy my first computer, and I paid her back gradually from pocket money and birthday money.

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Before this thread gets locked, I'd like to congratulate you on being the first "teenager" I've met who has argued to be effectively babied by his parents. Not only do you want to have no individual rights or responsibility, you think that's the right thing to do! There's a difference between being taken care of by your family and being rendered an invalid do to poor parenting: I'm afraid you're a product of the latter.

Before this thread gets locked, I'd like to congratulate you on being the first child I've met who has argued to be effectively babied by his parents. Not only do you want to have no individual rights or responsibility, you think that's the right thing to do! There's a difference between being taken care of by your family and being rendered an invalid do to poor parenting: I'm afraid you're a product of the latter.
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Couldn't have said it better!

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Couldn't have said it better!

Ya, but I forgot that he's not supposed to be a child but a 17 year old.

Ya, but I forgot that he's not supposed to be a child but a 17 year old.
Apparently his parents must continue supporting him anyway. I wonder if his grandparents are still supporting his parents....

Look once a child(when i say child i mean an adults child not a U16/U17/U18 whatever) goes through uni they are practically on their own. This however does not mean that if they get into serious trouble they will not be helped by their family. But this help is expected to be returned i.e if money is loaned the money is expected to be paid back.

Before I answer your points, I would like to comment on your use of the word "Warped" different maybe, but not warped.
I find it interesting, as a Greek, how many of the English and the Americans have a warped view of family values:

- They think when children are 16 they should get a job.The legal working age is 16. and for most parents, it helps instill and develope a work ethic in their teenager. also the fact that it gives them a start at an income as well as a work history so that they have an edge when applying for jobs as graduate adults.

- They let their children do what they want.that depends on the parent. my parents, while they didn't forbid me to do what I wanted, did offer advice and opinions, which I do highly value. (and if anyone tells them I said that... I will hunt you down. :mad: )

- They are Atheists.we're not.

- They don't even have family meals together.we do. as often as we can.

- I once heard an English friend of mine (he and me are both 17 years old), say that he owed his dad money. How can one 'owe' their parents money? I don't understand this concept, can one explain it to me?He probably borrowed some money from his father. while the father may or may not expect the money to be returned, the fact that the son is willing to return the money shows honesty even within the family.
and to have his son return borrowed money (he can always refuse the repaymen) also shows that his son does have a sense of responsibility, honesty, and honor.

Plus returning the money gives you credit if you ever do somethng bad ;);)
ie :) :sniper: lol

Is it just me or does UNDSAP remind you of the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding". I mean UNDSAP is very pro-greek and looks down upon other peoples just like the father did in that movie.

But anyway, Greece is not the most successful place in the world. Many other places do incredibly well and your characterizations of Americans are wrong. I was not forced to get a job when I turned 16, I was encouraged but there is nothing wrong with pocket money and work experience. Warren Buffett got a job as a paper deliverer at 14 and invested that money into farmland, we all know how Warren Buffett's life went in the end(2nd richest man in the world).

My parents do not let me do what I want, my parents always make sure that I am doing what they think is right and/or safe.

Many people in the US go to church, many people at my school walk around wearing religious affiliated tee-shirts and wear crosses on ear-rings and other items.

My family has a meal together most dinners and a few lunches.

A parent has the duty to provide their children with what they need. Usually children owe parents for things that do not necessarily contribute to the child's overall well-being but are simply desired. To demand a sacrifice for these things from that child forces the child to do a cost benefit analysis of some sort to determine whether it will be worth it and ultimately makes that child better at making decisions of an economic nature(such as should I save money for things I really want or should I spend every dime I get and suffer when I want something I can not have)