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Rule Britannia
a song by Thomas Augustine Arne, 1740

When Britain first at Heav'n's command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain;

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

The nations not so blest as thee,
Shall in their turns to tyrants fall;
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

Still mor majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame,
All their attempts to bend thee down
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

To thee belongs the rural reign;
They cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles thine.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coast repair;
Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crowned,
And manly hearts to juide the fair.

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:
Britons never will be slaves.

[EDIT: Yes, this is the official mindless British patriotism thread.]

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Not loading, but I assume it to be a dreadnought.

It's a map of our once glorious empire.
Btw please remove your quote, it's REALLY screwing up loading.

Not loading, but I assume it to be a dreadnought.
Please delete the massive page breaking image-quote. kthx.

Please delete the massive page breaking image-quote. kthx.

There, it's done. It ws a glorious Empire; since my family came from it I'm more proud of it than most Americans.

There, it's done. It ws a glorious Empire; since my family came from it I'm more proud of it than most Americans.
Excellent.

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I don't know what the almost-embarassing levels of patriotism are in aid of, but here's a quick excerpt to boost them still further:

Land of Hope and Glory,
Mother of the Free,
How shall we extol thee,
Who are born of thee?
Wider still and wider
Shall thy bounds be set;
God, who made thee mighty,
Make thee mightier yet.

:gundge:

I want Ulster back too!

:gundge:

I want Ulster back too!

Back to who?

(wiki'd, but i can (and did) sing it all)
1

God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God save the Queen.

2

O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On thee our hopes we fix:
God save the Queen.

3

Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen 1.

Although in the original lyrics, verses 4-6 are now omitted entirely - partly to reduce the length of the anthem and partly due to the 'rebellious Scots to crush' line in verse six:

4

Not in this land alone,
But be God's mercies known,
From shore to shore!
Lord make the nations see,
That men should brothers be,
And form one family,
The wide world ov'er.

5

From every latent foe,
From the assassins blow,
God save the Queen!
O'er her thine arm extend,
For Britain's sake defend,
Our mother, prince, and friend,
God save the Queen!

6

Lord grant that Marshal Wade
May by thy mighty aid
Victory bring.
May he sedition hush,
And like a torrent rush,
Rebellious Scots to crush.
God save the Queen!

Verse 6 reacted to Sir John Cope's defeat by the Jacobites at the Battle of Prestonpans with a prayer for the success of Wade's army then assembling at Newcastle.

The Jacobite forces bypassed his force and reached Derby, but then retreated and when their garrison at Carlisle surrendered to a second government army led by King George's son the Duke of Cumberland another verse was added:

6

George is magnanimous,
Subjects unanimous;
Peace to us bring:
His fame is glorious,
Reign meritorious,
God save the King!

Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves:

...and also always prepared to waive the rules when it is to her advantage.

Back to who?

Back to whom?

Aside from the fact that one third of Ulster is currently Irish, and the other two thirds part of the UK, just to complicate matters.

Back to whom?

Aside from the fact that one third of Ulster is currently Irish, and the other two thirds part of the UK, just to complicate matters.

Dammit thats the 5th time i've been corrected like that today :p At least it was the first on here i suppose

Huzzah! *Prods his sig happily and puts on the Voice of the Guns march*

A toast to Britannia, the finest land on earth. May she remain ever prosperous, ever strong, and ever free.

*Drinks*

I make fun of your empire and say our empire was much better!

I make fun of your empire and say our empire was much better!
<.< The British Empire was the biggest, most poerwful and most influential in the world. I dont see how yours could be better >.>

The saying goes 'The sun never set on the British Empire'
I'm proud to be British!

...and also always prepared to waive the rules when it is to her advantage.

Check your food for glass my friend.... :D

My favourite (Fictional) British character, and what I see as an embodiement of the Empire:

Sharpe!:

http://www.harryflashman.org/sharpe.jpg

Harry Flashman himself is much better than Sharpe!

Harry Flashman himself is much better than Sharpe!

:eek:

Sharpe would kick Flashmans snooty, laidback behind!

Flashmans a great character, but Sharpe is a trained killer with instinct. Flashman just gets extraordinarily lucky and pulls random women...which is really what Sharpe does half of the time...

*Goes and ponders this*

How nice to leech the bandwidth away from random sites, vultures :rolleyes:. And to give this dreadful thread the deathblow, here's the french flag and the pledge of allegiance

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE

I pledge allegiance to the Flag
of the United States of America,
and to the Republic for which it stands:
one Nation under God, indivisible,
With Liberty and Justice for all.

FRENCH NATIONAL ANTHEM

Allons enfants de la patrie,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé
Contre nous de la tyrannie
L'étendard sanglant est levé
Entendez vous dans les campagnes,
Mugir ces féroces soldats?
Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras
Egorger nos fils, nos compagnes!

Aux armes, citoyens!
Formez vos bataillons!
Marchons! Marchons!
Qu'un sang impur
Abreuve nos sillons!

Amour sacré de la patrie,
Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs!
Liberté, Liberté cherie,
Combats avec tes defenseurs!
Sous nos drapeaux, que la victoire
Accoure à tes males accents!
Que tes ennemis expirants
Voient ton triomphe et notre gloire!

Nous entrerons dans la carrière
Quand nos ainés n'y seront plus;
Nous y trouverons leur poussière
Et la trace de leurs vertus.
Bien moins jaloux de leur survivre
Que de partager leur cercueil,
Nous aurons le sublime orgueil
De les venger ou de les suivre!

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Enough humor for today, and it sure ain't British humor!

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A link for you Great British...

What do you think ?

Yes thats me with my Camdean street sign a friend aquired for me before I had to leave my hometown, only just got back after 3 years outside Glasgow - LOVE IT !!

You think that you can discourage the likes of me with that paltry claptrap, HP? Don't make me laugh. Bloody cocky colonial. And as for the French - Waterloo, Trafalgar, anyone?

And bluestrips - nicely done lad! *Hoists a pint*

You think that you can discourage the likes of me with that paltry claptrap, HP? Don't make me laugh. Bloody cocky colonial. And as for the French - Waterloo, Trafalgar, anyone?

And bluestrips - nicely done lad! *Hoists a pint*Who cares about the past? Honestly, it's a mere excuse just to increase self-confidence and the confidence in a nation that's just like all the other colonial powers. 1/4th Of the world? Don't make me laugh. You brits obviously never heard of "it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it".

I don't need to mention the brits invented wiggers, chavs, townies, the swell London suburbs, built the first concentration camps... How nice! Britons shall never be slaves? I see british boys dying in Iraq for something they never really wanted to do. That's pretty amusing actually, Americans start the war, the british take all the (terrorist) punches.

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A link for you Great British...

What do you think ?

Yes thats me with my Camdean street sign a friend aquired for me before I had to leave my hometown, only just got back after 3 years outside Glasgow - LOVE IT !!

Posting this in other threads after your own threads have been locked isn't a smart idea Bluestrips. If you're wanting to post it, create a thread for it, in which there is room for an actual discussion, rather than your previous attempts.

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Who cares about the past? Honestly, it's a mere excuse just to increase self-confidence and the confidence in a nation that's just like all the other colonial powers. 1/4th Of the world? Don't make me laugh. You brits obviously never heard of "it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it".

I don't need to mention the brits invented wiggers, chavs, townies, the swell London suburbs, built the first concentration camps... How nice! Britons shall never be slaves? I see british boys dying in Iraq for something they never really wanted to do. That's pretty amusing actually, Americans start the war, the british take all the (terrorist) punches.
Actually relative to the number of troops we have in Iraq we're taking remarkably fewer casualties than the Americans are. A unit of British troops even, having run out of ammunition (despite not being trained to wildly spray ammunition on full auto in the hope they'll hit something like other armies are) conducted a bayonet charge against Iraqi fighters who outnumbered them killed several, captured others and dispersed the rest without a single British soldier dying. Face it - we're just better soldiers than you.

PS.

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Waah whine whine whine. Better trained? Possibly. Outnumbered and outgunned by America? Definitely. Your so called British heroic tales don't impress me. So many things happen in the Iraqi war, "heroism" is such a relative thing. I don't know the stories but I'll be damned if Americans didn't do such heroic things. Don't forget you're fighting civil militia's, try doing a bayonet charge versus American soldiers.

Face it, you can never override me with your pseudo-patriotic arguments. You're not a true patriot, it's just attention seeking armchair patriotism. "Look we are British look at our history we are so good look at our navy look at us." True patriotism isn't about flagwaving all day long or constantly chanting how cool your nation is. A real one fights a political battle with words for change for the betterment of all people without socialist, racist or any other left-right political motives, they fight for their country and what's best for it. The other kind fights for the people, and is genuinely willing* to die for his country. The people who fought in the American or French revolution are patriots, not a few people leeching flags and images of ships.

*With willing I mean it literally, not the army rhethoric: "calculated risk of dying and living with it when doing your job" kind of thing.

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb

God save the queen
She aint no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future no future
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cos tourists are money
Our figures head
Is not what she seems

Oh god save history
God save your mad parade
Oh lord god have mercy
All crimes are paid

When there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future you're future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreaming

No future no future
No future for you
No future no future
No future for me

No future no future
No future for you
No future no future
No future for you
No future no future for you

Great song great post DHomme I love it :)

[snip]

Where are you from exactly? And how is Britain a fascist state?

Holy Panooly, what point other than being obnoxious do any of your posts have in this thread? You're certainly flamebaiting if not outright trolling.

Knock it off.

Holy Panooly, what point other than being obnoxious do any of your posts have in this thread? You're certainly flamebaiting if not outright trolling.

Knock it off.Trolling? Me? I'm having a debate whether their nationalism/patriotism as displayed in this thread is necessary or real. The first post was more or less humor, if people cannot appreciate it or complain about, feel uncomfortable with it feel free to delete it. The post made by DPUO is something I replied to in regard of the historic references given by him. I replied with some lesser, and pretty stupid examples (not even fully correct as every British citizen knows, hence why it's more of a parody). Praetonia continued about this, saying British soldiers are per definition better than American soldiers. The truthfulness is something up for debate, but I bounced the ball back to him by saying British soldiers are not the only ones being "heroic" from time to time.

I continued about Praetonia's patriotism and explained it from my viewpoint, elaborating why his sense of national identity/patriotism isn't coherent in my vision, yet again. Some may call it blunt, but I rather call DHomme's post (quite possibly song lyrics) a lot more offending because they simply call Britain a fascist state.

God save the queen
The fascist regime
They made you a moron
Potential H-bomb

God save the queen
She aint no human being
There is no future
In England's dreaming

Don't be told what you want
Don't be told what you need
There's no future no future
No future for you

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
'Cos tourists are money
Our figures head
Is not what she seems

Oh god save history
God save your mad parade
Oh lord god have mercy
All crimes are paid

When there's no future
How can there be sin
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future you're future

God save the queen
We mean it man
We love our queen
God saves

God save the queen
We mean it man
And there is no future
In England's dreaming

No future no future
No future for you
No future no future
No future for me

No future no future
No future for you
No future no future
No future for you
No future no future for you

God, I hate the Sex Pistols.

Waah whine whine whine. Better trained? Possibly. Outnumbered and outgunned by America? Definitely.
All that proves is that you have more money, most of which was leeched off of Europe during the first and second world wars which you continue to try to leech all the credit for. It means nothing.

Your so called British heroic tales don't impress me. So many things happen in the Iraqi war, "heroism" is such a relative thing. I don't know the stories but I'll be damned if Americans didn't do such heroic things.
Oh Im sure they did, and I have heard some of these stories. A bayonet charge against a large number of peopl armed with assault rifles is the best one I've heard - and the American soldiers arent even trained to use bayonets anymore, just spray everything with ammunition of full auto and then call in some tanks.

Don't forget you're fighting civil militia's, try doing a bayonet charge versus American soldiers.
All of America's wars in recent years have been against civilian militias and some of them you've lost. What's your point? And for that matter - during the Falklands War British troops used the bayonet charge against Argentinan forces, who were a modern army.

The people who fought in the American or French revolution are patriots, not a few people leeching flags and images of ships.
Have you ever heard of the English Civil War? I shouldnt have thought so... it predates America by some time, so you probably never go taught about it.

The rest of your egoist mock-churchillian rant is barely worth a responce. Needless to say, it is possible to be proud of your country without having to go on some stupid political crusade just to show that you're a "real patriot".

PPS. I have more ships than you.

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Funny how when Americans post some poem or song or some other form litriature which constitutes to patriotism we are all expected to think "ah look..they have a song..good for them..yes..how nice" but when we actually do soemthing along the same lines we receive nothing but slander, flame and insults...why ?

Rule Britania. God save the queen . Make me PM and then we will see who India belongs to!

*removes Pith helmet and salutes*
I concur

I just agree: RULE BRITANNIA! :D

its amazing when other countrys stamp there foot and slag off england for hoisting the flag an saluting it.
However when it comes to there countrys and when they do the same they expect us to yeild an cower!. Sorry chaps it aint happening we salute our flag with pride!! an sing any song to rally the people in our country the same as you!.
So just rember that we are all human an all these lil bits of rock an mud in the world we have labled are all the same its the spirit of the people we define it is that when we are a thousand miles away we can look back on a map an truly feel a place were we belong thrugh word an verse be we american german english hell even french and the many other places of this planet!.
what will make me laugh is when we finaly do colonise another world those people will do exactly the same and form there own hallowed shores an defend them as we all do i prey they donot choose to fight us as easliy as we choose to fight one another simply becouse we wish to ''feel'' at home

its amazing when other countrys stamp there foot and slag off england for hoisting the flag an saluting it.
However when it comes to there countrys and when they do the same they expect us to yeild an cower!. Sorry chaps it aint happening we salute our flag with pride!! an sing any song to rally the people in our country the same as you!.
So just rember that we are all human an all these lil bits of rock an mud in the world we have labled are all the same its the spirit of the people we define it is that when we are a thousand miles away we can look back on a map an truly feel a place were we belong thrugh word an verse be we american german english hell even french and the many other places of this planet!.
what will make me laugh is when we finaly do colonise another world those people will do exactly the same and form there own hallowed shores an defend them as we all do i prey they donot choose to fight us as easliy as we choose to fight one another simply becouse we wish to ''feel'' at home

Bravo..couldnt have put it better my self..in fact i tried to a few posts back and i didnt sucseed
:)

Americans start the war, the british take all the (terrorist) punches.

Im sorry, whos had 1000 deaths and hundereds more wounded in the war. Whos had 6000 soldiers go AWOL in the war. Who's caused 57,000 civilian deaths in this war. Whos soldiers told the press that theyd been ordered to shoot whatever moves, even if it was civilians

Rule Britania. God save the queen . Make me PM and then we will see who India belongs to!

lol yes

Funny how when Americans post some poem or song or some other form litriature which constitutes to patriotism we are all expected to think "ah look..they have a song..good for them..yes..how nice" but when we actually do soemthing along the same lines we receive nothing but slander, flame and insults...why ?

Rule Britania. God save the queen . Make me PM and then we will see who India belongs to!

Actually, it's the other way around. You're just wallowing in self pity that a nationalistic thread about YOUR country got "flamed." That, in and of itself, is laughable, because at least two of those flames have been anti-American :confused:. Hell, by just existing, we're ignorant because we apparently don't know about the English Civil War(s).

Do you know what I though when I saw this thread? "ah look..they have a song..good for them..yes..how nice" No, seriously! I did! I figure it's that kind of mutual respect that would make nationalism work. Oh, you like your country? Excellent, I like mine. Apparently that's not the way you see it.

When we put our song up there, someone is obligated to make a barb that Americans are arrogant and ignorant scum which should all die because they obviously all voted for George Bush. N----- PLEASE.

And that bit for Americans starting the war and British taking all of the hits from the terrorists, the Spanish would like to have a word with you, and it's probably also somewhat useful to note that Bush wouldn't have went on this ultraviolence Middle East invasion spree if it weren't for what happened almost three years ago in New York.

Actually, it's the other way around. You're just wallowing in self pity that a nationalistic thread about YOUR country got "flamed." That, in and of itself, is laughable, because at least two of those flames have been anti-American :confused:. Hell, by just existing, we're ignorant because we apparently don't know about the English Civil War(s).

Do you know what I though when I saw this thread? "ah look..they have a song..good for them..yes..how nice" No, seriously! I did! I figure it's that kind of mutual respect that would make nationalism work. Oh, you like your country? Excellent, I like mine. Apparently that's not the way you see it.

When we put our song up there, someone is obligated to make a barb that Americans are arrogant and ignorant scum which should all die because they obviously all voted for George Bush. N----- PLEASE.

And that bit for Americans starting the war and British taking all of the hits from the terrorists, the Spanish would like to have a word with you, and it's probably also somewhat useful to note that Bush wouldn't have went on this ultraviolence Middle East invasion spree if it weren't for what happened almost three years ago in New York.

....i didnt post ...95% of what you are complaining about but i agree with you mutual respect could let nationalism work...you seem to have me confused with someone else...i never psoted americans were ignorant because they are not taught about the english civil war...i am glad you like your country..i like mine

In the style of Bill Bryson - I came from Britain, Somebody had to. I am not, by any means, proud to be so.

The last page degenerated into a clash of two uncomprising patriotisms - pride in identity is fine, patriotism, REGARDLESS of the nation, tends to nationalism more than most patriots would admit. Patriotism (in a significant proportion of patriots) tends to unqualified impressions of superiority in indentity.

As much as American patriotism does irritate me something chronic, I cannot make many assessments because I only see media on it - secondary sources, if you will - and so as much as I fail to see founding for it, mainly due to the "we fight for an equal world were we (or rather, corporations in general) come first" impression it gives, I cannot reach a level conclusion, not having seen both sides of the argument. Not to say that all the press I've seen is against or for the states, or for that matter credible - whilst some seem reliable, the former can be scare stories, the latter utterly nausiating.

In a way, the scrutiny the Americans are receiving nowadays is history repeating. The British Empire commited various atrocities in it's imperial annexation of various territories - many were killed in India because of being viewed as heathens, and having allied with the Arabs in order to give them a new homeland in exchange for their support against the Turks in WW1, instead broke our promise and decided to split the land with the French instead (Lawrence of Arabia is based on this). In addition to this, we created a Jewish Zionist state (Israel), giving land to peoples that Arabs and Muslims had been fighting for years. As much as my view on the Middle Eastern issue is that they should just share the land (as impractical and probably unrealisable as it is), if the Geneva Convention had taken place before Britain had taxed the Indian's Salt (which is necessary in our diet but in very small amounts), had betrayed the peoples of the Middle East, and been heartless on the Boers, I believe we'd have been put under a "regime change" ourselves...

Another problem with Patriotism is that strong patriots from different countries will never agree with the other's point of view, and so patriotism makes more enemies than it does friends. In a world that's mostly striving to get along with one another and enjoy a better quality of life, we have no need for patriotism creating trivial divides. It causes false negative impressions - opposing patriots, one provoking the other with a patriotic statement (because most people ignore it and don't want to get involved), will get an adverse and often blunt and one-sided argument as a retort. This, generating a negative impression of the people of the other nation in light of an opposing extreme patriot's opinion, satisifies the original patriot's impressions of people from the other country being wrong and unreasonable; this is what psychologists call a self-fulfilling prophecy as it induces the negative impressions that it expects.

By all means, be proud of what you are if you are. Just don't go around saying with a closed-mind that either your, my or any other nationality is the best because it is unqualifiable. Patriotism with an open mind is self-content. Patriotism with a closed mind is nationalism.

The saying goes 'The sun never set on the British Empire'

You forgot the inevitable historical coda to this one: "...because God didn't trust the sneaky bastards in the dark".

You forgot the inevitable historical coda to this one: "...because God didn't trust the sneaky bastards in the dark".


:p :p :p

Wow, looks like some Americans don't appreciate "sub human foreigners" being patriotic, but of course it is fine for them to plant flags everywhere to remind them where they live, and assert that Americans are a type of master race.

Maybe it's because for all American pride and bluster, deep down they are fairly envious of Britain since they have no real heritage or culture to speak of.

Waah whine whine whine. Better trained? Possibly. Outnumbered and outgunned by America? Definitely. Your so called British heroic tales don't impress me. So many things happen in the Iraqi war, "heroism" is such a relative thing. I don't know the stories but I'll be damned if Americans didn't do such heroic things. Don't forget you're fighting civil militia's, try doing a bayonet charge versus American soldiers.

Face it, you can never override me with your pseudo-patriotic arguments. You're not a true patriot, it's just attention seeking armchair patriotism. "Look we are British look at our history we are so good look at our navy look at us." True patriotism isn't about flagwaving all day long or constantly chanting how cool your nation is. A real one fights a political battle with words for change for the betterment of all people without socialist, racist or any other left-right political motives, they fight for their country and what's best for it. The other kind fights for the people, and is genuinely willing* to die for his country. The people who fought in the American or French revolution are patriots, not a few people leeching flags and images of ships.

*With willing I mean it literally, not the army rhethoric: "calculated risk of dying and living with it when doing your job" kind of thing.

How do you know everyone posting on here isn't genuinely willing to die for their country, posting in a forum and being prepared to die for your country are not mutually exclusive!

I can't even begin to imagine what overriding a person (I assume that's what you are) with pseudo-patriotic arguments, would consist of?!?!? sounds fun though!

Wow, looks like some Americans don't appreciate "sub human foreigners" being patriotic, but of course it is fine for them to plant flags everywhere to remind them where they live, and assert that Americans are a type of master race.

Maybe it's because for all American pride and bluster, deep down they are fairly envious of Britain since they have no real heritage or culture to speak of.
Owned! This post absolutely pwns. And it's correct too ^^

...Any time soon about 59 enraged Yank patriots are going to post on this thread...hmm...remmeber kids..we dont want to upset the colonials..!

Owned! This post absolutely pwns. And it's correct too ^^

I'd say it was a little harsh, My guess would be that the americans described are in the minority!

[QUOTE=Holy panooly]Waah whine whine whine. Better trained? Possibly. Outnumbered and outgunned by America? Definitely.

Oh dear. I think you clearly put something about us "stupid" Brits not realising that "size doesn't matter, it's what you do with it." I think I smell a hypocrite



Your so called British heroic tales don't impress me. So many things happen in the Iraqi war, "heroism" is such a relative thing. I don't know the stories but I'll be damned if Americans didn't do such heroic things. Don't forget you're fighting civil militia's, try doing a bayonet charge versus American soldiers.


Thats allright, your bitter and pathetic argument doesnt impress me. As I recall, our troops don't seem to be dying in such appaling quantities as American troops against similar foes. After all, it was America's invasion and most british people opposed it actually. I suppose you'll be the one to tell soldiers who risked their own lives to save others that your particular views on gallantry rule them out?



Face it, you can never override me with your pseudo-patriotic arguments. You're not a true patriot, it's just attention seeking armchair patriotism. "Look we are British look at our history we are so good look at our navy look at us." True patriotism isn't about flagwaving all day long or constantly chanting how cool your nation is.

Perhaps not in your mind. But instead I shall choose to ignore you. If you recall, you came onto this thread quite maliciously, demonstrating your own stupidity in a public sense. For this, I congratulate you, as it has made the task of disliking you so much easier. Pride is something which makes a nation. When a nation loathes itself, as you would have us do, it is useless. Perhaps you should see what real contributions Britain has made throughout the past. Then consider your own contributions to this thread and watch as they pale in comparison. I would tell you to grow up, but I fear that you may already be an adult and it may be too late for remedy.


A real one fights a political battle with words for change for the betterment of all people without socialist, racist or any other left-right political motives, they fight for their country and what's best for it. The other kind fights for the people, and is genuinely willing* to die for his country. The people who fought in the American or French revolution are patriots, not a few people leeching flags and images of ships.

*With willing I mean it literally, not the army rhethoric: "calculated risk of dying and living with it when doing your job" kind of thing.

Can I suggest you put your words into action and go and die for your country now? You do not know anyone on this forum and clearly do not know anything either. Your ignorance is not only a flaw in you, but an underlying theme. Your arguments have been inconsistant throughout this thread, apparently fuelled by your own numerous prejudices, and your poor grasp of international politics, as well as your insensitivity, show you to be little more than you clearly are, leaving me to conclude that your cause would be more greatly served if you consulted some sort of medical professional.

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brilliant
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Brilliant, i take my hat off to you sir. :)

Hear, hear Carops!

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Brilliant, i take my hat off to you sir. :)

Why thankyou. I just hope our "friend" returns with yet another refreshing dose of enlightenment for us all.

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Why thankyou.

quite allright you deserve it...oh and i see praetonia has returned, good

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Why thankyou. I just hope our "friend" returns with yet another refreshing dose of enlightenment for us all.

i am quite sure wthat both you and praetonia combined with my cheerleading will bowl him over fore six once again..i mean ..the cheek of it!


now if you will excuse me i am listening to elgars nimrod :D

Well said Carops. You said everything that I was thinking, in a manner about 337,000 times as erudite as I could manage.

Agreed.

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Agreed.

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..it is a very nice lion isnt it...

God grant that Marshall Wade
May by thy might aid
Victory bring!
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God Save the Queen!

Why can't England sing that at sports fixtures :P

God grant that Marshall Wade
May by thy might aid
Victory bring!
May he sedition hush
And like a torrent rush
Rebellious Scots to crush
God Save the Queen!

Why can't England sing that at sports fixtures :P

that was one of the versus we had to drop wasnt it?..shame..

Well goodnight fellow britons...

Well goodnight fellow britons...

Tallyho!

...Any time soon about 59 enraged Yank patriots are going to post on this thread...hmm...remmeber kids..we dont want to upset the colonials..!

You're funny, I like you.

And to the Americans that are complaining about this thread: The people of Great Britain, and ALL subjects of Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, be they in Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Jersey, Montserrat, Pitcairn Island, Saint Helena and Dependencies, Turks and Caicos Islands, Antigua and Barbuda, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, Jamiaca, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, or Tuvalu, have every right to have a thread about Britain and her Queen, and so you have no reason to complain. If a thread about Britain doesn't interest you, then go and look at another one.

You're funny, I like you.

And to the Americans that are complaining about this thread: The people of Great Britain, and ALL subjects of Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, be they in Britain, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Anguilla, Bermuda, British Virgin Islands, Cayman Islands, Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Guernsey, Isle of Man, Jersey, Montserrat, Pitcairn Island, Saint Helena and Dependencies, Turks and Caicos Islands, Antigua and Barbuda, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belize, Grenada, Jamiaca, St. Kitts and Nevis, St. Lucia, St. Vincent and the Grenadines, Solomon Islands, or Tuvalu, have every right to have a thread about Britain and her Queen, and so you have no reason to complain. If a thread about Britain doesn't interest you, then go and look at another one.

Well said!

I think if there was a poll about whether people trusted The Queen or George Bush more, I think we can guess who'd win...

Afterall, think about it this way: nice old lady vs. man with oil running in his veins... who's gonna win?

..it is a very nice lion isnt it...

Pity that the English hunted them to extinction a couple of thousand years ago in their green and pleasent land though.

I think if there was a poll about whether people trusted The Queen or George Bush more,


Hmm, you may have just given me an idea :p

Since there are so many Britons on this board, I thought it might be a good point to ask what you chaps think of Australia nowadays? I've been to Great Britain (and it is Great) and always found myself welcomed, but some friends have told me that they didn't quite get the same reception.

So what do you think about Australia (and Australians)?
And let's try not to let the cricket influence our thoughts too much.

I like the British,but the history of the empire,for the most part, is not glorious.Its the story of how a nation used its power to force others into submission.Ive always thought it should be a source of shame,not pride.

Is it a bad thing if these pictures make me excited?
Sexy Sexy Submarines (http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/content.php3?page=670&gmode=quick&cat=22)
Carriers and Assault Ships (http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/content.php3?page=670&gmode=quick&cat=69)
Pax Britannia
The British Empire was one built on prosperity, trade and brought civilisation to many dark corners of the world, and one in which the true strength of the Empire - the British People -was shown to be far beyond the population of the time. The achievements of British scholars and scientists are innumerable, and the fact that our people fought so many wars against tyrants from the continent and have held them back since 1066 is a tribute to the skills and steadfastness of the Britons.

I still am having difficulty in understanding why people are so against colonialism in the past. Colonialism (or imperialism or whatever you want to call it) has been a working system that suited the world previous to the second world war. The Romans, The Persians, The Chinese, the Khmer, The Mongols, The Aztecs, The Zulus, pretty much every peoples on Earth, at various times had an Empire.

I understand that with the rise in world population and the rise in nationalism and recognition of human rights, that the system of colonialism isn't quite right for the system of government. However we can recognise the rich history of various people and the achievements that their civilisations made.

Great empires are not maintained by timidity
Tacitus

The achievements of British scholars and scientists are innumerable, and the fact that our people fought so many wars against tyrants from the continent and have held them back since 1066 is a tribute to the skills and steadfastness of the Britons.

1688?

Wasn't William of Orange basically invited over to Britain to rule since James was a catholic and had a catholic heir and the majority of England consisted of moderate protestants? Hardly counts as failing to hold back a foreign invader.

Is it a bad thing if these pictures make me excited?
Sexy Sexy Submarines (http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/content.php3?page=670&gmode=quick&cat=22)
Carriers and Assault Ships (http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/rn/content.php3?page=670&gmode=quick&cat=69)
Pax Britannia
The British Empire was one built on prosperity, trade and brought civilisation to many dark corners of the world, and one in which the true strength of the Empire - the British People -was shown to be far beyond the population of the time. The achievements of British scholars and scientists are innumerable, and the fact that our people fought so many wars against tyrants from the continent and have held them back since 1066 is a tribute to the skills and steadfastness of the Britons.

I still am having difficulty in understanding why people are so against colonialism in the past. Colonialism (or imperialism or whatever you want to call it) has been a working system that suited the world previous to the second world war. The Romans, The Persians, The Chinese, the Khmer, The Mongols, The Aztecs, The Zulus, pretty much every peoples on Earth, at various times had an Empire.

I understand that with the rise in world population and the rise in nationalism and recognition of human rights, that the system of colonialism isn't quite right for the system of government. However we can recognise the rich history of various people and the achievements that their civilisations made.

Great empires are not maintained by timidity
Tacitus

alright,you make a fair point.Britain does have a long list of impressive achievements.youre proud of that,and i respect that.But at the same time,youv got to remember that a lot that age is looked on with rose tinted glasses.Civilizing a conquered people usually meant forcing them to accept British law,religion,language,culture and was never welcomed.When you look at africa,parts of asia,northern ireland,you can see the legacy left behind - hatred,poverty,division.Colonialism was not a good thing.It brought predjudice,exploitation and the destruction of many old and noble ways of life.As youv said,all nations tend to act in their own interests,but theres no point trying to justify something that is plainly wrong.I am Irish,and I know my country's history.You should know yours.

alright,you make a fair point.Britain does have a long list of impressive achievements.youre proud of that,and i respect that.But at the same time,youv got to remember that a lot that age is looked on with rose tinted glasses.Civilizing a conquered people usually meant forcing them to accept British law,religion,language,culture and was never welcomed.When you look at africa,parts of asia,northern ireland,you can see the legacy left behind - hatred,poverty,division.Colonialism was not a good thing.It brought predjudice,exploitation and the destruction of many old and noble ways of life.As youv said,all nations tend to act in their own interests,but theres no point trying to justify something that is plainly wrong.I am Irish,and I know my country's history.You should know yours.

The British Empire, was, like all political systems ever designed and managed by human beings, flawed. However, the fact that it was far less flawed than any of its European rivals is one that I am proud of. It was the British Empire which outlawed international slavery and forced its will upon the world. Although Britain has committed mistakes in the past, we have always tried to rectify them, something which highlights a nobility of spirit deep in the hearts of many British people
Earlier in this thread someone pointed out that we created the first concentration camps. We created concentration camps as nothing more than that, places to concentrate people, in order to end a brutal and horrifc war. We did not, as Im sure many of you will know, gas and torment the inhabitants, although many died from diseases the British Army could not prevent.
I would like to point out, although I'm sure you will disagree, that British Law is perhaps the best in the world and a standard by which the rest of the world can set their own. The implementation of this system throughout the British Empire has allowed countries to have a working legal apparatus for justice and fair-play, two of the defining characteristics of our empire.
Also much of the hatred, poverty etc. of which you speak has no link to the British Empire. The Empire did a great deal towards improving many areas, although they have declined since the end of British rule. In fact, British rule did keep stability in many areas, preventing the ethnic wars that we now see flaring up again.
It was directly Britain that created the Far Eastern trading centres of Singapore, Hong Kong etc. It was the British Empire which fought (at some points alone) against fascism and racist prejudice. Can Ireland and her government of the day claim to have stood up to Hitler? Of course our empire had its problems and made its mistakes. But as you said, some people look back with a certain fondness at the empire today. That is not because, whether you agree or not, that we are looking through "rose tinted glasses." It is because it actually was a lot better than a lot of what we have today.
So in conclusion, I know my country's history too. I also know your country's history, and although I do not wish to cause an argument, If you rub away your biased ideas upon the empire you will find that it is not "plainly wrong" as you so bluntly put it, but something that was subject to the mistakes of humanity, as everyone and everything upon this planet is. Perhaps if you consider this, you may be able to find a little praise for it in the future.

well ozzy has never done anything badly to upset me in the past few years so id gladly sid an drink a brew there the natives seem fine realy the only thing that worrys me is a funnleweb hiding in the ermmm ''dunnie'' id hate to be upstanding while dieing becouse an arachinid decided that my member was probing too far into the rim!! so i do hope this clears up ur question arvensis ur basicaly an have an eye stunning country but there is nothing better than using ones own lavatory in the safety of ol blighty!!

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*reads the thread, re-reads it*
Um... when did British and Americans start fighting the American Revolution War again?

*reads the thread, re-reads it*
Um... when did British and Americans start fighting the American Revolution War again?
1775 IIRC.

*Ahem*

With regards to the empire. It varied- majorly.

In India it was never that bad (apart from retarding economic growth and sticking it with a load of pointless beaurocracy). That was why they managed to rule the whole place with a couple of thousand officers.

Which is why it was pretty easy for them to achieve independence when they chose :cool:

But in some places in Africa :cough: Rhodesia :cough: South Africa, it was atrocious.

- we love Aussies, they serve us drinks and teach our children:D

*Ahem*

With regards to the empire. It varied- majorly.

In India it was never that bad (apart from retarding economic growth and sticking it with a load of pointless beaurocracy). That was why they managed to rule the whole place with a couple of thousand officers.

Which is why it was pretty easy for them to achieve independence when they chose :cool:

But in some places in Africa :cough: Rhodesia :cough: South Africa, it was atrocious.

- we love Aussies, they serve us drinks and teach our children:D


If in referring to Rhodesia and South Africa, you're making a point about apartheid or the Rhodesian government's determination to cling to power when it represented 1 per cent of its population, I think you'll find neither of these things is directly attributable to the empire. In the case of Rhodesia, it was Britain's attempts to create more equality between black and white, and giving more power to the black majority that lead to Ian Smith and co braking off to form their own state and ruling in this manner. Britain, if you actually look at history here, tried to resolve the problems of South Africa and Rhodesia on numerous occasions. Although there were disgraces to the empire, there were such incidents with every empire of the time, the majority of which were far worse than those committed by Britain.
Also I hope that cough of yours doesn't get any more serious and silence you in future.

hi folks me again!
ive had a breif looky at the thread since my spouting off and its sad to see people still argueing about history the simple thing is it IS history and no matter what we do we will never change it im proud to be what i am as i know and gratefully respect all of you are.
thrugh the power of this great tool the internet we can pass on veiws on others let us not pass on the seeds of hate it leads to stress an that leads to aww sod it i feel like yoda doing the explining u all know the drill peeps!.
salute 1 flag then salute them all people have died and fight still for them while we live in the safety of our homes.