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http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_pot-seed-20050729

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/a/190163.htm

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002410756_emery30m.html

Marc Emery, the self-proclaimed "Prince of Pot", and leader of the British Colombia Marijuana Party, has been arrested after an 18-month investigation by U.S. and Canadian authorities. His multi-million dollar business of selling marijuana seeds and paraphenalia has been shut down and his establishments in Vancouver raided by the RCMP. He faces a possible 10 years to Life Sentence if he is extradited to the United States.

In a public statement, he dared to compare himself to Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and other peaceful activists, and says that he will accept his jail sentence if it will mean the end of oppression for millions of people.

For those who may not be familiar with the whole thing, the BC Marijuana Party has only one purpose: They plan to legalize marijuana, tax its sale, and use that revenue to balance the budget. "Well what about ________", you may ask. The reply will likely be: "....................whatever?"

I hope this guy is sent to a jail in Arizona.

http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_pot-seed-20050729

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/a/190163.htm

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002410756_emery30m.html

Marc Emery, the self-proclaimed "Prince of Pot", and leader of the British Colombia Marijuana Party, has been arrested after an 18-month investigation by U.S. and Canadian authorities. His multi-million dollar business of selling marijuana seeds and paraphenalia has been shut down and his establishments in Vancouver raided by the RCMP. He faces a possible 10 years to Life Sentence if he is extradited to the United States.

In a public statement, he dared to compare himself to Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and other peaceful activists, and says that he will accept his jail sentence if it will mean the end of oppression for millions of people.

For those who may not be familiar with the whole thing, the BC Marijuana Party has only one purpose: They plan to legalize marijuana, tax its sale, and use that revenue to balance the budget. "Well what about ________", you may ask. The reply will likely be: "....................whatever?"

I hope this guy is sent to a jail in Arizona.




.....AHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! *wipes a tear from her eye* thanks, I needed some funny news :D

The point of the marijuana party is not mean't as an actual party. Much like the Rhino party, the marijuana party is just a symbol meant to make a point (in this case it has to do with legalizing marijuana).

Making parties to get headline attention to a certain topic is common in Canada...

And I personally don't see the rationale behind making pot illegal.

You figure our police would have bigger things to worry about. Like...you know, terrorism. Arresting people for selling things that hsould be legal to consume in the first place is a waste of time and money.

You figure our police would have bigger things to worry about. Like...you know, terrorism. Arresting people for selling things that hsould be legal to consume in the first place is a waste of time and money.



Yeah, luckily these things deserve to be illegal so cops aren't wasting their time :p

Well we could legalize the damn thing and make 40+ billion dollars a year from it.

Or keep it illegal and waste billions of dollars. You know, whichever seems easier.

Marc Emery used to own and run Citylights used book shop here in London, Ontario. My mum was friends with him!
yay
It's ridiculous that smoking up is still illegal here.
Seriously, the government needs to give it up. We are all smoking it.

Yeah, luckily these things deserve to be illegal so cops aren't wasting their time :pWhat did pot ever do to you?

Yeah, luckily these things deserve to be illegal so cops aren't wasting their time :p

What scares me is that I actually agree with you.

What did pot ever do to you?


Nothing, I luckily don't have to deal with druggies anymore. For those who it does affect, however, it does plenty.

What scares me is that I actually agree with you.



It's ok, I've agreed with Lyric and Mesatecala too, recently. It must be bizarro week :D

Marc Emery used to own and run Citylights used book shop here in London, Ontario. My mum was friends with him!
yay
It's ridiculous that smoking up is still illegal here.
Seriously, the government needs to give it up. We are all smoking it.


The same could be said for murder, rape, speeding, cheating on taxes, etc.

I hope the Canadian government will not extradite him. Hes OUR pothead.

Nothing, I luckily don't have to deal with druggies anymore. For those who it does affect, however, it does plenty.

Yep. Drugs will screw up your head almost as much as religion. :p

Marc Emery used to own and run Citylights used book shop here in London, Ontario. My mum was friends with him!
yay
It's ridiculous that smoking up is still illegal here.
Seriously, the government needs to give it up. We are all smoking it.
Hey are you a local london smoker too?

You know what? I want to move to america, Kill someone, go to jail, become good Friends with Marc Emery and get out before he does. cos like Pot is SO much worse than Murder.

Yep. Drugs will screw up your head almost as much as religion. :p



/growl

Yep. Drugs will screw up your head almost as much as religion. :p

Pure poetry.

well that sucks. I hope they keep him in Canada and find him not guilty and allow him to continue business

Yeah, luckily these things deserve to be illegal so cops aren't wasting their time :p

Why?

http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_pot-seed-20050729

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/a/190163.htm

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002410756_emery30m.html

Marc Emery, the self-proclaimed "Prince of Pot", and leader of the British Colombia Marijuana Party, has been arrested after an 18-month investigation by U.S. and Canadian authorities. His multi-million dollar business of selling marijuana seeds and paraphenalia has been shut down and his establishments in Vancouver raided by the RCMP. He faces a possible 10 years to Life Sentence if he is extradited to the United States.

In a public statement, he dared to compare himself to Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and other peaceful activists, and says that he will accept his jail sentence if it will mean the end of oppression for millions of people.

For those who may not be familiar with the whole thing, the BC Marijuana Party has only one purpose: They plan to legalize marijuana, tax its sale, and use that revenue to balance the budget. "Well what about ________", you may ask. The reply will likely be: "....................whatever?"

I hope this guy is sent to a jail in Arizona.


I assume you you want him to go to jail in Arizona because of that asshole Joe Arpaio. I love how you also said he "dared" to compare himself to Gandhi and Martin Luther King Jr. :rolleyes:

Yeah, luckily these things deserve to be illegal so cops aren't wasting their time :p

I agree that every drug but marijuana should be illegal. Its the least worst for you and all those anti marijuana commericals about killing somebody because they were high is total bullshit. Besides it has many uses as medicine.

I agree that every drug but marijuana should be illegal. Its the least worst for you and all those anti marijuana commericals about killing somebody because they were high is total bullshit. Besides it has many uses as medicine.

Yup Seconded, to quote the late great Bill hicks - "it is fucking imposable to start a fight when your high, Nicotine/Alcohol Good drugs, conincdentaly taxed drugs"

I hope this guy is sent to a jail in Arizona.
Why? Most of what he says makes perfect sense. After all, marijuana was criminalized in America for 2-3 reasons, depending on what you look at.

#1. The cotton industry didn't want the competition from hemp, as well as the paper industry. Both of these have been linked pretty directly to it's original licensing.
#2. A link that's also been bandied around but never really proven per se is that of the tobacco industry, simply for reasons of competition. THC beats out nicotine for a high any day of the week.
#3. All the law enforcement task forces created during prohibition were faced with disbandment and needed something to do. With all those lobbying for it's being made illegal, they put them on drug task forces and so the Drug War was born.

I agree that every drug but marijuana should be illegal. Its the least worst for you and all those anti marijuana commericals about killing somebody because they were high is total bullshit. Besides it has many uses as medicine.

Some kids in my town entered a cheesy little amateur film contest and spoofed on those commercials. They had the one where the kids were burning at the drive-thru and smash the little girl on the bike. "Marijuana: It's more dangerous than we thought." So is ignorance, but we don't make commercials...

Anyway. These kids did the little spoof, and it was great. It had an old lady, buying coffee and pulling out onto the road. As she speeds up, she spills the coffee on herself and panics, veering off her side of the road. The next scene is a yellow schoolbus, with the face of a nun, staring out the window in horror.

The scene cuts to black there and then there's the caption: Coffee. It'll fuck you up.

Hahaha, needless to say, they lost the contest, but it was hysterical for me.

I love these idiots that can't possibly comprehend our government putting a tax on something that people smoke to alter their minds. Or, god forbid, a government-endorsed study of a certain drug to find out its effects, its contraindications, its various uses . . . well that's just outside the realm of possibility.

Open your eyes -- one plant is legal, another one isn't.

Do you know how many illegal wars you could fund by selling me and my friends pot? Hell, we'd be so placated, we probably wouldn't even care what you did. Steal an election . . . have your cabinet commit war crimes. Man, you could probably be an ex coc-snortin', God-fearing, queer-baiting, failed baseball manager and oilman --

I would be opposed to legalizing marijuana simply because it would do one of two things:

-Get absorbed into the tobacco industry, thus giving those greedy poison-mongers even MORE money and power

-Create an industry to rival that of tobacco, thus creating MORE greedy poison-mongers.

If pot was commercialized and placed under the authority of that evil entity known as "big business", all the unneccesary chemical crap that goes into tobacco cigarettes would also go into marjuana products.

Well we could legalize the damn thing and make 40+ billion dollars a year from it.

Or keep it illegal and waste billions of dollars. You know, whichever seems easier.
Wow.... we can make billions out of BC bud.
Good for the BC economy lol :D
Yeah, luckily these things deserve to be illegal so cops aren't wasting their time :p
How's that not wasting cops' time? Go to BC and you'll see why.
Yep. Drugs will screw up your head almost as much as religion. :p
Ooooooo Burn!!! :D

Hey are you a local london smoker too?Yeah. You live here?

Nothing, I luckily don't have to deal with druggies anymore. For those who it does affect, however, it does plenty.Pot doesn't mess people up, people mess themselves up. Marihuana is a plant, for god's sake! It turns carbon dioxide into oxygen. Just imagine, vast fields of pot plants, and the two of us smoking up together in the middle of it all.
It's a beautiful thing *sheds a tear of joy at the thought*.
Seriously, though. What about all those who don't get "affected"? I smoke, go to school, work, am learning my fourth language, have lots of close friends (smokers and non-smokers)...
Don't think of pot as some evil poison. All good things can tempt us to over-indulge.

I would be opposed to legalizing marijuana simply because it would do one of two things:

-Get absorbed into the tobacco industry, thus giving those greedy poison-mongers even MORE money and power

-Create an industry to rival that of tobacco, thus creating MORE greedy poison-mongers.

If pot was commercialized and placed under the authority of that evil entity known as "big business", all the unneccesary chemical crap that goes into tobacco cigarettes would also go into marjuana products.
it depends precisely how it is legalised. that would only happen if you kept to a lovely capitalist model... (yuk)

a more socialised model involving some (shock horror) government regulation would be necessary here, i think. the govt could issue licences to grow or to sell, and keep a real lid on how the industry works... all paid for through the huge tax revenue of course (from which there is sure to be a surplus)

hell the govt could sell it directly through nationalised shops

either way, the price has to remain at least level to or below the current street price cos otherwise people would continue to just get it off dealers, over which the govt has no control.

why should the govt have control you ask? because a) the whole stopping the weed industry turning into the tobacco industry thing; b) keep tabs on quality and health; c) to limit supply when necessary. so street supply (dealers) should be illegal.

this is how it works in holland (ish) - and very well. the shop prices are well below street prices for the UK, and you simply cannot buy it on the street (except certain places of course) because there's no point as its so cheap in the shops.


anyways, there's a whole raft of ways to prevent this emerging industry from turning into rival evil tobacco industry

I have no idea why pot was made illegal in the first place. Govts spread so much misinformation about it its unbelievable sometimes.

The same could be said for murder, rape, speeding, cheating on taxes, etc.

The same could not be said for murder, rape, speeding, or cheating on taxes, but you feel free to pretend to know what you're talking about so you can justify your fascism some more.

http://vancouver.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=bc_pot-seed-20050729

http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/a/190163.htm

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002410756_emery30m.html

Marc Emery, the self-proclaimed "Prince of Pot", and leader of the British Colombia Marijuana Party, has been arrested after an 18-month investigation by U.S. and Canadian authorities. His multi-million dollar business of selling marijuana seeds and paraphenalia has been shut down and his establishments in Vancouver raided by the RCMP. He faces a possible 10 years to Life Sentence if he is extradited to the United States.

What I love is that there is no way the Canadian government would have bothered with such an expensive and costly investigation without being "persuaded" by the U.S.

I love that the only charges being brought against him are Conspiracy charges. Makes me wonder just how much actual evidence they have.

In a public statement, he dared to compare himself to Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King, and other peaceful activists, and says that he will accept his jail sentence if it will mean the end of oppression for millions of people.

I didn't notice anything of this nature in any of the links you provided, perhaps you have another that does?

For those who may not be familiar with the whole thing, the BC Marijuana Party has only one purpose: They plan to legalize marijuana, tax its sale, and use that revenue to balance the budget. "Well what about ________", you may ask. The reply will likely be: "....................whatever?"

Well what about the billions wasted in enforcing marijuana laws that could better be used to fight harder drugs such as coke and heroin?

Well what about the billions wasted in enforcing marijuana laws that could be used to establish drug treatment centers?

Well what about the thousands of man-hours police spend every year on marijuana offenders that could better be spent on other drug offenders, or homeland security, or corporate crime, or domestic abuse, or murder cases, or traffic violations...or...or...or...

Well what about the billions that could be saved on the prison system by relaseing all non-violent marijuana offenders?

Well what about the billions that could be made by taxing marijuana, should it be made legal, that could be added to the billions saved on enforcement and incarceration?

Oh....right................"whatever." :rolleyes:

I hope this guy is sent to a jail in Arizona.

I think somebody needs a hug...and it's not the "Prince of Pot" :p

Some of you act like drugs are funny. While marijauna may not be addictive, it'll kill you faster than cigarettes. Not to mention, you have no clue what your dealer (or the people in the basement laboratory) put into it along with the pot.

Some of you act like drugs are funny. While marijauna may not be addictive, it'll kill you faster than cigarettes. Not to mention, you have no clue what your dealer (or the people in the basement laboratory) put into it along with the pot.

You're going to have to bust out some statistics to prove that marijuana is anywhere near as harmful as cigarettes.

Some of you act like drugs are funny. While marijauna may not be addictive, it'll kill you faster than cigarettes. Not to mention, you have no clue what your dealer (or the people in the basement laboratory) put into it along with the pot.
laboratory? :confused:
you do know weed is a naturally growing plant, right?

and this is precisely a reason why it SHOULD be legalised. people smoke it anyway - you can't stop them; prohibition just doesn't work. the proof is in the pudding in that billiions are being spent trying to stop people, but we just do it anyway.
anyways, if people are going to smoke it whether its illegal or not, you may as well not put them through this unnecessary risk of not knowing whats in the stuff they buy from dealers. legalising it would bring it out in the open and remove the criminal element, not to mention break the link between weed and hard drugs (the gateway drug effect). this is because dealers can't make much money from weed so they'll try and get you to buy harder stuff they can make more profit on. remove dealers from the equation and legalise it, not only can you ensure quality control (so its no more harmful than it needs to be), but you break that link and can also tax it. its win, win, win, win, win! what the fuck is wrong with legalising it?! :mad:

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You're going to have to bust out some statistics to prove that marijuana is anywhere near as harmful as cigarettes.

And when its legal its quality can become regulated a lot more easily.

Marc's been arrested so many times I can't even remember how often. They've never made anything stick. Getting arrested is meaningless. If there's a conviction, we'll talk.

Otherwise, it's probably just another publicity stunt. Go over to cannabisculture.com and read all about it.

Yeah, luckily these things deserve to be illegal so cops aren't wasting their time :p

Would you have said the same about sacramental wine under the Volstead Act (Prohibition)? I find it sad that the government determines your moral stance.

According to the Bible, all plants were given by God for man's use. You hold an arbitrary government decision above the commandment of the Lord your God?

Would you have said the same about sacramental wine under the Volstead Act (Prohibition)? I find it sad that the government determines your moral stance.

According to the Bible, all plants were given by God for man's use. You hold an arbitrary government decision above the commandment of the Lord your God?

Fucking pwned

You figure our police would have bigger things to worry about. Like...you know, terrorism. Arresting people for selling things that hsould be legal to consume in the first place is a waste of time and money.
Here Here!

Would you have said the same about sacramental wine under the Volstead Act (Prohibition)? I find it sad that the government determines your moral stance.

According to the Bible, all plants were given by God for man's use. You hold an arbitrary government decision above the commandment of the Lord your God?

Well Neo Rogolia could be athiest so they wouldn't consider God their lord. :p

Well Neo Rogolia could be athiest so they wouldn't consider God their lord. :p
Then you don't know Neo Rogolia. She's not. Atheist.

Would you have said the same about sacramental wine under the Volstead Act (Prohibition)? I find it sad that the government determines your moral stance.

According to the Bible, all plants were given by God for man's use. You hold an arbitrary government decision above the commandment of the Lord your God?
Lol thats great :fluffle:

According to the Bible, all plants were given by God for man's use. You hold an arbitrary government decision above the commandment of the Lord your God?
Yeah, I have to hand it to you, that's particularly satisfying. Not the first time I've heard the argument, but I haven't heard it in some time. Thanks for putting it into that particular perspective, Keruvalia. That's refreshing.

Yeah, I have to hand it to you, that's particularly satisfying. Not the first time I've heard the argument, but I haven't heard it in some time. Thanks for putting it into that particular perspective, Keruvalia. That's refreshing.

Well ... Neo Rog's argument struck me as so very, very odd.

It goes even deeper, you know. In the language of the Bible, marijuana is called "kaneh-bosm" (the term eventually becoming the Latin cannibus) and is referrenced in many places throughout the OT.

The sacred character of hemp in biblical times is evident from Exodus 30:22-33, where Moses was instructed by God to anoint the meeting tent and all its furnishings with specially prepared oil, containing hemp. (Marijuana used as a sacrament as instructed by the Divine)

Moses and his priests burned incense and used the holy ointment in a portable 'tent of meeting', the famous Tent of the Tabernacle. As cannabis is listed directly as an incense later in the Bible, it seems likely that Moses and the Levite priesthood would have burned cannabis flowers and pollen along with the ointment and incense which God commanded them to make. (Exodus 30:8-10)

In Isaiah 43:23-24, God mentions that this "kaneh" is a required sacrifice.

Isaiah is also given a drink made from kaneh which purges his sins. Marijuana used as purification by a Seraphim (which, by the way, means "smoke drinker").

It is quite clear to me and to every reasonably intelligent person who has ever even been in the same room as a Bible that God not only doesn't have a problem with Marijuana, but places it as holy.

Oh ... before anyone points it out ... I'm aware that the King James and other versions of the Bible, kaneh-bosm is improperly translated as "marsh reed" and the footnotes (especially in Bibles printed after the 1910s) say it's an unknown variety of plant. In Bibles printed between around 1800 and the 1910s, it usually says "hemp".

Anyway ... I've babbled enough.

You sure, Keru? Because if you are, I just gained a lot more respect for the Bible. :p

Incidentally, I wonder if the Christian right wing know that they are encouraging smiting of unbelievers in the name of a bunch of weed-smoking hippies? Same applies to hard-line Muslims and Jews.

You sure, Keru? Because if you are, I just gained a lot more respect for the Bible. :p

Quite sure. I've spent many moons arguing the Biblical case for marijuana so that it could be legalised under the First Amendment establishment clause.

Incidentally, I wonder if the Christian right wing know that they are encouraging smiting of unbelievers in the name of a bunch of weed-smoking hippies? Same applies to hard-line Muslims and Jews.

Most hardliners never actually read the text in question. They just take the word of some preacher and accept it without a second thought.

Quite sure. I've spent many moons arguing the Biblical case for marijuana so that it could be legalised under the First Amendment establishment clause.

I wouldn't want that. I may be for legalised marijuana but it would just be another excuse for Bush to turn the U.S. into a theocracy.