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The Atheist-Islamic Alliance is continuing full swing, so......

"Muslims are not going to integrate. They are not going to adopt Western cultures and values. On the contrary, they want to destroy the democracies and establish their own barbaric way of life by force. If the Europeans think Muslim immigrants will one day work to pay for their pensions, they are in for a nasty surprise. Muslims can only receive but they will not give back. To give back is un-Islamic. It is not in their ethos. It is not in their character. The whole concept of dhimmitude is that non-Muslims become tributaries to Muslims and not the other way round. Today, a great number of Muslims in European countries are maintained by the government. Muslims see this as their right. It is the Jizyah that the non-Muslims are supposed to pay. They will never return the favor.

Perhaps the following hadith can make this point clear.

'Umar bin Al-Khattab, said, "I advise you to fulfill Allah's Convention (made with the Dhimmis) as it is the convention of your Prophet and the source of the livelihood of your dependents (i.e. the taxes from the Dhimmis.) " Bukhari 4, 53, 388

Once Islam becomes dominant the whole system will fall apart. The Western countries will become unproductive and poor and there would be no money to support the social safety net anyway.

Comparing Europe to Troy, Fallaci poses as Cassandra and cries, “Troy will burn, Troy will burn”. The Europeans would ignore her warning at their own risk. I would add the caveat that Islamic immigration is the Trojan horse.

Dear Mr. Taheri, let us tell these people the truth. Let us be honest to them. They and their civilization are in grave danger. You know that, I know that, Fallaci knows it too. Our country Iran was lost to Islam 1400 years ago. Here I have sought refuge. Here is my sanctuary. I will not let it fall to Islamic insanity. This is my last bastion. West is humanity’s last hope. I will protect it. I will fight against lies and deceits. I will not let mankind succumb to this cult of terror. I will expose Islam. I urge you dear Mr. Taheri; please do not be part of the Islamic game deception. Do not dissimulate the truth. Do not lull people with false sense of security. The danger is looming. Muslims are incapable of rational thought. They are diseased with Islam. Those who follow Muhammad can’t be trusted. They don’t care about Mankind; they don’t care about progress; they even don’t care about their own lives. They don’t care about anything. The only thing they care about is to make the cult of Muhammad dominant, whether by hooks or by crooks. Yes sure, they are victims, but dangerous nonetheless. Muslims will not learn our ways. They will not integrate in our world. If we do nothing they will swallow ours. Mankind has no future, unless we stop the spread of Islam. This disease is carried by Muslims. We must either cure them or keep them in quarantine. They should not be given respite to spread their sickness around."

- Ali Sina, Apostate of Islam

So you have a quote by a disillusioned soul that does not think highly of Islam. Your point?
And what exactly does it have to do with the title of your post?

A little hint: You're not going to get a good discussion going if you keep lumping people you hate into one big conspiracy.

[counter-troll mode]

Die filthy heretic!

Don't feed the troll...

Are you part of the BNP?

So you have a quote by a disillusioned soul that does not think highly of Islam. Your point?

Oh dear, how 'dissilusiioned' of me, I must be an idiot to see quotes from the Hadiths and Quran that promote violence, war, rape, torture et al and think that ergo Islam must promote this.

A little hint: You're not going to get a good discussion going if you keep lumping people you hate into one big conspiracy.
Why not? It's right-wing trolls against a world united against them. Why do you think they don't move out of their mom's house or make friends. There's a big scary world out there filled with homosexuals and muslims and atheists.

Are you part of the BNP?

Can you refute what Mr. Ali Sina, an Iranian Apostaste from Islam has posted?

Oh dear, how 'dissilusiioned' of me, I must be an idiot to see quotes from the Hadiths and Quran that promote violence, war, rape, torture et al and think that ergo Islam must promote this.

You claim to be a Christian, have you read the Old Testiment? Are you saying it in no way speaks of voilence and other horrible acts?

Climb back under your bridge...

Why not? It's right-wing trolls against a world united against them. Why do you think they don't move out of their mom's house or make friends. There's a big scary world out there filled with homosexuals and muslims and atheists.He's not right-wing. He's far-right-wing.

Why not? It's right-wing trolls against a world united against them. Why do you think they don't move out of their mom's house or make friends. There's a big scary world out there filled with homosexuals and muslims and atheists.

Tabari IX:69 “Killing disbelievers is a small matter to us.”
Tabari VIII:141 “The battle cry of the Companions of the Messenger of Allah that night was: ‘Kill! Kill! Kill!’”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their woman and children taken captive.”
Ishaq:489 “Do the bastards think that we are not their equal in fighting? We are men who think that there is no shame in killing.”
Qur’an 2:191 “And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter.”
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
Bukhari:V4B52N270 “Allah’s Messenger said, ‘Who is ready to kill Ashraf? He has said injurious things about Allah and His Apostle.’ Maslama got up saying, ‘Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet proclaimed, ‘Yes.’ Maslama said, ‘Then allow me to lie so that I will be able to deceive him.’ Muhammad said, ‘You may do so.’”
Ishaq:368 “Ka’b’s body was left prostrate [humbled in submission]. After his fall, all of the Nadir Jews were brought low. Sword in hand we cut him down. By Muhammad’s order we were sent secretly by night. Brother killing brother. We lured him to his death with guile [cunning or deviousness]. Traveling by night, bold as lions, we went into his home. We made him taste death with our deadly swords. We sought victory for the religion of the Prophet.”
Tabari VII:97/Ishaq:368 “We carried Ka’b’s head and brought it to Muhammad during the night. We saluted him as he stood praying and told him that we had slain Allah’s enemy. When he came out to us we cast Ashraf’s head before his feet. The Prophet praised Allah that the poet had been assassinated and complimented us on the good work we had done in Allah’s Cause. Our attack upon Allah’s enemy cast terror among the Jews, and there was no Jew in Medina who did not fear for his life.’”
Tabari VII:97 “The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, ‘Kill any Jew who falls under your power.’”
Ishaq:369 “Thereupon Mas’ud leapt upon Sunayna, one of the Jewish merchants with whom his family had social and commercial relations and killed him. The Muslim’s brother complained, saying, ‘Why did you kill him? You have much fat in you belly from his charity.’ Mas’ud answered, ‘By Allah, had Muhammad ordered me to murder you, my brother, I would have cut off your head.’ Wherein the brother said, ‘Any religion that can bring you to this is indeed wonderful!’ And he accepted Islam.”

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”
Tabari VIII:122/Ishaq:515 “The Prophet gave orders concerning Kinanah to Zubayr, saying, ‘Torture him until you root out and extract what he has. So Zubayr kindled a fire on Kinanah’s chest, twirling it with his firestick until Kinanah was near death. Then the Messenger gave him to Maslamah, who beheaded him.”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “Ali burnt some [former Muslims alive] and this news reached Ibn Abbas, who said, ‘Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, “Don’t punish with Allah’s Punishment.” No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, “If a Muslim discards his Islamic religion, kill him.”’”
Qur’an 48:27 “If the Muslims had not been there, We would have punished the unbelievers with a grievous torture.”
Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Ishaq:550 “The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling.”
Qur’an 9:71 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Qur’an 4:168 “Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.”
Qur’an 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”
Ishaq:344 “We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren’t Muslims must go there. It will consume them while the Stoker [Allah] increases the heat. They had called Allah’s Apostle a liar. They claimed, ‘You are nothing but a sorcerer.’ So Allah destroyed them.”
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
Qur’an 33:64 “Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers [whom he defines as Christians in the 5th surah] and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever. No protector will they find, nor savior. That Day their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire. They will say: ‘Woe to us! We should have obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!’ ‘Our Lord! Give them double torment and curse them with a very great Curse!’”
Qur’an 5:10 “Those who reject, disbelieve and deny Our signs, proofs and verses will be companions of Hell-Fire.”
Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”
Bukhari:V1B11N617 “I would order someone to collect firewood and another to lead prayer. Then I would burn the houses of men who did not present themselves at the compulsory prayer and prostration.”
Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. Certainly I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’”

You claim to be a Christian, have you read the Old Testiment? Are you saying it in no way speaks of voilence and other horrible acts?

Climb back under your bridge...

I think the old testament is BULLSH1T i only believe in the new testament as that is what christianity is all about, the teachings of christ.

So yeah. More trolling then.

A little hint: You're not going to get a good discussion going if you keep lumping people you hate into one big conspiracy.

It's worked for all threads that mentioned Bush/America... :D

I think the old testament is BULLSH1T i only believe in the new testament as that is what christianity is all about, the teachings of christ.

And Christ was supposed to have taught love, forgiveness, compassion and respect for your fellow human beings. Might I suggest you read up on it again, then?

Atheist-Islamic Alliance? What are you smoking? If you need suggestions, just ask.

I think the old testament is BULLSH1T i only believe in the new testament as that is what christianity is all about, the teachings of christ.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Christ himself is on record as having said that he came to fulfill the Old Testament, no? Thus his opinion of the worth of the OT and yours seem to be strangely at odds for a self-proclaimed Christian.

So yeah. More trolling then.

Indeed, the fact you cannot rebut anything I have posted proves this then?

Oh dear, how 'dissilusiioned' of me, I must be an idiot to see quotes from the Hadiths and Quran that promote violence, war, rape, torture et al and think that ergo Islam must promote this.
And yet somehow 99.99% of muslims have never committed an act of terrorism and live fairly secular lives. I guess they aren't real muslims though.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but Christ himself is on record as having said that he came to fulfill the Old Testament, no? Thus his opinion of the worth of the OT and yours seem to be strangely at odds for a self-proclaimed Christian.

Yes but one can use it as a reference point, no further, for example, sermon on the mount christ goes:

"you have been told an eye for an eye, but i tell you......."

he purposefully contradicts it.

And yet somehow 99.99% of muslims have never committed an act of terrorism and live fairly secular lives. I guess they aren't real muslims though.

My quarrel is with The ideology of islam, which is wreaking havocs in islamic states right now.The people do not concern me, it is the religiopolitical ideology of Islam.

Ali Sina, Apostate of Islam

Ali Sina is a well known shall we say "personality" on the Internet who has been proven false in his assertions and has never won a debate when challenged. The guy is some Canadian taxi driver who runs a site called "Faith Freedom" and has been discredited more times than Dan Rather!

Yes but one can use it as a reference point, no further, for example, sermon on the mount christ goes:

"you have been told an eye for an eye, but i tell you......."

he purposefully contradicts it.

He doesn't call it 'BULLSHIT' though does he? He doesn't reject it entirely out of hand though does he?

My quarrel is with The ideology of islam, which is wreaking havocs in islamic states right now.The people do not concern me, it is the religiopolitical ideology of Islam.

If you are not concerned with the people, then why are you concerned with the states they live in?

I think the old testament is BULLSH1T i only believe in the new testament as that is what christianity is all about, the teachings of christ.

You have to be kidding me! Without the old testament you lose all credentials for Jesus! You call it bullshit yet it is in your bible. You my friend, are a moron.

Ali Sina is a well known shall we say "personality" on the Internet who has been proven false in his assertions and has never won a debate when challenged. The guy is some Canadian taxi driver who runs a site called "Faith Freedom" and has been discredited more times than Dan Rather!

He is a Iranian ex-Muslim living in Canada with a Doctorate.

He has pretty much won all his debates, check out:

http://faithfreedom.org/debates/tanveer4.htm

He detroyed Tanveer there, you have to be pretty blind to see he didn't win that debate hands down.

I assume you are an atheist?

Indeed, the fact you cannot rebut anything I have posted proves this then?


No the fact that you wont last very long before getting banned proves it.

And yet somehow 99.99% of muslims have never committed an act of terrorism and live fairly secular lives. I guess they aren't real muslims though.

Exactly. Most Muslims I've meat have been kind and pretty placid. Of course your gonna get people who twist their religion to justify their own cruelty, Christians have done this more than any other religion in history, but that doesn't mean I judge all Christians as evil. No, they are indiviudal people.

If you are not concerned with the people, then why are you concerned with the states they live in?

I was talking about 'My Quarrel' of course I care for the people in a humanitarian perspective, but my 'quarrel' is with Islam itself.

Can somebody please refute the verses I posted so we can actually get down to some debating or is this just going to be repetitive character assasination by Atheists with insanely unsubtle double standards?

Exactly. Most Muslims I've meat have been kind and pretty placid. Of course your gonna get people who twist their religion to justify their own cruelty, Christians have done this more than any other religion in history, but that doesn't mean I judge all Christians as evil. No, they are indiviudal people.

Actually, no, you don't have to 'twist' Islam, its right there in the Hadiths, The Sunnah and The Quran itself.

My quarrel is with The ideology of islam, which is wreaking havocs in islamic states right now.The people do not concern me, it is the religiopolitical ideology of Islam.

I beg to disagree that anything is wrong with the "religiopolitical" ideology of Islam, considering the Islamic empire was nearly 4 times bigger than the Roman Empire. Look at how Islamic Spain influenced Europe and our present society. There is no true Islamic government anymore, instead Islam is everywhere in all people of all types. Most of those people who claim to be Muslim are not, and are riddled with hate and trouble due to outside and inside circumstances. It seems someone visits answering-islam.com too much.

He is a Iranian ex-Muslim living in Canada with a Doctorate.

He has pretty much won all his debates, check out:

http://faithfreedom.org/debates/tanveer4.htm

He detroyed Tanveer there, you have to be pretty blind to see he didn't win that debate hands down.

I assume you are an atheist?

First of all Ali Sina lies. I have spoken to him many times. And he has been known to change or alter text of his online debates. He has no Doctorate, again, another lie. He's a taxi driver. Although he does claim to be Iranian. Pretty much he runs a hate site.

Actually, no, you don't have to 'twist' Islam, its right there in the Hadiths, The Sunnah and The Quran itself.Just like National Socialist German Workers' Party is right there in your name?

UNSDAP you will find no suport amonge these people, but I agree with you at least.

Can somebody please refute the verses I posted so we can actually get down to some debating or is this just going to be repetitive character assasination by Atheists with insanely unsubtle double standards?

If you hadn't been so blatantly trolling about 'sodomites' and 'trannies' five minutes ago, then we might all have found it easier to take you somewhat more seriously.

Anyhow, as a self-proclaimed Christian surely your appropriate course of action has been told to you... 'to love your God with your whole heart and your neighbor as yourself'?

First of all Ali Sina lies. I have spoken to him many times. And he has been known to change or alter text of his online debates. He has no Doctorate, again, another lie. He's a taxi driver. Although he does claim to be Iranian. Pretty much he runs a hate site.

You simply don't have to lie to prove the Quran promotes the aforementioned things, because they are *in* the Quran:

Qur’an 9:71 “O Prophet, strive hard [fighting] against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be harsh with them. Their abode is Hell, an evil refuge indeed.”
Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them.”
Qur’an 4:168 “Those who reject [Islamic] Faith, Allah will not forgive them nor guide them to any path except the way to Hell, to dwell therein forever. And this to Allah is easy.”
Qur’an 4:114 “He who disobeys the Apostle after guidance has been revealed will burn in Hell.”
Ishaq:344 “We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren’t Muslims must go there. It will consume them while the Stoker [Allah] increases the heat. They had called Allah’s Apostle a liar. They claimed, ‘You are nothing but a sorcerer.’ So Allah destroyed them.”
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
Qur’an 33:64 “Verily Allah has cursed the Unbelievers [whom he defines as Christians in the 5th surah] and has prepared for them a Blazing Fire to dwell in forever. No protector will they find, nor savior. That Day their faces will be turned upside down in the Fire. They will say: ‘Woe to us! We should have obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!’ ‘Our Lord! Give them double torment and curse them with a very great Curse!’”
Qur’an 5:10 “Those who reject, disbelieve and deny Our signs, proofs and verses will be companions of Hell-Fire.”
Qur’an 88:1 “Has the narration reached you of the overwhelming (calamity)? Some faces (all disbelievers, Jews and Christians) that Day, will be humiliated, downcast, scorched by the burning fire, while they are made to drink from a boiling hot spring.”
Bukhari:V1B11N617 “I would order someone to collect firewood and another to lead prayer. Then I would burn the houses of men who did not present themselves at the compulsory prayer and prostration.”
Bukhari:V1B11N626 “The Prophet said, ‘No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr. If they knew the reward they would come to (the mosque) even if they had to crawl. Certainly I decided to order a man to lead the prayer and then take a flame to burn all those who had not left their houses for the prayer, burning them alive inside their homes.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N260 “The Prophet said, ‘If a Muslim discards his religion, kill him.’”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends.”
Qur’an 74:31 “We have appointed nineteen angels to be the wardens of the Hell Fire. We made a stumbling-block for those who disbelieve and We have fixed their number as a trial for unbelievers in order that the People of the Book may arrive with certainty, and that no doubts may be left for the People of the Book, those in whose hearts is a disease.”
Bukhari:V4B54N487 “The Prophet said, ‘The Hell Fire is 69 times hotter than ordinary worldly fires.’ So someone said, ‘Allah’s Apostle, wouldn’t this ordinary fire have been sufficient to torture the unbelievers?’”
Qur’an 72:15 “The disbelievers are the firewood of hell.”
Qur’an 72:17 “If any turns away from the reminder of his Lord (the Qur’an), He will thrust him into an ever growing torment, and cause for him a severe penalty.”
Qur’an 72:25 “Whoever disobeys the Lord and His Messenger then there is for him the fire of Hell where they shall abide forever.”
Qur’an 88:21 “You are not a warden over them; except for those who turn away and disbelieve, in which case, he will be punished with the severest punishment. Verily to Us they will return.”
Qur’an 90:19 “But those who reject Our Signs, Proofs, and Verses, they are the unhappy Companions of the Left Hand. Fire will be their awning, vaulting over them.”
Qur’an 95:4 “We have indeed created man in the best molds. Then do We abase him, reducing him to be the lowest of the low, except such as believe.”
Tabari VIII:130 “The Messenger said, ‘Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.’ Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: ‘Allah has given permission for you to be expelled.”
Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”
Qur’an 66:9 “O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelieving Infidels and the Hypocrites; be severe against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil resort.”
Qur’an 60:1 “Believers, take not my enemies and yours as allies, offering them love, even though they have rejected the truth that has come to you, and have driven out the Prophet and you because you believe in Allah! If you have come out to struggle [fight jihad] in My Cause, and to seek My Pleasure, (take them not as friends), holding secret converse of love with them: for I am aware of all you conceal. And any of you that does this has strayed from the Straight Path. If they were to get the better of you, they would be your foes, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil (designs).”
Qur’an 60:5 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.’”
Qur’an 48:13 “If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!”
Qur’an 48:28 “It is He Who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam), that he may make it superior to every other religion, exalting it over them. Allah is a sufficient Witness. Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah. Those who are with him are severe with Infidel unbelievers.”
Qur’an 47:3 “Those who disbelieve follow vanities, while those who believe follow truth from their Lord: Thus does Allah coin for men their similitudes [resemblances] as a lesson. Whoever denies faith [in Islam and Muhammad], his work is of no account, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.”
Qur’an 9:2 “You cannot weaken Allah or escape. Allah will disgrace the unbelievers and put those who reject Him to shame.”
Qur’an 9:4 “You cannot escape Allah, weaken or frustrate Him. And proclaim a grievous penalty of a painful doom to those who reject [Islamic] Faith.”
Qur’an 9:17 “The disbelievers have no right to visit the mosques of Allah while bearing witness against their own souls to infidelity. These it is whose doings are in vain, and in the fire shall they abide. Only he shall visit the mosques of Allah who believes in Allah and the latter day, and keeps up devotional obligations, pays the zakat, and fears none but Allah.”
Qur’an 9:28 “Believers, truly the pagan disbelievers are unclean.”
Qur’an 9:30 “The Jews call Uzair (Ezra) the son of Allah, and the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying from their mouths; they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s (Himself) fights against them, cursing them, damning and destroying them. How perverse are they!”
Qur’an 9:33 “He has sent His Messenger (Muhammad) with guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam) to make it superior over all religions, even though the disbelievers detest (it).”
Qur’an 9:63 “Know they not that for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger is the Fire of Hell wherein they shall dwell? That is the supreme disgrace.”
Qur’an 9:66 “Make no excuses: you have rejected Faith after you had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for they are disbelievers.”
Qur’an 9:113 “It is not fitting for the Prophet and those who believe, that they should pray for the forgiveness for disbelievers, even though they be close relatives, after it is clear to them that they are the inmates of the Flaming Hell Fire.”
Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.” Qur’an 5:80 “You see many of them allying themselves with the Unbelievers [other translations read: “Infidels”]. Vile indeed are their souls. Allah’s wrath is on them, and in torment will they abide.”
Qur’an 5:82 “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”
Qur’an 5:86 “Those who reject Islam and are disbelievers, denying our Signs and Revelations —they shall be the owners of the Hell Fire.”
Tabari IX:78 “No polytheist shall come near the Holy Mosque, and no one shall circumambulate Allah’s House naked.”
Ishaq:246 “Hypocrites used to assemble in the mosque and listen to the stories of the Muslims and laugh and scoff at their religion. So Muhammad ordered that they should be ejected. They were thrown out with great violence. Abu went to Amr, took his foot and dragged him out of the mosque. Another Muslim slapped a man’s face while dragging him forcefully, knocking him down. One was pulled violently by his hair. ‘Don’t come near the Apostle’s mosque again, for you are unclean.’ The first hundred verses of the Cow surah came down in reference to these Jewish rabbis and Hypocrites.”
Ishaq:262 “Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur’an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse.”
Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”
Ishaq:245 “The Apostle used to say, ‘Their religion will never march with ours.’”
Bukhari:V4B52N288 “Expel disbelievers from the Arabian Peninsula.’”
Qur’an 2:191 “Slay them wherever you find and catch them, and drive them out from where they have turned you out; for persecution and oppression are worse than slaughter.”
Qur’an 33:25 “Allah drove the disbelievers back...and helped the believers in battle.... He terrorized the People of the Book so that you killed some and made many captive.”
Tabari IX:167 “Muhammad waged war against the false prophets [slitting his own wrists would have done nicely] by sending messengers with instructions to get rid of them by artful contrivance [plot or machination].”
Bukhari:V5B59N727 “When Allah’s Apostle became seriously sick, he started covering his face with a woolen sheet. When he felt short of breath, he removed it, and said, ‘That is so! Allah’s curse be on Jews and Christians.’”
Qur’an 21:98 “Verily you (disbelieving Infidels), and the gods that you worship besides Allah, are the fuel for Hell, faggots for the fire! Certainly you will enter it! Had their (idols) been (real) alihah (gods), they would have kept them out of Hell. Therein, sobbing will be your lot. Breathing with deep sighs, roaring. You will hear nothing but wailing and groaning.”
Qur’an 18:103 “Say: ‘Shall we inform you of who will be the greatest losers? …Those who reject my Revelations… Hell is their reward, because they rejected Islam, and took My proofs, verses, and lessons, and those of My Messengers by way of jest in mockery.’”
Qur’an 52:9 “On the Day when heaven will heave in dreadful shaking, trembling, and mountains will fly hither and thither, woe to those who reject [me], that play in shallow trifles and sport in vain discourses. That Day they will be pushed down by force, thrust with a horrible thrust into the Fire of Hell. Unable to resist, they shall be driven to the fire with violence.”
Qur’an 40:10 “Lo, those who disbelieve will be informed by proclamation: ‘Verily Allah’s abhorrence is more terrible than your aversion to yourselves. Allah’s hatred of you is terrible, seeing that you were called to the Faith [of submission] and you refused.’”
Qur’an 40:35 “Those who dispute the Signs and Verses of Allah without any authority, grievous and odious, hateful and disgusting, is it in the sight of Allah and the Believers.’”
Ishaq:185 “Adam reviewed the spirits of his offspring. The infidels excited his disgust. I saw men with lips like camels. In their hands were pieces of fire like stones which they thrust into their mouths. They came out their posteriors.”
Qur’an 20:48 “Verily it has been revealed to us that the Penalty of Doom awaits those who reject and deny.”
Qur’an 20:100 “Whoever turns from it, he shall bear a burden on the Day of Doom. Grievous evil will the load on them. We shall gather the Mujrimun (disbeliever) blue or blind-eyed with thirst.... My Lord will blast them and scatter them as dust.”
Qur’an 21:06 “Not one of the populations which We destroyed believed: will these believe? ...So we saved whom We pleased, and We destroyed the disbelievers.”
Qur’an 21:10 “Verily, We have sent down for you a Book in which is your reminder. Have you then no sense? How many towns have We utterly destroyed because of their wrongs, exchanging them for other people? When they (felt) Our Torment, behold, they (began to) fly. Fly not, but return to that which emasculated you so that you may be interrogated. They cried: ‘Woe to us!’ Their crying did not cease till We mowed them down as ashes silent and quenched.”
Qur’an 21:98 “Verily you (unbelievers), and that which you worship besides Allah, are faggots for the Hell Fire! And come to it you will! There, sobbing and groaning will be your lot.”
Qur’an 46:20 “On that Day the unbelievers will be placed before the Fire: ‘You squandered your good things in this life and you sought comfort from them, but today shall you be rewarded with a penalty of humiliation.’”
Qur’an 59:4 “If any one resists Allah, verily Allah is severe in Punishment, stern in reprisal.”
Ishaq:249 “Fear Hell, whose fuel is men and stones prepared for the infidels.’”
Qur’an 2:39 “Those who reject and deny Our Signs will be inmates of the Hell Fire and will abide there forever.”
Qur’an 2:99 “We have sent down to you Manifest Signs; and none reject them but those who are perverse.”
Qur’an 2:71 “The semblance of the infidels is one who shouts to one who cannot hear. They are deaf, dumb, and blind. They make no sense.”
Qur’an 2:174 “Those who conceal Allah’s revelations in the [Bible] Scripture Book, and thus make a miserable profit thereby [selling it to Muhammad], swallow Fire into themselves; Allah will not address them. Grievous will be their doom.” Qur’an 2:175 “They are the ones who bartered away guidance for error and Torment in place of Forgiveness. Ah, what boldness (they show) for the Fire! (Their doom is) because Allah sent down the Book in truth but those who seek causes of dispute in the Book are in a schism of great opposition.”
Qur’an 2:256 “There is no compulsion in religion.” Qur’an 4:90 “If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them.”
Bukhari:V5B59N572 “O Muslims, take not My enemies as friends, offering them kindness when they reject Allah, the Prophet Muhammad, and his Qur’an. And whoever does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray. You have come out to fight in My Cause, seeking My acceptance so do not be friendly with them, even in secret.” [60:1]
Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.” Qur’an 8:13 “This because they rejected Allah and defied His Messenger. If anyone opposes Allah and His Messenger, Allah shall be severe in punishment. That is the torment: ‘So taste the punishment. For those infidels who resist there is the torment of Hell.’”
Qur’an 8:20 “Those who do not obey are the worst of beasts, the vilest of animals in the sight of Allah. They are deaf and dumb. Those who do not understand are senseless.”
Qur’an 8:36 “The unbelievers spend their wealth to hinder (man) from the Way of Allah, and so will they continue to spend; but in the end they will have intense regrets and sighs. It will become an anguish for them, then they will be subdued. The unbelievers shall be driven into hell in order that Allah may distinguish the bad from the good and separate them. Allah wants to heap the wicked one over the other and cast them into Hell. They are the losers.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Qur’an 8:40 “If people are obstinate, and refuse to surrender, know Allah is your Supporter.”
Qur’an 8:50 “If you could have seen the infidels when the angels drew away their souls, striking their faces and smiting their backs. The angels said: ‘Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire.’”
Qur’an 8:52 “They denied and rejected the revelations of Allah, and Allah destroyed them, punishing them for their crimes: for Allah is strict, severe in punishment.”
Ishaq:231 “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”
Ishaq:363 “Say to those who do not believe you: ‘You will be vanquished and gathered into Hell, an evil resting place.’”
Qur’an 61:7 “Who does greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against Allah, even as he is being summoned to Submission? And Allah guides not the disbelievers. Their intention is to extinguish Allah’s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete His Light, even though the Unbelievers detest (it). It is He Who has sent His Messenger with Guidance and the Religion of Truth (Islam), that he may make it conquer all religion, even though the disbelievers hate (it).”
Qur’an 2:104 “To those who don’t submit there is a grievous punishment.”
Qur’an 3:4 “As a guidance to mankind, He sent down the criterion (to judge between right and wrong). Truly, for those who deny the proofs and signs of Allah, the torture will be severe; Allah is powerful, the Lord of Retribution.”
Qur’an 3:10 “As for those who deny [Islam], neither their wealth nor their children will help them in the least against Allah. They shall be faggots for the fire of Hell.”
Qur’an 3:11 “The punishment of Allah is severe. So tell the unbelieving infidels: ‘You will surely be vanquished, seized by Allah, and driven to Hell. How bad a preparation.’”
Qur’an 3:26 “You [Allah] exalt whom You please and debase and humiliate whom You will. Those who believe should not take unbelievers as their friends…guard yourselves from them.… Allah commands you to beware of Him.”
Qur’an 3:32 “Say: ‘Obey Allah and His Messenger;’ If they refuse, remember Allah does not like unbelieving infidels.”
Qur’an 3:55 “Allah said, ‘Jesus, I will take you and raise you to Myself and rid you of the infidels (who have forged the lie that you are My son).… Those who are infidels will surely receive severe torment both in this world and the next; and none will they have as a savior for them.”
Qur’an 3:61 “If anyone disputes with you about Jesus being divine, flee them and pray that Allah will curse them.”
Qur’an 3:62 “This is the true account, the true narrative, the true explanation: There is no Ilah (God) except Allah; and Allah—He is the Mighty. And if they turn away, then lo! Allah is aware of the corrupters, the mischief-makers. Say: ‘People of the Book, come to common terms as an agreement between us and you: That we all shall worship none but Allah.’”
Qur’an 3:84 “Say (Muhammad): ‘We believe in Allah and that which is revealed to us and that which was revealed unto Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes [of Israel], and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered, bowing our will (in Islam).’”
Qur’an 3:85 “If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (Surrender), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who are losers.” Qur’an 3:87 “Of such, the reward is the curse of Allah, of His angels, and of all men, all together. Their penalty of doom will not be lightened.”
Qur’an 3:118 “Believers! Take not into your intimacy those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, and Christians). They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin. Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths. What their hearts conceal is far worse. When they are alone, they bite off the very tips of their fingers at you in their rage. Say unto them: ‘Perish in your rage.’”
Qur’an 3:141 “This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving infidels.” [Another translation:] “Allah’s object is to purge those that are true in Faith and blight the disbelievers. This is so that Allah may test the faithful and destroy the unbelieving infidels.”
Qur’an 3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”
Qur’an 33:8 “He has prepared for the Unbelievers a grievous Penalty.”
Qur’an 33:58 “And those who annoy or malign Muslims bear (on themselves) a crime of calumny and a glaring sin.”
Qur’an 24:39 “For those who disbelieve, their deeds are like a mirage in the desert. There is no water for the thirsty. He only finds Allah, who will pay him his due in Hell.”
Qur’an 23:40 “Soon they will regret. Torment and an awful cry will overtake them. We have made such men rubbish, like rotting plants. So away with the people.”
Qur’an 24:57 “Never think that the unbelievers can escape in the land. Their abode is Fire!”
Qur’an 4:12 “Those who disobey Allah and His Messenger and transgress His limits will be admitted to a Fire, to abide therein: And they shall have a humiliating punishment.”

Actually, no, you don't have to 'twist' Islam, its right there in the Hadiths, The Sunnah and The Quran itself.

Most of the quotes you placed down I will bet you stole from other hate sites. Ever actually studied Islam for yourself? Probable not Why don't you start STATING THE ENTIRE SURAH. Stop taking things out of context and show the entire text.

First of all Ali Sina lies. I have spoken to him many times. And he has been known to change or alter text of his online debates. He has no Doctorate, again, another lie. He's a taxi driver. Although he does claim to be Iranian. Pretty much he runs a hate site.

Why, you, of all people, a committed practiscing Atheist, who attacks Christianity virulenty would stick up for Islam? It's kind of pathetic. And it reeks of double standards.

UNSDAP you will find no suport amonge these people, but I agree with you at least.I recall you claiming you weren't a Nazi. Why'd you change your mind?

Ali Sina Caught Lying Again! (http://www.examinethetruth.com/ali_sina_lies.htm)

The guy is a fraud.

Dude, find a real hobby.

Ali Sina Caught Lying Again! (http://www.examinethetruth.com/ali_sina_lies.htm)

The guy is a fraud.

Dude, find a real hobby.

I've gotta second Steph on this one. The guy seemingly has less credibility than Morton Downey, Jr.

I think the old testament is BULLSH1T i only believe in the new testament as that is what christianity is all about, the teachings of christ.

Interesting that you get to pick and choose which parts of the Bible to pay attention to, but you think all Islam adheres to every sentence in the Koran regardless of context.

Interesting in that "hypocrites burn in Hell" way. Or I bet you ignored that part of the Bible too. Very nice!

Quit trolling.

Most of the quotes you placed down I will bet you stole from other hate sites. Ever actually studied Islam for yourself? Probable not Why don't you start STATING THE ENTIRE SURAH. Stop taking things out of context and show the entire text.

Ok, sorry in Surah 5:33, I only quote

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, is: execution"

The full Surah reads:

5:33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; [Anyone who disbeliefs in Islam and speaks against it is considered to be waging war against Allah and his messenger"

Most of the quotes you placed down I will bet you stole from other hate sites. Ever actually studied Islam for yourself? Probable not Why don't you start STATING THE ENTIRE SURAH. Stop taking things out of context and show the entire text.


No shit.

Almost all religions have the same moral code, so essentially they are not all that different.

No shit.

Almost all religions have the same moral code, so essentially they are not all that different.

eisai ellinas?

Why, you, of all people, a committed practiscing Atheist, who attacks Christianity virulenty would stick up for Islam? It's kind of pathetic. And it reeks of double standards.

Islam offers answers to all people, even Atheist. Christianity has become a power group and seeks to force feed the masses. Not all Christians are like this as I have many great Christian friends, but you my friend are a disgrace to the religion. You have no proved anything but list Surah after Surah, flooding a page. Most of the Surah's aren't even complete, as you have lied and removed almost every important part of the subject Surah. You are not being as a true Christian is to be. I can only pray that god will open your eyes.

Islam offers answers to all people, even Atheist. Christianity has become a power group and seeks to force feed the masses. Not all Christians are like this as I have many great Christian friends, but you my friend are a disgrace to the religion. You have no proved anything but list Surah after Surah, flooding a page. Most of the Surah's aren't even complete, as you have lied and removed almost every important part of the subject Surah. You are not being as a true Christian is to be. I can only pray that god will open your eyes.

Then, there is a simple answer, you prove me wrong on say, six surahs of what I have posted, because, after all, if I lie, and quote out of context, it is easy to prove so, no?

Ok, sorry in Surah 5:33, I only quote

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, is: execution"

The full Surah reads:

5:33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; [Anyone who disbeliefs in Islam and speaks against it is considered to be waging war against Allah and his messenger"

WHO WAGE WAR AGAINST ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER. This is a statement particular and most importantly during the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) time. It says to punish those who cause Mischief (this is to be taken seriously) , which is literal trouble with the people. Murders, thieves etc. And no, that did not say anything about SPEAKS.

I personally have no opinion on the Islamic religion. I just know that Ali Sina is full of shit.

Seriously, have you ever just researched Islam? It seems you have a very harsh feeling towards it, for whatever reason. Have you actually took your statements and looked for an answer from a Muslim? Probable not. You are secure in your belief that Islam is wrong and bad, sadly. Those who commit acts of Terror are not Muslims, as Islam proclaimed a war on terror 1500 years ago. Those terrorists should be executed for their crimes, no matter the circumstances. It is a crime not just against those they have sought to kill, but against humanity. They are not Muslim. They are probable taking things out of context as you are, to further and justify their means.

I recall you claiming you weren't a Nazi. Why'd you change your mind?

I have no respect for Islam, and it is the sourch of many problems. Call me what you wish acording to that statment.

WHO WAGE WAR AGAINST ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER. This is a statement particular and most importantly during the time of Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) time. It says to punish those who cause Mischief (this is to be taken seriously) , which is literal trouble with the people. Murders, thieves etc. And no, that did not say anything about SPEAKS.
Like the poets and others that Mohammed had assasinated because they were saying bad things about him in their poetry?

Bukhari:V5B59N369 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.’”

Is it not also true Mohammed married a 6 year old and had sex with her when he was nine?

I personally have no opinion on the Islamic religion. I just know that Ali Sina is full of shit.

Now, thats kind of contradictory in a sense, maybe he is full of shit about his personal life, perhaps, but ergo, if you claim this is a general sense, he is also full of shit on what he writes about Islam something you have 'no opinion on'. Kind of strange, considering that you don't know a thing about it.

So UNDSP you going to answer my comment on being a hypocrite, or do you (as a troll) enjoy playing the "LA LA LA LA I can't heeeeear you" game whenever you get criticisms that home closely in on the truth? Kind of like how you ignore parts of the Bible that don't suit your supposed beliefs.

So UNDSP you going to answer my comment on being a hypocrite, or do you (as a troll) enjoy playing the "LA LA LA LA I can't heeeeear you" game whenever you get criticisms that home closely in on the truth? Kind of like how you ignore parts of the Bible that don't suit your supposed beliefs.

No, one must use it as a reference point, if Christ says in the New Testament, or echoes that, a specific teaching is true, then fine. But your comment on the hypocrite thing, I believe that the sermon concerning lovings ones enemies, and 'giving your cloak also', contradicts this, so I don't follow it. Now, can you refute what I have posted about islam, you Islamic Apologist?

I have no respect for Islam, and it is the sourch of many problems. Call me what you wish acording to that statment.
Well, I was calling you a Nazi because you're banding together with someone that calls themselves UNSDAP, and not because you hate Islam.

Like the poets and others that Mohammed had assasinated because they were saying bad things about him in their poetry?

Bukhari:V5B59N369 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘Who is willing to kill Ka’b bin Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?’ Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslamah got up saying, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! Would you like me to kill him?’ The Prophet said, ‘Yes,’ Maslamah said, ‘Then allow me to say false things in order to deceive him.’ The Prophet said, ‘You may say such things.’”

Is it not also true Mohammed married a 6 year old and had sex with her when he was nine?

Yes this is true. Do you know what the false things he said were? He cursed at the Prophet peace be upon him and called him many horrible things. He did this so that man can think that he really left Islam and turned against the Prophet peace be upon him. The Prophet peace be upon him gave him permission to do this. This is normal and there is nothing wrong with it. If a cop goes undercover ofcourse he will lie and say he does drugs, hates the police, steals kills etc.

All the stories circulating on the Internet and in the hadiths books about Aisha's marriage at age of 6 or 9, are no more than lies found in the corrupted books of Hadiths and completely contradict the teachings of the prophet Muhammed that came from his mouth, the Glorious Quran. We only need to read the Quran to know how false these stories are.

All information relevant to our salvation and our eternal life in the Hereafter is contained in the Quran. The true believers accept, without hesitation, God's assertion: ``We did not leave anything out of this book.'' Therefore if something cannot be found in the Quran, it is only because God knows it is not directly related to our salvation per se It is left out because God out of His mercy left it to us to decide for ourselves how to do it in a manner most pleasing to God and to our community, since we will be living in different communities with different customs and traditions. We should not by any mean or at any price violate God's laws to please our community or our families. God always has to be FIRST.
Some people challenge God's assertion that the Quran is complete, perfect and fully detailed, and they ask questions such as: "But the Quran doesn't say how to cut my nails, or how to sleep, or how to do this and that? I need to know how to do this." The reason why these matters are not mentioned in the Quran, is because they have no importance whatsoever for our salvation, and has absolutely nothing to do with our religion.
God clearly says in 5:6 that He made the religion easy for us. Unfortunately there are so many out there, who are doing their very best to make it difficult.
Coming to your question "where in Quran is the age for marriage for girls (and/or boys) mentioned?", it is not mentioned by numbers in the Quran, but God establishes big clear standards that indicate that marriage can happen when maturity was achieved. As we all know maturity varies from one continent to another, from the hot countries to the cold ones, from one sex to another, and from one civilization to another. God knows that and he deliberately and out of His mercy, did not put an age rule for us. He left it for every community to decide while following the general rules of maturity supplied in the Quran.

As we said before marriage means taking crucial decisions which are essential for a long marital life as per Quran, like taking solemn pledge, ascertaining mutual attraction, agreeing to the dowry (including adjustment thereto), ascertaining whether the opposite person is an idol worshipper or not and many other issues. Further, marriage involves taking serious responsibilities on the part of both the spouses concerning the upbringing of the family, which needs a degree of maturity that can best be judged by the people closer to the individual getting married.

As stated above, with regard to things not specified in the Quran, it does not make any difference to do what one wishes to do as long as the law/s decreed for us in the Quran is/are not violated.

[6:21]
Who is more evil than one who lies about GOD, or rejects His revelations? The transgressors never succeed.

[29:68]
Who is more evil than one who fabricates lies and attributes them to GOD, or rejects the truth when it comes to him? Is Hell not a just retribution for the disbelievers?

No, one must use it as a reference point, if Christ says in the New Testament, or echoes that, a specific teaching is true, then fine. But your comment on the hypocrite thing, I believe that the sermon concerning lovings ones enemies, and 'giving your cloak also', contradicts this, so I don't follow it.

So you pick and choose. As I said.

How is it you get to pick and choose what to believe in but you don't allow anyone else that same capability?


Now, can you refute what I have posted about islam, you Islamic Apologist?

I don't give a crap about what you posted about Islam. You have a problem with me as an atheist, by implying that atheists, muslims, and terrorists are all "allied" somehow. That's a fucking serious charge where I live, but you make it so casually you can only be a troll just intentionally trying to piss people off.

Not very Christ-like, but hey I've already said you're a hypocrite and you make a sad mockery of your own (supposed) beliefs.

I have agree with Santa Barbara on this. You are transgressing and it's pointless to debate with you because you are obviously so full of yourself it's contaminating everything around you. May Allah guide you.

I have agree with Santa Barbara on this. You are transgressing and it's pointless to debate with you because you are obviously so full of yourself it's contaminating everything around you. May Allah guide you.

I just hope allah doesnt guide you to an ammunition depot.

Now, thats kind of contradictory in a sense, maybe he is full of shit about his personal life, perhaps, but ergo, if you claim this is a general sense, he is also full of shit on what he writes about Islam something you have 'no opinion on'. Kind of strange, considering that you don't know a thing about it.


I didn't say I didn't know anything about it, I said I have no opinion about it. Or at least not one I'm willing to share with you. I know Ali Sina.. and I've seen him lie over and over again and get caught time and time again. That was all I was saying.

I just hope allah doesnt guide you to an ammunition depot.

That's funny. lol. But stupid.

You claim to be a Christian, have you read the Old Testiment? Are you saying it in no way speaks of voilence and other horrible acts?

Climb back under your bridge...

Have you read the New Testiment?

Yes this is true. Do you know what the false things he said were? He cursed at the Prophet peace be upon him and called him many horrible things.

Oh dear, my headmaster did that to me at School once, damn, I think I'm going to have to assasinate him!

He did this so that man can think that he really left Islam and turned against the Prophet peace be upon him. The Prophet peace be upon him gave him permission to do this. This is normal and there is nothing wrong with it. If a cop goes undercover ofcourse he will lie and say he does drugs, hates the police, steals kills etc.

Quite a justification for someone who had simply been 'saying bad things'.

All the stories circulating on the Internet and in the hadiths books about Aisha's marriage at age of 6 or 9, are no more than lies found in the corrupted books of Hadiths and completely contradict the teachings of the prophet Muhammed that came from his mouth, the Glorious Quran. We only need to read the Quran to know how false these stories are.

No we don't.

Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)'

Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).

All information relevant to our salvation and our eternal life in the Hereafter is contained in the Quran. The true believers accept, without hesitation, God's assertion: ``We did not leave anything out of this book.''
Certainly, all the information we needed on Mohammed's massacre of The Quraish, the assasinations of his political opponents and those who dare to 'defame' him, and his many wives and sex slaves whom he subjugated, as well as his paedophilia.

Coming to your question "where in Quran is the age for marriage for girls (and/or boys) mentioned?", it is not mentioned by numbers in the Quran, but God establishes big clear standards that indicate that marriage can happen when maturity was achieved.

As we all know maturity varies from one continent to another, from the hot countries to the cold ones,

Indeed, 9 year old Girls are like 20 year old women in Arabia then?

and from one civilization to another.

What exactly do you mean? As soon as the Roman Empire took Carthage, did that mean all Carthiginians suddenly became mature at the age of 12?

Further, marriage involves taking serious responsibilities on the part of both the spouses concerning the upbringing of the family, which needs a degree of maturity that can best be judged by the people closer to the individual getting married.

No, it's mostly only the woman who bears the brunt, Islam permits Husbands to beat their wives, I would like you to read a story about a Turkish Girl that almost brought me to tears:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Yagmur50313.htm

Islam robs mankind of it's humanity.

Why, you, of all people, a committed practiscing Atheist, who attacks Christianity virulenty would stick up for Islam? It's kind of pathetic. And it reeks of double standards.
He isn't defending Islam in particular, he is stating that your source is a liar.

I am a left wing atheist liberal, but I have to agree with the guy who started the thread, and the second to last post before this one. Islam is not right.

I was talking about 'My Quarrel' of course I care for the people in a humanitarian perspective, but my 'quarrel' is with Islam itself.

Can somebody please refute the verses I posted so we can actually get down to some debating or is this just going to be repetitive character assasination by Atheists with insanely unsubtle double standards?

When I get home from work, I will pull out my Qur'an and have at it.