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Reality

Sheltered reality
08-08-2005, 01:47
I have always belived that we create our own realities. Think about it, if we are indeed living in sepreate realities, having completely different conversations, maybe not even on the web, would their be a way to prove it? :mp5:
Orteil Mauvais
08-08-2005, 01:50
I have always belived that we create our own realities. Think about it, if we are indeed living in sepreate realities, having completely different conversations, maybe not even on the web, would their be a way to prove it? :mp5:

why ask? in such a reality, I'm not actually answering your question, nor are you asking me in mine. You could not prove it, because all members of your reality, aren't existing there, but in their own realities.
The Green Plague
08-08-2005, 01:53
We are in fact all living in a different reality, for example: For hundreds of years people absolutely knew, and took as fact, that the world was flat. In all actuality it is round, or so I am told, which shows that sometimes people actually think they are in one reality, when they are actually in another.
Sheltered reality
08-08-2005, 01:53
why ask? in such a reality, I'm not actually answering your question, nor are you asking me in mine. You could not prove it, because all members of your reality, aren't existing there, but in their own realities.
Exactly! But this could spark some interesting arguments. :mp5:
Haloman
08-08-2005, 01:55
Exactly! But this could spark some interesting arguments. :mp5:

As well as some headaches....
Sheltered reality
08-08-2005, 01:58
As well as some headaches....
Yes, but it is always fun to see people argue about something that is impossible to prove. :mp5:
Grampus
08-08-2005, 01:59
We are in fact all living in a different reality, for example: For hundreds of years people absolutely knew, and took as fact, that the world was flat.

When and who? Certainly the idea was not widespread in Europe since hundreds of years before Christ, and looking further afield there seem to be very few examples of cultures which did actually have widely-believed cosmologies which included a flat Earth - the Vikings being a possible exception here, but their model of a flat planet seems to have been a largely mythological one, rather than an actually believed one, as their accomplishments in trans-atlantic navigation show.
Sheltered reality
08-08-2005, 02:03
When and who? Certainly the idea was not widespread in Europe since hundreds of years before Christ, and looking further afield there seem to be very few examples of cultures which did actually have widely-believed cosmologies which included a flat Earth - the Vikings being a possible exception here, but their model of a flat planet seems to have been a largely mythological one, rather than an actually believed one, as their accomplishments in trans-atlantic navigation show.
But can you prove that? That may only be fact in your reality. While in mine, it really is flat! wev'e gone into space and seen it! :mp5:
Celtlund
08-08-2005, 02:26
I have always belived that we create our own realities. Think about it, if we are indeed living in sepreate realities, having completely different conversations, maybe not even on the web, would their be
a way to prove it? :mp5:

Schizophrenia or psychosis proves it. :eek:
[NS]Amestria
08-08-2005, 02:43
There is only one physical reality, there however are different ways of perceiving the truth of this reality (or blind oneself to it).

Thats it....
Ravea
08-08-2005, 02:49
Reality is only what our society tells us is real and what we ourselves view. Everyone's reality is totally different.
Lord Grey II
08-08-2005, 02:55
Why is it when I look at this tread the first thing that comes to my mind is "The Matrix"?



This question about reality opens up some other questions about what we percieve. For example, what about colors? My "red" my look exactly like someone else's "green", however, since we are raised to believe that this paticular color is called "red", we can never be entirely sure of what each other person actually percieves. I'm sure this ties into the seperate reality thing.
Holyawesomeness
08-08-2005, 03:15
Amestria']There is only one physical reality, there however are different ways of perceiving the truth of this reality (or blind oneself to it).

Thats it....
Unless physical reality does not exist. I mean you can not prove that it does can you? Your existence could be my dream or nightmare. In fact, why not say that the entire world is my fantasy and that I am the only one that exists or lets go further and say that my own existence does not really exist other than in my own demented mind which could be created by the imagination of some universal spirit or something. NOBODY ACTUALLY EXISTS!!! Oh well. :D
Wizard Glass
08-08-2005, 04:00
Why is it when I look at this tread the first thing that comes to my mind is "The Matrix"?



This question about reality opens up some other questions about what we percieve. For example, what about colors? My "red" my look exactly like someone else's "green", however, since we are raised to believe that this paticular color is called "red", we can never be entirely sure of what each other person actually percieves. I'm sure this ties into the seperate reality thing.


I've had conversations about that with my friends...

whoo. My blue sky could be green or red to someone else, but called blue for them too.

:eek: my head hurts if I think about that too long.
Pongoar
08-08-2005, 04:02
I don't pretend to be an expert on the matter, but I believe quantum theory supports your idea.
JuNii
08-08-2005, 04:52
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own." -Mythbusters.
Willamena
08-08-2005, 14:12
I have always belived that we create our own realities. Think about it, if we are indeed living in sepreate realities, having completely different conversations, maybe not even on the web, would their be a way to prove it?
Well, that's the subjective perspective, but there is objective reality too. The philosophy of metaphysics takes a good stab at proving it, but you have accept first that "things exist."
Hemingsoft
08-08-2005, 14:17
Everyone creates 'reality' by the way they personally view the world around them. Though, does this mean that it is in fact reality? No. Reality is what truly happens. I argue that reality is free of relativity: due to my physics background I always consider it. We may not always be able to realize it though. So we have to be satisfied with our own reality. Unfortunately, some people try to impose their reality onto other people.
Evilness and Chaos
08-08-2005, 14:18
I've had conversations about that with my friends...

whoo. My blue sky could be green or red to someone else, but called blue for them too.

:eek: my head hurts if I think about that too long.

colourblindness tests prove that the light spectrum is percieved the same by all of us, except those who are colourblind of course.

Much of this thread is covering the philosophical/psychological concept known as Solipsism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism).
Holyawesomeness
08-08-2005, 14:37
colourblindness tests prove that the light spectrum is percieved the same by all of us, except those who are colourblind of course.

Much of this thread is covering the philosophical/psychological concept known as Solipsism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism).
Go Solipsism. Oh yeah, solipsism is a philosophy that can not really be disproven, which is sort of interesting. It is difficult to prove the existence of someone else.
Grampus
08-08-2005, 15:01
colourblindness tests prove that the light spectrum is percieved the same by all of us, except those who are colourblind of course.


True, to a certain extent, but the fact that we have a shared language for naming colours tells us nothing about the way that different people actually experience the sense data of colours.
Wizard Glass
08-08-2005, 19:47
colourblindness tests prove that the light spectrum is percieved the same by all of us, except those who are colourblind of course.

Much of this thread is covering the philosophical/psychological concept known as Solipsism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism).


The light spectrum might be the same... but that doesn't mean we're seeing the same color. It could have the same name, but it wouldn't be the same if I looked through their eyes. People might have blue skies that aren't 'my' blue, grass which isn't 'my' green, using the same spectrum but a different perception.