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An Israeli gunman dressed as a soldier has been lynched by a mob after killing at least three people and wounding four on a bus in an Israeli Arab town.
According to Israeli media, he opened fire after an argument with passengers as they travelled between the Galilee town of Shfaram and the city of Haifa.
Police evacuated the bus after the shooting and tried to protect the man but he was stoned by the crowd.
Israeli security sources described the incident as a "Jewish terror attack".
Some of the injured passengers are reported to be in a critical condition.
According to police, the gunman was dressed in an Israeli uniform and eyewitnesses quoted on Israeli television described him as bearded and wearing a Jewish skull cap.
The gunman was an Israeli army deserter with links to right-wing extremists, said security sources quoted by Israel's Haaretz newspaper.
"It is Jewish terror against Arabs," police spokesman Avi Zelba told Reuters news agency.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4746591.stm

Jews who murder Arab civilians should be treated exactly the same as Arabs who do the same to Jewish civilians, because they are the same. No doubt some people on here don't think so, and I doubt if Ariel Sharon does either.

Jews who murder Arab civilians should be treated exactly the same as Arabs who do the same to Jewish civilians, because they are the same. No doubt some people on here don't think so
Don't make assumptions.

Extremism is always bad, no matter who's doing it.

Don't make assumptions.

Extremism is always bad, no matter who's doing it.

Hmm, don't see asumptions here, specially not from Velo. Explain the class?
Always bad indeed, but Israeli terrorisme is a fact, once again.

This story will get much media attention, largely due to the fact that most attacks are young, Muslim males shooting or bombing Israelis

Hmmm, wasn't this posted some time ago? Or is it another copycat attack?

"It is Jewish terror against Arabs," police spokesman Avi Zelba told Reuters news agency.

A bit of a switch, which as Bushrepublican Liars says, probably won't get much media attention

The fact that he was an Israeli soldier should have the Israeli government apologizing to all its citizens, especially the Palestinian victims. If their soldiers become terrorists or commit terrorism Israel will be in for a lot of trouble and little international support.

No, as an Israeli soldier, he is a Friend and Ally of the United States of America, and all he was doing was killing savages- men, women and children savages- who Hate us because We are Free. Yes, they spend every minute of every day concentrating on how awful it is for Westerners to live free, to the extent that they ignore all of thier own problems to focus solely on it. Because George W. is God's representative here on earth, anyone allied with Him is a Good Person, and doing good by killing those evil musselman Ayrab terrorist scum.
:rolleyes:

(Someone won't get it.)

The fact that pig Sharon called him a terrorist is good. And yes, terrorists come on all shapes and sizes. There have been, since 1985 at least two Christian suicide bombers. And the suicide bomb vest was developed by secular Hindus in Sri Lanka.

In Israel especially, things are never quite what they seem :rolleyes:
http://www.rense.com/general67/cham.htm

The fact that he was an Israeli soldier should have the Israeli government apologizing to all its citizens, especially the Palestinian victims. If their soldiers become terrorists or commit terrorism Israel will be in for a lot of trouble and little international support.


Just a point of fact, if you read the article. He was an army deserter, and as such could be hardly called a member of the army as though he somehow represents them. The article says "dressed as a soldier", not "a soldier". He was also a member of an illegal organization, so again, he could hardly be thought of as a representative of Israel. I don't see why Saron need apologize for the action of a criminal - if so, then he should apologize every time someone commits murder in the country.

Debate away...

He was also a member of an illegal organization, so again, he could hardly be thought of as a representative of Israel. I don't see why Saron need apologize for the action of a criminal - if so, then he should apologize every time someone commits murder in the country.

Debate away...

Hmm Why do you guys speak about Palestinian terrorisme when they are not representative of Palestine...Never saw that.

Just a point of fact, if you read the article. He was an army deserter, and as such could be hardly called a member of the army as though he somehow represents them. The article says "dressed as a soldier", not "a soldier". He was also a member of an illegal organization, so again, he could hardly be thought of as a representative of Israel. I don't see why Saron need apologize for the action of a criminal - if so, then he should apologize every time someone commits murder in the country.

Debate away...

Because everytime an Islamic Jihadist commits an act of terrorism anywhere, the Muslim community as a whole is always expected to apologize profusely, beg forgiveness and make a dog-and-pony show out of condemning the act or they're automatically presumed to have wholeheartedly endorsed such a crime.

Christians weren't nagged to apologize to the world for Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph, and Israel was never made to apologize for Baruch Goldstein's mosque rampage either. There's a double standard in the world when it comes to Islam and the rest of the world on the matter of extremists committing atrocities.

Hmm Why do you guys speak about Palestinian terrorisme when they are not representative of Palestine...Never saw that.

Sorry... don't quite follow you. And who is "you guys"?

Sorry... don't quite follow you. And who is "you guys"?

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The fact that he was an Israeli soldier should have the Israeli government apologizing to all its citizens, especially the Palestinian victims. If their soldiers become terrorists or commit terrorism Israel will be in for a lot of trouble and little international support.
An israeli soldier who had already deserted his unit. Comparing this incident and the shit the palestinians pull and calling them the same is fucking bullshit. Until organizations pop up in israel calling for the extermination or servitude of anyone of palestinian descent and that continually go around killing palestinian women and children then you can say they are the same. Otherwise all you get is a bunch of asshole moral relativists trying to excuse the behavior of an entire group and not just very, very small elements within that group.

Ok, so why don't we have a thread every single time a Palestinian terrorist blows himself up in a group of civilians? After all, we're all about equal coverage, no?

Ok, so why don't we have a thread every single time a Palestinian terrorist blows himself up ?
Hmm there allways is, nice to know that some people still are critical and have the guts to post facts of Israeli terrorisme :D I know you hate that information, go to sabbat and stay blind. :p

Because everytime an Islamic Jihadist commits an act of terrorism anywhere, the Muslim community as a whole is always expected to apologize profusely, beg forgiveness and make a dog-and-pony show out of condemning the act or they're automatically presumed to have wholeheartedly endorsed such a crime.

Christians weren't nagged to apologize to the world for Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph, and Israel was never made to apologize for Baruch Goldstein's mosque rampage either. There's a double standard in the world when it comes to Islam and the rest of the world on the matter of extremists committing atrocities.

Ain't that the truth?

Ok, so why don't we have a thread every single time a Palestinian terrorist blows himself up in a group of civilians? After all, we're all about equal coverage, no?
Now now, that would cut into the anti-jewish and anti-israel threads' time. We can't have that.

Because everytime an Islamic Jihadist commits an act of terrorism anywhere, the Muslim community as a whole is always expected to apologize profusely, beg forgiveness and make a dog-and-pony show out of condemning the act or they're automatically presumed to have wholeheartedly endorsed such a crime.

Christians weren't nagged to apologize to the world for Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph, and Israel was never made to apologize for Baruch Goldstein's mosque rampage either. There's a double standard in the world when it comes to Islam and the rest of the world on the matter of extremists committing atrocities.

I don't know what your point has to do with this thread, but it's fair enough. I say argue with facts, not hyperbole. This terrorist killed some people, he was formerly in the army, and belonged to an outlawed group. He was wanted by the police. Deal with that, don't project it unless you have facts.

Did a right-wing (I guess he must be, I don't follow Israeli politics) individual murder people? Yes. Did he do it on orders of his group? We don't know. Did he do it as an agent of the Israeli government? Improbable, let's see.

So for people to turn this into a right-wing fundamentalist extremist terrorist plot involving Sharon, I say don't try to score some political points off it. The murder's group should be investigated, of course - they are illegal as it is. I say it's up to Sharon whether he chooses to apologize, that there's no connection between him and a mass murder.

Regarding your point about other terrorists, I presume you are trying to achieve some sort of political parity. I can only speak for myself, and I say that all terrorism is wrong, but the most dangerous sort is organized terrorism - if only because of the scale, compared to a loose cannon or two, three.

You can't make every murder into terrorism, it's when there's an ideology and organization, with death used as political means to an objective, that we have a problem. McVeigh and so-called Christian bombers acted alone or within a group of a few individuals, without a direct connection to a main organization like Al-Qaeda. You catch those guys, execute them, and done - the end of the organization.

You may misunderstand why some call on the Moslem community to condemn (not apologize for) terrorism, and to take specific actions. I have done so for very precise reasons - I believe that there will be a backlash against that community if they do not, and I believe that it will help dry up the supply of terrorists. I suspect that many people feel the same way. I would feel the same way regardless of the religion that has terrorists of the same persuasion. I do not feel that they need to apologize, nor do I feel that any US politician or Church leader need apologize for McVeigh et. al.

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What was the question?