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In a battle of wits and might, which of these two old codgers would emerge victorious?

Gandalf: In origin a Maia of Manwë and Varda, Gandalf came to the northwest of Middle-earth after a thousand years of the Third Age had passed, with four others of his order. At the Grey Havens, Círdan entrusted him with the Red Ring, Narya, to aid him in contesting the will of Sauron.

Gandalf wandered widely in Middle-earth, and learned much of its races and peoples. Unlike his fellow Wizards Saruman and Radagast, he never settled in a single place. He was instrumental in the victory of the War of the Ring, but during that conflict he battled with a Balrog, and though he was ultimately victorious, his spirit left his body, but was sent back to Middle-earth to complete his task.

Gandalf finally left Middle-earth in 3021 (Third Age), when he departed over the sea with the Ring-bearers.

Dumbledore: 150+ year old Albus Dumbledore is the current Headmaster of Hogwarts School of Wizardry and Witchcraft. He is the school's most respected figure, both wise and omniscient and he always has a watchful eye on Harry and the other school's pupils. He is one of the few figures that he who shall not be named, genuinely fears. Dumbledore's passions include literature, alchemy and thick woollen socks.

He was tall, thin, and very old, judging by the silver of his hair and beard, which were both long enough to tuck into his belt. He was wearing long robes, a purple cloak that swept the ground, and high-heeled, buckled boots. His blue eyes were light, bright, and sparkling behind half-moon spectacles and his nose was very long and crooked, as though it had been broken at least twice.


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How will you vote? Explain your choice!

I vote for the imaginary "other" option. I vote for myself and my 12 gauge shotgun. :D

Having read the tediously boring Simarillion...


Gandalf was a demi-god.

He would eat Albus like a Ho-Ho.

Beside wouldn't Gandalf win by default since Dumbledore was killed?

Gandalf.

Dumbledore refuses to kill whereas Gandalf has lightning.

Beside wouldn't Gandalf win by default since Dumbledore was killed?


Probably not, as Dumbles aint dead.

Just send in Snape to do a bit of benevolent old wizard removal.

Probably not, as Dumbles aint dead.

Yes he is. Snape killed him in the Half Blood Prince.

Gandalf would kick arse!

I don't really think Dumbledore died in the 6th book - I'm still clinging to the idea that Snape is good and cannot have truly killed him...but ah well...

Being the sad person I am I have been thinking about this for a few years now. And I still don't know.

Dumbledore does seem to be able to draw more power with his wand then Gandalf with his staf. Everyone is in awe/terrified of Dumbledore because he is such a great wizard, there has never been an obvious temptation for going the 'other way' with Dumbledore as there has been with Gandalf.

But then Gandalf can call eagels, and other such cool animals with just a little whisper-Gandalf has also proved that he does not need his magic staff to battle evil...I mean Dumbledore could have been killed by Malfoy because he was so weak.

I love both characters, they are both so powerful in their own way, I mean Dumbledore is the grandfather every one would love to have(or at least I would as both my grandads died when I was 2 so I don't remember them) while Gandalf is still great........

Yes he is. Snape killed him in the Half Blood Prince.


Yeah, I read it.

I think the author makes several references that alude to Dumbledore faking his death, or coming back to life.

Just send in Snape to do a bit of benevolent old wizard removal.


:eek: I HATE SNAPE....the murdering ba*t*&d :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:
I used to think he was just misunderstood:( I'm still holding out for a great explanation tho....perhaps he was under the impervius curse> :eek:

Gandalf, hands down. The magic in LOTR is alltogether of a different and in my view more powerful sort.

Also as said above, he's a sort of demi-god. And he's been around way longer than Dumbledore. And... he's just way damn cooler.

Yeah, I read it.

I think the author makes several references that alude to Dumbledore faking his death, or coming back to life.

I wouldn't know, I don't read Harry Potter.

Yeah, I read it.

I think the author makes several references that alude to Dumbledore faking his death, or coming back to life.


Oh as a ghost!!! Cos there is no way he is dead, oh although what if did fake his own death!! :)

I don't really think Dumbledore died in the 6th book - I'm still clinging to the idea that Snape is good and cannot have truly killed him...but ah well... We'll Dumbies' bought as Sirius is , but whether or not Snape's truly turned to the eaters remains to be seen. remember, dumbledores' judgment of character was impeccable and snape only killed him because he took an unbreakable vow. to gain credibility with Voldemort and Bellatrix Lestrange. I don't dumbledore would have gone on without a contingency plan, he's too smart.

I'd have to go with Gandeldore, or Dumbledolf

I wish I was in J.K. Rowling shoes. I would be rolling around naked in all that money just laughing like a mad man.

Gandalf could kick Dumbledore's arse any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. Like someone said up there ^, Gandalf is a demi-god, and makes Dumbledore look like a conjurer of cheap tricks, Bilbo Baggins.

I wish I was in J.K. Rowling shoes. I would be rolling around in all that money just laughing like a mad man. Sorry to be picky, but first of all if you were in Jo's shoes, i hope you'd be laughing like a mad woman, unless she(?)s holding out on us. And if i was in her? shoes, i'd sell them motherfriggers because they're probably the best money can buy.

Beside wouldn't Gandalf win by default since Dumbledore was killed?

OMG SPOILAGE.

I haven't read it yet. That just ruinned it.

Gah.

4 people suck! :p

I have to go with Gandalf because he is a Maiar with immense power whereas Dumbledore may be wise and powerful but is still ultimately just a human being.


As for those of you still clinging to the hope that Snape might be good and Dumbledore is not dead, J.K. Rowling has all but blown those theories out of the water in her interviews. She reffers to such beliefs as "clinging to some desperate hope". As for using Dumbledore's supposedly perfect judgement of character as a reason that Snape is not evil, here is what she says about that:

Well, there is information on that to come, in seven. But I would say that I think it has been demonstrated, particularly in books five and six that immense brainpower does not protect you from emotional mistakes and I think Dumbledore really exemplifies that.

Im not good with names and its been years since I read it, so I dont remember the name of the character or the details, but didnt Dumbledore defend someone in court who it would turn out was completely guilty in book 4? This wouldnt be his first error in judgement then. Dumbledore has the terrible flaw of trusting way too much in the inherent goodness man.

There is a whole interview on mugglenet.com that pretty much puts an end to all those conspiracy theories except for those who are too desperate to listen to the obvious. It wouldnt surprise me if Sirius is alive, but Dumbledore is most definitely going to stay dead. The part he will play in book 7 will probably be limited to whatever advice his portrait can give and whatever his memories have left behind in the pensieve.

I think dumbledore would humble gandalf. The only person the bee-man would want to kill is voldemort, as he's been helping harry with that. so, I think that he'd get gandalf to within an inch of his life, then esnd him away with a healing doo-daa.

Dumbledore and Gandalf would have a super-battle, involving eagles and phoenixes and flames and chaos, then would sit down, have a nice cup of tea and a smoke (particularly in Gandalf's case).

What twisted silliness comes up with this? How about Sauramon Vs. Dumbledore? Or any other random evil mage type from various fantasy? What reason would either of these two have for fighting each other?

I have to go with Gandalf because he is a Maiar with immense power whereas Dumbledore may be wise and powerful but is still ultimately just a human being.


As for those of you still clinging to the hope that Snape might be good and Dumbledore is not dead, J.K. Rowling has all but blown those theories out of the water in her interviews. She reffers to such beliefs as "clinging to some desperate hope". As for using Dumbledore's supposedly perfect judgement of character as a reason that Snape is not evil, here is what she says about that:



Im not good with names and its been years since I read it, so I dont remember the name of the character or the details, but didnt Dumbledore defend someone in court who it would turn out was completely guilty in book 4? This wouldnt be his first error in judgement then. Dumbledore has the terrible flaw of trusting way too much in the inherent goodness man.

There is a whole interview on mugglenet.com that pretty much puts an end to all those conspiracy theories except for those who are too desperate to listen to the obvious. It wouldnt surprise me if Sirius is alive, but Dumbledore is most definitely going to stay dead. The part he will play in book 7 will probably be limited to whatever advice his portrait can give and whatever his memories have left behind in the pensieve.

indeed, we still don't know what it was sirius fell through in book 5, he could easilly come back in number 7, i really can't see how dumbledore could come back, unless that potion he drank in the cave had any unknown significance

on the debate, gandalf, especially gandalf the white would kick dumbys ass, grey i think might be more on dumbledores level

:gundge: :sniper: :mp5: :fluffle: :headbang: dumbledore would kill gandalf anyday. and snape sucks, go dobby. he could beat kreacher 2. go :D :gundge: :sniper: :mp5: :headbang: man this smileys r cool!

Here's why Gandalf and Dumbledore would go at it:

Gandalf is sitting there smoking some of the best Longbottom leaf he's ever smoked {blatant sampling by Rowling there, Neville Longbottom} when Dumbledore goes by at about Mach 4 on his way to combat evil and have a nice cuppa. Gandalf reignites his pipe and sends a frickin HUGE smoke dragon after Dumbledore and it burns off his socks. The D-Man turns around and rushes back to IHOP (outside of which Gandalf was sitting). He orders some Swedish pancakes then goes back by the dumpsters (where Gandalf is sitting) and starts badmouthing the hobbits, Gandalf's mum, and the whole "special relationship" thing with Shadowfax (Dumble is really pissed, those socks were especially warm and wooly). Gandalf stands up and the battle is on. :gundge: A few seconds later Gandalf is lighting up again :cool: and Dumbledore is plotting how to come back from the very definite dead :mad: .

I've never been able to trudge past the first few pages of the LOTR books, since I find Tolkien's writing style dry and uninteresting. So, I'm basing this entirely on what I saw in the movies.

Gandalf's mentor, Sauromon did the cool "make the old man spin" with the staffs. Easily the sexiest bit of magic in the film. Nothing Dumbledore has performed, in the books or the movies, match the sheer "holy crap" factor as that did.

Dumbledore!!!

OK, Gandalf is an immortal demigod and Dumbledore is human. It's not even going to be close.

As regards rolling naked in J K Rowling's money, I wouldn't mind doing that with her.

OK, Gandalf is an immortal demigod and Dumbledore is human. It's not even going to be close.

As regards rolling naked in J K Rowling's money, I wouldn't mind doing that with her.

Eh, I would be like Steadman is to Oprah if I was with J.K. Rowling.

gandalf would win for one reason because Lord of the Rings magic is more powerful and (seemingly) easier to use then Harry Potter magic thus the more powerful magic of gandalf would crush the less powerful magic of dumbledore.

Yes i look into these things because magic (or whatever people make of it) is always different and is thought about and used differently by the characters and written differnetly by the authors. Tolkien creates magic that is more powerful and more binding then Rowling so because of this handicap for Dumbledore at the beginning of the fight Gandalf would win easily.

Meh,

Gandlaf couldn't even open a stupid stone dwarf door protected by a elvish riddle...

Dumbldork is nothing but a glorified school Master (Principle to you Americans) and everyone knows, those that can't do, teach.

And while the two ninnies size each other up, in marches Merlin... :cool:


:p

Gandalf's mentor, Sauromon did the cool "make the old man spin" with the staffs. Easily the sexiest bit of magic in the film. Nothing Dumbledore has performed, in the books or the movies, match the sheer "holy crap" factor as that did.

I've actually heard that you need three magical staffs to floorspin a fully grown man like Gandalf, not two.

Gandalf would win this match, just bop Dumbledore over the head with his staff.

Hello Everyone,

I would like to say that I have just started to read The Half Blood Prince and it WOULD have been nice if SOMEONE did not give spoilers to the book!!!!!!


I HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD TIME READING THE BOOK

Next time, could you please state that you have a spoiler in your message or something to the like, or else don't say it.


Thanks,

Rob

Gandalf = Angelic-equivalent uber-wizard that can shoot fireballs and lightning.

Dumbledor = Mentally unstable 100 year old who probobly needs magical laxitives every night :P

That and Dumbledor died in RL as well, just after they finished filming Sorcerers Stone.
Guess who plays him now?
Gandalf.

Therefore, Dumbledor = Gandalf, and its a pointless match :P

Ok - I voted! Dumbledore!

Neither would win.

for there would be no fight.

They would look at each other, and then sit down for a drink. Share some adventures then depart good friends.


Gandalf = Angelic-equivalent uber-wizard that can shoot fireballs and lightning.

Dumbledor = Mentally unstable 100 year old who probobly needs magical laxitives every night :P

That and Dumbledor died in RL as well, just after they finished filming Sorcerers Stone.
Guess who plays him now?
Gandalf.

Therefore, Dumbledor = Gandalf, and its a pointless match :P
Wrong, the original Dumbledore died after Chamber of secrets and was replaced not by Ian Mckellen but by Richard Harris.

Meh,

Gandlaf couldn't even open a stupid stone dwarf door protected by a elvish riddle...

Dumbldork is nothing but a glorified school Master (Principle to you Americans) and everyone knows, those that can't do, teach.

And while the two ninnies size each other up, in marches Merlin... :cool:


:p

Who probably sits down to have a cuppa and a smoke with Elminster and discuss the vagaries of fanboys and all these fights they dream up off =p

Gandalf's senses are weakened due to his reliance upon pipe-weed :D

I don't see Dumbedumbass humping a fire demon as both of them fall down miles into the earth. Gandalf wins bare hands down

Mithrandir would easily best that Potter clown.

Having read the tediously boring Simarillion...

That's Tolkien's best book! Blasphemy!

Gandalf would own Dumbledore. That senile dumbass nearly loses his school over and over to various evils, hires insanely incompetent/evil/monstrous teachers of Defense Against the Dark Arts, and still manages to keep his job. He's not even immortal, unlike Gandalf.

Gandalf held off the Balrog, for God's sake. Dumbledore couldn't even stop a fucking troll.

Dumbledore is to trusting. I bet he would have let Grima stay advisor to Théoden. Gandalf is the man!

Being the sad person I am I have been thinking about this for a few years now. And I still don't know.

Dumbledore does seem to be able to draw more power with his wand then Gandalf with his staf. Everyone is in awe/terrified of Dumbledore because he is such a great wizard, there has never been an obvious temptation for going the 'other way' with Dumbledore as there has been with Gandalf.

But then Gandalf can call eagels, and other such cool animals with just a little whisper-Gandalf has also proved that he does not need his magic staff to battle evil...I mean Dumbledore could have been killed by Malfoy because he was so weak.

I love both characters, they are both so powerful in their own way, I mean Dumbledore is the grandfather every one would love to have(or at least I would as both my grandads died when I was 2 so I don't remember them) while Gandalf is still great........

You know that Dumbledore before he was killed by Snape can call on his trusting phoenix, Fawkes to ade him in battle. He did it in the fifth book and he can jinx statues and other unreal objects into doing things.

I like Gandalf but I think Dumbledore definitely takes this one.

Gandalf would own Dumbledore. That senile dumbass nearly loses his school over and over to various evils, hires insanely incompetent/evil/monstrous teachers of Defense Against the Dark Arts, and still manages to keep his job. He's not even immortal, unlike Gandalf.

Gandalf held off the Balrog, for God's sake. Dumbledore couldn't even stop a fucking troll.

Dumbledore at full health can two hold off a troll. In the series he held off 3+ Aurors and he took out at least 10 Death Eaters by himself. he even held defeated voldemort but couldn't kill him because of the Horcruxes as found out in the 6th book. The only reason why he died is because of that poison drink. Without that poison in his body Dumbledore would have destroyed Snape.

Wooshaba']Dumbledore at full health can two hold off a troll. In the series he held off 3+ Aurors and he took out at least 10 Death Eaters by himself. he even held defeated voldemort but couldn't kill him because of the Horcruxes as found out in the 6th book. The only reason why he died is because of that poison drink. Without that poison in his body Dumbledore would have destroyed Snape.Ah, yes, but Gandalf has taken care of a whole cave full of orcs, three trolls at the same time, a balrog, and he's supervised the defence of a besieged city. Dumbledore doesn't really come close to that.

Gandalf the Grey, the weaker of the two versions, merely wins the battle. Gandalf the White kicks Dumbledor's ass six ways to Sunday:

‘The old man was too quick for him. He sprang to his feet and leaped to the top of a large rock. There he stood, grown suddenly tall, towering above them. His hood and grey rags were flung away. His white garments shone. He lifted up his staff, and Gimli’s axe leaped from his grasp and fell ringing on the ground. The sword of Aragorn, stiff in his motionless hand, blazed with a sudden fire. Legolas gave a great shout and shot an arrow high into the air: it vanished in a flash of flame.’
-The White Rider, p. 483

And not only is that just a sample of his powers, but he doesn't have to waste time speaking Latin for his spells to work :D

He's a bad mother....
Shut Yo Mouth
Talkin 'bout Gandalf!

Would whoop the brit schoolteacher twonk like a redheaded stepchild. Don't get me wrong Rowling writes a good parent's book (a children's book is read by children most of the folks that read the Potter seriese are old enough to buy beer) Fandalf is still smarter and more powerful. A no-brainer a no-contest.

I gotta take Gandalf. He's proven himself capable in shaping "worldly" events. Of course, Tolkien kinda used him as a "save all" in certain situations.

I would like to meet this Fandalf of which you speak

Actually - both would engage in an inconclusive battle

Then a man would appear and careen into both of them, destroying them all...

This man, in fact...

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Hmm... I would say it's a draw

actually Richard Harris died after the Chamber of secrets.

Neither would win.

for there would be no fight.

They would look at each other, and then sit down for a drink. Share some adventures then depart good friends.



Wrong, the original Dumbledore died after Chamber of secrets and was replaced not by Ian Mckellen but by Richard Harris.

Ehh, try again.

Richard Harris was the original Dumbledore, and died after the filming of CoS, and his replacement was Michael Gambon.

Ehh, try again.

Richard Harris was the original Dumbledore, and died after the filming of CoS, and his replacement was Michael Gambon.

i can never remember michael gambon's name, probably because i think he pales in comparison to Richard Harris. i mean come on he sound like he's constantly out of breath rather than mystical. and richard Harris was also better at being eccentric. (Alas, Earwax.)

:eek: I HATE SNAPE....the murdering ba*t*&d :sniper: :mp5: :gundge:
I used to think he was just misunderstood:( I'm still holding out for a great explanation tho....perhaps he was under the impervius curse> :eek:

maybe Snape was actually evil all along. :rolleyes:

Gandalf takes this one in a one round KO. What it boils down to is that Dumbledore was human and mortal, while Gandalf is a demi-god with an unspecified status of immortality. While Dumbledore may have more cutesy powers, Gandalf would easily overpower him. Without his wand Dumbledore is helpless, as in the Half-Blood Prince, but Gandalf's powers can be wielded with or without his staff.

I just think they're both extremely capable wizards, but I'd throw my cap in for Dumbledore (R.I.P) *Weeps gently*.

Gandalf takes this one in a one round KO. What it boils down to is that Dumbledore was human and mortal, while Gandalf is a demi-god with an unspecified status of immortality. While Dumbledore may have more cutesy powers, Gandalf would easily overpower him. Without his wand Dumbledore is helpless, as in the Half-Blood Prince, but Gandalf's powers can be wielded with or without his staff.

You forget that he had just drank a potion that rendered him extremely weakened cause Potter was a LITTLE *BEEP* WHO COULDN'T DO IT. THE MAN'S GOTTA BE PUSHING 75 PLUS! GOD, YOU CAN'T HAVE A LITTLE SIP! Prissy little asswipe...

Sorry, venting. Anyhoo, something makes me think Dumbledore isnt helpless, namely the abilities to Apparate, Occlumency, and Legimenty (Looking into people's mind and blocking that), but since that irrelevant, I'll talk about his death. He's very weakened, has paralized the so-called 'Chosen One' and thrown his own Invisibility Cloak on top of him, and disarmed by his student, Draco Malfoy. Dumbledore, being the upright guy he is, tries to talk sense into him, and as he does (and it looks like it's working), Death Eaters rush him, and Snape kills him *Strangles air*

But back on topic. Dumbledore's been kickin ass since World War II. That elevates him in my book.

Ah, yes, but Gandalf has taken care of a whole cave full of orcs, three trolls at the same time, a balrog, and he's supervised the defence of a besieged city. Dumbledore doesn't really come close to that.

Not to mention holding the gate against the Lord of Nazgul during the siege.