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Woo... Fundie math!

Feil
08-08-2005, 07:30
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/package.jsp?name=fte/resurrection/resurrection

I will now commence a demonstration that I am God.

1: God either does not exist or exists. Thus the probability of God not existing is 1/2
2: The probability that God became incarnate is also one in two, same deal.
2: God is either incarnated as a human or not as a human. Thus the probability of God not existing, not being incarnated, and not being human and not being human is 1/8
3: In all the holy books of the world, only a very small amount hold that there is no God. Considder for the point of arguement that that amount is about 1/1000. Thus, the probability of all the above etc. is 1/8000
4: Either God has my social security number or he does not. Thus there is 1/16000 percent chance that all the above, plus god does not have my social security number.
5: out of ~300 million Americans, only a scattered handfull--perhaps a thousand or so--have social security numbers that are not their own. Thus the probability of me not being God is approximately 1/5E9.

Get prayin', folks.


EDIT: before this becomes a flamefest...
I do not intend to disprove the resurection with this post.
I intend, rather to prove that Oxford University professor Richard Swinburne, a leading philosopher of religion, is a twit who doesn't know enough statistics to realise that if he looks under his bed every night for a month the odds are NOT 2^30:1 that he will find a pot of gold.
Kanabia
08-08-2005, 07:35
Pfft, who said God was American?
Feil
08-08-2005, 07:38
Pah. More proof that I am god.

Either God is American or he is not. Ergo there is a 50% chance of him not being american. Multiply 1/2 with the above and there is a 2E10:1 chance that I am god, because I, too, am either American or I am not. Muahahaha!
Neo Rogolia
08-08-2005, 07:39
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/package.jsp?name=fte/resurrection/resurrection

I will now commence a demonstration that I am God.

1: God either does not exist or exists. Thus the probability of God not existing is 1/2
2: The probability that God became incarnate is also one in two, same deal.
2: God is either incarnated as a human or not as a human. Thus the probability of God not existing, not being incarnated, and not being human and not being human is 1/8
3: In all the holy books of the world, only a very small amount hold that there is no God. Considder for the point of arguement that that amount is about 1/1000. Thus, the probability of all the above etc. is 1/8000
4: Either God has my social security number or he does not. Thus there is 1/16000 percent chance that all the above, plus god does not have my social security number.
5: out of ~300 million Americans, only a scattered handfull--perhaps a thousand or so--have social security numbers that are not their own. Thus the probability of me not being God is approximately 1/5E9.

Get prayin', folks.


EDIT: before this becomes a flamefest...
I do not intend to disprove the resurection with this post.
I intend, rather to prove that Oxford University professor Richard Swinburne, a leading philosopher of religion, is a twit who doesn't know enough statistics to realise that if he looks under his bed every night for a month the odds are NOT 2^30:1 that he will find a pot of gold.



Too late. The minute you compared a Catholic to a fundamentalist, you started the flame war. Fundamentalism is actually the method God ascribes to Christians for following His will, no matter how much negative connotation you associate with it.
Evinsia
08-08-2005, 07:39
Pfft, who said God was American?

He has no nationality. That I know of.
Feil
08-08-2005, 07:43
Too late. The minute you compared a Catholic to a fundamentalist, you started the flame war. Fundamentalism is actually the method God ascribes to Christians for following His will, no matter how much negative connotation you associate with it.

I'm running from this definition:

fundamentalism

n : the interpretation of every assertion in the sacred text(s) as literal truth
Kanabia
08-08-2005, 07:44
Pah. More proof that I am god.

Either God is American or he is not. Ergo there is a 50% chance of him not being american. Multiply 1/2 with the above and there is a 2E10:1 chance that I am god, because I, too, am either American or I am not. Muahahaha!

Noo..

Because mathematically, him being american would be conditional on whether or not he is human, or if he even exists.

let's assume that God so happens to have a human incarnation, and is born an american. The probability of that is roughly 295,734,134/6,446,131,400, or more simply, one in twenty one and four fifths. Not exactly betting odds. ;)
Sick Dreams
08-08-2005, 07:46
That has got to be the single most idiotic article, and is definately the most idiotic math I've ever seen! Just where did the probabilities come from? I have to go beat my head against a wall now! :headbang:
Feil
08-08-2005, 07:50
That has got to be the single most idiotic article, and is definately the most idiotic math I've ever seen! Just where did the probabilities come from? I have to go beat my head against a wall now! :headbang:

This professor really needs to go have a chat with the TimeCube fellow. ;)


EDIT: Timecube: http://www.timecube.com/ WARNING! Contains some profanity and I refuse to be responsible for your eyeballs melting and running down your face while your brain locks in a feedback loop and shrinks to the size of a tangerine.
Greater Googlia
08-08-2005, 07:57
http://www.timecube.com/
That site is pretty shitty.
Randomlittleisland
08-08-2005, 17:44
The probably of God's existence is one in two. That is, God either exists or doesn't.
The probability that God became incarnate, that is embodied in human form, is also one in two.
The evidence for God's existence is an argument for the resurrection.
The chance of Christ's resurrection not being reported by the gospels has a probability of one in 10.
Considering all these factors together, there is a one in 1,000 chance that the resurrection is not true.


Who taught this guy maths?

1. The fact there are two possible outcomes does NOT mean that the odds of both are 50%.

For example: If I walk into Parliament and punch the PM there are two outcomes: I get away or I don't. Considering the level of security my chances of escape are minimal.

2. Assuming that the odds ARE 50:50 each time, if the first option if false then it rules out the chance of the second option as there would be no God to take human form so the odds of there being a God who took human form are 1:4, not 3:4 (and it carries on like this).

On a lighter note you can prove that girlfriends are evil mathematically.

1. To get and keep a girlfriend you must expend time.
2. While you are with her you will inevitably spend money.
3. Therefore girls=time*money
4. Time is money.
5. Therefore girls=money*money (or money squared)
6. Money is the root of all evil (money=√evil)
7. Therefore Evil=money*money
8. As girls=money*money logically girls=evil. :p

*Hides under desk cowering*
Bolol
08-08-2005, 18:01
Man, where's Dubya when you need 'em? :confused:
UpwardThrust
08-08-2005, 18:09
Who taught this guy maths?

1. The fact there are two possible outcomes does NOT mean that the odds of both are 50%.

For example: If I walk into Parliament and punch the PM there are two outcomes: I get away or I don't. Considering the level of security my chances of escape are minimal.

2. Assuming that the odds ARE 50:50 each time, if the first option if false then it rules out the chance of the second option as there would be no God to take human form so the odds of there being a God who took human form are 1:4, not 3:4 (and it carries on like this).

On a lighter note you can prove that girlfriends are evil mathematically.

1. To get and keep a girlfriend you must expend time.
2. While you are with her you will inevitably spend money.
3. Therefore girls=time*money
4. Time is money.
5. Therefore girls=money*money (or money squared)
6. Money is the root of all evil (money=√evil)
7. Therefore Evil=money*money
8. As girls=money*money logically girls=evil. :p

*Hides under desk cowering*


That one I had seen enough to have on my website for the last year lol
Seosavists
08-08-2005, 18:11
Man, where's Dubya when you need 'em? :confused:
Dubya is either here or not here so that's a 1/2 chance, and so on... :D
UpwardThrust
08-08-2005, 18:15
Dubya is either here or not here so that's a 1/2 chance, and so on... :D
There is a 50 percent chance that you did not make that horrible joke :p
CthulhuFhtagn
08-08-2005, 18:20
Too late. The minute you compared a Catholic to a fundamentalist, you started the flame war. Fundamentalism is actually the method God ascribes to Christians for following His will, no matter how much negative connotation you associate with it.
And here's NR with the requisite Catholic-bashing post. :rolleyes: Don't you have something better to do?
Neo Rogolia
08-08-2005, 18:22
And here's NR with the requisite Catholic-bashing post. :rolleyes: Don't you have something better to do?


I doubt the Catholics would want to be associated with us either. Our faiths are so different, that it leads to nothing but strife if you try to lump us in the same pile.
Seosavists
08-08-2005, 18:42
I doubt the Catholics would want to be associated with us either. Our faiths are so different, that it leads to nothing but strife if you try to lump us in the same pile.
We're not that different. And I don't care much about being lumped with other christians (except for ignorant racists/people with prejudices)
UpwardThrust
08-08-2005, 18:43
I doubt the Catholics would want to be associated with us either. Our faiths are so different, that it leads to nothing but strife if you try to lump us in the same pile.
Lol yet you have no problem being lumped into the same grouping when it comes to bragging up “believer” statistics and how Christianity is number 1 right now :p
Kamsaki
08-08-2005, 19:35
But the probability of not being God is also the same in all Americans with other peoples' social security numbers. Therefore, while there is a near certain possibility that you are God, there is also a near certain possibility that about 2000 people are also God.

Arguably, with enough criteria, this could be applied Globally.

So, God is Legion. You being God is nothing special, because everyone else is too. When you die, you join God. The only way to Join God, if God is Legion, is to become one of them. Thus, you become human once more; reincarnation.

Thanks, you've just proved Buddhism. ^^


Incidentally, I was about to accuse the topic creator of fallousy, but then realised that if pronounced, it could have an alternative meaning. So, you screwed with the numbers good, boy! >_<;
Seosavists
08-08-2005, 19:36
There is a 50 percent chance that you did not make that horrible joke :p
woohoo! My reputation is saved. (there is a 50% chance I don't have a good reputation already.)
Angry Fruit Salad
08-08-2005, 19:37
You know, jalapeno and anchovy pizza will make you dream up stuff like that...never eat it before bed....
Maineiacs
08-08-2005, 19:40
Lol yet you have no problem being lumped into the same grouping when it comes to bragging up “believer” statistics and how Christianity is number 1 right now :p


Actually she probably would. Most Fundies rank us right up there with Wiccans and Satanists.
CthulhuFhtagn
08-08-2005, 20:02
Actually she probably would. Most Fundies rank us right up there with Wiccans and Satanists.
Nope. She doesn't. She brings it up everytime to get Christianity's figures over 2 billion. Without Catholicism, Islam would beat Christianity, and she wouldn't want that.
H N Fiddlebottoms VIII
08-08-2005, 20:13
Who taught this guy maths?

1. The fact there are two possible outcomes does NOT mean that the odds of both are 50%.
Yes, but without any independent evidence leaning one way or the other, then the odds are evenly devided among the potential answers. Therefore, since no one can locate concrete proof one way or t'other on God's existence, the odds are even 50%s.
So there, nyeh!


1. To get and keep a girlfriend you must expend time.
2. While you are with her you will inevitably spend money.
3. Therefore girls=time*money
4. Time is money.
5. Therefore girls=money*money (or money squared)
6. Money is the root of all evil (money=?evil)
7. Therefore Evil=money*money
8. As girls=money*money logically girls=evil. :p

This, however, is now going to be further reinforcement of my theory that women are evil and men are stupid. I thank you for providing me with further evidence, (from now on, you are an intellectually reputable source, just in case anyone should ask).
Jah Bootie
08-08-2005, 20:30
Yes, but without any independent evidence leaning one way or the other, then the odds are evenly devided among the potential answers. Therefore, since no one can locate concrete proof one way or t'other on God's existence, the odds are even 50%s.
So there, nyeh!

This is sort of like an "argument from ignorance". The odds of something like this are incalculable, as it is with any complete unknown.
Jah Bootie
08-08-2005, 20:34
Also, couldn't you make the opposite argument, that there is a 1 in 1000 chance that christ WAS resurrected? It seems the much more valid argument of the two. I mean, how could there be only a 50% chance that he existed but a 99.9% that he was resurrected? That's completely absurd.
Yupaenu
08-08-2005, 21:39
I'm running from this definition:

fundamentalism

n : the interpretation of every assertion in the sacred text(s) as literal truth
:eek: Then i'm a theravada fundamentalist!
Randomlittleisland
08-08-2005, 22:33
This, however, is now going to be further reinforcement of my theory that women are evil and men are stupid. I thank you for providing me with further evidence, (from now on, you are an intellectually reputable source, just in case anyone should ask).


Wow, I'm going to put that in my sig. :)

For my next trick I will prove that all life is illusion while balancing a beach-ball on my nose. However right now I'm going to bed.