NationStates Jolt Archive

Now hear me out, I am a Canadian and a nationalist too. But the Canadian government is no more independent from USA then the Poland Communist Party was independent from the USSR in 1945. Has anyone heard of the most recent Marc Emery story? He is being convicted of selling marijuana seeds over the internet (legal in Canada), but because some Americans bought his product the DEA wants to convict him like an American drug dealer, and the Canadian authorities are saying a-okay.

Source: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122667113835_118076313

How is it that homosexuals can get their laws passed (same-sex marriage) when they make up less then 5 percent of the population, yet pot smokers can't get marijuana legalized and they make up 10 percent? Sometimes I'm ashamed of this country.

Yes, what kind of cruel country will let the evil homosexuals live together but wont let the honest, hard-working stoners live in peace.[/sarcasm]



Edit: By the way, just because the US busted a drug dealer doesn't make Canada a 51st state nor a satillite state.

You think pot smokers only make up 10% of the population? I'd question that, and bump it up to at least 33%!

But frick that...Martin's more of a suck up than Chretien, but we are NOT the 51st state. This particular case is pretty stupid...but so was the Maher Arar case, and frankly, I'd take being deported by the Americans to Syria and being tortured much more seriously than this.

Now hear me out, I am a Canadian and a nationalist too. But the Canadian government is no more independent from USA then the Poland Communist Party was independent from the USSR in 1945. Has anyone heard of the most recent Marc Emery story? He is being convicted of selling marijuana seeds over the internet (legal in Canada), but because some Americans bought his product the DEA wants to convict him like an American drug dealer, and the Canadian authorities are saying a-okay.

Source: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122667113835_118076313

How is it that homosexuals can get their laws passed (same-sex marriage) when they make up less then 5 percent of the population, yet pot smokers can't get marijuana legalized and they make up 10 percent? Sometimes I'm ashamed of this country.
Because it's illegal to sell mari seeds in the US. It's his job to be aware of the laws where he sells. He should have refused to sell to this US guy.

All he has to do is put a disclaimer on his site that says "void where prohibited" or somesuch.

I thought that honour went to Australia? :)

I'm still waiting for the day when Iraq becomes the 51st state. Hey, they did it to Hawaii... <_<

Now hear me out, I am a Canadian and a nationalist too. But the Canadian government is no more independent from USA then the Poland Communist Party was independent from the USSR in 1945. Has anyone heard of the most recent Marc Emery story? He is being convicted of selling marijuana seeds over the internet (legal in Canada), but because some Americans bought his product the DEA wants to convict him like an American drug dealer, and the Canadian authorities are saying a-okay.
Well, he should have been smart enough not to sell accross the border...

I somehow get the feeling that selling something that is legal in one country to citizens of another country, where it is illegal to sell that product is a bit of a problem.

And this doesn't make us the 51st state.

I somehow get the feeling that selling something that is legal in one country to citizens of another country, where it is illegal to sell that product is a bit of a problem.


I figure it's up to the people in the US to know their purchase is illegal, and risk the consequences.

51st State? Hell no! An ALLIANCE! The American/Canadian Union (A.C.U)

We would be UNSTOPABLE!!!

51st State? Hell no! An ALLIANCE! The American/Canadian Union (A.C.U)

We would be UNSTOPABLE!!!

I can only speak for this Canadian, but I think I'll pass. Thanks!

Something tells me I'm in the majority too.. ;)

I can only speak for this Canadian, but I think I'll pass. Thanks!

Something tells me I'm in the majority too.. ;)

...Sigh...

Would you at least like to join us for a slice of pizza down at the North End?

...Sigh...

Would you at least like to join us for a slice of pizza down at the North End?

Now that we might be able to arrange. :)

Now that we might be able to arrange. :)

I'll make reservations at Pizzaria Regina.

What's the Canadian population? I'm gonna need alot right?

I'll make reservations at Pizzaria Regina.

What's the Canadian population? I'm gonna need alot right?

Nah, it's not that much, we only have about 32/33 million people at the moment. Go for the two for one special.. it will be much cheaper. hehe

No, Canada is not a state. It's too big. The former Canadian provinces (Ontario, Yukon, Quebec, etc.) will become states. :rolleyes:

No, Canada is not a state. It's too big. The former Canadian provinces (Ontario, Yukon, Quebec, etc.) will become states. :rolleyes:
Ahh!! It's Unfalliable logic, RUN!!! He he he, just had to get that out of my system.

My friends in Canada would be quite startled by this news.

Because it's illegal to sell mari seeds in the US. It's his job to be aware of the laws where he sells. He should have refused to sell to this US guy.

All he has to do is put a disclaimer on his site that says "void where prohibited" or somesuch.
Exactly.

Besides, let's just SUPPOSE that in Mexico, you could legally sell explosives over the Internet and then ship them through the mail (this is all hypothetical, I don't even know that there are Mexican websites...). Now let's suppose a Texan purchased this explosive. Yes, I understand there's a difference between pot and C4, but is America not a soveriegn nation with her sovereign laws? Remember, this is a hypothetical situation in which this would be legal in Mexico.

Does the American federal government not have the right, nay, the obligation to protect its citizens from materials that have been, by the American government, deemed dangerous?

It would be a different story if the guy sold it to an American over the Internet, but the American went to Canada to pick it up or something...but so far as I can tell, he is sending the marijuana to America, and in my opinion, that's where America has the right to step in.

From the article it sounds like there is more to the story, it seems like he was conducting other "activities" in the U.S. beyond the simple selling of seeds over the internet. I'm not worried.
...as I can tell, he is sending the marijuana to America, and in my opinion, that's where America has the right to step in.
Ah but, it may be America's right to intercept the shipment at the border, or raid the purchaser, but I'm not sure they should have the right to prosecute the seller in another country. It is not the vendor's responsibility to investigate the legal status of foreign purchasers.

For example, in Canada one must be 19 to drink alcohol. We get scads of American kids coming up here to party because at home they cannot drink until they are 21. Should American authorities be able to sue us for selling liquor to American minors because it is illegal for them to purchase it in the U.S.? And if you are selling over the internet, how do you know the real age of your purchaser? Are you required as a merchant to know the laws of every nation on earth, and only fulfil orders that have been screened by your legal department?

No, I think there is a lot more to this story. The money laundering issue in particular.

Now hear me out, I am a Canadian and a nationalist too. But the Canadian government is no more independent from USA then the Poland Communist Party was independent from the USSR in 1945. Has anyone heard of the most recent Marc Emery story? He is being convicted of selling marijuana seeds over the internet (legal in Canada), but because some Americans bought his product the DEA wants to convict him like an American drug dealer, and the Canadian authorities are saying a-okay.

Source: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122667113835_118076313

How is it that homosexuals can get their laws passed (same-sex marriage) when they make up less then 5 percent of the population, yet pot smokers can't get marijuana legalized and they make up 10 percent? Sometimes I'm ashamed of this country.
1. Canada and the US have a joint co-operation process through use of the extradition treaty.

2. Selling pot seeds is legal in Canada?

3. Canada is NOT the 51st State.

4. This has nothing to do with homosexuals and tarnishes your post.

No, Canada is not a state. It's too big. The former Canadian provinces (Ontario, Yukon, Quebec, etc.) will become states. :rolleyes:

Quebec is a lot more likely to join the EU than the USA... if the EU would even consider it.

I just wonder if the US is going to start cracking down on all of the American weapons dealers that have been selling guns to Canadian criminals that are illegal in Canada but are nevertheless used in over half of gun related violence in Canada? A stronger case for the harm principle than a few frigging marijuana seeds ...

I just wish Canada and Blue America would hurry up and form a union, and leave the South to rot and regress, economically and socially, under its own devices. Oh man, that would be so cool!

I just wish Canada and Blue America would hurry up and form a union, and leave the South to rot and regress, economically and socially, under its own devices. Oh man, that would be so cool!

Time to redraw our borders:
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I thought that honour went to Australia? :)

Yeah. Get in line, Canuckida.

Now hear me out, I am a Canadian and a nationalist too. But the Canadian government is no more independent from USA then the Poland Communist Party was independent from the USSR in 1945. Has anyone heard of the most recent Marc Emery story? He is being convicted of selling marijuana seeds over the internet (legal in Canada), but because some Americans bought his product the DEA wants to convict him like an American drug dealer, and the Canadian authorities are saying a-okay.

Source: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122667113835_118076313

How is it that homosexuals can get their laws passed (same-sex marriage) when they make up less then 5 percent of the population, yet pot smokers can't get marijuana legalized and they make up 10 percent? Sometimes I'm ashamed of this country.
Yeah thats why they do all those things like legalizing gay marriage while we like dumb asses restrict our citizens freedoms [sarcasm]
Seriously they do so much from a whole different style of health care to freedoms and decisions

really maybe the us has to become another territory

Anyone know if Canada is handing over those deserters? Apparently, some people who went AWOL over Iraq are hiding in Canada, and I’m not sure if they’re being sent back or not.

not over my dead body.

I thought that honour went to Australia? :)

As an Australian...

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I'm afraid I probably have to agree here... :headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

It's quite upsetting, but there you go.

I thought that honour went to Australia? :)

Me too! I mean, don't we have "Australia- The Great Southern State" on our numberplates? :)

From the article it sounds like there is more to the story, it seems like he was conducting other "activities" in the U.S. beyond the simple selling of seeds over the internet. I'm not worried.

Ah but, it may be America's right to intercept the shipment at the border, or raid the purchaser, but I'm not sure they should have the right to prosecute the seller in another country. It is not the vendor's responsibility to investigate the legal status of foreign purchasers.

It actually is the vendor's responsibility to investigate the legal status of all purchases, foreign or not. Think selling tobacco and alcohol to minors. It is up to both parties to know the legal rammifications of the transaction


For example, in Canada one must be 19 to drink alcohol. We get scads of American kids coming up here to party because at home they cannot drink until they are 21. Should American authorities be able to sue us for selling liquor to American minors because it is illegal for them to purchase it in the U.S.? And if you are selling over the internet, how do you know the real age of your purchaser? Are you required as a merchant to know the laws of every nation on earth, and only fulfil orders that have been screened by your legal department?

No, because the transaction is taking place completely within Canadian territory where it is a legal transaction. It's only when you make international transactions that you have to concern yourself with the laws of the nation of your purchaser. And yes, if you are selling a questionable product over the internet, you should know the laws of every nation on earth, or, more reasonably, look them up before you sell to someone from another nation. If you are selling questionable material, it is the duty of both the merchant and the consumer to know the laws pertaining to the product. You cannot claim ignorance afterwards of the law. It is both people's job to know beforehand.

Of course, prosecuting someone from another country almost invariably requires the permission of the other person's government. Most nations have treaties set up allowing for commonly illegal activities (murder, rape, robbery, drug trafficking), but more questionable laws sometimes do not have treaties to deal with them, so you hear about them in the news more often. You'd never hear such a big controversy if a Canadian came to the US and murdered a bunch of people. This only gets media attention because the activity isn't a crime in Canada.

Two simple words:

Fuck Canada!

Two simple words:

Fuck Canada!

What could you possibly have against the greatest nation on the planet?

Two simple words:

Fuck Canada!

Eh! Fuck you too, buddy![/southpark]

Canadians have nothing to fear from their smaller southern neigbour :p

Two simple words:

Fuck Canada!
Must be a jealous American.

Move to Canada and be happy.

Must be a jealous American.

Move to Canada and be happy.

Jealous of Canada?

Please, stand back before America crushes you with it's giant phallus of power and military might.

I'm still waiting for the day when Iraq becomes the 51st state. Hey, they did it to Hawaii... <_<actually, Hawaii became a territory that way. then it became a State...

and if we were just a little bit faster, we would've been the 49th state and not the 50th. :rolleyes:

And not to mention most of Hawaii was owned by American farmers anyway.

Two simple words:

Fuck Canada!why? are their girls prettier?

What could you possibly have against the greatest nation on the planet?

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Whoa...you're serious?

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Whoa...you're serious?
America's military may be world's best. But when it comes to freedom and their foreign policy, think again...

Sorry, don't want to join the US for any reason. We may not have the brightest politicians around (which isn't saying much) but we ARE different from the Yanks in alot of our attitudes to things.
Besides, I just couldn't stomach having George W. as our leader............

I'm proud to be one of the 2% who isn't happy to say they are an American.

I'm not a huge fan of Canada... It's full of wannabe French people and socialism.

Now hear me out, I am a Canadian and a nationalist too. But the Canadian government is no more independent from USA then the Poland Communist Party was independent from the USSR in 1945. Has anyone heard of the most recent Marc Emery story? He is being convicted of selling marijuana seeds over the internet (legal in Canada), but because some Americans bought his product the DEA wants to convict him like an American drug dealer, and the Canadian authorities are saying a-okay.

Source: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1122667113835_118076313

How is it that homosexuals can get their laws passed (same-sex marriage) when they make up less then 5 percent of the population, yet pot smokers can't get marijuana legalized and they make up 10 percent? Sometimes I'm ashamed of this country.

America is the world police, and as such, can make anybody do pretty much anything. Besides, with such a conservative administration, did you expect any different from these 50 great states?

I think the US should just back off from Marc Emery, he's not harming anyone, arresting him isn't going to change anything. The US gov't seems to think they rule the world, well, reality to the US gov't(s), YOU DON'T! I mean, like, face it, YOU CAN'T CONTROL EVERYTHING! THAT IS (or maybe WAS) A BASIC LESSON IN LIFE! YOU LEARN IT AS A KID! And the US gov't seems to be a spoiled brat with a big army and economy that's failing more than people realise. Now, the US in general, I have met many nice americans, and laughed at the silly ones. I also laugh at jokes about canada, that are funny. And, let's face it, the US (and in fact many countries) are heavily influenced by rich CEOs. Let's say for some reason we anger the US gov't by say not letting them do a bunch of stuff they want to do, I mean like, REALLY anger them by saying NO (they are to used to YES DON'T KILL US! anyways). Anyways, for some reason they threaten a trade embargo. well, they would never carry through with that, unless they were less knowlegable than a rock, heck, not even HITLER would embargo canada if he was president of the states, as our economies are interlinked. And it would hurt the US just as much as us. Well, anyways, More than 10% of people smoke pot, atleest in BC. And I know my grammer isn't that good and I could go on and branch out into so many topics, but lets just say this: humans are natuarly capitalist and sadly easily manipulated. And would FOX please STOP twisting the truth around?

No. I'll explain later in a really long rant why they don't.

Bottom line: ratings.

It actually is the vendor's responsibility to investigate the legal status of all purchases, foreign or not. Think selling tobacco and alcohol to minors. It is up to both parties to know the legal rammifications of the transaction.
Not in Canada, it isn't. Perhaps that is true in the U.S. By agreement between Canada and the U.S., Canadian exporters are not required to report exports to the U.S. for non-controlled or non-prohibited export goods, and at present, it appears that marijuana seeds are neither. It is our responsibility to ensure that Canadian legislation does not prohibit export of our product.

And yes, if you are selling a questionable product over the internet, you should know the laws of every nation on earth, or, more reasonably, look them up before you sell to someone from another nation. If you are selling questionable material, it is the duty of both the merchant and the consumer to know the laws pertaining to the product.
What is questionable to you may not merit a second thought to someone else. Would it ever occur to you that plastic widgets might be a restricted item in Turkmenistan? Can you read Turkmen? Are plastic widgets mentioned in their official government website if you do happen to read Turkmen? No, there is a difference between "should" and "are required by law to". It is possible that the U.S. Department of Justice believes that everyone on earth should be aware of American laws, but the other 95% of the world's population probably doesn't give that opinion much credence.

Personally I think if there is an issue with a product being legal in one jurisdiction and illegal in another, then the offended government should undertake diplomatic steps to have that product put on a restricted export list in the country of origin. Trying to prosecute foreigns in their own country seems the most illogical, expensive and counterintuitive solution to the problem, and doesn't solve anything for the future. Perhaps this spurious lawsuit is just a backhanded way of doing that.

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Whoa...you're serious?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#Past_top_countries