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Inspired by the "Anti-American" thread.

What the fuck is a gringo?

What the fuck is a gringo?
An American.

Isn't a Gringo a Mexican wrestler or something similar?

No. Ive found that the vast majority of all people (actually, every single person I have ever met) can differentiate between someone from the US and someone from other parts of America.

Unless you count movies. US movies give the rest of America a bad name. They keep making these movies that make a mockery of what the rest of America is like and do not resemble the true countries they purport to display at all. So, if you mean Hollywood, then yes they are giving the rest of America a bad name, but if you meant just the general behavior of people from the US or of their government, then no.

What the fuck is a gringo?

A derogatory term for a white person.

Accidentaly confused my racial slurs.

What the fuck is a gringo?a Caucasian-American... a US citizen of caucasian descent...

A derogatory term for a white person. nope, a French or German is not a Gringo.

The slur for an American sucks, at least "wetback" and "Eurotrash" are creative.

What the fuck is a gringo?Its more or less like when a Brit says a "Yank"

Well, they're breeding like rabbits and oftentimes can't afford to raise their offspring in a healthy, stable environment. When you bring children into this world and can't properly raise them, they'll sometimes turn to crime and other negative things that can harm both the individual and his or her society. This is only one aspect, and you could delve far deeper into the problems caused.

I'm a gringo? Cool!!!!....I think!

I'm a gringo? Cool!!!!....I think!no!

you are una Gringa. :D

only those gringos who guard the border with mexico and wish to god they were allowed to shoot illegal aliens.

the rest are fine.

anglos is the less charged term.

What the fuck is a gringo?

Here is a definition I found on the internet...

Word History: In Latin America the word gringo is an offensive term for a foreigner, particularly an American or English person. But the word existed in Spanish before this particular sense came into being. In fact, gringo may be an alteration of the word griego, the Spanish development of Latin Graecus, "Greek." Griego first meant "Greek, Grecian," as an adjective and "Greek, Greek language," as a noun. The saying "It's Greek to me" exists in Spanish, as it does in English, and helps us understand why griego came to mean "unintelligible language" and perhaps, by further extension of this idea, "stranger, that is, one who speaks a foreign language." The altered form gringo lost touch with Greek but has the senses "unintelligible language," "foreigner, especially an English person," and in Latin America, "North American or Britisher." Its first recorded English use (1849) is in John Woodhouse Audubon's Western Journal: "We were hooted and shouted at as we passed through, and called 'Gringoes.'"

From my own experience Gringo isn't always used as an offensive term and is often used by Latin Americans to describe an English speaking person travelling or living in a Latin American country, who doesn't speak Spanish.

Inspired by the "Anti-American" thread.
BTW, puta, wetback is one word, not two. :D

To the tune of the old, "Be a Dr. Pepper"

I'm a Gringo
You're a Gringo
Wouldn't you like to be a Gringo Too

Be a Gringo
Dress like a Gringo
Wouldn't you like to be a Gringo Too!




Badges? We don't got no badges, we don't need no stinking Badges!!!
*commence firing pistoleras*

This was a hard poll. Cause I don't like wetbacks calling me a gringo, but Britney is also a slut.

This was a hard poll. Cause I don't like wetbacks calling me a gringo, but Britney is also a slut.
Yes, she IS! Let's hear it for the sluts of the world! Yayyyy! :D

Yes, she IS! Let's hear it for the sluts of the world! Yayyyy! :D

YAYYYY! :D

but is also was the reason for the MUTE button on my remote.

Inspired by the "Anti-American" thread.
There was an Anti-American thread? *cuss* And I missed it....Shit!!! :mad:

Yes.

It's becoming more and more difficult to travel through Latin America without being treated like shit when people assume I'm a gringo. Once people realise that I speak spanish as fluently as they do, and that I'm not from the EEUU, people revert to being polite and considerate.

But I wouldn't say it's the gringos so much as the people from the EEUU, as people with a British accent don't get the same treatment.

While I'm not that fond of many Americans (or rather, U.S. residents), I'm not fond of slurs either, and therefore I would prefer it if both sides kept them to a minimum, lest joking give way to resentment... I ended up voting for the last option, even though Britney seems a bit outdated.

Furthermore, this post:
Well, they're breeding like rabbits and oftentimes can't afford to raise their offspring in a healthy, stable environment. When you bring children into this world and can't properly raise them, they'll sometimes turn to crime and other negative things that can harm both the individual and his or her society. This is only one aspect, and you could delve far deeper into the problems caused.

while it uses an undefined pronoun, seems particularly ironic if it is supposed to be used as an insult against "gringos."

Being from Los Angeles, it's always painful to see Catholic [Hispanic] immigrants or illegal citizens who, albeit hardworking and well intentioned, make the situation worse for their families and the city by having more children than they could feasibly take care of, let alone more than is proper and considerate to have.

But then again, I shouldn't generalize, now should I?

So there are these two Iraqi's who are very close friends, and sign up to be spies for Osama. They both are put undercover and sent to America. After several years they (by pure chance) run into each other in a McDonalds, the one, being excited to see his freind, runs up to him, and greets him in his native toungue. He then continues to speak Arabic, until the second one chastizes him "We're undercover. We're in America. Speak Spanish you idiot."

Gringo isn't always MEANT in an insulting manner...but it nonetheless is insulting. Hmm...what I mean is, my husband for example, calls our daughter gringita, because she's paler than she really ought to be, since both of us are fairly dark. He doesn't mean it in a derogatory way, at all...(Spanish nicknames that would translate to fairly insulting ones in English, like pelado, baldy, don't have the same negative connotations in Spanish), but in my mind, he's kind of mocking her white heritage, the smidgeon she actually has. No wait...he isn't, not really, but I don't want her to think he is. Confused? Yeah, so am I. I guess, he could call me 'india' (Indian) or 'huasa' (person from the country), and not mean it in a bad way, but frankly, I wouldn't care for it because these words can also be used as insults. Ah frick...think of people saying '******'. For me, personally, were I black, I wouldn't be okay with the word, even if a friend were calling me that, because then some other idiot will think it's okay to use that term.

BTW, puta, wetback is one word, not two. :D

It's "puto"...

...tonta!

does anyone intend to actually talk about the thread topic?

It's "puto"...

...tonta!
ROFLMAO!!! Touche! :D

does anyone intend to actually talk about the thread topic?
Fuck no! To hell wid dat! I've decided that all staying on topic does is get people all pissed off at you for no reason, so from now on all I'm going to post is funny shit. :D

While I'm not that fond of many Americans (or rather, U.S. residents), I'm not fond of slurs either, and therefore I would prefer it if both sides kept them to a minimum, lest joking give way to resentment... I ended up voting for the last option, even though Britney seems a bit outdated.

Furthermore, this post:


while it uses an undefined pronoun, seems particularly ironic if it is supposed to be used as an insult against "gringos."

Being from Los Angeles, it's always painful to see Catholic [Hispanic] immigrants or illegal citizens who, albeit hardworking and well intentioned, make the situation worse for their families and the city by having more children than they could feasibly take care of, let alone more than is proper and considerate to have.

But then again, I shouldn't generalize, now should I?

I was referring to hispanic immigrants. You can take a look at the statistics on overpopulation and poverty in the US, which entirely justifies my generalizations.

If America is so bad, then why do thousands of Mexican cross our borders everyday huh?

ROFLMAO!!! Touche! :D

ROFL = Roll On Floor Laughing

MAO = ?

Although I'm a puto I'm some what virginal when it comes to the internet.

If America is so bad, then why do thousands of Mexican cross our borders everyday huh?


Umm truth. On the other hand did you ever notice that the same Gringos who say 'The Mexicans took my job!" are the first to say "they sent my job to Mexico!" I mean which is it Bubba? If you're job was in Mexico they'd hardly need to come here to get it. Why do MExicans come here? To work hard and make money. Something a lot of Gringos don't seem to want to do.
When I say gringo I mean it in the context I learned it. Working in a steel shop that employed immegrants. They seemes to apply it to ceertain lazy or just plain ignorant Americans. My pathetic but polite Spanish and strong work ethic kept me from being dropped into that classification. Generally I like working with Mexicans or having them work for me. They generally (all cultures produce some lazy people, most of them are not willing to travel 1000s of mile to get a better job) display a better work ethic than others.
I'mnot sure what definition of 'gringo' is being assked about here. So I really can't answer the poll.

I object to the word "Gringo". Its a racial slur against white people. The same goes for "cracker". :mad:

I object to the word "Gringo". Its a racial slur against white people. The same goes for "cracker". :mad:

Not really. I'm a Caucasian American who speaks Spanish, so I'm not a Gringo unless a travel to South America or Spain and pronounce a bunch of words wrong! :)

No. Ive found that the vast majority of all people (actually, every single person I have ever met) can differentiate between someone from the US and someone from other parts of America.

Unless you count movies. US movies give the rest of America a bad name. They keep making these movies that make a mockery of what the rest of America is like and do not resemble the true countries they purport to display at all. So, if you mean Hollywood, then yes they are giving the rest of America a bad name, but if you meant just the general behavior of people from the US or of their government, then no.

How the heck can "the vast majority of all people (actually, ever single person I [you] met) can differentiate between someone from the US and someone from other parts of America"? I meant a (born and rised Canadian) Canadian citizen who I thought lived in the US all his life! ;)

Umm truth. On the other hand did you ever notice that the same Gringos who say 'The Mexicans took my job!" are the first to say "they sent my job to Mexico!" I mean which is it Bubba? If you're job was in Mexico they'd hardly need to come here to get it. Why do MExicans come here? To work hard and make money. Something a lot of Gringos don't seem to want to do.
When I say gringo I mean it in the context I learned it. Working in a steel shop that employed immegrants. They seemes to apply it to ceertain lazy or just plain ignorant Americans. My pathetic but polite Spanish and strong work ethic kept me from being dropped into that classification. Generally I like working with Mexicans or having them work for me. They generally (all cultures produce some lazy people, most of them are not willing to travel 1000s of mile to get a better job) display a better work ethic than others.
I'mnot sure what definition of 'gringo' is being assked about here. So I really can't answer the poll.

What would your attitude be if one day you or your children were working for Mexicans?

An American.
Actually, it means stranger.
only those gringos who guard the border with mexico and wish to god they were allowed to shoot illegal aliens.

the rest are fine.

anglos is the less charged term.

The minutemen know there is a problem on the border. I know. I am hispanic and live no more than 40 minutes from the cess pool of corruption that is known as Mexico. You do not know jack about the problems in the border. The reason there are tons of illegals is not because of Americans. Its because Mexico has a habit of ****ing its own citizens to the point where they risk their lives to cross into another nation and leave their families. THATS how bad the situation is.

The problem with a lot of mexican-americans is one fundamental problem. They are to loyal to their ethnicity (more racism) than loyal to the Republic. That can technically be viewed as racism.

Actually, it means stranger.


The minutemen know there is a problem on the border. I know. I am hispanic and live no more than 40 minutes from the cess pool of corruption that is known as Mexico. You do not know jack about the problems in the border. The reason there are tons of illegals is not because of Americans. Its because Mexico has a habit of ****ing its own citizens to the point where they risk their lives to cross into another nation and leave their families. THATS how bad the situation is

The problem with a lot of mexican-americans is one fundamental problem. They are to loyal to their ethnicity (more racism) than loyal to the Republic. That can technically be viewed as racism.

When you are talking about the "Republic" are you talking about the Republic of Mexico or the Republic of the United States?

a Caucasian-American... a US citizen of caucasian descent...

IE, a real American

hehe j/k

I think the white trash gives americans a bad name.


Oh, and the people who are from New York, which borders Ontario, who ask, in the middle of a heat wave, whether it's cold here.

Yeah. It's really fucking cold.

Well, it shouldn't be as hot. Canada is farther away from the equator. Of course, with the state of the American educational system(not enough teachers, over-payed officials, and way too many students. The illegals aren't helping at all. Plus, they are hurting the people who came here legally by reproducing in record numbers(why is it that poorer people have more kids than richer people?) and putting those kids in school. Only be surprised if they can read or speak decent English.

As for the question, no. Caucasian Americans are among the ranks of Mexican Americans, African Americans, Native Americans, etc. as true Americans.

When you are talking about the "Republic" are you talking about the Republic of Mexico or the Republic of the United States?
The Republic of the United States.

I live in the hispanic culture. There is NOTHING here that addresses teaching their children to honor the Constitution or its purpose. I had to discover it myself. Every hispanic adult and parent is more intrested in having you eat traditional food, knowing hispanics that are getting in pop culture, and traditional practices than learning how our government is supposed to behave and how WE are supposed to behave with the government.

Those who do such as myself, frankly had to learn it on our own and by example of someone outside of our culture.

Unfortunately for most immigrants, they probably don't even know that they live in a Republic. They are brainwashed to believe burning the nation's flag (Mexico) is illegal and wrong, owning guns is wrong, catholisism should be a state religion, and as soon as a nation is screwed up enough, you pick up your bags and leave and not do **** about fixing it.

Why the hell would illegals be loyal to the "republic of mexico"? Mexicans didn't do **** when Santa Anna abolished their first Constitution. (Only Tejanos did.) They also have no legitimate government. The corruption is so bad there, Mexico has a legitimate rebellious movement (Zapatist) in their own goddamned capital. I almost laugh at the thought of Mexico having a legitimate republic. Its just a government body of people ****ing other people over.

In fact, one of the biggest reasons Mexico is adamant against the minute men is because illegals send US dollars over to mexico at such a degree that Mexico's economy literally depends on it. They can't approve of the US enforcing law on their citizens. Rich Mexicans who control every aspect of Mexico would be ****ed royally.

I think that it is nervy calling us gringos when we dont know Spanish and yet we are being forced to translate just about everything and provide for the Spanish language but we dont require anyone living here on a green card or illegally to learn our DAMN language . Come over here and expect our free services etc. and no hablas engles!!! Im sick of that! I wish we would pass laws requiring citizenship before free services. I have no problem with anyone wanting live and work here but can you not at least make an attempt to learn English. There are tons free services teaching it to anyone who wants to learn. Try to understand our culture and quit forcing yours on us. Oh and there is a lot of generalizing here not all hispanics are Mexicans, Puerto Ricans have a legal right to be here, and not all of these families produce copious amounts of children either. Im mad because for one thing this woman had no driver's license , no english skills, (probably no green card) and she hit my car and didnt even get arrested for any of it because boo hoo!! no comprendo! tough shit for me! It wasnt even her car she borrowed it! I let it drop because of no damage but she should have gotten some sort of fine or something. OH by the way puta -means whore! I dont think it would work on a male.

If America is so bad, then why do thousands of Mexican cross our borders everyday huh?
Wow...THOUSANDS A DAY!!!??? Amazing. So, how many thousands? Today, 40,000, yesterday 2? Thousands. Incredible. How many days is that until Mexico is unpopulated (cuz I'm snapping up the land left behind!)?

*snip, ranting* OH by the way puta -means whore! I dont think it would work on a male.
Puto is the male equivalent.

Hijo de puta is better.

Hijo de la gran puta que te pareo is tops.

And if you don't want to speak Spanish, maybe your country should hurry up and finally make English the official language.

Wow...THOUSANDS A DAY!!!??? Amazing. So, how many thousands? Today, 40,000, yesterday 2? Thousands. Incredible. How many days is that until Mexico is unpopulated (cuz I'm snapping up the land left behind!)?

It is actually close to the thousands. Within a day in the Rio Grande Valley region (4 counties) alone we have around 200 people try to cross within a 24 hour span. That is just 4 counties.

People are not joking about the situtation.

Excuse me? Gringo's giving the rest of America a bad name? No. Gringos did not do that.
(btw.. you don't even know what a gringo is. A gringo is a Texan. It comes from the battle of San Jacinto in which the Texans who won their independence wanted to seperate themselves from Mexico in every way, but they didn't want to be the American Anglos either. They called themselves gringos. A gringo isn't anyone in the US. Common usage is now a person who is white and can't speak Spanish properly. More specific, it is someone ignorant of the other cultures in America.)
I take offense that you call me a gringo for being an American. I am not ignorant of other cultures. My area is 45% Mexican national, and a 80% of Hispanic origin. I embrace and enjoy having both cultures: Mexican and American.
Before you make a post that is obviously made as a discriminatory comment against all citizens of the US, check your facts. Not everyone in the US considers the rest of America as lesser. Many of us want to help and bring it all into a better state. For example, the Central American Free Trade Agreement was just made in the United States to help all areas in North America to be more economically stable. It will further be spread once the South American states can become more economically and politically stable becuase they haven't exactly had a solid past.
Don't make a post against the US without presenting evidence to back up your claim.

It is actually close to the thousands. Within a day in the Rio Grande Valley region (4 counties) alone we have around 200 people try to cross within a 24 hour span. That is just 4 counties.

People are not joking about the situtation.
I'd like an accurate, statistical number (an average) backed up with some sources. No, really. I'm interested how many there REALLY are...

I'd like an accurate, statistical number (an average) backed up with some sources. No, really. I'm interested how many there REALLY are...

You won't find them. For the simple reason being that there are way to many illegals crossing at night that are not discovered. You can try to research boarder patrol pick ups and busts though along regions. They'll give you numbers of the amount of people they actually pick up.

But, I'm not surprised that you think I'm joking. You live in Canada where few illegals bother going. Hell you don't even have any understanding of the boarder violence happening as of late in Nuevo Laredo where to drug cartel gangs have been shooting up the city for territory and got the US ambassator office to shut down for a day because the gangs actually used heavy artillery fire and even a rocket launcher before Mexico got all fussy. The maratrucha gang from Ecuador staking out home turf in our counties. I live in Cameron County, Texas. The bottom most county. 200 illegals a day is a moderate estimate. 300 is an extreme, and 100 is cinco de mayo.

I'd like an accurate, statistical number (an average) backed up with some sources. No, really. I'm interested how many there REALLY are...


I just googled it and had the first 1/2 dozen sources all estimate over 100,000 a year

For example, the Central American Free Trade Agreement was just made in the United States to help all areas in North America to be more economically stable. It will further be spread once the South American states can become more economically and politically stable becuase they haven't exactly had a solid past.
Don't make a post against the US without presenting evidence to back up your claim.

That CAFTA is going to bone American workers more. Stop promoting that. NAFTA boned us, and CAFTA is going to **** us over more.

Yes.

It's becoming more and more difficult to travel through Latin America without being treated like shit when people assume I'm a gringo. Once people realise that I speak spanish as fluently as they do, and that I'm not from the EEUU, people revert to being polite and considerate.

But I wouldn't say it's the gringos so much as the people from the EEUU, as people with a British accent don't get the same treatment.

Maybe you're fluent in Spanish, but if you're pale, you're still a guero... maybe not a "gringo," but it's all the same to most Mexicans, whether you speak the language or not. ;)

You won't find them. For the simple reason being that there are way to many illegals crossing at night that are not discovered. You can try to research boarder patrol pick ups and busts though along regions. They'll give you numbers of the amount of people they actually pick up.

But, I'm not surprised that you think I'm joking. You live in Canada where few illegals bother going. Hell you don't even have any understanding of the boarder violence happening as of late in Nuevo Laredo where to drug cartel gangs have been shooting up the city for territory and got the US ambassator office to shut down for a day because the gangs actually used heavy artillery fire and even a rocket launcher before Mexico got all fussy. The maratrucha gang from Ecuador staking out home turf in our counties. I live in Cameron County, Texas. The bottom most county. 200 illegals a day is a moderate estimate. 300 is an extreme, and 100 is cinco de mayo.
:D

What would your estimate be, overall? Thousands or....thousand. And daily? Where do that many people hide?

Maybe you're fluent in Spanish, but if you're pale, you're still a guero... maybe not a "gringo," but it's all the same to most Mexicans, whether you speak the language or not. ;)

That's because there is far more racism in the hell hole that is Mexico. Kinda funny how they are claiming Minutemen are racists, when the whole country is rallying around an ethnicity, not a principle.

:D

What would your estimate be, overall? Thousands or....thousand. And daily? Where do that many people hide?

Government stats on border crossings range from 800,000 to 2,200,000 per year since the early 90's. Not all of them stay, of course.

That's because there is far more racism in the hell hole that is Mexico. Kinda funny how they are claiming Minutemen are racists, when the whole country is rallying around an ethnicity, not a principle.
Wow. You don't seem to care for hispanics much (culturally speaking)...?

To the tune of the old, "Be a Dr. Pepper"

I'm a Gringo
You're a Gringo
Wouldn't you like to be a Gringo Too

Be a Gringo
Dress like a Gringo
Wouldn't you like to be a Gringo Too!




Badges? We don't got no badges, we don't need no stinking Badges!!!
*commence firing pistoleras*

badgeRs!

hehe

Government stats on border crossings range from 800,000 to 2,200,000 per year since the early 90's. Not all of them stay, of course.
What percentage do the estimate stay? I'm interested as to how the overall population growth is being affected.

(Send them up here! We have lots of room! I'd suggest building a rapid-transit line non-stop to the Canadian border. It'd be expensive, but you would have stations along your border with free passage...it'd probably save you in the long run:))

What percentage do the estimate stay? I'm interested as to how the overall population growth is being affected.

(Send them up here! We have lots of room! I'd suggest building a rapid-transit line non-stop to the Canadian border. It'd be expensive, but you would have stations along your border with free passage...it'd probably save you in the long run:))

There's really no way to know how many stay permanently, other then through the census, altough that's still a guess.

I don't think Canada wants unskilled labor though, judging by their immigration law which is kinda hostile to that. With Canada, there can be huge immigration fees, and so it's usually wealthy Chinese coming over from Taiwan or Japan, according to some Filipinos I know.

:D

What would your estimate be, overall? Thousands or....thousand. And daily? Where do that many people hide?

I in all honesty can not give you an estimate. There is just to many people crossing at different times, places and at different frequencies. The region I'm in has a moderate to low level of crossing. Its a huge trading area, but with rather decent boarder survailence. Places that are further to the west that have more traffic are probably different due to the level of boarder survailence. Sometimes it is only the desert preventing crossings such as in New Mexico.

As to where they hide, they hide in colonias, or with relatives who have crossed. Those who don't have relatives hide in houses that are set up for workers. For instance my familiy elders on my grand uncle's side who are farmers use illegals all the time have a house for illegals set up so they can work close to the farm.

You'd think I was joking if I told you they are right near my property less than 3 acres away, but that is mostly because I live on the ranch area that was bought out by my grandpa and father.

Trust me, in America, there is always a place for illegals to go. The problem is that NOTHING is done about Mexico which ****s over people at such horrible rates. Everybody ignores the REAL problem. Mexico itself.

Bah, they still lack German Efficiency!

:D

What would your estimate be, overall? Thousands or....thousand. And daily? Where do that many people hide?


Sin- they dont hide-they are everywhere. I will say that many I see are working-working hard, or walking to work.

Dont be naive. this is a problem you dont want to deal with. And only a country as great and as diverse and rich as the United States could absorb this # of people, that dont pay taxes, but do burden the system tremendously.

Also, this really reminds me of Fast Food Nation....

Wow. You don't seem to care for hispanics much (culturally speaking)...?

Our culture is mixed in my book, the problem is that is all hispanics care about to often is the stupid **** like food, music, and events far to much. (I like enchilladas as much as the next hispanic.. but come on) Places like Mexico happen because way to many hispanics are indifferent as to what the government does untill it bones them over directly. They are the stupid type of patriotic. Not the active dissent when it is proper patriotic.

And Mexico shoves this concept down our throats to such ludicrous ends as if we on this side of the boarder are completely ignorant of what Mexico does to its people.

There is a quote us Tejanos say about how Mexico's people are. It translates to this: "In mexico, a rich man will spend a thousand dollars to take away one dollar from a poor man."

There's really no way to know how many stay permanently, other then through the census, altough that's still a guess.

I don't think Canada wants unskilled labor though, judging by their immigration law which is kinda hostile to that. With Canada, there can be huge immigration fees, and so it's usually wealthy Chinese coming over from Taiwan or Japan, according to some Filipinos I know.
This is all true. Our immigration policy is less than friendly, but we don't get flack for it like you guys do, because no one gives a rats ass. :( I'm not thinking about unskilled labour though...just hot latino/a booty...

Sin- they dont hide-they are everywhere. I will say that many I see are working-working hard, or walking to work.

Dont be naive. this is a problem you dont want to deal with. And only a country as great and as diverse and rich as the United States could absorb this # of people, that dont pay taxes, but do burden the system tremendously.
Um, tell me how Canada exactly COULD deal with this 'problem' before you accuse me of not wanting to.

Our culture is mixed in my book, the problem is that is all hispanics care about to often is the stupid **** like food, music, and events far to much. (I like enchilladas as much as the next hispanic.. but come on) Places like Mexico happen because way to many hispanics are indifferent as to what the government does untill it bones them over directly. They are the stupid type of patriotic. Not the active dissent when it is proper patriotic.

And Mexico shoves this concept down our throats to such ludicrous ends as if we on this side of the boarder are completely ignorant of what Mexico does to its people.

There is a quote us Tejanos say about how Mexico's people are. It translates to this: "In mexico, a rich man will spend a thousand dollars to take away one dollar from a poor man."
There are such deep-seated historical divisions between rich and poor, conservative and liberal in Latin America...but I think you are wrong in saying all that hispanics care about is the stupid shit. Most latinos I know (and I'm married to one) are VERY political...but it's hard to get much done when your governments are so corrupt, or the one you elected is overthrown in a coup, or you actually take things into your own hands and the US funds groups to come kill you.

Um, tell me how Canada exactly COULD deal with this 'problem' before you accuse me of not wanting to.


you couldnt deal with it.

And I consider the Mexican people our friends-I dont begrudge them opporotunity. Just not at such a high cost to us.
We also have the added problem of people that are outright enemies taking advantage and crossing here too.

you couldnt deal with it.


Then don't say I don't want to deal with it. Well, I don't. But that's basically because I couldn't. *sticks out tongue*

Um, tell me how Canada exactly COULD deal with this 'problem' before you accuse me of not wanting to.

Probably very simple. Have active patrols along your boarder. A country is like a lawn. Take proper maintenence of it and it will be a nice lawn. Leave it alone and ignore what happens on it, and you'd have a mess. Here, we need something like the the national guard to patrol our boarders. The boarder patrol isn't enough. Our boarder isn't just big, but we have massive other problems we have to deal with. Drug runners from cartels, contra-band, and even well armed gangs.

Probably very simple. Have active patrols along your boarder. A country is like a lawn. Take proper maintenence of it and it will be a nice lawn. Leave it alone and ignore what happens on it, and you'd have a mess. Here, we need something like the the national guard to patrol our boarders. The boarder patrol isn't enough. Our boarder isn't just big, but we have massive other problems we have to deal with. Drug runners from cartels, contra-band, and even well armed gangs.
Sorry...but active patrols along the Canadian border will have little effect on latinos crossing the US border...

Then don't say I don't want to deal with it. Well, I don't. But that's basically because I couldn't. *sticks out tongue*


you're trying that confusion therapy on me again....?

I would so enjoy licking your throat til your pompous little toes curled

Sorry...but active patrols along the Canadian border will have little effect on latinos crossing the US border...

Oh, in that regard, Canada can do nothing. Mexico needs to be annexed by us or something and have a complete removal of all those blasted corrupt politicians.

Oh, in that regard, Canada can do nothing. Mexico needs to be annexed by us or something and have a complete removal of all those blasted corrupt politicians.
So....you would invade Mexico and then make all Mexican illegals legal? (oh the irony!)

So....you would invade Mexico and then make all Mexican illegals legal? (oh the irony!)

See, my problem isn't the illegals, its the circumstances that are present that allow people to leave their familes and face possible death and extortion just for a DAMNED DECENT JOB. I also do not hate illegals. I hate Mexico for creating such a ridiculous setting of government sponsored criminal behavior.

You REALLY don't know how it is in the boarder regions next to Mexico.

In all honesty, it would make more sense on this "war on terror" to have invaded Mexico than Iraq.

See, my problem isn't the illegals, its the circumstances that are present that allow people to leave their familes and face possible death and extortion just for a DAMNED DECENT JOB. I also do not hate illegals. I hate Mexico for creating such a ridiculous setting of government sponsored criminal behavior.

You REALLY don't know how it is in the boarder regions next to Mexico.

In all honesty, it would make more sense on this "war on terror" to have invaded Mexico than Iraq.
I'm not totally unaware of what it's like on the border regions...I simply don't talk about it because I don't live it. However, I find it interesting that you are endorsing the idea of the US invading Mexico as a way of solving immense political corruption and social inequalities. I don't have such faith that any such invasion could possibly accomplish those things.

At least we can draw the conclusion that Britney is a slut.

Ahem, if all the gringos are making things so difficult, then why don't you vote them out of office? After all, I believe all the Hispanic minorities outnumber the number of Caucasians. This is why the US has been splitting its "Hispanic" ethnicity into "Mexican," "Puerto Rican," "Cuban," and others to try have them remain the minority.

I'm not totally unaware of what it's like on the border regions...I simply don't talk about it because I don't live it. However, I find it interesting that you are endorsing the idea of the US invading Mexico as a way of solving immense political corruption and social inequalities. I don't have such faith that any such invasion could possibly accomplish those things.

But killing and ineffectual action are fun!

But killing and ineffectual action are fun!
Ah...but the US didn't have millions upon millions of Iraqis within its borders when it invaded Iraq...imagine the hornet's nest of civil violence if the US invaded Mexico...

Ah...but the US didn't have millions upon millions of Iraqis within its borders when it invaded Iraq...imagine the hornet's nest of civil violence if the US invaded Mexico...

I'd doubt it. A lot of illegals could go home to their familes and again now that all those people who boned them have been removed. Anyway, its time for me to go. Just remember. Mexico sucks massive penis.

a Caucasian-American... a US citizen of caucasian descent...

What is the difference between Caucasian and aryan?

I guess aryan refers to a specific type of caucasian with blue eyes and blond hair. Caucasian usually means white person, with the exception of Micheal Jackson, who's probably the only famous white black guy. I blame the bad illegals who abuse the welfare system and making it so the US has a semi-closed border. If it wasn't for lazy illegals and terrorists, the US might decide to open its border with Mexico. As long as illlegals don't abuse welfare and don't blow up buildings, they can come. I'm not saying all of them do that. Just a very powerful minority among the minorities.

I think the white trash gives americans a bad name.


Oh, and the people who are from New York, which borders Ontario, who ask, in the middle of a heat wave, whether it's cold here.

Yeah. It's really fucking cold.

Could you explain the term "white trash"?

I'd doubt it. A lot of illegals could go home to their familes and again now that all those people who boned them have been removed. Anyway, its time for me to go. Just remember. Mexico sucks massive penis.

Actually, according to the polls, it's Britney who sucks massive penis.

Seeing how I live in Panama:

A "Gringo" is a white "norteamericano"(which means they are from Canada or the United States). This does not mean all of us. For example, if you speak very good Spanish and know the customs, people won't be calling you gringo for long.

Excuse me? Gringo's giving the rest of America a bad name? No. Gringos did not do that.
(btw.. you don't even know what a gringo is. A gringo is a Texan. It comes from the battle of San Jacinto in which the Texans who won their independence wanted to seperate themselves from Mexico in every way, but they didn't want to be the American Anglos either. They called themselves gringos. A gringo isn't anyone in the US. Common usage is now a person who is white and can't speak Spanish properly. More specific, it is someone ignorant of the other cultures in America.)
I take offense that you call me a gringo for being an American. I am not ignorant of other cultures. My area is 45% Mexican national, and a 80% of Hispanic origin. I embrace and enjoy having both cultures: Mexican and American.
Before you make a post that is obviously made as a discriminatory comment against all citizens of the US, check your facts. Not everyone in the US considers the rest of America as lesser. Many of us want to help and bring it all into a better state. For example, the Central American Free Trade Agreement was just made in the United States to help all areas in North America to be more economically stable. It will further be spread once the South American states can become more economically and politically stable becuase they haven't exactly had a solid past.
Don't make a post against the US without presenting evidence to back up your claim.

I laughed when I read the highlighted portion of the text. Do you know why?

I laughed when I read the highlighted portion of the text. Do you know why?

Because that statement disproves itself?

*wonders what would happen if Border Patrol got really pissed off at illegal immigrants they catch at the border and instead of sending them back to Tijuana, they send them to Mexico City...*

:eek: :D


"DAMMIT!"

*wonders what would happen if Border Patrol got really pissed off at illegal immigrants they catch at the border and instead of sending them back to Tijuana, they send them to Mexico City...*

:eek: :D


"DAMMIT!"

Ever see the movie born in East L.A.? Being half Colombian you might want to carry some ID on you at all times.

Because that statement disproves itself?

Don't you know a rhetorical question when you see one?

Don't you know a rhetorical question when you see one?

Obviously not. :D

Obviously not. :D

Oh the comedy!

Ever see the movie born in East L.A.? Being half Colombian you might want to carry some ID on you at all times.
No but apparently I might want to look into it.

And, looking more Arab than Colombian, I have other problems to deal with. Nothing big though.

I'm only 15 so I don't even need an ID. But I kinda want one so I don't have to keep using the one they give us in high school.


Anywaaaaay...what would the movie be about then?

No but apparently I might want to look into it.

And, looking more Arab than Colombian, I have other problems to deal with. Nothing big though.

I'm only 15 so I don't even need an ID. But I kinda want one so I don't have to keep using the one they give us in high school.


Anywaaaaay...what would the movie be about then?

It stars Cheech Marin. Being only 15 you probably haven't discovered the Cheech and Chong flicks yet. It's about an American citizen who is deported to Mexico because La Migra arrest him and he isn't carrying ID. He keeps insisting he is born in East L.A. but no one listens. It's a comedy.

P.S. I'm half Colombian too and I get mistaken for Arab, Italian, Indian, etc.

No. Ive found that the vast majority of all people (actually, every single person I have ever met) can differentiate between someone from the US and someone from other parts of America.

Does this include Mexicans who are born and raised in Los Angeles and Mexicans who are born and raised in Tiajuana?

Unless you count movies. US movies give the rest of America a bad name. They keep making these movies that make a mockery of what the rest of America is like and do not resemble the true countries they purport to display at all. So, if you mean Hollywood, then yes they are giving the rest of America a bad name, but if you meant just the general behavior of people from the US or of their government, then no.

I agree, Hollywood does stereotype and makes xenophobia much more socially acceptable than it should be. But review this thread and you will see a several cases of xenophobia demonstrated by your fellow gringos who, I'm assuming, are not Hollywood producers.

Ahem, if all the gringos are making things so difficult, then why don't you vote them out of office? After all, I believe all the Hispanic minorities outnumber the number of Caucasians. This is why the US has been splitting its "Hispanic" ethnicity into "Mexican," "Puerto Rican," "Cuban," and others to try have them remain the minority.

I have come to notice that in the US you considered Hispanic as a race, and everyone who is from Latin America is of that race. I am from the southern cone of South America and we are mostly caucasians, more than half the people that I know are descendants of europeans on first to third line. In places like Uruguay, more than 80% of the country is caucasian.

This was a hard poll. Cause I don't like wetbacks calling me a gringo, but Britney is also a slut.
My thoughts excactly! But I went with the wetback comment, assuming that everyone knows Brittany is a slut!

An American.

Dear Stinky Head Cheese,

An American is not a Gringo. An American is anyone born in the territories that stretch from Alaska to Chile. Just like a European is anyone born in the territories between the UK and Russia.

Yours truly,

Oye Oye

What is the difference between Caucasian and aryan?

Technically an aryan is any blood descendant of the Atlantean civilization, which is rumoured to have existed before the Egyptians and whose citizens had blue eyes and blond hair. A caucasian is a descendant of the peoples who migrated from Africa across the Caucasus mountains and into Russia then Europe.

Of course this terminology is predicated on personal belief. So by consequence if one does not believe in the lost city of Atlantis, that precludes one from belief in the Aryan race.

This thread is just plain stupid. The answer is no.

Hahahah, I find it completely laughable to hear Hispanics call people like myself "gringoes", and yet they come from pathetic excuses of countries? For fuck's sakes... Hehe! It just brings a smile to my face when I hear "gringo" being used as an insult... oh the irony! Haha!

Hahahah, I find it completely laughable to hear Hispanics call people like myself "gringoes", and yet they come from pathetic excuses of countries? For fuck's sakes... Hehe! It just brings a smile to my face when I hear "gringo" being used as an insult... oh the irony! Haha!

Erm...you just validated their opinion though.

So there are these two Iraqi's who are very close friends, and sign up to be spies for Osama. They both are put undercover and sent to America. After several years they (by pure chance) run into each other in a McDonalds, the one, being excited to see his freind, runs up to him, and greets him in his native toungue. He then continues to speak Arabic, until the second one chastizes him "We're undercover. We're in America. Speak Spanish you idiot."

Well, Spanish is the most widely used language in the Americas. ;)

only those gringos who guard the border with mexico and wish to god they were allowed to shoot illegal aliens.

the rest are fine.

anglos is the less charged term.

Anglos only refers to people who are descendants of the Anglos and the Saxons (who were originally from Germany). Gringo is more commonly used to describe english speaking people from the U.S.

Definition of Gringo:
Used as a disparaging term for a foreigner in Latin America, especially an American or English person.

And if your talking about Americans going into Latin America, then well I have no idea, but if your talking about Latin americans coming into the US well that's different. I believe that all of the illegal aliens, who commit crimes, and take jobs, while not being citizens give people a bad name, but Mexican citizens are perfectly fine in my point of view.

[QUOTE]Definition of Gringo:
Used as a disparaging term for a foreigner in Latin America, especially an American or English person.

The definition of Gringo has already been provided and this ain't it. As far as modern connotations, it depends on whose using the word.

And if your talking about Americans going into Latin America, then well I have no idea, but if your talking about Latin americans coming into the US well that's different.

How can you make the distinction between one and the other when you have no prior knowledge of the first. It's kind of like saying, "I have no idea what a brown egg is, but talking about white eggs, well that's different."

I believe that all of the illegal aliens, who commit crimes, and take jobs, while not being citizens give people a bad name, but Mexican citizens are perfectly fine in my point of view.

I believe anyone who commits crimes should be put in jail, but what previous experience with Mexicans do you have that implies they are the only ones who commit crimes or take jobs. And what's wrong with taking jobs in territory that was originally Mexico?

[QUOTE=Valori]

The definition of Gringo has already been provided and this ain't it. As far as modern connotations, it depends on whose using the word.



How can you make the distinction between one and the other when you have no prior knowledge of the first. It's kind of like saying, "I have no idea what a brown egg is, but talking about white eggs, well that's different."



I believe anyone who commits crimes should be put in jail, but what previous experience with Mexicans do you have that implies they are the only ones who commit crimes or take jobs. And what's wrong with taking jobs in territory that was originally Mexico?

Well, That's what, get this, dictionary.com says.

And I was saying I don't know about Americans going into Mexico. The "distinction" was, that I know about Mexicans coming into the US, while I don't know about Americans going into Mexico.

Also, considering I've had illegals rob my home, try to commit grand theft auto, and beat my best friend for her purse, I think I have a stand point. I know not only illegals do it, but the difference is, when they are citizens we can punish them, when they are illegal all we can is warn them and deport them. And for this I was talking about Mexicans coming into the US. And I don't care what formerly was, that's as foolish as saying, "Well Damn, Brazil belonged to Portugal at one point, so they can border hop all they want." I don't think so.

First off, I'd like to differentiate a gramatical problem:

People from the United States of America are referred to as Americans. This is the only name we have. There is no 'Canada' or 'Brazil' or any other name associated with the country as a whole(with the exception of Columbia, but that's too close to Colombia, I am sure you will all agree). This means we can only be referred to as "Americans", because you can all admit that "United Statsians" sounds silly. And anyway, we've earned this. Maybe you guys forgot, but we are the longest running government in the world. That's right. We haven't changed our form of government in nearly 230 years. If anyone else had the right to be called "American" prior to us, their government has long since changed. Therefore we are called Americans simply because the lack of a better name as well as pure seniority.

If you live on the continent of North or South America, you technically <i>aren't</i> an American. Remember, Americans = USA. You are a NORTH American or a SOUTH American. In the USA, we are Americans as well as North Americans.

To futher disambiguate, "America" does not refer to North and South America. As a matter of fact, it never has. The two continents comprise "The Americas". Once again, for lack of a better name, the title is ours.

If you other inhabitants of The Americas want to challenge us, go right ahead, we've got the world's largest economy(not gdp per capita but we're #3 give me a break) and most powerful millitary. Now, with that said;

We are also a democracy. A Federal Democratic Republic to be exact. This means that we're not one entity. We don't all agree. Hell, most of us don't agree. If you haven't been paying attention, our President was just barely re-elected. When you say "The USA is being dumb about it" please remember that alot of us don't agree with our leadership, and to take Bush as an example of America is to be naive.

Even though we work on a 2 party system, trust me, very rarely do I find two people who agree about government on every issue.

Now as far as movies and stuff go- what can I say, we're capitalists, and damn good ones. Hollywood has this magic ability of producing crap movies and getting people to go see them. Even we think they're bad. And when it comes to accuratly representing other countries- it's because we're an ethnocentrist society to be frank. Our culture is ours, and although we steal bits and peices, anything that is directly foreign is viewed that way(when it comes to pop culture and such). This means we don't see much of the outside world because everything we want is here. Yes, we're guilded. When we make movies and productions that involve other countries, we don't know what their like because few Americans leave the country and see the rest of the world for what it is. If we do leave the country, then either 1.)We're rich and get the same treatment anyway or 2.)we just don't write screenplays about it.

I'm sure you've all seen Japanese films that do a horrible job of portraying another country. It just happens, sorry.

[QUOTE=Oye Oye]

Well, That's what, get this, dictionary.com says.

[QUOTE]And I was saying I don't know about Americans going into Mexico. The "distinction" was, that I know about Mexicans coming into the US, while I don't know about Americans going into Mexico.

Going back to the eggs analogy. One set is known the other is unknown, so why make the distinction, which you clearly have by making the point of discussing Mexican immigration versus US immigration. Both sets of people crossing over the border do so of their own free will, because they hope to gain something on the other side. The only difference is it is legal for some and not legal for others.

Also, considering I've had illegals rob my home, try to commit grand theft auto, and beat my best friend for her purse, I think I have a stand point. I know not only illegals do it, but the difference is, when they are citizens we can punish them, when they are illegal all we can is warn them and deport them. And for this I was talking about Mexicans coming into the US. And I don't care what formerly was, that's as foolish as saying, "Well Damn, Brazil belonged to Portugal at one point, so they can border hop all they want." I don't think so.

Mexico was divided and annexed by the U.S. through the use of force. It wasn't purchased, like Louisiana, nor was the right for U.S. settlers negotiated or bartered. In otherwords, it was taken illegally. So why should Mexicans play by your rules now?

I couldn't resist the 'Britney is a slut' option.

First off, I'd like to differentiate a gramatical problem:

[QUOTE]People from the United States of America are referred to as Americans. This is the only name we have. There is no 'Canada' or 'Brazil' or any other name associated with the country as a whole(with the exception of Columbia, but that's too close to Colombia, I am sure you will all agree). This means we can only be referred to as "Americans", because you can all admit that "United Statsians" sounds silly. And anyway, we've earned this. Maybe you guys forgot, but we are the longest running government in the world. That's right. We haven't changed our form of government in nearly 230 years. If anyone else had the right to be called "American" prior to us, their government has long since changed. Therefore we are called Americans simply because the lack of a better name as well as pure seniority.

I would buy that argument one hundred percent if you were Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux or a descendant of the original inhabitants of this continent.

Not to be rude, but quite frankley I don't care how the land was taken. All I know, is that it no longer belongs to Mexico, so if they want to live in it, then become proper citizens.

Not to be rude, but quite frankley I don't care how the land was taken. All I know, is that it no longer belongs to Mexico, so if they want to live in it, then become proper citizens.

If you don't care about Mexico's history why should Mexicans care about your present? See this whole issue is about respect. If you don't give it, don't expect it.

I do care about their History, however the time is of the present. Just because France owned Louisiana back in the day, doesn't mean they should have free acess to it now.

Respect means, acknowledging that the land is no longer theirs, and respecting the Americans. If they want us to respect them, then they should apply for citizenship. It is about respect, and the most respectful thing for them to do, is to become part of our society like every other immigrant.

[QUOTE=Valori][QUOTE=Oye Oye]Mexico was divided and annexed by the U.S. through the use of force. It wasn't purchased, like Louisiana, nor was the right for U.S. settlers negotiated or bartered. In otherwords, it was taken illegally. So why should Mexicans play by your rules now?

It wasn't taken illegally. It was annexed through a TREATY which is an agreement that such land is LEGALLY aquired. The US had such a decisive victory over that corrupt hell hole that is mexico (why you defend that lame ass corrupt nation that subjects its citizens to economic ruin is beyond this hispanic) that we could have had the WHOLE damned country if the US wanted to. Mexico was owned as bad as France during the Blitzkreg during that Mexican-American "war" (or should I call it pwnage?). And here's the thing, the US did it without needing that many troops.

It wasn't taken illegally. It was won. Period. And to boot, it wasn't taken from a legit republic (which means government run by a representative body of the people). Santa Anna was the dictator who abolished the Mexican Constitution of 1824. He SOLD it to the US legally. There was no republic institution or body of members representing the will of the defeated Mexican people to stop him from sellling it to us to save his ass.

If your going to defend such a pathetic nation, learn some history. I can only hope you don't live in US territory, because your a damned leech if you are.

I would buy that argument one hundred percent if you were Navajo, Cherokee, Sioux or a descendant of the original inhabitants of this continent.

As a matter of fact, I have Choctaw blood in me. Europeans invaded america, thats all there is to it, just like when muslims invaded spain, or when vikings invaded the british isles. It's very sad that some cultures were wiped out, but thats how time ebbs and flows.

Regardless, the US has a large number of Native Americans and descendants from them, that is undeniable. Especially in places like the south and midwest. They're members of the Union, just like everyone else.

But regardless, it's more of a matter of prose then it is history.

[QUOTE]I do care about their History, however the time is of the present. Just because France owned Louisiana back in the day, doesn't mean they should have free acess to it now.

This is exactly my point. Louisiana was purchased from the French. California, Nevada, Texas and Arizona were stolen.

Respect means, acknowledging that the land is no longer theirs, and respecting the Americans.

Mexicans are Americans and have a greater claim to that title since they were here first.

If they want us to respect them, then they should apply for citizenship. It is about respect, and the most respectful thing for them to do, is to become part of our society like every other immigrant.

The thing that you and many other people from the U.S. fail to understand is that Mexicans are not immigrants.

As always, the damn hypocrite mods tolerate threads prejudiced against whites, but not anyone else. Imagine if the thread were called "are the [insert minority group here] giving the rest of us Americans a bad name?" I've come across many hypocrites in my life time, but none as hypocritical or prone to double-standards as the mods here. :rolleyes:

As always, the damn hypocrite mods tolerate threads prejudiced against whites, but not anyone else. Imagine if the thread were called "are the [insert minority group here] giving the rest of us Americans a bad name?" I've come across many hypocrites in my life time, but none as hypocritical or prone to double-standards as the mods here. :rolleyes:

As has already been established, the term "Gringo" is not exclusively used towards anglo saxons, nor is every anglo saxon considered a Gringo. This thread was phrased as such, because people from the U.S. insist on calling themselves "American", which is innacurate if it is intended to differentiate themselves from the rest of the continent.

This thread could easily be titled; "Are the Yanks giving Americans a bad name?" or, if you want to deal with minority groups it could be; "Is the KKK giving Americans a bad name?" or "Are skinheads giving Americans a bad name?" I've seen several threads regarding "Chavs", do you object to those aswell?

I was referring to hispanic immigrants. You can take a look at the statistics on overpopulation and poverty in the US, which entirely justifies my generalizations.

You know the Navajo had the exact same complaint about the British about two hundred years ago.

[QUOTE=Valori]

This is exactly my point. Louisiana was purchased from the French. California, Nevada, Texas and Arizona were stolen.



Mexicans are Americans and have a greater claim to that title since they were here first.

I note how you couldn't even counter my arguement. Just do us a favor and don't criticize someone else for knowing as much history as you do. All I know, is that Mexico's government is the reason for the massive issue with illegal immigration along the boarder. The minutemen are not at fault for anything. They aren't creating an enviornment where people risk their lives to get the hell out of the country.

If Mexico didn't subject its citizens to the poverty that it does, trade relations between the countries would be similar as it is with Canada. What divides Mexicans from Americans is not language. Its economic abuses.

[QUOTE=Oye Oye]

I note how you couldn't even counter my arguement. Just do us a favor and don't criticize someone else for knowing as much history as you do. All I know, is that Mexico's government is the reason for the massive issue with illegal immigration along the boarder. The minutemen are not at fault for anything. They aren't creating an enviornment where people risk their lives to get the hell out of the country.

If Mexico didn't subject its citizens to the poverty that it does, trade relations between the countries would be similar as it is with Canada. What divides Mexicans from Americans is not language. Its economic abuses.
So it had nothing to do with America pinching Florida, Texas and new Mexico from them, and therfore ending up with all the oil revenue?

Britney is a slut 58 45.31%

Atleast one good thing about the post... a lil truth :)

The short Mexican Dictator could not even hold on to Texas. They should have known better than to pick a war with The Yankees. They lost their capital and traded away land which the natives would not even let them develop, in exchange for their polluted, filthy crime infested capital. No offence is intended, but it is the truth. The Mexican Government is a corrupt socialist morass more interested in symbolically reintroducing cannibalism than helping its people.

As long as they can so easily export the poverty they create, they will never have a motive, to help themselves.

[QUOTE=Valori]

This is exactly my point. Louisiana was purchased from the French. California, Nevada, Texas and Arizona were stolen.



Mexicans are Americans and have a greater claim to that title since they were here first.



The thing that you and many other people from the U.S. fail to understand is that Mexicans are not immigrants.

So it was stolen, it is still no longer theirs. And Latin American belonged to the Aztecs and Indians before any of you got there in the first place. And you are immigrants, the land does not belong to your country. If the land, doesn't belong to the country of which you are a citizen, then you are therefore an immigrant. And as stated previously, it wasn't stolen, but conquested, just like all of your Spanish immigrants did to the original indigenous people.

Stolen isn't the right word. Militarily Occupied would be better. And for the last damn time, Americans (USA) are 'Americans because our national title is the United States of America. If any other country in North or South America had it in there title they could be exclusively 'American'. However, the fact that we all live on the continent of North or South America means that Canadians, Americans (USA) and Mexicans are North Americans while everyone south of them and up until columbia are Central Americans and everone south of that are South Americans. Not that it really matters anyway.

Oh yes, and lets not be concerned about the friggen mexicans there whole 'La Raza' concept basically states that they 'gave' it to the whites to fix up so they could come back for it later. Forgive me for not thinking that is ok.

[QUOTE=Americai]
So it had nothing to do with America pinching Florida, Texas and new Mexico from them, and therfore ending up with all the oil revenue?

Actually, we (U.S.) ended up with gold deposits. Mexico's oil reserves are still mostly based in the Mexico city region. The problem is that the government is a corrupt entity that doesn't use the oil to bring up its economy. It goes to a FEW wealthy individuals even worse than the characters you saw in "Dallas". Texas is the only region that holds oil reserves in great quantities. However, it is in east Texas that the reserves lie. Which is still a region that was legitimately won in our war for independence. The disputed between Texas and Mexico area was in my region. The region north of the Rio Grande.

We Tejanos and Texans WON our independence from Mexico legitimately as the United States Texas won it from Britain. You must understand, Oye oye doesn't know his damned history. Had Mexican's rose up against Santa Anna preventing him from abolishing the Mexican Constitution, Mexico would still contain the Texas region because that was the reason for the war as was a law abolishing slavery. We Tejano's however had a right to rebel. We didn't want to live in a dictatorship. So don't defend him or his pathetic country. It is the cause of so many problems to the US's souther region.

Stolen isn't the right word. Militarily Occupied would be better. And for the last damn time, Americans (USA) are 'Americans because our national title is the United States of America. If any other country in North or South America had it in there title they could be exclusively 'American'. However, the fact that we all live on the continent of North or South America means that Canadians, Americans (USA) and Mexicans are North Americans while everyone south of them and up until columbia are Central Americans and everone south of that are South Americans. Not that it really matters anyway.

Oh yes, and lets not be concerned about the friggen mexicans there whole 'La Raza' concept basically states that they 'gave' it to the whites to fix up so they could come back for it later. Forgive me for not thinking that is ok.

Oh, cut the crap. It was legitimately won and annexed. Mexico wasn't a republic then. It was a dictatorship and the DICTATOR GAVE IT AWAY. Second, I agree with the "raza"" issue. Mexican-Americans who use that word are people who are likely more loyal to a race or ethnicity than they are to a people, principle, and to our republic. So ignore them. Their opinions don't mean crap. People don't listen to the KKK or a Black Panther so why listen to them?

I take offense to the term gringo. As a white American I am constantly bombarded by bland, unspicy Mexican food. It is humiliating and inhuman that I am forced to go out of my way to order my carnitas extra spicey.

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Actually, we (U.S.) ended up with gold deposits. Mexico's oil reserves are still mostly based in the Mexico city region. The problem is that the government is a corrupt entity that doesn't use the oil to bring up its economy. It goes to a FEW wealthy individuals even worse than the characters you saw in "Dallas". Texas is the only region that holds oil reserves in great quantities. However, it is in east Texas that the reserves lie. Which is still a region that was legitimately won in our war for independence. The disputed between Texas and Mexico area was in my region. The region north of the Rio Grande.

We Tejanos and Texans WON our independence from Mexico legitimately as the United States Texas won it from Britain. You must understand, Oye oye doesn't know his damned history. Had Mexican's rose up against Santa Anna preventing him from abolishing the Mexican Constitution, Mexico would still contain the Texas region because that was the reason for the war as was a law abolishing slavery. We Tejano's however had a right to rebel. We didn't want to live in a dictatorship. So don't defend him or his pathetic country. It is the cause of so many problems to the US's souther region.



Oh, cut the crap. It was legitimately won and annexed. Mexico wasn't a republic then. It was a dictatorship and the DICTATOR GAVE IT AWAY. Second, I agree with the "raza"" issue. Mexican-Americans who use that word are people who are likely more loyal to a race or ethnicity than they are to a people, principle, and to our republic. So ignore them. Their opinions don't mean crap. People don't listen to the KKK or a Black Panther so why listen to them?
So what about all the offshore oil and gas that, had florida, texas and New mexico remained part of Mexico not have belonged to the US.
Legitimatetly won! I will have to remember that one :-)

[QUOTE=Americai]So what about all the offshore oil and gas that, had florida, texas and New mexico remained part of Mexico not have belonged to the US.
Legitimatetly won! I will have to remember that one :-)

Wtf? Florida was purchased peacefully from Spain in a treaty. What history book are YOU reading? Because, goddamned.. you are OFF when it comes to historical facts. You lost a LOT of credibility already. Florida part of Mexico.. ha! I have to remember that one!

Texas rebelled and WON its independence legitimately for two reasons from Mexico, the abolishment of the Constitution of 1824 and the installment of a dictator (which doesn't sit well with Americans to begin with obviously) and slavery. Because we won a decisive battle against the dictator in charge of the state, he decided to give Texas its independence in exchange for his life. This is NO different than the terms in which US won its independence.

And there are not nearly as much oil reserves in New Mexico as there is in Texas. The biggest kick to Mexico was our gold deposits.

[QUOTE]So it was stolen, it is still no longer theirs. And Latin American belonged to the Aztecs and Indians before any of you got there in the first place.

Mistake number 1. You assume I am Mexican.

Mistake number 2. You assume Mexicans are not native Americans. Although I am not Mexican I have native American ancestry. As do the vast majority of Mexicans.

Mistake number 3. There were no Indians in the Americas before the British imported them as migrant workers.

And you are immigrants, the land does not belong to your country. If the land, doesn't belong to the country of which you are a citizen, then you are therefore an immigrant.

The land does not belong to the country, it belongs to the people who own it. But then the issue here is not ownership of the land. It is about the freedom to travel to another country to work for a living.

And as stated previously, it wasn't stolen, but conquested, just like all of your Spanish immigrants did to the original indigenous people.

For future reference the word is "conquered". Now in the past I've accused other posters of not properly reading my posts, but are you reading your own?

So it was stolen

These are your words.

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I note how you couldn't even counter my arguement. Just do us a favor and don't criticize someone else for knowing as much history as you do. All I know, is that Mexico's government is the reason for the massive issue with illegal immigration along the boarder. The minutemen are not at fault for anything. They aren't creating an enviornment where people risk their lives to get the hell out of the country.

If Mexico didn't subject its citizens to the poverty that it does, trade relations between the countries would be similar as it is with Canada. What divides Mexicans from Americans is not language. Its economic abuses.

Patience Americai... I'm saving you for dessert.

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Patience Americai... I'm saving you for dessert.

If it takes you this long to make a response for the post I first put in response to you, then it is probably because you are taking the time to learn some goddamned basic history.

Let me tell you something, I now at this point could care less about your 3 days due 'dessert'. You either don't have a rebuttle or have to run to someone else who knows what the **** i'm talking about.

And for the last damn time, Americans (USA) are 'Americans because our national title is the United States of America.

Then you are of America, part of something larger, and do not represent the entire Americas.

If it takes you this long to make a response for the post I first put in response to you, then it is probably because you are taking the time to learn some goddamned basic history.

Let me tell you something, I now at this point could care less about your 3 days due 'dessert'. You either don't have a rebuttle or have to run to someone else who knows what the **** i'm talking about.

Patience Americai... I will respond to your posts "at a time of my own choosing." ;)

Being from Los Angeles, it's always painful to see Catholic [Hispanic] immigrants or illegal citizens who, albeit hardworking and well intentioned, make the situation worse for their families and the city by having more children than they could feasibly take care of, let alone more than is proper and considerate to have.

How would you seek to remedy this situation? Would you implement a "one child" per family law? Didn't China try something similar?

The Republic of the United States.

[QUOTE]I live in the hispanic culture. There is NOTHING here that addresses teaching their children to honor the Constitution or its purpose.

How does this distinguish a Latino child born and raised in the U.S. from any other child born in the U.S.?

I had to discover it myself. Every hispanic adult and parent is more intrested in having you eat traditional food,

Which is a lot healthier than eating at McDonalds.

knowing hispanics that are getting in pop culture,

An example of a latino success story in the U.S., what a terrible thing to teach a child about.

and traditional practices

Heritage, tradition... can't have that now can we?

than learning how our government is supposed to behave and how WE are supposed to behave with the government.

How many Anglo Americans are aware of this? How many Anglo American parents push their kids to learn about the government?

Those who do such as myself, frankly had to learn it on our own and by example of someone outside of our culture.

You are one in several million. My own parents, uncles and aunts push me and my cousins to work hard at school, learn about our government and be productive citizens. The difference is that most of my cousins are bilingual and are familiar not only with the culture of the country they live in, but also the country of their origin. Being multicultural has not limited my awareness of domestic politics, but has allowed me to see how it relates to foreign affairs.

Unfortunately for most immigrants, they probably don't even know that they live in a Republic. They are brainwashed to believe burning the nation's flag (Mexico) is illegal and wrong, owning guns is wrong, catholisism should be a state religion, and as soon as a nation is screwed up enough, you pick up your bags and leave and not do **** about fixing it.

I think the possession and manufacturing of firearms is wrong and should be banned. Does this make me uneducated? Does it make me unpatriotic? With regards to immigrants, again you are generalizing. There are a lot of people born in the U.S. who are of Anglo/European descent that are brainwashed. ie. Neo Nazis, KKK, the followers of David Koresh....

Why the hell would illegals be loyal to the "republic of mexico"? Mexicans didn't do **** when Santa Anna abolished their first Constitution. (Only Tejanos did.) They also have no legitimate government. The corruption is so bad there, Mexico has a legitimate rebellious movement (Zapatist) in their own goddamned capital. I almost laugh at the thought of Mexico having a legitimate republic. Its just a government body of people ****ing other people over.

It's not so much that they are loyal to Mexico, as much as they are "illegals". therefor if they are deported they need a place to go. Since this place is Mexico, they send money back home to their family rather than reinvesting it in property in the U.S.

With regards to corruption, all countries have different levels of corruption. If life is difficult in Mexico this is a result of their historical relationship with the U.S.

In fact, one of the biggest reasons Mexico is adamant against the minute men is because illegals send US dollars over to mexico at such a degree that Mexico's economy literally depends on it. They can't approve of the US enforcing law on their citizens. Rich Mexicans who control every aspect of Mexico would be ****ed royally.

If you are alluding to the fact that it is the rich Mexicans and the rich Gringos who reap the benefits of NAFTA, I agree 100%. Meanwhile it is the poor Mexicans who must risk their lives to find work, and the poor Gringos who lose their jobs when someone like Roger Smith decides to build a factory south of the boarder.

Well, it shouldn't be as hot. Canada is farther away from the equator. Of course, with the state of the American educational system(not enough teachers, over-payed officials, and way too many students. The illegals aren't helping at all.

So it's the illegals that are the cause of the overburdened school system? I have an idea, why don't you petition your government to redirect funds going to the border patrol (as it is evidently not doing the job) and put the money into building more schools. You could even hire the illegals to teach Spanish, that is if they have time to spare from cooking your meals, cleaning your toilets and taking out the trash.

Plus, they are hurting the people who came here legally by reproducing in record numbers(why is it that poorer people have more kids than richer people?) and putting those kids in school. Only be surprised if they can read or speak decent English.

You're absolutely right. We must start a campaign to sterilize the poor.

As for the question, no. Caucasian Americans are among the ranks of Mexican Americans, African Americans, Native Americans, etc. as true Americans.

Yes Caucasians, Africans, Natives and Mexicans are all part of the same wonderful race... the human race. Are you?

Sin- they dont hide-they are everywhere. I will say that many I see are working-working hard, or walking to work.

Dont be naive. this is a problem you dont want to deal with. And only a country as great and as diverse and rich as the United States could absorb this # of people, that dont pay taxes, but do burden the system tremendously.

Ofcourse, considering that as illegals they have no rights to healthcare, public education or minimum wage. But that's why they are illegal. Because their presence benefits the owners of businesses in which they work, while their illegal status prevents them from claiming the same rights as other U.S. citizens who don't work nearly as much.

wow, there is one thing this factual and scientific poll proves....

ok,
as an Australian (Queenslander- brought-up-in) who is an immigrant who also lived in NZ and Britain as a child, with strong British family links of language,
to ME a 'gringo' was a Mexican from Mexico in North America --> a Mexican to a Queenslander is a New South Welshman or Victorian so NSWmen or Victorians are gringos. hmm, thats regionalism for you.
I was sure that I used to hear the term gringo in those cartoons with the mexican mice eating the cheese all the time - -- speedy gonzales. I thought it just meant friend or something in Mexican Spanish.

[QUOTE]I think that it is nervy calling us gringos when we dont know Spanish and yet we are being forced to translate just about everything and provide for the Spanish language but we dont require anyone living here on a green card or illegally to learn our DAMN language . Come over here and expect our free services etc. and no hablas engles!!! Im sick of that! I wish we would pass laws requiring citizenship before free services. I have no problem with anyone wanting live and work here but can you not at least make an attempt to learn English. There are tons free services teaching it to anyone who wants to learn. Try to understand our culture and quit forcing yours on us.

Are you talking about the Mexicans living in Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Antonio, San Diego and other cities that are clearly Spanish in origin?

Oh and there is a lot of generalizing here not all hispanics are Mexicans, Puerto Ricans have a legal right to be here, and not all of these families produce copious amounts of children either.

Thank God for that. Lord knows only Anglo Americans have the right to breed as they choose.

Im mad because for one thing this woman had no driver's license , no english skills, (probably no green card) and she hit my car and didnt even get arrested for any of it because boo hoo!! no comprendo! tough shit for me! It wasnt even her car she borrowed it! I let it drop because of no damage but she should have gotten some sort of fine or something.

You let it drop. So why are you bitching about it now?

OH by the way puta -means whore! I dont think it would work on a male.

It's good to see your making an effort to bridge the cultural gap.

[QUOTE]See, my problem isn't the illegals, its the circumstances that are present that allow people to leave their familes and face possible death and extortion just for a DAMNED DECENT JOB. I also do not hate illegals. I hate Mexico for creating such a ridiculous setting of government sponsored criminal behavior.

The circumstances present that force people to leave their families are created by immigration laws. If you review the history of these laws you will see that Congress loosens restrictions in times of need and tightens them once the work is done. For example, during the Great Depression, when dust bowl farmers from Texas and Oklahoma poured into California, Mexicans were unneeded. Between 1929 and 1935, more than 415,000 Mexicans were expelled and thousands more left voluntarily. The legal pretext for deportation was that many Mexicans lacked proof of legal residency (even though no visa had been necessary prior to 1929). Then World War II created another labor shortage. The Mexican and United States governments established the Bracero Program, a system of labor permits for temporary workers, which lasted until 1964. In the early 1950s, however, rising unemployment led to mass roundups and deportations. This wave of "repatriation," known as Operation Wetback, sent more than one million Mexicans to Mexico in 1954. The Immigration Act of 1965, which established immigration quotas for the countries of the Western Hemisphere, had the ironic effect of encouraging undocumented entry into the United States.

As a matter of fact, I have Choctaw blood in me. Europeans invaded america, thats all there is to it, just like when muslims invaded spain, or when vikings invaded the british isles. It's very sad that some cultures were wiped out, but thats how time ebbs and flows.

Did the Muslims claim the name Europe represented the land they occupied? Did the name European only apply to those Muslims?


Regardless, the US has a large number of Native Americans and descendants from them, that is undeniable. Especially in places like the south and midwest. They're members of the Union, just like everyone else.

To bad they live on reservations and are treated with almost as much discrimination as Mexicans.

But regardless, it's more of a matter of prose then it is history.

Well, when facts fail I guess it's always nice to use big words so you can pretend like you know what you are talking about. ;)

I guess aryan refers to a specific type of caucasian with blue eyes and blond hair. Caucasian usually means white person, with the exception of Micheal Jackson, who's probably the only famous white black guy. I blame the bad illegals who abuse the welfare system and making it so the US has a semi-closed border. If it wasn't for lazy illegals and terrorists, the US might decide to open its border with Mexico. As long as illlegals don't abuse welfare and don't blow up buildings, they can come. I'm not saying all of them do that. Just a very powerful minority among the minorities.

Are you claiming that Mexicans or other ethnic minorities are the only people responsible for the problems in the U.S.? I guess Aryans have never blown up buildings or terrorized people. Also you might want to read a bit of history regarding the immigration laws of the U.S. Whenever southern states are in need of laborers the immigration laws become very relaxed. Surprisingly enough, when the work is done, Mexicans are no longer welcomed.