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who do you think is the best modern QB. None of the older ones but modern ones. I will post my op l8er so it influences no1

a what?

It has to do with American football

What on earth is a QB? A brand name for tampons? A pill that will turn your fingernails pink? A satelite dish?

a what?
quite. what?

Quarterback? Rugby's better. *"Debate" rages on*

oohhhhh quarter back!

i dont follow football

Bump fine my pic is Tom Brady yeah thats right im a patriots fan, deal

Jesus didn't play football you know. He preferred soccer.

No no no your thinking jebus, Jesus prefered tag

How modern is "modern"? Last 5 years? 10? 25?

Jesus didn't play football you know. He preferred soccer.

He could water-ski with the best of them though

How modern is "modern"? Last 5 years? 10? 25?past 5 years since the year 2000

past 5 years since the year 2000

Tom Brady. Stats are meaningless; championships are all that matters. Any athlete in a team sport will tell you that. And Brady has three of them in the past five years.

Tom Brady. Stats are meaningless; championships are all that matters. Any athlete in a team sport will tell you that. And Brady has three of them in the past five years.is it 3 or 4 cause i cant remember what years was it he won?

is it 3 or 4 cause i cant remember what years was it he won?

They won in 2001-2002, 2003-2004, and 2004-2005.

I absolutely hate Brady. He's an ass. The pats are fine, but Brady sucks. Seeing as how I'm from Wisconsin, any self-respecting football fan should know who my first pick would be. So I'll go with my second: Michael Vick. I used to hate him, but I think he'll really do good this year . . . I'm hoping *looks over at his fantasy team* he better. Well, Roethlisburger is really good, too. I'm hoping this year is even better for him than last year was.

I absolutely hate Brady. He's an ass. The pats are fine, but Brady sucks. Seeing as how I'm from Wisconsin, any self-respecting football fan should know who my first pick would be. So I'll go with my second: Michael Vick. I used to hate him, but I think he'll really do good this year . . . I'm hoping *looks over at his fantasy team* he better. Well, Roethlisburger is really good, too. I'm hoping this year is even better for him than last year was.

Roethlisburger and Vick were garbage last year in fantasy football. Neither of them were particularly impressive, stat-wise. I had them both, as well as Brady. Brady was my only consistent performer. I could never know whether Roethlisburger or Vick would be decent or whether they'd get sacked six times and picked off twice.

Keanu Reaves or Adam Sandler. *nods*

Brady is amazing, but I should point out the incredible season that Ben Roethlisberger had last year. If he stays healthy, I guarantee he will be one of the all-time greats.
Of course, as you can guess from my handle, I'm biased.

What on earth is a QB? A brand name for tampons? A pill that will turn your fingernails pink? A satelite dish?www.QB.com

What does modern mean? I don't know of any quarterbacks from ancient times.

The best quarterback currently is probably Peyton Manning, although he needs to perform in the playoffs to get the real credit. So maybe I should say Tom Brady.

As for my favorite, Michael Vick. Although sometimes I think he'd make a better running back than a quarterback.

You have never heard of the older QB's?

You have never heard of the older QB's?
No, I mean the way people use "modern" is silly to me because I was trained in history and "modern" generally means, at latest, the turn of the century. Generally, "modern" begins with the renaissance. It's just a pet peeve of mine, actually, and it's silly.

But I'm not clear what "modern" means in this context. Is Joe Montana modern? Because if he is I would pick him.

No, I mean the way people use "modern" is silly to me because I was trained in history and "modern" generally means, at latest, the turn of the century. Generally, "modern" begins with the renaissance. It's just a pet peeve of mine, actually, and it's silly.

But I'm not clear what "modern" means in this context. Is Joe Montana modern? Because if he is I would pick him.

I believe he was referring to modern in terms of the history of football, not the history of humanity. However, he said his definition of "modern" was in the past five years, so the question really is, "Who do you think is the best quarterback of the past five years?"

Keanu Reaves or Adam Sandler. *nods*
Whatever Needle Dick

Johny Unitus(sp)

As long as noone says Tom Brady.

I believe he was referring to modern in terms of the history of football, not the history of humanity. However, he said his definition of "modern" was in the past five years, so the question really is, "Who do you think is the best quarterback of the past five years?"
Oh. I guess I should read this shit a little closer.

Oh. I guess I should read this shit a little closer.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9381827&postcount=13

No worries. You see, I didn't have any idea either, so I asked.

In that case Flair McNair!

past 5 years since the year 2000

Ben Rothlesburger! :D

Troy Aikman was not the Best...
He was the best of the class of QBs that came after the Marino-Elway class.
You're right. He was THE best of his time.

*trasfered*

Troy Aikman was not the Best...



*trasfered*

Who was the best, then?

Who was the best, then?at least 40 QBs better than him...

Including Favre, Brady, Vick, Elway, Marino, Bradshaw, Montana, Young, McNabb, McNair, etc etc etc...

Aikman played on a Dream team...any good QB can look great on that once-in-a-lifetime Team...

he was not the Best...not even close.

at least 40 QBs better than him...

Including Favre, Brady, Vick, Elway, Marino, Bradshaw, Montana, Young, McNabb, McNair, etc etc etc...

Aikman played on a Dream team...any good QB can look great on that once-in-a-lifetime Team...

he was not the Best...not even close.

In that case then you need to scratch half of those names off of your list since they were technically dream teams as well. Except Vick. Vick doesn't have a dream team but Favre, Elway, Marino, Bradshaw, Montana, young, McNabb, McNair all have stars that they can rely on so you have to scratch them off of your list.

In that case then you need to scratch half of those names off of your list since they were technically dream teams as well. Except Vick. Vick doesn't have a dream team but Favre, Elway, Marino, Bradshaw, Montana, young, McNabb, McNair all have stars that they can rely on so you have to scratch them off of your list.indeed ....
If I was a NFL owner and...
If I could have any QB for the same price/salary.
If I could choose any QB to start a francise around him...
It would have been a tough Choice 4 years ago...
Not anymore...Its an ez pick.

http://www.21cent.net/vick/vicksamplepic4.jpg
I want the man with an S on his Jersey...

indeed ....
If I was a NFL owner and...
If I could have any QB for the same price/salary.
If I could choose any QB to start a francise around him...
It would have been a tough Choice 4 years ago...
Not anymore...Its an ez pick.

I would Choose Michael Vick.

I'd still take Aikman over Vick any day of the week.

Peyton Manning. no doubt

I'd still take Aikman over Vick any day of the week.Well...you also voted for Bush didnt you?

:D :D pwned :D

Well...you also voted for Bush didnt you?

What? Because I said I'd take Aikman over your boy Vick, you have to drag the election up? Sorry but I'm going to ignore the election line.

You have proof that vick is better than aikman, present it.

You have proof that vick is better than aikman, present it.No I dont have any Proof...I dont have any Proof that Bush sux...and I dont have any proof that the sky is blue...

my car is red...But Im not planning to present any Proof either.

I'd have to say Peyton Manning or Marcus Vick. Peyton Manning doesn't really have a "modern" style though. He's a classic quarterback in my opinion. Marcus Vick is bringing a more modern style to the game and doing it well.

No I dont have any Proof...I dont have any Proof that Bush sux...and I dont have any proof that the sky is blue...

my car is red...But Im not planning to present any Proof either.

Then why do you think that Vick is better than Aikman?

Sorry but I'm going to ignore the election line.
See you can be smart when you really want :D

I'd have to say Peyton Manning or Marcus Vick. Peyton Manning doesn't really have a "modern" style though. He's a classic quarterback in my opinion. Marcus Vick is bringing a more modern style to the game and doing it well.

Payton is good and definitely better than Vick. Vick however has been constently injured and is always running the ball. He'll make a good rb but as a qb he isn't that good.

See you can be smart when you really want :D

I already know how smart I am. However, what you stated regarding the elections has no use in this thread and that is why I ignored it.

Then why do you think that Vick is better than Aikman?I already explained why Aikman was not Great...

You explained why Vick was better than many history Greats...

Read your own Posts for Crying out Loud!!!...

Don't play the Multiple personality scenario on me...
or did someone steal you password? :D

I already explained why Aikman was not Great...

You explained why Vick was better than many history Greats...

Read your own Posts for Crying out Loud!!!...

or did someone steal you password? :D

Actually, Elway is 10X better than Vick and Elway is considered one of the best QBs ever. Up there with Unitas. Vick isn't even close to it. He's not even among the greatest ever. If he sticks to being a Running Back, he'll be one of the best rb in the game. As it is, he's the best running qb but that is about it.

Actually, Elway is 10X better than Vick and Elway is considered one of the best QBs ever. Up there with Unitas. Vick isn't even close to it. He's not even among the greatest ever. If he sticks to being a Running Back, he'll be one of the best rb in the game. As it is, he's the best running qb but that is about it.Elway was Great indeed...

But if TD did not Show up in Denver when it counted... saving the last shots of his career...Elway would have been remembered as Jim-Kelly....a Big Time choker.


http://wildcat.arizona.edu/papers/92/147/16_1_m.html
After three ugly Super Bowl losses early in his career, Elway began to wonder if he would ever get another opportunity.

But thanks to a dynamic running game designed around Davis, Denver went to two straight Super Bowls and won them both.

Elway was Great indeed...

But if TD did not Show up in Denver when it counted... saving the last shots of his career...Elway would have been remembered as Jim-Kelly....a Big Time choker.

Actually..... no. He supplied a running game yes but Denver already had that. How else did he lead Denver to 3 super bowls before TD showed up? Granted they lost all three but look who was on the teams they lost too.

And come on... who doesn't love a 98 yd drive with no timeouts and time running out and scoring before time ran out?

Actually..... no. He supplied a running game yes but Denver already had that. How else did he lead Denver to 3 super bowls before TD showed up? Granted they lost all three but look who was on the teams they lost too.

And come on... who doesn't love a 98 yd drive with no timeouts and time running out and scoring before time ran out?BuffaloBills had the greatest come back ever...but who remebers them for that?

BuffaloBills had the greatest come back ever...but who remebers them for that?

I do but Elway had the longest drive ever and by the greatest 4th quarter comeback qb ever in the game.

Actually..... no. He supplied a running game yes but Denver already had that. How else did he lead Denver to 3 super bowls before TD showed up? Granted they lost all three but look who was on the teams they lost too.(outside Bufalo) NFL fans do say "WOW...what a great team they made it 4 times to the SB"....Do they?
BTW I am not a regular NFL fan...so yes I do think that Bills team was a great team...

Payton is good and definitely better than Vick. Vick however has been constently injured and is always running the ball. He'll make a good rb but as a qb he isn't that good.
I would not say Manning is definitely better than Vick. I would not say Vick is definitely better than Manning. They have different styles (as I mentioned in my post).

Who cares if Vick is "always running the ball"? If that is what it takes to get your team down the field (because no one is open), then Vick is an excellent quarterback for having the balls to make that decision and make that play and gain those yards. You CAN NOT judge a quarterback by his ability to throw the ball, and by that ability alone. Quarterback is THE most mental position on the field. You have to judge quarterbacks by more than just their physical ability.

(outside Bufalo) NFL fans do say "WOW...what a great team they made it 4 times to the SB"....Do they?
BTW I am not a regular NFL fan...so yes I do think that Bills team was a great team...

WOW! Denver didn't lose 4 straight superbowls. They had breaks inbetween their loses and they were also going up against some of the best players at the time.

It was apleasure...but nature is calling...

loging off...
Ill be back

I would not say Manning is definitely better than Vick. I would not say Vick is definitely better than Manning. They have different styles (as I mentioned in my post).

And I granted you that :D

Who cares if Vick is "always running the ball"? If that is what it takes to get your team down the field (because no one is open), then Vick is an excellent quarterback for having the balls to make that decision and make that play and gain those yards. You CAN NOT judge a quarterback by his ability to throw the ball, and by that ability alone. Quarterback is THE most mental position on the field. You have to judge quarterbacks by more than just their physical ability.

You don't win games by constently running the ball with your QB. That is a very good way to get your QB hurt if he doesn't see a lineman coming. More than one QB has been knocked out like that.

WOW! Denver didn't lose 4 straight superbowls. They had breaks inbetween their loses and they were also going up against some of the best players at the time.I wrote Buffalo not Denver...

But without TD...Denver could have been remembered like Buffalo...

and Elway talked about...as much as Kelly.

You don't win games by constently running the ball with your QB. That is a very good way to get your QB hurt if he doesn't see a lineman coming. More than one QB has been knocked out like that.
When the Arkansas Razorbacks when 8-3 two years in a row (I know this is college football...but hear me out), their leading rusher was Matt Jones.

Last year, with Matt Jones at senior, (he was the only returning offensive starter), he was still the leading rusher (broke the SEC record for rushing yards by a quarterback, and I think the yards per rush by a QB record) although with no returning starters the team only went 5-6.

Throughout those three years, a lot of the wins happened because Matt Jones looked downfield, saw that no one was open, and instead of throwing an interception, took off downfield for whatever yardage he could gain. And just as a note, Matt Jones did not miss a single game due to injury. He came out in the second half of one game during his senior year, but that was all he missed due to injury.

It's that kind of decision making that you need in a quarterback, and Vick can make those kind of decisions and is athletic enough to make those kind of runs. Line Vick up with some better recievers (or maybe just better routes) and you'd probably see him running less.

You don't win games by constently running the ball with your QB. That is a very good way to get your QB hurt if he doesn't see a lineman coming. More than one QB has been knocked out like that.Vick has been hurt more while trying to stay in the Pocket than when taking off...

Lets face it the Atlanta O-line Air-Protection is not as Great as Indy...

Indy has the Best O-line for a Trowing QB.

Just like Marino and Aikman used to have.

I think that Atlanta should start running the Option.

It's that kind of decision making that you need in a quarterback, and Vick can make those kind of decisions and is athletic enough to make those kind of runs. Line Vick up with some better recievers (or maybe just better routes) and you'd probably see him running less.

Vick bails out on his routs and starts running way too soon. He need to learn how to stay in the pocket and actually throw the ball.

An offensive line wouldn't hurt, either.

Tom Brady is a very good SYSTEM quarterback. He's the most over-rated quarterback since Dan Marino!

Best QB is football is a tough question. Manning is probably as good as it gets, though both him and McNabb, the two best QBs in football, are choke artists in the playoffs.

Tom Brady is a very good SYSTEM quarterback. He's the most over-rated quarterback since Dan Marino!

I have to call bull crap here.

Best QB is football is a tough question. Manning is probably as good as it gets, though both him and McNabb, the two best QBs in football, are choke artists in the playoffs.

I'd take Manning over McNabb anyday of the week. Watch out for the Steeler's QB though. :D

Watch out for the Steeler's QB though. :D
Yinz better believe it!

I think that Atlanta should start running the Option.
No kidding! That would fit Vick perfectly.

Yinz better believe it!

Yinz better get ahtta here if ya think Ben Roethlisberger's not da man!

:D

Yinz better get ahtta here if ya think Ben Roethlisberger's not da man!

:D

*dives under the table to get away from the pittsburghese that he hates so much*

:D

I have to call bull crap here.

Oh? Give me one reason he's so good. Put him on another tweny-something teams in football, and he'd never even get mentioned here.



I'd take Manning over McNabb anyday of the week. Watch out for the Steeler's QB though. :D

Big Ben has alot of talent, but I'm not ready to put him up here until he's proven himself. And while I'll agree Manning is probably better than McNabb, they're not nearly as far apart as you seem to think.

Oh? Give me one reason he's so good. Put him on another tweny-something teams in football, and he'd never even get mentioned here.

I disagree. Put him on any other team and he'll get mentioned just as many times but tacked on to the fact that those 20 something other teams don't have as strong a receiving corp. I think he should've went to Denver. Now they have receivers :D

Big Ben has alot of talent, but I'm not ready to put him up here until he's proven himself. And while I'll agree Manning is probably better than McNabb, they're not nearly as far apart as you seem to think.

I agree on Ben but winning what, 15 straight before losing to the Pats in the AFC Title game? That says alot.

It does say alot. I happen to like Ben, I just don't feel he should be put on this list until he's had at least a full season of excellence under his belt.

It does say alot. I happen to like Ben, I just don't feel he should be put on this list until he's had at least a full season of excellence under his belt.

Want to get technical, he does have a full season of excellence under his belt :D