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I hate the Japanese manga monopoly. Jazz, rap, and country music were all invented in the US but exist elsewhere. There are rappers in Japan, France, China, and even in Sami tribes in northern Scandinavia. So why is it that the Japanese have exclusive hold on manga? It strikes me as quite unfair.

Beeecause.... the term "manga" generally means "Japanese comics" everywhere outside of Japan?

Beeecause.... the term "manga" generally means "Japanese comics" everywhere outside of Japan?

That's not a very good reason. Why is it that people outside the US can make jazz? Isn't it at least slightly unfair in your eyes?

Um... they don't. There is manga style comics coming out of Korea and China, I've run into a few from Europe, and of course America is awash in many manga style comics by Americans. Mega Tokyo being the most well known.

I hate the Japanese manga monopoly. Jazz, rap, and country music were all invented in the US but exist elsewhere. There are rappers in Japan, France, China, and even in Sami tribes in northern Scandinavia. So why is it that the Japanese have exclusive hold on manga? It strikes me as quite unfair.Manga is comics. so no, Japanese don't have the exsclusive hold on Comics.

however if you're talking style? Marvel has come out with some Manga-Style comics. so has DC.

then theres Antartic Press.

Ever heard of Ben Dunn (Ninja High School) Gold Digger, Legion Anthologies (now defunct) and alot of hentai stuff is also being created here.

there was once a Star Trek Manga style comic that was put out (and quickly squashed by Paramount) and I am happy to say I got the only issue of Star Trekker. :D

Exactly.

The Japanese have manga, we have comic books, and pretty much every country has a work for or like "comic books."

I hate the Japanese manga monopoly. Jazz, rap, and country music were all invented in the US but exist elsewhere. There are rappers in Japan, France, China, and even in Sami tribes in northern Scandinavia. So why is it that the Japanese have exclusive hold on manga? It strikes me as quite unfair.

My favorite Manga is Nese. Nese has the magical power to fix sulfur.

Um... they don't. There is manga style comics coming out of Korea and China, I've run into a few from Europe, and of course America is awash in many manga style comics by Americans. Mega Tokyo being the most well known.

But do the Japanese consider those to be Manga or just knock-offs?

But do the Japanese consider those to be Manga or just knock-offs?I think Marvel opened up a comic line in Japan... and the X-Men there are selling like hotcakes... I don't think so.

But do the Japanese consider those to be Manga or just knock-offs?
Well... considering that manga just refers to comics in Japan and they don't care about the style... yes, it's manga.

I can't stand how the French have a monopoly on French Wine. Bastards.

we have made manga....from what I've seen it's not very good, but we make it. Courtney Love is making Manga, she isn't quite Japanese there buddy.

I can't stand how the French have a monopoly on French Wine. Bastards.

They don't have a monopoly on wine in general though. Manga isn't quite the same as a comic strip (obviously); it's a very different medium with different elements if you ask me.

They don't have a monopoly on wine in general though. Manga isn't quite the same as a comic strip (obviously) and that is my objection.Manga isn't comic strip but Comic Book. like Superman, Wonder Woman, X-Men. the stuff you find in the comic book store.

of course if you're talking about those huge magazine type books, then it's the same as if the companies put all (or some) of their titles in one huge... say Graphic Novel.

I can't stand how the French have a monopoly on French Wine. Bastards.
Luckily there is the Napa Valley and the wine country sections of socal that produce the same kinds of wine.

Manga existed long before comic books appeared. Illustrated stories are century-old in Japan.

They don't have a monopoly on wine in general though. Manga isn't quite the same as a comic strip (obviously) and that is my objection.
Um... how is it different? Manga MEANS comic in Japanese. Actually manga really isn't used much in Japan, I'm much more likely to hear a katakana English version of "comic" than manga. (Not surprising as manga actually refers to a form of woodblock prints) I mean, you rarely hear "anime" in Japan, you'll get "animation" though.

Um... how is it different? Manga MEANS comic in Japanese. Actually manga really isn't used much in Japan, I'm much more likely to hear a katakana English version of "comic" than manga. (Not surprising as manga actually refers to a form of woodblock prints) I mean, you rarely hear "anime" in Japan, you'll get "animation" though.

I'm not talking about the word, though. I'm talking about the style and medium that has its roots in the ukiyo-e and later heavily influenced by Osamu Tezuka. We both know how xenophobic Japan is and how tightly guarded that artform is.

I'm not talking about the word, though. I'm talking about the style and medium that has its roots in the ukiyo-e and later heavily influenced by Osamu Tezuka. We both know how xenophobic Japan is and how tightly guarded that artform is.
So this is the question really, what are the keys to those influences? Is it giant robots? Swords and demons (in this particular instance I would have to say that Manga is restricted to Japan because that's where the cultural reference lies. An American or French writer is not likely to use a hunchback with a beehive hunch for the same reason or effect as a Japanese artist where it is part of the cultural tapestry.)

Is it comics for an adult audience? There is plenty of that.

Violent comics? Plenty of those as well.

It's not enough to say 'infuenced by' because you're being to vague. What are the influences that would satisfy you? What are the key elements that you could use to say, "This is Manga, this is not."

So this is the question really, what are the keys to those influences? Is it giant robots? Swords and demons (in this particular instance I would have to say that Manga is restricted to Japan because that's where the cultural reference lies. An American or French writer is not likely to use a hunchback with a beehive hunch for the same reason or effect as a Japanese artist where it is part of the cultural tapestry.)

Is it comics for an adult audience? There is plenty of that.

Violent comics? Plenty of those as well.

It's not enough to say 'infuenced by' because you're being to vague. What are the influences that would satisfy you? What are the key elements that you could use to say, "This is Manga, this is not."

From what I can tell, manga is defined mainly by the lineage through Tezuka's work from ukiyo-e. Manga doesn't have to involve Japanese mythology. In fact, I have seen many manga that had practically nothing to do with Japan other than the fact that they were written by Japanese.

From what I can tell, manga is defined mainly by the lineage through Tezuka's work from ukiyo-e. Manga doesn't have to involve Japanese mythology. In fact, I have seen many manga that had practically nothing to do with Japan other than the fact that they were written by Japanese.
Again, you are not identifying what the stylistic elements that make up Magna, only people who influence it. A lineage would then say that no one other than the Japanese have followed those two-but Magna had influence from British and French comics from the middle of the 20th Century, are they retroactively Magna?

What are the stylistic elements of Magna-NOT the influences or creators. If you can't define that then you will find that your definition is what makes Magna a purely Japanese thing.

Considering that someone from Japan has already offered evidence in this thread that Japanese people do not quibble about what is manga and what is not, I think the cultural exclusivity you are referring to is imaginary and fictional.

Considering that someone from Japan has already offered evidence in this thread that Japanese people do not quibble about what is manga and what is not, I think the cultural exclusivity you are referring to is imaginary and fictional.

Given the paucity (to say the least) of Western works refered as Manga, I'm not so sure, but we will see. I'm going to be the first to make a Manga.

Given the paucity (to say the least) of Western works refered as Manga, I'm not so sure, but we will see. I'm going to be the first to make a Manga.linky when you're done.

damn, wish you did this 5 years ago... :(

Given the paucity (to say the least) of Western works refered as Manga, I'm not so sure, but we will see. I'm going to be the first to make a Manga.
Only westerners make a vocabulary distinction in the Japanese style animation and western animation. In Japan, Korea, and China, Spiderman and Naruto are both referred to as the word manga. The lack of difference in names reflects the lack of prejudice as to what style a comic is drawn in. If something is a crap comic, no one will take it, but if it is good, then people will like it regardless of style.

I hate the Japanese manga monopoly. Jazz, rap, and country music were all invented in the US but exist elsewhere. There are rappers in Japan, France, China, and even in Sami tribes in northern Scandinavia. So why is it that the Japanese have exclusive hold on manga? It strikes me as quite unfair.
Because manga is weird. And communist ;)
Just kidding about the communist part.

Only westerners make a vocabulary distinction in the Japanese style animation and western animation. In Japan, Korea, and China, Spiderman and Naruto are both referred to as the word manga. The lack of difference in names reflects the lack of prejudice as to what style a comic is drawn in. If something is a crap comic, no one will take it, but if it is good, then people will like it regardless of style.

That's good to hear.

I hate the Japanese manga monopoly. Jazz, rap, and country music were all invented in the US but exist elsewhere. There are rappers in Japan, France, China, and even in Sami tribes in northern Scandinavia. So why is it that the Japanese have exclusive hold on manga? It strikes me as quite unfair.

But you have to ask yourself, do you really want more countries making manga?

I hate the Japanese manga monopoly. Jazz, rap, and country music were all invented in the US but exist elsewhere. There are rappers in Japan, France, China, and even in Sami tribes in northern Scandinavia. So why is it that the Japanese have exclusive hold on manga? It strikes me as quite unfair.

That's just because you're a communist. ;)

Besides, they try, that's how Beyblades came into existance. :headbang:

Another reason to hate Canada.

I bet someone has already said it, but here it is again: I think the primary reason the Manga-style comic is mostly commonly found coming from Japan is because only the Japanese are crazy enough to draw that way.

I have seen comics and artwork done that has a mix of Japanese Manga and Western/US style comics done, and they are really cool. IMO a mix of Manga and Western styles would be cool to see more.

I hate the Japanese manga monopoly. Jazz, rap, and country music were all invented in the US but exist elsewhere. There are rappers in Japan, France, China, and even in Sami tribes in northern Scandinavia. So why is it that the Japanese have exclusive hold on manga? It strikes me as quite unfair.
You're can't be serious.

This thread is just a drawn out attempt at a joke.

Right?

Right. ;)

You're can't be serious.

This thread is just a drawn out attempt at a joke.

Actually, there really are rappers in other nations. It's not a joke.

Actually, there really are rappers in other nations. It's not a joke.MOVE in Japan. they're the ones that do the Initial D openings and endings. there are some others, but I'm more J-pop myself.

I don't know what manga means in Japan - from earlier posts though i get the impression that it is used to refer both to comic books and an older style of wood block print. By the first of these definitions Japan has no monopoly and I'm sure the second isn't what you intended in your original post.

In America when someone says 'Manga' they usually mean japanese comic books so talking about Japan having a monopoly is quite silly. On the other hand there are dozens of western comics drawn in a manga style nowadays, so if you think that the style is the defining characteristic of manga then japan has nothing even close to a monopoly. As someone pointed out earlier, there are dozens of popular manga style online comics, and even some comics coming from DC and Marvel in the manga style.

People never call these comics from Marvel or DC 'Manga' because most people think of manga as rather spcifically being japanese.

Actually, there really are rappers in other nations. It's not a joke.

www.kpopmusic.co.uk

I think manga really means 'irresponsible drawings'. If you want american manga try out comics like Errantstory (http://errantstory.com/archive.php?date=2002-11-01)or Megatokyo (http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=1).