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Allright, on another thread I posted, it was suggested that I, an actor, a liberal, alternately religioned, gothy punk, fetish show performing, marginalized American move to Canada.
I'm actually considering it.
Convince me.
Why Canada?
Why not New Zealand or Australia?
What are the advantages of Canadian citizenship?
Where in Canada should I move to? (Not Quebec...I don't speak French, and they keep trying to leave the country)
And...
How does one go about getting Canadian Citizenship?

Allright, on another thread I posted, it was suggested that I, an actor, a liberal, alternately religioned, gothy punk, fetish show performing, marginalized American move to Canada.
I'm actually considering it.
Convince me.
Why Canada?
Why not New Zealand or Australia?
What are the advantages of Canadian citizenship?
Where in Canada should I move to? (Not Quebec...I don't speak French, and they keep trying to leave the country)
And...
How does one go about getting Canadian Citizenship?
Goodbye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. :D

Allright, on another thread I posted, it was suggested that I, an actor, a liberal, alternately religioned, gothy punk, fetish show performing, marginalized American move to Canada.

Sounds like the US needs you more than Canada does. Stay and fight.

I'd imagine you could find that information (how to secure citizenship) online by googling Canadian Immigration or Canadian citizenship.

I'd imagine you could find that information (how to secure citizenship) online by googling Canadian Immigration or Canadian citizenship.
Yup I pass the test :)

Goodbye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. :D
Not exactly the well thought out point by point discussion I was looking for, but yet, a persuasive argument...
:eek:

Yup I pass the test :)There's a test? :confused:

Sounds like the US needs you more than Canada does. Stay and fight.
Most likely I will...But I am so tired of it all right now. Need to look at options before I go nuts.
Of course...Sweden looks good too...

Most likely I will...But I am so tired of it all right now. Need to look at options before I go nuts.
Of course...Sweden looks good too...You could come to the Germany the NSers have voted for so far. The two smaller major parties are tied for strongest faction :D

There's a test? :confused:
Yeah there is a citizenship test … I found it online once … there was a separate immigration test as well but its been a bit and don’t remember where they are lol

Yeah there is a citizenship test … I found it online once … there was a separate immigration test as well but its been a bit and don’t remember where they are lolOh, I see. Like the American Citizenship test? I answered that one as a German once... :p

What are the flags colors? Black, red, and gold.
How many Stripes does the flag have? Three.
How many Stars does the flag have? Obviously a trick question. None.
Who were our two principle allies during World War 2? Italy and Japan! :D

Oh, I see. Like the American Citizenship test? I answered that one as a German once... :p

What are the flags colors? Black, red, and gold.
How many Stripes does the flag have? Three.
How many Stars does the flag have? Obviously a trick question. None.
Who were our two principle allies during World War 2? Italy and Japan! :D
There is that one (that is citizenship)

There is another one for immigration it is questions about your educational and financial status (well more educational) and your fluency in both English and French and a few other things

The British citizenship test asks all sorts of questions about the appropriate way to drink beer, what to do if you spill another person's pint, and so on.

And you think I'm joking.

Come to the United Kingdom, or as I like to call it, the Disunited Queendom of Not-so-Great Britain and North-Eastern Ireland! Land of beer! Like America, only pissed!

The British citizenship test asks all sorts of questions about the appropriate way to drink beer, what to do if you spill another person's pint, and so on.

And you think I'm joking.

Come to the United Kingdom, or as I like to call it, the Disunited Queendom of Not-so-Great Britain and North-Eastern Ireland! Land of beer! Like America, only pissed!I've already got EU citizenship. Why would I want British citizenship in addition to that? :confused:

Don't flee to Canada, Flee to Saudi Arabia instead! :D

Actually I don't really care where you go. Go to antarctica and try to hug the penguins. Go where you get the most benefit.

The British citizenship test asks all sorts of questions about the appropriate way to drink beer, what to do if you spill another person's pint, and so on.

And you think I'm joking.

Come to the United Kingdom, or as I like to call it, the Disunited Queendom of Not-so-Great Britain and North-Eastern Ireland! Land of beer! Like America, only pissed!
Ooh...Fun!
And I can't stand American Beer either...
American beer is like sex in a canoe.
F**king close to water.
Adding the UK to the list of possabilities.

why would you move to canada instead of one of the places in the US where you would fit right in?

why would you move to canada instead of one of the places in the US where you would fit right in?
Right now, open to any suggestions. But with the current political climate I feel very uneasy pretty much everywhere in the US. The whole country is saturated with politicians spouting on about Christian Family Values, the 10 commandments are still posted in some courtrooms, people who love each other are not allowed to marry and get the benefits that they deserve, and...
Ugh.
I can move to a more liberal area, but they are still being governed by a conservative body overall.
It makes my head hurt. :confused:

May advice is to talk about it a lot, along with your laundry list of complaints about america (they worship this Jesus guy! And no socialized medicine!) to anyone who will pretend to listen, and then do nothing about it. That's what most people are doing and it seems to be working out well for them.

Canadian Immigration (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/)

We'd be happy to have you. :)

Canadian Immigration (http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/)

We'd be happy to have you. :)
There's something wrong with your join date. Wasn't you here in January of 03?

Allright, on another thread I posted, it was suggested that I, an actor, a liberal, alternately religioned, gothy punk, fetish show performing, marginalized American move to Canada.
I'm actually considering it.
Convince me.
Why Canada?
Why not New Zealand or Australia?
What are the advantages of Canadian citizenship?
Where in Canada should I move to? (Not Quebec...I don't speak French, and they keep trying to leave the country)
And...
How does one go about getting Canadian Citizenship?

FREE HEALTH CARE! lol that is when your a citizen

FREE HEALTH CARE! lol that is when your a citizen

:rolleyes:

Right now, open to any suggestions. But with the current political climate I feel very uneasy pretty much everywhere in the US. The whole country is saturated with politicians spouting on about Christian Family Values, the 10 commandments are still posted in some courtrooms, people who love each other are not allowed to marry and get the benefits that they deserve, and...
Ugh.
I can move to a more liberal area, but they are still being governed by a conservative body overall.
It makes my head hurt. :confused:
If you're only moving because you don't like the government, that's a stupid reason. (Unless the government are starving, killing or oppressing you, which they are not.)

The other liberals in the US need you to help them.

Right now, open to any suggestions. But with the current political climate I feel very uneasy pretty much everywhere in the US. The whole country is saturated with politicians spouting on about Christian Family Values, the 10 commandments are still posted in some courtrooms, people who love each other are not allowed to marry and get the benefits that they deserve, and...
Ugh.
I can move to a more liberal area, but they are still being governed by a conservative body overall.
It makes my head hurt. :confused:
An excellent example of the spoiled child psychology: "you're not playing the game by my rules, so I'm going to find someone else to play with." Groan.

FREE HEALTH CARE! lol that is when your a citizen
Not for long, from what I read.

Not for long, from what I read.

They are talking about allowing private health care, that by no means translates into doing away with what we already have. So, you have either mis-read or just didn't understand.

Allright, on another thread I posted, it was suggested that I, an actor, a liberal, alternately religioned, gothy punk, fetish show performing, marginalized American move to Canada.
I'm actually considering it.
Convince me.
Why Canada?
Why not New Zealand or Australia?
What are the advantages of Canadian citizenship?
Where in Canada should I move to? (Not Quebec...I don't speak French, and they keep trying to leave the country)
And...
How does one go about getting Canadian Citizenship?

Why Canada? Because it's way easier to get citizenship in Canada than Australia or New Zealand. I mean, it's not even close. Australia is difficult enough, but New Zealand is next to impossible. Your investigation of the matter will probably quickly reveal this to be the case.

Also, if you're leaving the U.S. because you don't like the politics, you probably won't like Australia any better, though I don't know about New Zealand.

P.S. I hope you're not going to be one of those people who just do a lot of talking about moving out of the country because they don't like Bush, but never do anything about it. Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin said they would move if Bush was reelected... well, they're still here, but I have the satisfaction of knowing that Bush is their President.

If you're only moving because you don't like the government, that's a stupid reason. (Unless the government are starving, killing or oppressing you, which they are not.)

The other liberals in the US need you to help them.

Plus, as a Conservative, it's nice to know that we're setting the political agenda under which your children are being raised.

It is so funny when I hear about people wanting to move out to Canada because of Bush. Get over it. That's how the election process works. You can't win all the time. If you don't like it wait till 2008.

The whole country is saturated with politicians spouting on about Christian Family Values, the 10 commandments are still posted in some courtrooms, people who love each other are not allowed to marry and get the benefits that they deserve, and...

NOOOOO!!! Oh, the humanity... THE HUMANNNITTYYYYY!!! :eek:

An excellent example of the spoiled child psychology: "you're not playing the game by my rules, so I'm going to find someone else to play with." Groan.
Aren't you one of the folks that likes to tell people who don't agree with you to move out of the US? Methinks you'd be happy to lose someone like that...

Aren't you one of the folks that likes to tell people who don't agree with you to move out of the US? Methinks you'd be happy to lose someone like that...
Nope. I'm one of those folks who like to provide relocation assistance to those who are so immature as to think that everyone should believe the same way they do. :)

It is so funny when I hear about people wanting to move out to Canada because of Bush. Get over it. That's how the election process works. You can't win all the time. If you don't like it wait till 2008.


I agree. Isnt that twat Alec Baldwin still skulking about? Wasnt he leaving?

I agree. Isnt that twat Alec Baldwin still skulking about? Wasnt he leaving?

Yep.. but he's still here.

It is like sports.. you win some, you lose some... if you want to be a sore loser, then sure leave the country. Or accept your losses.

Yes flee to Canada from the imperial iron grip of the evil Americans. I belive there is a fund for such refuges.

Goodbye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. :D


You may have been joking about this comment, but he was asking some honest questions, and responding in that way probably wasn't the best thing to do. It gives him a bad impression of you.


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If you have the money to do it and really want to...... why not?

You may have been joking about this comment, but he was asking some honest questions, and responding in that way probably wasn't the best thing to do. It gives him a bad impression of you.

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From what I could gather, he already had a bad impression of me ... and most other Americans. Why should I want him to stay when he so obviously would rather be almost anywhere else rather than in the same room with me? Hmmm? :)

From what I could gather, he already had a bad impression of me ... and most other Americans. Why should I want him to stay when he so obviously would rather be almost anywhere else rather than in the same room with me? Hmmm? :)You missed the point my associate was trying to make.

You are not required to want Ashenflagg to stay. You are, however, required to be civil to him. Telling him "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" is not what I consider civil.

"Think about it for a moment."

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Nope. I'm one of those folks who like to provide relocation assistance to those who are so immature as to think that everyone should believe the same way they do. :)
Um...so you're shipping out all the people in power?

Ashenflagg

I know it looks hopeless because of the Bush brigades tactics and policies, but as with all things there is an ebb and flow. Bush politics aren't getting very high popularity scores so the Republicans will have to change their tune or else lose what power they have gained very soon. Besides, Bush will be gone soon and then we will hopefully get a Dem or Rep in the white house that doesn't make us want to flee in horror.

Who knows, maybe there will even be another switch and the Republicans will become the more liberal populists (not that that is what the Democrats are these days) and the Dems will become the corporate-welfare big-business brown-nosers.

Um...so you're shipping out all the people in power?


pwned! :fluffle:

Ashenflagg

I know it looks hopeless because of the Bush brigades tactics and policies, but as with all things there is an ebb and flow. Bush politics aren't getting very high popularity scores so the Republicans will have to change their tune or else lose what power they have gained very soon. Besides, Bush will be gone soon and then we will hopefully get a Dem or Rep in the white house that doesn't make us want to flee in horror.

Dude, the democrats are in much worse position.. and the republicans are so far doing pretty well in state races poll wise (even though I don't give much credibility to polls). We shall see. Bush will be gone soon... because he's limited to two terms.

Who knows, maybe there will even be another switch and the Republicans will become the more liberal populists (not that that is what the Democrats are these days) and the Dems will become the corporate-welfare big-business brown-nosers.

I think there will be a moderate republican in the White House in 2008.. the dems aren't fielding anyone decent and are losing their hispanic voting base outside of California.

Nope. I'm one of those folks who like to provide relocation assistance to those who are so immature as to think that everyone should believe the same way they do. :)

So why aren't you providing this assostance to Evangelical Christians?

You may have been joking about this comment, but he was asking some honest questions, and responding in that way probably wasn't the best thing to do. It gives him a bad impression of you.


Nah, just a correct impression.

You may have been joking about this comment, but he was asking some honest questions, and responding in that way probably wasn't the best thing to do. It gives him a bad impression of you.


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May I then direct your attention to New Soviet's comments at the bottom of page 33 in the "Bush's Intelligent Design" thread in the General Forum?

You missed the point my associate was trying to make.

You are not required to want Ashenflagg to stay. You are, however, required to be civil to him. Telling him "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" is not what I consider civil.

"Think about it for a moment."

--The Modified Democratic States of Cogitation
NationStates Game Moderator


Same comment. May I then direct your attention to New Soviet's comments at the bottom of page 33 in the "Bush's Intelligent Design" thread in the General Forum?

Same comment. May I then direct your attention to New Soviet's comments at the bottom of page 33 in the "Bush's Intelligent Design" thread in the General Forum?


The way to go about telling on someone is to use the "report bad post" icon next to the actual post or to go to moderation.http://assets.jolt.co.uk/forums/nation_states/buttons/report.gif

Dude, the democrats are in much worse position.. and the republicans are so far doing pretty well in state races poll wise (even though I don't give much credibility to polls). We shall see.

How many times do I have to go over this? Ebb and Flow! I will not go into further detail for someone who doesn't give polls credibility yet will say someone is doing good in polls. Besides I've seen you around here lately and let's just say that your nose is a very distinct colour of "Republican brown".

Bush will be gone soon... because he's limited to two terms.

Which is exactly why I made that statement. :rolleyes:

I think there will be a moderate republican in the White House in 2008.. the dems aren't fielding anyone decent and are losing their hispanic voting base outside of California.

I hope am very hopeful that a moderate Republican administration will replace the current PNAC pack.

An excellent example of the spoiled child psychology: "you're not playing the game by my rules, so I'm going to find someone else to play with." Groan.
Hey, Martin Luther dit it.
"Fine then, excommunicate me, I don't need your stupid chuch, I'll just make my own church!"

Hey, Martin Luther dit it.
"Fine then, excommunicate me, I don't need your stupid chuch, I'll just make my own church!"

Actually, the largest part of the population of the US did that at one point... well, at least their ancestors. That's how they got to that continent in the first place.

Go to New Zealand.

Good point Cabra.

I don't see what is so disgraceful about moving somewhere that reflects your ideas of the best way to live. ALthough what happened when those evil jerks got the North America was pretty disgraceful, but that's something entirely different.

May I then direct your attention to New Soviet's comments at the bottom of page 33 in the "Bush's Intelligent Design" thread in the General Forum?


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Actually a lot of Americans have been moving to Canada. In my work I have spoken to quite a few who have asked about real estate, where the best value is right now, do I know a reputable realtor, etc.. They have all (without exception) said that they are horrified with the direction they see their country heading. They are not fleeing because George W. Bush won the election. They are fleeing because America has become the sort of place where he could win an election.

Actually a lot of Americans have been moving to Canada. In my work I have spoken to quite a few who have asked about real estate, where the best value is right now, do I know a reputable realtor, etc.. They have all (without exception) said that they are horrified with the direction they see their country heading. They are not fleeing because George W. Bush won the election. They are fleeing because America has become the sort of place where he could win an election.

They are moving because they are weak willed and don't have any backbone. Horrified about what? The country is fine with me.. the economy is doing great, and there will be another election in 2008. I'm glad they are leaving. America is for people with backbones and political will. Want to change the system? Then get out and vote, and join political action groups like I have.

They are moving because they are weak willed and don't have any backbone. Horrified about what? The country is fine with me.. the economy is doing great, and there will be another election in 2008.

Going from a sizable surplus to a masive deficit is not a "great" economy. Besidedes lets look at what Bush and co. are trying to do to our rights . . .

Going from a sizable surplus to a masive deficit is not a "great" economy. Besidedes lets look at what Bush and co. are trying to do to our rights . . .

Oh here we go with that narrow-mind set. What is important is the cold hard fact that the economy is growing strongly and jobs are being created. The massive deficit you speak of is declining... also deficits are naturally occurring. They happen. They aren't bad. The surplus you speak of was declining towards the end of the Clinton adminstration. Trying to do to what rights? I may not agree with him on marriage.. but that's just one issue.

Why the hostility to those who want to live in a country that more reflects their political views? What is up with that? I harbour no love for America either, and I might just pack up and leave someday to go to a sane-er nation. There's nothing wrong with that.

You say he should stick around and try to change things, but what is he going to do? Being a leftist in America is like banging your head against a brick wall anyway - you won't get through to anyone and you'll probably end up injured. All branches of government are far right wing, most of the nation is far right wing, even the democrats are freaking right wing, so what does anyone expect him to do?

I say go. You can go to Canada, anywhere in Europe, basically anywhere in the first world save here and find a nation more to your liking. Why stay in a nation you don't support or agree with?

Oh here we go with that narrow-mind set. What is important is the cold hard fact that the economy is growing strongly and jobs are being created. The massive deficit you speak of is declining... also deficits are naturally occurring. They happen. They aren't bad. The surplus you speak of was declining towards the end of the Clinton adminstration. Trying to do to what rights? I may not agree with him on marriage.. but that's just one issue.

One acronym. P.A.T.R.I.O.T

Why the hostility to those who want to live in a country that more reflects their political views? What is up with that? I harbour no love for America either, and I might just pack up and leave someday to go to a sane-er nation. There's nothing wrong with that.

You say he should stick around and try to change things, but what is he going to do? Being a leftist in America is like banging your head against a brick wall anyway - you won't get through to anyone and you'll probably end up injured. All branches of government are far right wing, most of the nation is far right wing, even the democrats are freaking right wing, so what does anyone expect him to do?

I say go. You can go to Canada, anywhere in Europe, basically anywhere in the first world save here and find a nation more to your liking. Why stay in a nation you don't support or agree with?

Thats what I asked too but apparently noone had an answer for that. People who feel that way must think that the US is a disgrace in the first place for the founders that left their homeland to find a better life on North American shores. WHy didn't they stay and fight to change things?

One acronym. P.A.T.R.I.O.T

I agree with the Patriot act for the most part. A few things had to be changed and they were... but for the most part it is excellent in increasing cooperation between law enforcement agencies and have had minimal impact on your rights.

"Why the hostility to those who want to live in a country that more reflects their political views?"

It is immature. Pardon my demeanour. But you can take part in elections to make it reflect your views. Just because your party doesn't win an election doesn't mean you should pack your bags and leave. That just borderlines on stupidity.

"All branches of government are far right wing, most of the nation is far right wing, even the democrats are freaking right wing, so what does anyone expect him to do?"

What a pile of dung...

I agree with the Patriot act for the most part. A few things had to be changed and they were...

Realy? I hadn't heard about them getting rid of sneak and peak searches, snooping in my library records, and making wire taps so much easyer to get . . .

Realy? I hadn't heard about them getting rid of sneak and peak searches, snooping in my library records, and making wire taps so much easyer to get . . .

That's no problem with me.. I'm considering law enforcement (FBI) as a possible career choice... it'll make the job easier for counter-terrorism officers.

What you have to remember is countries will change their political views on some issues at the drop of a hat. In Canada, we could have our Conservative Party in power after the December election, and the gay laws may be overturned (if that is the right term.) I am sure many other countries have the same thing, and for different issues. If you are deciding to go to another countries, look at what could potentially happen in the next 5 to 10 years, and determine whether or not you would be able to feel comfortable with those changes (or lack off.) The fact that you want to change countries shows that USA isn't right for you.

For those who are saying she is quitting the team, listen. If a party was elected tomorrow that was so leftists that it could be considered communist, would there be massive riots? I think so. And violent ones. The people would have spoken that they wanted a socialist party, and you would try to do as much damage as you could, breaking the rules in the game, because you are losing. Now, this is extreme, but the fact that she is changing countries should be a wake up call that there are some people that you are not excepting into your community, and if they don't feel welcome, why should they stay?