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recently i heard that there may or may not have been a government time travel mission that Einstein headed and they actually made a ship move through time but when they brought it back the crew was like in the metal of the ship and stuff like that

i have no idea whether this ever happened or if this one just one wacko or if there really is a conspiracy to cover it up. if anybody knows any information for real and not just more conspiracy theories please post it and if anyone thinks this is true please post links where more information could be found

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I highly doubt this happened. It's a bit too odd... and time doesn't move backward.

recently i heard that there may or may not have been a government time travel mission that Einstein headed and they actually made a ship move through time but when they brought it back the crew was like in the metal of the ship and stuff like that

i have no idea whether this ever happened or if this one just one wacko or if there really is a conspiracy to cover it up. if anybody knows any information for real and not just more conspiracy theories please post it and if anyone thinks this is true please post links where more information could be found
Einstein said there was nothing in the laws of physics that would prevent time travel, just that it made it prohibitively difficult to the point of near-impossibility. So, governments can try all they like, but until we can create wormholes (which if we ever can, would be many centuries off), time travel won't be happening, at least by the cause of humanity.

recently i heard that there may or may not have been a government time travel mission that Einstein headed and they actually made a ship move through time but when they brought it back the crew was like in the metal of the ship and stuff like that

i have no idea whether this ever happened or if this one just one wacko or if there really is a conspiracy to cover it up. if anybody knows any information for real and not just more conspiracy theories please post it and if anyone thinks this is true please post links where more information could be found

Oh... It happened all right. But any links posted about it get deleted by temporal regulators. If I were you, I would forget the whole thing. You may now be in danger.

I highly doubt this happened. It's a bit too odd... and time doesn't move backward.

Well, tachyons do, but that's a far cry from an entire ship.

However, we can't ever know how much the government has actually accomplished with its bottomless pits of funding at the Defense Department.

Dont you have to ravel faster than the speed of light in order to travel in time? Thats what tachyons do, but they travel in both directions at the same time, crazy stuff.....


As for worm holes, they would only transport you to one point in time.

recently i heard that there may or may not have been a government time travel mission that Einstein headed and they actually made a ship move through time but when they brought it back the crew was like in the metal of the ship and stuff like that

i have no idea whether this ever happened or if this one just one wacko or if there really is a conspiracy to cover it up. if anybody knows any information for real and not just more conspiracy theories please post it and if anyone thinks this is true please post links where more information could be found

It's referred to as the Philadelphia Project or as Project Rainbow, and no it wasn't something out of science fiction. The military wrapped wires around a ship to make it undetectable to German magnetic mines. Conspiracy theorists with no scientific know-how thought that meant the ship was being made invisible to the naked eye. When the government (understandably) was unenthusiastic about declassifying the project in the middle of a world war, the theorists declared that to be evidence that there was in fact a conspiracy.

Anyways that was all back in 1943. Given that we've since invested hundreds of billions of dollars in trying to make stealth planes 'invisible' only to radar, I doubt we already had stealth technology 62 years ago and just hadn't done anything with it.

Well, tachyons do, but that's a far cry from an entire ship.

However, we can't ever know how much the government has actually accomplished with its bottomless pits of funding at the Defense Department.

tachyons are theoretical. As far as I know, this is the first I've heard that they move backwardsin time. The theory goes that since normal energy and matter can not go faster than the speed of light, that does not mean that there isn't some form of exotic particles that move faster than the speed of light. As far as I know, they have not, as yet, been detected. Neither have gravitons, for that matter, but we know something causes gravity.

The word comes from the Greek for "swift ones."

recently i heard that there may or may not have been a government time travel mission that Einstein headed and they actually made a ship move through time but when they brought it back the crew was like in the metal of the ship and stuff like that

This one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_experiment

Einstein did succeed with his time-travel project, bringing in late 20th Century technology to stop the Nazis. Only it meant that America and the Soviet Union gained unbalanced power and declared war on each other with super soldiers, super tanks, super planes and Psychotronic shit...

... oh wait, that's Command and Conquer.

:D

Well, tachyons do, but that's a far cry from an entire ship.

However, we can't ever know how much the government has actually accomplished with its bottomless pits of funding at the Defense Department.

I meant for humans, heh.

Tachyons noted as things potentially going backward in time. -scribbles a note-

If time travel were invented...or ever will be invented, you'd already know about it, wouldn't you?

You'd have visitors from the future dropping in all the time.

If time travel were invented...or ever will be invented, you'd already know about it, wouldn't you?

You'd have visitors from the future dropping in all the time.

But if they told us they were from the future(and proved it), or in any way changed anything, the effects would cascade and alter the future. That's like lighting a match in a dynamite factory, it's a really bad idea, even if all one is concerned about is one's personal safety and very existence.

I mean they could be here right now, hell I could be a time travelor.... maybe I'm just not telling.

But if they told us they were from the future(and proved it), or in any way changed anything, the effects would cascade and alter the future. That's like lighting a match in a dynamite factory, it's a really bad idea, even if all one is concerned about is one's personal safety and very existence.

I mean they could be here right now, hell I could be a time travelor.... maybe I'm just not telling.
Eh. The Grandfather Effect has been neatly taken care of due to quantum physics. However, it'd still be wise to minimize one's presence in a place you don't belong, regardless.

Einstein said there was nothing in the laws of physics that would prevent time travel, just that it made it prohibitively difficult to the point of near-impossibility. So, governments can try all they like, but until we can create wormholes (which if we ever can, would be many centuries off), time travel won't be happening, at least by the cause of humanity.
As I understand it there's nothing known preventing time travel, and there are a bunch of possible ideas for time machines, but they're only postulated and not guaranteed to work. There's nothing we know will work if we could afford to build it.

Eh. The Grandfather Effect has been neatly taken care of due to quantum physics. However, it'd still be wise to minimize one's presence in a place you don't belong, regardless.
No, it wouldn't be wise, it would just be pointless (I'm sure you know this). IF the many-worlds interpretation is correct (I doubt it is), then the universe you're in when you travel back in time is already different so it doesn't matter what you do, you won't be affected. I tend to think, however, that if time travel is possible, it's probably a case of when you go back in time all of the things you do are already accounted for in your past.

As I understand it there's nothing known preventing time travel, and there are a bunch of possible ideas for time machines, but they're only postulated and not guaranteed to work. There's nothing we know will work if we could afford to build it.


No, it wouldn't be wise, it would just be pointless (I'm sure you know this). IF the many-worlds interpretation is correct (I doubt it is), then the universe you're in when you travel back in time is already different so it doesn't matter what you do, you won't be affected. I tend to think, however, that if time travel is possible, it's probably a case of when you go back in time all of the things you do are already accounted for in your past.
Right, as said, not impossible, just very close to it, all things considered. At least at our current tech level. I mentioned wormholes, because they're our best bet for naturally occurring or artificially created means of time travel.

Eh, it's not that it'd be different, it'd be the same. You'd have just created a different future/past that you probably couldn't travel to (unless you could do alternative dimensional travelling, as well, and if that's the case, you're gonna live a very interesting life. I would, if I could), at least, I think you wouldn't travel to it.

Einstein said there was nothing in the laws of physics that would prevent time travel, just that it made it prohibitively difficult to the point of near-impossibility. So, governments can try all they like, but until we can create wormholes (which if we ever can, would be many centuries off), time travel won't be happening, at least by the cause of humanity.

And even if theoretical time travel machine proves practical, it still remains impossible to travel back to a time prior to the existence of such a machine. It would be more like a chronological train station than sports car.

Eh, it's not that it'd be different, it'd be the same. You'd have just created a different future/past that you probably couldn't travel to (unless you could do alternative dimensional travelling, as well, and if that's the case, you're gonna live a very interesting life. I would, if I could), at least, I think you wouldn't travel to it.You have universe A (where you don't travel back in time) universe B (where you do) and a whole bunch of others where you do other stuff or travel to different points in time. From universe B (it including you having done something) you can get to C or D. C is where you don't travel into the future again to see the results, and D is where you do. Obviously D bares some resembelance to B (as the future of it), but probably not much to A. The point is, you belong because the act of moving through time is what destinguished that universe, and so forth... Of course, you might like to try and keep D and close to A as possible by not doing much in B, but since there's so many random events between B and D, even if you tried to minimize your impact it would likely still be wildly different. That and we throw in a bit of chaos, and nothing ought to be the same (although it could be).

Mind you, this whole argument suggests you have some control over your choices, but as soon as you equate a 'choice' to a random outcome, you lose that 'choice' in the sense that there was something else you could have done. The whole idea that the many-worlds interpretation gives you some sort of freedom of action is a bit rough to me. It's more like the decision you take is purely random (which doesn't seem to be the case when you observe people, although it's possible I just happened to have continued along a line of worlds where people do tend to be consistent in their actions and don't often decide on a whim to leap off the bridge they're crossing, or dive under the nearest car, or scream out and dance a jig in the middle of a lecture, it's just not very likely).

einstein said this, the faster you go, the slower time is, nothing can go faster than the speed of light, for it is a constant, you can't go back, but you can stop it . the end

Einstein said there was nothing in the laws of physics that would prevent time travel, just that it made it prohibitively difficult to the point of near-impossibility. So, governments can try all they like, but until we can create wormholes (which if we ever can, would be many centuries off), time travel won't be happening, at least by the cause of humanity.
Wormholes aren't time travel devices per se, they are merely rips in the fabric of space time that link two seemingly seperate points, more like a cosmic shortcut. And yes, it is virtually impossible for any humans to rip the fabric of space, but many physicists think that wormholes already exist. Actually Einstein came to the conclusion that the laws of physics do prevent time travel, as he claimed absolutely nothing could go faster than the speed of light, yet time travel would only be possible if you went faster than the speed of light.

The theory behind tachyons says that it is not impossible to travel faster than light, only that it would take an infinite amount of energy to accelerate a particle across the speed of light boundary. The closer you get the particle to the speed of light, the more energy it would take to accelerate it further. However, if a particle is created that is already faster than light, it would take an infinite amount of energy to slow it down to cross over to our side of the light barrier. And by a trick of mathematics, the theoretical tachyon would be created going at just slightly faster than light, and would then rapidly lose energy and accelerate off to the other side of the universe backward in time.

This book is fascinating and not too technical or mathematical if you are interested in this sort of stuff: http://www.epinions.com/content_93327363716

It's referred to as the Philadelphia Project or as Project Rainbow, and no it wasn't something out of science fiction. The military wrapped wires around a ship to make it undetectable to German magnetic mines. Conspiracy theorists with no scientific know-how thought that meant the ship was being made invisible to the naked eye. When the government (understandably) was unenthusiastic about declassifying the project in the middle of a world war, the theorists declared that to be evidence that there was in fact a conspiracy.

Anyways that was all back in 1943. Given that we've since invested hundreds of billions of dollars in trying to make stealth planes 'invisible' only to radar, I doubt we already had stealth technology 62 years ago and just hadn't done anything with it.
As common knowledge goes, the ship was entitled the "Eldridge" and there was another ship who observed. Further information went into applications of Tesla's inverted magnetic field principles and i think someone was implying that the ship turned interphasic because of the energies involved.
I've only read about it, not seen it. Seen the movie though.

einstein said this, the faster you go, the slower time is, nothing can go faster than the speed of light, for it is a constant, you can't go back, but you can stop it . the end
There's a decent challenge from this feller in South America that says the issue of the lack of continuity in expansion would *easily* be dealt with if for a little while *relatively* the constant wasn't actually constant. It's worth reading about ... SciAm had it and Discover probably did too. I don't have it on me to post but i might at some point.
Actually, it's in the archives.

I've heard there is a patent on a time travel machine that theoretically does work - involves using big electrical fields to create worm holes that are then seperated in space and time (ie, by accelerating it).

The design is relatively simple, the only problem was that you needed to draw the power equivalent to 100 suns simulteously to get the thing to work. And the power supplies needed to be portable. And your needed a near light speed ship to put one of your portals in.

Einstein said there was nothing in the laws of physics that would prevent time travel, just that it made it prohibitively difficult to the point of near-impossibility. So, governments can try all they like, but until we can create wormholes (which if we ever can, would be many centuries off), time travel won't be happening, at least by the cause of humanity. no need to go that far ,because as freezing technology get better it will in future probably be able to freeze you for couple of thousands of years without problems and then wake you up,so who cares if trip takes many many years,from your point it would have taken couple of days,so time is relative without getting involved into super high speeds and strange particles of mater!! so i belive aliens could have visited us! and what about genetic ingeneering your lifespan could grow for thousand years too..so plenty of options without need for going 300.000 km/s or into hyper-space for me 1/10 of speed of light is enough and energy efficient.

no need to go that far ,because as freezing technology get better it will in future probably be able to freeze you for couple of thousands of years without problems and then wake you up,so who cares if trip takes many many years,from your point it would have taken couple of days,so time is relative without getting involved into super high speeds and strange particles of mater!! so i belive aliens could have visited us! and what about genetic ingeneering your lifespan could grow for thousand years too..so plenty of options without need for going 300.000 km/s or into hyper-space for me 1/10 of speed of light is enough and energy efficient.

Except that everyone you knew when you left is going to be dead when/if you come back.

some, hm, ,BIG,sacrifices have to be made when u travel for such extreme distances.yep that would be goodbye forever.and u may also die crash with meteorite or planet is to much unhospitable or something goes wrong within ship..risks are huge but if people want to go and think its worth it hm then ok i guess.but u wont travel alone lot of people would be there and animal and plant life.oufcourse stage #1!!! of every travel would be instalation of GIANT space telescopes all over near universe for observation of more or less habitable planets..

There was enough coverup after the experiments, so something must have happened, not to mention the Eldridge suddenly being sited off the coast miles away from the Naval base by other boats, and then suddenly fading away.

Einstein was a genius, the stuff he came up with, that was I think covered up, could have gone into hidden research, and god knows how far its come now.

There has been a claim from a sailor who saw this, but I think they debunked him years ago. conspiriacy? who knows!! Though, Einstein did not know how to successfully time travel. He was a pure theorist, as quoted from one of my favorite movies (Real Genius), "Let the engineers find a use" would be more along Einsteins thoughts.

I've heard there is a patent on a time travel machine that theoretically does work - involves using big electrical fields to create worm holes that are then seperated in space and time (ie, by accelerating it).

The design is relatively simple, the only problem was that you needed to draw the power equivalent to 100 suns simulteously to get the thing to work. And the power supplies needed to be portable. And your needed a near light speed ship to put one of your portals in.

100 suns you say, visit www.solardeathray.com .
Problem solved!!! :D

There was enough coverup after the experiments, so something must have happened, not to mention the Eldridge suddenly being sited off the coast miles away from the Naval base by other boats, and then suddenly fading away.

Einstein was a genius, the stuff he came up with, that was I think covered up, could have gone into hidden research, and god knows how far its come now.

Yeah right. Maybe it was the cloaking device from that space ship the US government have got hidden in Area 51. The one that Elvis drove to the grassy knoll.

Muppet

Time travel wont happen in the next 500 years, if ever.

Quantum teleportation, while im panning ludicrous beliefs, wont ever happen

Time Travel via Closed Timelike Curves. (http://www.ram.org/ramblings/science/time_travel.html)

Heh, also, quantum teleportation has already been done. Unless you're referring to macroscopic quantum teleportation. :)

And yes, the Philadelphia Experiment (although there was no such 'experiment' by this name) was about invisibility... to magnetic mines. Electric currents were used to degauss the hulls of warships, preventing the mines from being attracted to the ships. Obviously, once some people got it into their heads that ships were turning invisible, the government couldn't exactly debunk them right then, as this degaussing process was a bit of a military secret, and they were kind of at war at the time... :)

Also, the captain of the ship who supposedly saw the Eldridge teleport into Norfolk categorically denied having seen any such thing. :)

Also, the captain of the ship who supposedly saw the Eldridge teleport into Norfolk categorically denied having seen any such thing. :)

Of course he would. He's part of the conspiracy. :D

Him and Elvis. And JFK.

Of course he would. He's part of the conspiracy. :D

Him and Elvis. And JFK.

Hey, I'd deny it, too! Black helicopters are scary! :D

I haven't read all of these, but I just want people to know not to use the conservation of energy argument against time travel. I once read this argument but the whole purpose of relativity is that energy and momentum are time dependent 4-vectors, just as space and time are.
i.e. (i c*t,x,y,z), (i E,Px,Py,Pz)

PS use that to look smart at family events.

Hey, I'd deny it, too! Black helicopters are scary! :D

I've said too much already.

You ain't seen me, right. :D

I've said too much already.

You ain't seen me, right. :D

Seen who? ;)

Time travel wont happen in the next 500 years, if ever.

Quantum teleportation, while im panning ludicrous beliefs, wont ever happen
The second quote is BS.
They've already teleported things on the photon level 30 km across the Rhine.
Look it up.
They've also levitated frogs. I've seen it.

EDIT: or Seine river. Can't remember which.

I've heard there is a patent on a time travel machine that theoretically does work - involves using big electrical fields to create worm holes that are then seperated in space and time (ie, by accelerating it).

The design is relatively simple, the only problem was that you needed to draw the power equivalent to 100 suns simulteously to get the thing to work. And the power supplies needed to be portable. And your needed a near light speed ship to put one of your portals in.
Not mocking you, but you know they've patented 5 different types of hand farts?
*not kidding*

There was enough coverup after the experiments, so something must have happened, not to mention the Eldridge suddenly being sited off the coast miles away from the Naval base by other boats, and then suddenly fading away.

Einstein was a genius, the stuff he came up with, that was I think covered up, could have gone into hidden research, and god knows how far its come now.
It's worth it to pursue research into Eklund (sp?)'s patents on Tesla research - Bernard Eklund i think .... or Edlund ...
H.A.A.R.P. is one of the products.

EDIT:
Bernard K. Eastlund is the feller's name.
U.S. PATENT 4,686,605
1985 : "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere"
(first of 3 Eastlund patents bought by ARCO Power Technologies, Inc)

later 80's: Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) for VLF generation set up *mentioned in X-Files episode "Drive"*

1995 : Congress budgets $10 million for HAARP project under "nuclear counterproliferation" efforts, go in '96

1996 : testing of ELF band for earth-penetrating tomographic apps (although funding temp. frozen)

1998: proj. start date ...?

Also antenna featured in an article in SciAm this year, although caption and pic didn't say it. The article was about aurora and radiation (i think) a few months back. I mentioned it on some other thread.


...see also maybe

U.S.P. 4,712,155

U.S.P. 5,038,664

U.S.P. 5,068,669

U.S.P. 5,218,374

There's a few more but that there's more than enough to get you started.....

P.S. Thanks for not flaming the carp out of me for misspelling the dude's name.