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If you know AMERICAN football...

Trexia
05-08-2005, 15:35
Who's the best team ever?
Trexia
05-08-2005, 15:38
Mind you Europeans that I clearly put "American" so you can't complain.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 15:41
Where in the world is the other option? None of those teams are the best teams in the league.

Denver though is the best team in the league :D

Go Broncos. Win the AFC West :)
Liverbreath
05-08-2005, 15:44
Who's the best team ever?
Well you certainly left the field wide open. Given that, I would have to say it would have to be one of the teams back in the late 60's or very early 70's when there were not so many rules that the quarterback could walk onto the field in a businss suit, call 4 plays and walk off again without getting dirty. I'd have to go with the Jets, Chiefs, Dolphins or Vikings. Teams today just couldn't hang. The rules back then just were not made to provide for long carreers, but they sure ensured that only the toughest played for more than a year or two.
Eh-oh
05-08-2005, 15:49
:D 49ers!
Sarzonia
05-08-2005, 15:50
It's a hard call because there are so many differences to account for in terms of eras. The Packers of the '60s and the Steelers of the '70s were big, brawny teams for their eras if I'm not mistaken, but they'd all be grossly undersized against the Patriots, who aren't the BIGGEST team in American football.

For their era, I'd say the Steelers were probably the best team in football, though it was hard for me to go against the Green Bay Packers. The San Francisco 49ers didn't earn Team of the Eighties until late in the decade because the Washington Redskins had been to more Super Bowls after the 1987 season. Dallas earning Team of the Nineties was basically on the strength of their four year run of winning three Super Bowls. The Pats are definitely the team of the Aughties, though.
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 16:03
For my money, the early 90s Dallas Cowboys. But then, I'm sentimental about my youth.
Fass
05-08-2005, 16:05
Mind you Europeans that I clearly put "American" so you can't complain.

Yeah, well, you forgot a "Myrth" or "I'm European and I don't care about rugby for pansies" option, so there! :p
Cheese Burrito
05-08-2005, 16:14
The Packers are the greatest NFL team of all time. I'm not biased as I'm an Eagles diehard.

http://www.packers.com/history/championships/

The Green Bay Packers have won more championships - 12 - than any other team in National Football League history.

They won their first three by league standing (1929, 1930 and 1931), and nine since the NFL's playoff system was established in 1933 (1936, 1939, 1944, 1961, 1962, 1965, 1966, 1967 and 1996).

Green Bay also is the only NFL team to win three straight titles, having done it twice (1929-30-31 and 1965-66-67).

In addition, the Packers won the first two Super Bowls (over Kansas City in 1966, 35-10, and over Oakland in 1967, 33-14), as well a more recent one (over New England in 1996, 35-21).

Since the league implemented a playoff system in 1933, the Packers have played in the NFL's deciding game 12 times (10 NFL title appearances from 1936-67, two Super Bowls after the 1970 merger). Only the Giants (17) have played for more titles.

Most NFL Championships: Green Bay Packers 12, Chicago Bears 9, New York Giants 6, Dallas Cowboys 5, San Francisco 49ers 5, Washington Redskins 5, Cleveland Browns 4, Detroit Lions 4, Pittsburgh Steelers 4.
Kibolonia
05-08-2005, 16:16
I can't pick Seahawks? Ok.

Clearly, it has to be the Patriots. They created a dynasty in an era when that was supposed to be impossible. And while past teams (Steelers for example) might have been harder, the players today (while being prissy millionaires) are bigger, stronger, and faster.

Yeah, if the Patriots faced off against the Steel Curtain, with the old rules, they might look a little rough for at most a quarter. After that the atheletes of today would just outclass those of yesteryear, and dirty tricks just wouldn't be enough.
Potaria
05-08-2005, 16:36
Da Pittsburgh Stillers, you nebshit.

:P
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 17:13
Here's a better question, that will tell us if you are a REAL football fan:

What team(s) do you HATE?

For me, in order:

Redskins
Eagles
49ers
Packers

From the first three, you might be able to guess that I'm a Cowboys fan.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 17:15
Here's a better question, that will tell us if you are a REAL football fan:

What team(s) do you HATE?

For me, in order:

Redskins
Eagles
49ers
Packers

From the first three, you might be able to guess that I'm a Cowboys fan.

Teams I hate:

Oakland
San Diego
Kansas City
Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinatti
Philadelphia
Dallas
Washington
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 17:18
Teams I hate:

Oakland
San Diego
Kansas City
Cleveland
Baltimore
Cincinatti
Philadelphia
Dallas
Washington
That's quite a selection. From both conferences no less. You are truly a top shelf football fan, friend.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 17:24
That's quite a selection. From both conferences no less. You are truly a top shelf football fan, friend.

Thank you. I love Football with a passion.
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 17:27
Thank you. I love Football with a passion.
So who is your team anyway? Mine is the hated Cowboys.
Ravenshrike
05-08-2005, 17:28
Are we talking overall or best single year team? Cause best single year team either goes to the '72 Dolphins or the '85 Bears. While the '72 dolphins had the very slightly better record the '85 bears had to face off against Dan Marino.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 17:34
So who is your team anyway? Mine is the hated Cowboys.

Primary team: Denver
Secondayr Team: Pittsburgh (I live near the city)
Tertiary Team: New York Giants (only because of my dad!)
Poppuli
05-08-2005, 17:37
hahahhahahhahahahhahaha
Someone said the 49ers!!!
Might as well vote for the Detroit Lions too!!!!:rolleyes:
Frangland
05-08-2005, 17:44
Best Franchise in NFL History:

Green Bay Packers


More NFL titles than anyone: 12

They've been around since about 1920, putting them with the Bears (and Cardinals, actually, who started in Chicago) as the oldest franchises still in the National Football League.

Legendary figures:

Vince Lombardi (coach)
Curly Lambeau (player and coach)
Bart Starr
Brett Favre
Don Hutson
Jim Taylor
(and many others)

The Packers won nine NFL championships before the first Super Bowl, and three Super Bowls, which is where the 12 NFL titles comes from.

This season, the Packers should be great on offense with such weapons as:

WR - Javon Walker, Donald Driver, Robert Ferguson
RB - Ahman Green
QB - Brett Favre

The key to the Pack's success will be the play of the defense. If the D can be just average, this is a team that should win 10+ games. If the defense don't improve at least somewhat over last year's dismal performance, the Packers will struggle to make the playoffs.

What should happen: lots of high-scoring games.

Favre is one of the game's legendary quarterbacks... he's inching toward some of Marino's big all-time passing records.

But he's Favre after all -- he will have a couple of games in which he tosses 4 interceptions and sabotages the packers' chances to win. These usually happen on the road, in dome stadiums.

The Packers are the most successful team in NFL history, based on league championships. Also, the team has the best fans in the world. The waiting list for Packers season tickets is about 30 years long. lol

Wisconsin is great at making cheese (despite the claims of California. lmao. cows don't give a crap about weather. two uncles of mine are farmers and know...)... the famousness of Wisconsin cheese budded into an industry: the cheese head (hat).

You can know you're watching a Packers game if you see orange/yellow cheese wedge-shaped hats being worn by the fans in the stadium. Such fans are referred to as Cheeseheads, and the term is applied to all Packers fans (or people from Wisconsin), whether or not they don the hat.


http://www.packers.com/
Ph33rdom
05-08-2005, 17:49
hahahhahahhahahahhahaha
Someone said the 49ers!!!
Might as well vote for the Detroit Lions too!!!!:rolleyes:


What have you got against the Lions?

There's a conspiricy about the Superbowl being brought into existence, the Lions used to be in and win NFL championships, that is, until they invented the Superbowl and put a Jinx on us. I say, DOWN with the Superbowl, bring back the Championship game!

There's nothing wrong with the Lions, they rock, best uniforms, best stadium, best city, best logo and colors... You can't beat'em, that is, except in an actual football game ... :(




*goes and cries into my beer of denial.... * LMAO
FatTron
05-08-2005, 17:52
I can't stand any of those teams!! Gah! You should have put an "other" option.

GO GIANTS!
New Secundus
05-08-2005, 17:58
The Seahawks of course........*8-}

the grokdoc
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 18:03
Primary team: Denver
Secondayr Team: Pittsburgh (I live near the city)
Tertiary Team: New York Giants (only because of my dad!)
I forgot to add the Giants to the list of teams that I hate :mad:

The Broncos had the last team to win the Super Bowl that I found entertaining at all. Shame about Terrell Davis. He could have been one of the all time great running backs.
Ravenshrike
05-08-2005, 18:04
There's nothing wrong with the Lions, they rock, best uniforms, best stadium, best city, best logo and colors
Bwahahahahaha! First time I've ever heard detroit described as best city. It doesn't qualify for that name simply because of the condition of it's road system, which is one of the worst in the nation, let alone all of it's other faults.
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 18:05
What have you got against the Lions?

There's a conspiricy about the Superbowl being brought into existence, the Lions used to be in and win NFL championships, that is, until they invented the Superbowl and put a Jinx on us. I say, DOWN with the Superbowl, bring back the Championship game!

There's nothing wrong with the Lions, they rock, best uniforms, best stadium, best city, best logo and colors... You can't beat'em, that is, except in an actual football game ... :(




*goes and cries into my beer of denial.... * LMAO

The Lions have serious potential. They have the best receivers in the league right now. If those guys stay healthy and their rookie quarterback works out, they could have an impressive passing game.
Ph33rdom
05-08-2005, 18:05
Bwahahahahaha! First time I've ever heard detroit described as best city. It doesn't qualify for that name simply because of the condition of it's road system, which is one of the worst in the nation, let alone all of it's other faults.


Detroit Rocks... You groan in jealously I can tell :p
Hoberbudt
05-08-2005, 18:11
For my money, the early 90s Dallas Cowboys. But then, I'm sentimental about my youth.


They were easily the best team of all time
Trexia
05-08-2005, 18:32
But you seem to forget the greatest combination of the players. The Steel Curtain? I can't remember all of them, but there was Jack "Splat" Lambert, "Mean" Joe Greene, Jack Ham, Mel Blount, L.C. Greenwood. And what about Terry Bradshaw, Franco Harris, Lynn Swann, Mike Webster, John Stallworth, Ernie Stautner. 17 total Hall of Famers. Steelers, baby.
Botswombata
05-08-2005, 18:40
Go Vikings! Purple power rules!!!!
The Great Sixth Reich
05-08-2005, 18:41
Buffalo Bills!!! The greatest comeback in NFL history (Jan. 3, 1993)!
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 18:44
Buffalo Bills!!!

I go with The Jets before I go with the bills.
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 18:45
The 1972 Miami Dolphins.

The only perfect team in the history of the NFL.

Can't argue with perfection.
The Great Sixth Reich
05-08-2005, 18:46
I go with The Jets before I go with the bills.

The two teams I hate are the Dolphins and the Jets! ;)
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 18:52
The two teams I hate are the Dolphins and the Jets! ;)
Why doesn't that surprise me coming from a Bills fan? :p
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 18:55
Buffalo Bills!!! The greatest comeback in NFL history (Jan. 3, 1993)!
The early 90s Bills were the most tragic team ever.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 18:57
The early 90s Bills were the most tragic team ever.

Agreed. FOUR STRAIGHT SUPER BOWL LOSES? That's pathetic.
The Great Sixth Reich
05-08-2005, 19:00
Agreed. FOUR STRAIGHT SUPER BOWL LOSES? That's pathetic.

:mad:

But we still had the greatest comeback in NFL history, Jim Kelly, and OJ Simpson! :p
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 19:01
:mad:

But we still had the greatest comeback in NFL history, and Jim Kelly! :p

Sorry but losing those 4 straight games scratches out the comeback story.
Greater Googlia
05-08-2005, 19:02
Who's the best team ever?
How much do you know about the NFL? Seriously?

I'm no NFL Guru (I much prefer NCAA Football), but even I can tell that those options are horrible.

The Patriots...I'm not sure whether or not they belong there if the question is best team of all time.

I'm not sure the Cowboys fit there, maybe, I don't know.

But you when you left off the Dolphins and the Chiefs, you pretty much said "Hey, look at me! I know nothing about football before the 1990s!"
The Great Sixth Reich
05-08-2005, 19:05
Sorry but losing those 4 straight games scratches out the comeback story.

Their 32-point comeback victory remains the largest in NFL history!

Somehow I think we're never going to agree on this.... ;)
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 19:05
I'm not sure the Cowboys fit there, maybe, I don't know.


:mad:
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 19:07
Their 32-point comeback victory remains the largest in NFL history!

Somehow I think we're never going to agree on this.... ;)

No we're not going to agree and that is negated by your 4 straight losses in the Superbowl. Four IN A ROW? Jeez, you think you could win one! LOL
Eh-oh
05-08-2005, 19:07
hahahhahahhahahahhahaha
Someone said the 49ers!!!
Might as well vote for the Detroit Lions too!!!!:rolleyes:

they used to be bloody fantastic. i'm not going by today's standards...... after montana and rice left it was never the same.... :(
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 19:09
:mad:

But we still had the greatest comeback in NFL history, Jim Kelly, and OJ Simpson! :p
What makes them so tragic to me is the amount of stars they had on that team without being able to ever win a super bowl. Jim Kelly, Andre Ware, Thurman Thomas, Cornelius Benedict, etc, etc.

Of course, that was no match for Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Micheal Irvin, Charles Haley, etc. :p
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 19:41
Their 32-point comeback victory remains the largest in NFL history!

Somehow I think we're never going to agree on this.... ;)
One game does not make them the greatest team in the history of the NFL. I freak occurence is not going to cut it, sorry.

You have at least to look at which team consistently end in the playoff or with a winning record. As such, I say that the Miami Dolphins (despite last year's woes) have to be ranked up there with the Dallas Cowboys, the Green Bay Packers, the Pittsburg Steelers.

But only one team managed a perfect season.

So the Dolphins are the best team ever.
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 20:01
One game does not make them the greatest team in the history of the NFL. I freak occurence is not going to cut it, sorry.

You have at least to look at which team consistently end in the playoff or with a winning record. As such, I say that the Miami Dolphins (despite last year's woes) have to be ranked up there with the Dallas Cowboys, the Green Bay Packers, the Pittsburg Steelers.

But only one team managed a perfect season.

So the Dolphins are the best team ever.
And yet they never won a Super Bowl...
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 20:02
And yet they never won a Super Bowl...

1972 Dolphins did. Capped a perfect season.
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 20:04
1972 Dolphins did. Capped a perfect season.
Oh shit. Before my time. I guess I was thinking of the Marino era.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 20:06
EC,

the two superbowls were in '72 and '73 :D
Callipygousness
05-08-2005, 20:07
I know American football, but it's pretty impossible for me to follow it (they don't seem to broadcast it outside of the US). But I'll say Pittsburgh simply because I was born there :D
OceanDrive2
05-08-2005, 20:12
Go Vikings! Purple power rules!!!!how can they rule?...they just lost Moss.
Undelia
05-08-2005, 20:13
Screw stats and records. The Raiders rule. Period.
Why?
Silver and black, silver and black.
Besides, Raiders fans are the most… colorful of all football fans.

Teams I Heavily Dislike:
Jets
Giants
Packers
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 20:15
Screw stats and records. The Raiders rule. Period.
Why?
Silver and black, silver and black.
Besides, Raiders fans are the most… colorful of all football fans.

You haven't seen a pittsburgh game have you?

Teams I Heavily Dislike:
Jets
Giants
Packers

I'm surprised that the Chiefs and Broncos aren't on this list :D
Sdaeriji
05-08-2005, 20:18
You haven't seen a pittsburgh game have you?

I don't think anyone can compare to the Silver and Black, Corny. Sorry.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 20:20
I don't think anyone can compare to the Silver and Black, Corny. Sorry.

Actually, I can gaurentee that Pittsburgh fans will give Oakland fans a run for their ticket stubs.
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 20:37
Screw stats and records. The Raiders rule. Period.
Why?
Silver and black, silver and black.
Besides, Raiders fans are the most… colorful of all football fans.


I don't see how fans can remain loyal to a team that moves back and forth whenever they get a better offer.
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 20:42
EC,

the two superbowls were in '72 and '73 :D
Not according to Google. Also, the '72 season is capped in the superbowl who happens January '73.

That's why the wins are in '73 and '74.

Praise the almighty google for it's divine wisdom and useless trivia.
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 20:45
I know American football, but it's pretty impossible for me to follow it (they don't seem to broadcast it outside of the US). But I'll say Pittsburgh simply because I was born there :D
False. They broadcast it in Canada. ;)
Spookopolis
05-08-2005, 20:57
The early 90s Bills were the most tragic team ever.

Ha. Ha. Ha... The Bucs were/are the worst team. When did they win a superbowl again? Oh, yeah, superbowl 37. They're so good, I'm the first to mention them. It doesn't help that I live near their stadium...
Sdaeriji
05-08-2005, 20:59
Ha. Ha. Ha... The Bucs were/are the worst team. When did they win a superbowl again? Oh, yeah, superbowl 37. They're so good, I'm the first to mention them. It doesn't help that I live near their stadium...

I think we're all forgetting the New Orleans Aints.
Jah Bootie
05-08-2005, 21:04
I was just thinking of what teams have never been to a Super Bowl

Saints and Seahawks and Oilers come to mind. Anyone else? Are there any teams that have never made the playoffs?
Oak Trail
05-08-2005, 21:33
The Carolina Panthers baby!

http://www.panthers.com/default.jsp
Sdaeriji
05-08-2005, 21:35
I was just thinking of what teams have never been to a Super Bowl

Saints and Seahawks and Oilers come to mind. Anyone else? Are there any teams that have never made the playoffs?

I'm pretty sure all those teams have made the playoffs.

Cardinals, Texans, Saints, Seahawks, Jaguars have never made a Super Bowl, though, as far as I am aware.
Utracia
05-08-2005, 21:36
I love the Pats so maybe i'm biased. Given their record the past few years I think we can all be proud. Go Tom Brady!
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 21:42
Not according to Google. Also, the '72 season is capped in the superbowl who happens January '73.

That's why the wins are in '73 and '74.

Praise the almighty google for it's divine wisdom and useless trivia.

Ahhh but it was the 1972 and 1973 seasons when they won their back to back super bowls. They didn't win the 1974 super bowl!
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 21:45
Ahhh but it was the 1972 and 1973 seasons when they won their back to back super bowls. They didn't win the 1974 super bowl!
http://www.mistupid.com/sports/superbowl.htm

http://www.superbowl.com/history/recaps

I beg to differ.
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 21:47
http://www.mistupid.com/sports/superbowl.htm

http://www.superbowl.com/history/recaps

I beg to differ.

Ok then why are they called the 1972 Dolphins and not the 1973 Dolphins if they won their superbowls in 1973 and 1974? You go by the year the season started, not ended. Playoffs begin in January after the regular season ends in December.

So why aren't they called the 1973 Dolphins?
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 21:50
Ok then why are they called the 1972 Dolphins and not the 1973 Dolphins if they won their superbowls in 1973 and 1974? You go by the year the season started, not ended. Playoffs begin in January after the regular season ends in December.

So why aren't they called the 1973 Dolphins?
Because it was the '72 season. Which happened to end during the superbowl who was aired in '73. For simplicity's sake, let's call them superbowl VII and VIII if you want.

Anyways, it's a side issue. As long as we agree that the Dolphins are the best team, we're good :D
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 21:51
Because it was the '72 season. Which happened to end during the superbowl who was aired in '73. For simplicity's sake, let's call them superbowl VII and VIII if you want.

Anyways, it's a side issue. As long as we agree that the Dolphins are the best team, we're good :D

The 1972 Dolphins I'll grant. Not the 1973 Dolphins :D
East Canuck
05-08-2005, 21:53
The 1972 Dolphins I'll grant. Not the 1973 Dolphins :D
Then it's settled. :fluffle:
Crotcholia
05-08-2005, 22:00
Does anyone hate the Vikings and Broncos as much as I do??
Corneliu
05-08-2005, 22:02
Does anyone hate the Vikings and Broncos as much as I do??

I have to ask why you hate the Broncos!
Potaria
05-08-2005, 22:12
Actually, I can gaurentee that Pittsburgh fans will give Oakland fans a run for their ticket stubs.

Of course they can, and will. Reason?

Jeff Goldblum.
Trexia
06-08-2005, 03:15
How much do you know about the NFL? Seriously?

I'm no NFL Guru (I much prefer NCAA Football), but even I can tell that those options are horrible.

The Patriots...I'm not sure whether or not they belong there if the question is best team of all time.

I'm not sure the Cowboys fit there, maybe, I don't know.

But you when you left off the Dolphins and the Chiefs, you pretty much said "Hey, look at me! I know nothing about football before the 1990s!"
Apparently, if what you say is true, I just put the Packers up there because I felt like it. It had nothing to do with their, what, 12 championships. Now, Oakand, were the really a good team in the 90s and now? No sir, their good days were in the 60s and 70s (but not good enough in the 70s...). Cowboys: Their glory days were also in the 60s and 70s. Patriots: I hate them, but they've got a good team there. 3 championships. 49ers: 5-0 in the Super Bowl, anyone? I believe that that was before the 90s. Now to the Steelers, my team. They had, as I've said before, the greatest combination of players ever. The Steel Curtain. 17 HOFers. 4 Super Bowl wins compared to 1 loss. My idea of the greatest team ever. Lets review: How many of those were not pre-90s? ONE. But then again, I know nothing about football before the 90s...(hangs head and shakes it slowly) When will they learn...?
Jah Bootie
06-08-2005, 03:17
Cowboys: Their glory days were also in the 60s and 70s.
Don't forget the early 90s.
OceanDrive2
06-08-2005, 03:31
What makes them so tragic to me is the amount of stars they had on that team without being able to ever win a super bowl. Jim Kelly, Andre Ware, Thurman Thomas, Cornelius Benedict, etc, etc.

Of course, that was no match for Troy Aikman, Emmitt Smith, Micheal Irvin, Charles Haley, etc. :pTroy Aikman? he does not make it on my top 100 list
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 03:32
Troy Aikman? he does not make it on my top 100 list

Why?

He was one of the best QBs of his time. Granted he's no Kelly, Montana, or Elway, but great in his own right.
OceanDrive2
06-08-2005, 03:34
He was one of the best QBs of his time.Troy aikman? ...one of the best QBs of his time ????

I dont think so.
Jah Bootie
06-08-2005, 03:36
Troy aikman? ...one of the best QBs of his time ????

I dont think so.
You're right. He was THE best of his time.
Trexia
06-08-2005, 03:38
Why?

He was one of the best QBs of his time. Granted he's no Kelly, Montana, or Elway, but great in his own right.
I guess you didn't say Bradshaw because he didn't deserve to be degraded next to them, right? Or did it "accidently" slip your mind? :D
Sdaeriji
06-08-2005, 03:39
Troy aikman? ...one of the best QBs of his time ????

I dont think so.

He was the best of the class of QBs that came after the Marino-Elway class.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 03:39
I guess you didn't say Bradshaw because he didn't deserve to be degraded next to them, right? Or did it "accidently" slip your mind? :D

Bradshaw was a slightly different era.
Jah Bootie
06-08-2005, 03:40
I was exxaggerating about THE best, but you don't put up the kind of offensive numbers that the Cowboys did without a top shelf quarterback. The only quarterback of his age that I could see being better is Brett Favre.
Undelia
06-08-2005, 03:48
I don't see how fans can remain loyal to a team that moves back and forth whenever they get a better offer.
We don’t care where they play. It’s the Raider nation. Fans all over the country cheering for the Raiders, often at Hooters. :p
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 03:51
We don’t care where they play. It’s the Raider nation. Fans all over the country cheering for the Raiders, often at Hooters. :p

Fans all over the country root for Denver too. Oakland sucks bigtime.
Stanikstein
06-08-2005, 03:55
Oilers/Titans all the way baby.
OceanDrive2
06-08-2005, 04:09
You're right. He was THE best of his time.What makes you say that?
OceanDrive2
06-08-2005, 04:10
He was the best of the class of QBs that came after the Marino-Elway class.What makes you say that?
The Lagonia States
06-08-2005, 06:08
I'm a Jets fan with no particular love for Pittsburg, but the Steel Curtain era of football was one of total Steelers domination. That was a dynasty, not this crap we have now in New England
Sdaeriji
06-08-2005, 06:15
What makes you say that?

The fact that he won more Super Bowls than his contemporaries.
Colyell
06-08-2005, 06:15
Im not a fan of any Major league sports, just college sports. Go LSU!!!!!!!!!!!!! Louisiana State UNI.!!!!!!!!! Eye of the Tiger!
Sdaeriji
06-08-2005, 06:16
I'm a Jets fan with no particular love for Pittsburg, but the Steel Curtain era of football was one of total Steelers domination. That was a dynasty, not this crap we have now in New England

A Jets fan who thinks that the Patriots dynasty is crap. How unique.
OceanDrive2
06-08-2005, 06:26
The fact that he(Aikman) won more Super Bowls than his contemporaries.So in your opinion...Trent Dilfer is Greater than McNabb, Kelly, Vick, and Marino.
Potaria
06-08-2005, 07:04
Tom Brady is a great QB, no doubt. But, it's not about how many Super Bowls he's won... It's the way he plays the position.

I like to think of him as an athletic Joe Montana.
Sdaeriji
06-08-2005, 07:08
So in your opinion...Trent Dilfer is Greater than McNabb, Kelly, Vick, and Marino.

A. Kelly, Marino, and Vick weren't Dilfer's contemporaries. McNabb, maybe, though McNabb was on his way in when Dilfer was on his way out.

B. Not as such, because Dilfer didn't really win games. His defense did. But the ultimate measurement of a quarterback isn't passing yards or touchdowns, it's winning games when it counts.
Kibolonia
06-08-2005, 08:25
The 1972 Dolphins I'll grant. Not the 1973 Dolphins :D
Many of the players from the '72 team that returned in '73 were of the opinion that the second team was the stronger team. They played the games, I'm inclined to take their word for it.
I have to ask why you hate the Broncos!
Because they are bitches, as are their fans, and it's the right thing to do.

As an aside, I would say the Bronco fans are the worst in all of football, just miserable people, Vikings fans come a distant second. Raider nation, are generally a bunch of good guys who like to shout abusive language and mainly get liquored up, and even as a Seahawk fan, they can be a lot of fun. Bronco fans they know Colorado just doesn't have anything else going on and it kills them inside. Leaving them bitter empty shells that sometimes travel around the country trying to avoid public crying fits.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 15:23
Im not a fan of any Major league sports, just college sports. Go LSU!!!!!!!!!!!!! Louisiana State UNI.!!!!!!!!! Eye of the Tiger!

LSU Sucks! Go Pitt Panthers :D
Potaria
06-08-2005, 15:24
LSU Sucks! Go Pitt Panthers :D

Let's go, Pitt!
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 15:25
Tom Brady is a great QB, no doubt. But, it's not about how many Super Bowls he's won... It's the way he plays the position.

I like to think of him as an athletic Joe Montana.

Not a bad statement. Infact, it is just about accurate.
Potaria
06-08-2005, 15:25
Not a bad statement. Infact, it is just about accurate.

Of course. Why else would I say it?

;)
Jah Bootie
06-08-2005, 15:28
What makes you say that?
I was exaggerating, but like I said upthread, an offense doesn't put up as many points as Dallas's did without a top notch quarterback.

Plus, he had a rocket for an arm, read the field like a master, and was cool under pressure. The only major defect that I think he had was the fact that he was so regularly injured.
OceanDrive2
06-08-2005, 15:29
A. Kelly, Marino, and Vick weren't Dilfer's contemporaries. McNabb, maybe, though McNabb was on his way in when Dilfer was on his way out.

B. Not as such, because Dilfer didn't really win games. His defense did. But the ultimate measurement of a quarterback isn't passing yards or touchdowns, it's winning games when it counts.
in post 91 your "ultimate" measure is the number of SuperBowls victories.

make up your mind.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 15:30
Many of the players from the '72 team that returned in '73 were of the opinion that the second team was the stronger team. They played the games, I'm inclined to take their word for it.

But it was the 72 dolphins that were perfect. The 1973 dolphins were not.

Because they are bitches, as are their fans, and it's the right thing to do.

OMG! I am calling you out. You really wanna see rowdy fans, come to Pittsburgh. The Bronco fans are bitches by any stretches of the imagination. Nor is the team a bunch of Bitches. So what team do you support or do I have to assume its one of three teams in the AFC West?

As an aside, I would say the Bronco fans are the worst in all of football, just miserable people, Vikings fans come a distant second.

Ok why do you think that Bronco fans are the worst in all of football. Be advised that I am a die hard Broncos fan.

Raider nation, are generally a bunch of good guys who like to shout abusive language and mainly get liquored up, and even as a Seahawk fan, they can be a lot of fun.

Come to a Pittsburgh Steeler game and you'll see people that are more liquored up than Raider nation fans. BTW, Raiders suck ass.

Bronco fans they know Colorado just doesn't have anything else going on and it kills them inside.

HAHAHAHA!!! Now this has got to be one of the funniest statements I've ever heard. HAHAHA Excuse me while I die laughing.

Leaving them bitter empty shells that sometimes travel around the country trying to avoid public crying fits.

You owe me 19.99 for a new BS Detector.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 15:31
Of course. Why else would I say it?

;)

LOL! I'm not going to say anything more on that topic.
OceanDrive2
06-08-2005, 15:33
because Dilfer didn't really win games..You got that rite...no individual player can win a championship in Football...

there is some key players that cannot be replaced...but Aikman/Dilfer are not one of them...
The Cat-Tribe
06-08-2005, 16:17
Where in the world is the other option? None of those teams are the best teams in the league.

Denver though is the best team in the league :D

Go Broncos. Win the AFC West :)

We Raiders fans laugh in your general direction. :p :D :D
Potaria
06-08-2005, 16:18
We Raiders fans laugh in your general direction. :p :D :D

Pittsburgh > Oakland, except for Oakland in Pittsburgh, which in that case...

Oakland >< Pittsburgh > Oakland.
Greater Googlia
06-08-2005, 16:19
You got that rite...no individual player can win a championship in Football...

there is some key players that cannot be replaced...but Aikman/Dilfer are not one of them...
Who did this Aikman/Dilfer character play for, and however did they fit that entire name on the back of a jersey?[/sarcasm] (but seriously, "Are not one of them"?)
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:19
We Raiders fans laugh in your general direction. :p :D :D

We Bronco Fans laugh back at you :p :D :D
Splurvia
06-08-2005, 16:27
Here we go Steelers Here we Go !

We will miss Myron Cope's radio calls like Yoi! and Double YOI !

Its rolling around in his crainium!

Did you see that !

God Bless Myron in his retirement ! YOI! Triple Yoi!
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:29
We will miss Myron Cope's radio calls like Yoi! and Double YOI !

Its rolling around in his crainium!

Did you see that !

God Bless Myron in his retirement ! YOI! Triple Yoi!

I have to second this. He will be missed :(
Splurvia
06-08-2005, 16:31
GO PITT GO

Be there for the Notre Dame vs. Pitt, I got my season tickets on the upper deck first row on the 50 !

GO PItt GO !

Under the arm, under the arm, Pitt! Pitt!

Penn State Sucks
Potaria
06-08-2005, 16:32
Penn State Sucks

Truer words have never been spoken.
Ph33rdom
06-08-2005, 16:34
This thread has gone too many pages since the last time I posted the greatest name in Football...

DETROIT LIONS

:D
Potaria
06-08-2005, 16:35
This thread has gone too many pages since the last time I posted the greatest name in Football...

DETROIT LIONS

:D

LOL!
Jah Bootie
06-08-2005, 16:36
This thread has gone too many pages since the last time I posted the greatest name in Football...

DETROIT LIONS

:D
I will never forgive the Lions for taking a guy who might have been the greatest running back in history and refusing to either trade him or build anything around him. If the Cowboys had him, he would have the record today, and probably two or three years earlier than Emmitt.
Potaria
06-08-2005, 16:37
I will never forgive the Lions for taking a guy who might have been the greatest running back in history and refusing to either trade him or build anything around him. If the Cowboys had him, he would have the record today, and probably two or three years earlier than Emmitt.

Just think of how many extra Super Bowls John Elway would've been to if the Broncos drafted Barry.

Wow.
Adamor
06-08-2005, 16:43
I am a firm believer that Brett Favre is God, and he will send New England to hell, because I hate their asses.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:44
I am a firm believer that Brett Favre is God, and he will send New England to hell, because I hate their asses.

Brett Favre a God? Shouldn't that fall to John Elway? :D
Jah Bootie
06-08-2005, 16:45
Just think of how many extra Super Bowls John Elway would've been to if the Broncos drafted Barry.

Wow.
Yeah, Terrell Davis made it obvious that what Elway was missing for all those years was a really powerful running back. There's another back that could have a place in the record books if bad luck hadn't intervened. Cf. Bo Jackson.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:46
BTW: I'm going to try to keep up with the NFL season on these boards.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=436291
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:47
Yeah, Terrell Davis made it obvious that what Elway was missing for all those years was a really powerful running back. There's another back that could have a place in the record books if bad luck hadn't intervened. Cf. Bo Jackson.

Bo Jackson was a better Baseball player than a football player.
Potaria
06-08-2005, 16:48
Bo Jackson was a better Baseball player than a football player.

That's saying a lot, really.
Adamor
06-08-2005, 16:49
Brett Favre a God? Shouldn't that fall to John Elway? :D
Brett Favre isn't a God, he is THE God. John Elway is just his left-smiting-hand.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:50
That's saying a lot, really.

Yea. He played both sports at the sametime. He was playing baseball for the KC Royals and football for the Raiders. It killed me to know that he got hurt playing football.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:51
Brett Favre isn't a God, he is THE God. John Elway is just his left-smiting-hand.

Farve is no God by any stretches of the imagination. Elway. Now he's THE GOD!
Potaria
06-08-2005, 16:51
Yea. He played both sports at the sametime. He was playing baseball for the KC Royals and football for the Raiders. It killed me to know that he got hurt playing football.

He should've just gone down... He just had to keep running with that guy holding onto his leg...
Jah Bootie
06-08-2005, 16:52
Bo Jackson was a better Baseball player than a football player.
That's debatable. He was amazing at both. He was averaging over 5 yards a carry for the Raiders though. What an amazing athelete and individual.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 16:54
He should've just gone down... He just had to keep running with that guy holding onto his leg...

I agree. I saw that replay and I was going insane because I liked him (as a Royal AND NOT as a Raider)
Ph33rdom
06-08-2005, 16:59
Bo Jackson was a better Baseball player than a football player.

I remember a Monday Night Football Game in 1990 between the Lions and Raiders, and Jackson and Sanders were teeing off on each other, it was one of the funnest regular season football games I've ever watched (both guys had huge runs, back to back, both were over 200 total yards ea., if I recall correctly)... It was great. :)

Detroit lost but it was a great game... L.A. Raiders 38, DETROIT 31,
Adamor
06-08-2005, 17:02
Farve is no God by any stretches of the imagination. Elway. Now he's THE GOD!
There is only one way to settle this. Brett and Johnny need to finish this off with a gold old boxing match. For the title of God.
Potaria
06-08-2005, 17:03
There is only one way to settle this. Brett and Johnny need to finish this off with a gold old boxing match. For the title of God.

John would win. He's bigger (by an inch, and not in THAT way, you perv, though he probably is... after all, he was called Mr. Ed...), more athletic, and wasn't injured as often. He's also a lot more intelligent (what do you expect from Favre? He's a backwater idiot from Mississippi).
Spookopolis
06-08-2005, 17:09
There is only one way to settle this. Brett and Johnny need to finish this off with a gold old boxing match. For the title of God.
Like the old saying goes, "There's only enough room for one of us." It must be a fight to the death. That's the only way.
Trexia
06-08-2005, 17:29
I see that Greater Googlia did not have the guts to reply to my slam on him. That should be an extra vote for the Steelers.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 17:31
I see that Greater Googlia did not have the guts to reply to my slam on him. That should be an extra vote for the Steelers.

He really doesn't care about the NFL. He's more into College Football than the NFL. Frankly, I'm boycotting most college activities due to what their damn board of governors pulled yesterday.
Potaria
06-08-2005, 17:32
He really doesn't care about the NFL. He's more into College Football than the NFL. Frankly, I'm boycotting most college activities due to what their damn board of governors pulled yesterday.

What'd they pull?
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 17:39
What'd they pull?

http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/press_room/2005/august/20050805_exec_comm_rls.html
Potaria
06-08-2005, 17:39
http://www2.ncaa.org/media_and_events/press_room/2005/august/20050805_exec_comm_rls.html

Oh yeah, I heard about this on the news before I fell asleep. I thought it was for some high school, but... Wow.

Political Correctness has to stop somewhere. Ugh.
Corneliu
06-08-2005, 17:42
Oh yeah, I heard about this on the news before I fell asleep. I thought it was for some high school, but... Wow.

Political Correctness has to stop somewhere. Ugh.

I agree 100% it does have to stop. Florida State has already blasted the NCAA Executive Committee over it.
Potaria
06-08-2005, 17:47
I agree 100% it does have to stop. Florida State has already blasted the NCAA Executive Committee over it.

Good for them. I mean, this is just like saying:

"Oh, you eat granola cereal? I'm offended! You're not my friend anymore, you bastard. Stop eating granola, because it offends ME!"

Makes about as much sense...
Kibolonia
07-08-2005, 00:55
But it was the 72 dolphins that were perfect. The 1973 dolphins were not.
So you want to argue with the guys who played the games you didn't even watch over a statistical quirk? That definately sounds like a Bronco fan.
OMG! I am calling you out. You really wanna see rowdy fans, come to Pittsburgh. The Bronco fans are bitches by any stretches of the imagination. Nor is the team a bunch of Bitches.
Steeler fans are a lot of fun. They're like a cross between Cheese-heads and Raider Nation. All Broncos, and fans are indeed bitches, it's a fact, there have been many articles with persuasive evidence for this published in JAMA, The New England Journal of Medicin, and Nature. You can't argue with science.
So what team do you support or do I have to assume its one of three teams in the AFC West?
An example of previously published studies demonstrating that Broncos fans rank near the bottom of all primates when it comes to producing correct deductions from incomplete sets of facts, typically demonstrating the reading comprehension of an average nineyear old (assuming they can read). I'll give you one more guess.
Ok why do you think that Bronco fans are the worst in all of football. Be advised that I am a die hard Broncos fan.
Oh, I'm just basing it off my personal experience with every Bronco fan I've ever met.
Come to a Pittsburgh Steeler game and you'll see people that are more liquored up than Raider nation fans. BTW, Raiders suck ass.
I haven't been to a Steelers game in Pittsburgh, and if someone ever finds me in Pittsburgh I'm obviously lost and should be returned to my owner. But the Steeler fans are badass, they know how to have a good time. Oh they're hung up on former (and misremembered) glory, but not in the miserable son of a bitch way all the Bronco fans are. And while The Raiders do indeed suck Al Davis' pruny ass, the fans do indeed rock.
HAHAHAHA!!! Now this has got to be one of the funniest statements I've ever heard. HAHAHA Excuse me while I die laughing.
I'll trade dead Bronco fans for dead lawyers at 1 : 10.
You owe me 19.99 for a new BS Detector.
Fine, just come to my house (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Medina,+Washington&ll=47.628742,-122.241247&spn=0.005049,0.008480&t=h&hl=en). It's the big one in the center of the picture. I don't know when you're coming, and I don't like to give my number out to strangers, so just get in however is convienent and wait for me. If security tells you to stop, don't worry about it, their guns aren't real, I'll just smooth everything over with them later. Look foreward to seeing you. But what I said about Bronco fans is 100% true.

PS- How's that secondary this year? Muwahaha. Don't tell John Lynch where I live, he might hit me with his purse. Enjoy going 6 and 10.
Corneliu
07-08-2005, 01:03
So you want to argue with the guys who played the games you didn't even watch over a statistical quirk? That definately sounds like a Bronco fan.

What are you talking about? I actually look at stats all the time I also look at records too. I know how close the 72 Dolphins came to not having a perfect season just like a couple of mistakes in 2 games kept Pittsburgh from having a perfect season and Denver just not caring in Week 14, 15 and16 (didn't matter anyway since the AFC West AND homefield were already sowed up) cost them a perfect season.

Steeler fans are a lot of fun. They're like a cross between Cheese-heads and Raider Nation.

I'll give you that.

All Broncos, and fans are indeed bitches, it's a fact, there have been many articles with persuasive evidence for this published in JAMA, The New England Journal of Medicin, and Nature. You can't argue with science.

Prove this please because it is without a doubt 100% false.

An example of previously published studies demonstrating that Broncos fans rank near the bottom of all primates when it comes to producing correct deductions from incomplete sets of facts, typically demonstrating the reading comprehension of an average nineyear old (assuming they can read). I'll give you one more guess.

Oh, I'm just basing it off my personal experience with every Bronco fan I've ever met.

I never would've guessed. If you met me, you'd be singing a different tune. I'm the nicest person you'd ever meet but piss me off and it won't be pretty.

I haven't been to a Steelers game in Pittsburgh, and if someone ever finds me in Pittsburgh I'm obviously lost and should be returned to my owner.

HAHA! I"m not even near the city by choice. I wouldnt want to move here if I had free will. It is that crappy to live here.

But the Steeler fans are badass, they know how to have a good time. Oh they're hung up on former (and misremembered) glory, but not in the miserable son of a bitch way all the Bronco fans are.

Careful dude, your now on thin ice with me. I feel my blood pressure rising.

And while The Raiders do indeed suck Al Davis' pruny ass, the fans do indeed rock.

I have an aunt who is a Raiders fan and her I go at all the time. Its fun though. She likes me and knows that I aint what your claiming Bronco fans to be.

I'll trade dead Bronco fans for dead lawyers at 1 : 10.

And I'll trade your ass for a Bronco fan 1:10 as well. You suck.

Fine, just come to my house (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Medina,+Washington&ll=47.628742,-122.241247&spn=0.005049,0.008480&t=h&hl=en). It's the big one in the center of the picture. I don't know when you're coming, and I don't like to give my number out to strangers, so just get in however is convienent and wait for me. If security tells you to stop, don't worry about it, their guns aren't real, I'll just smooth everything over with them later. Look foreward to seeing you. But what I said about Bronco fans is 100% true.[/quote]

How about I give you a phone number to a particular aunt that I have who is a raiders fan and just adores me knowing full well that I'm a Bronco fan? I would rather be a bronco fan than a fan of whatever team you support.

PS- How's that secondary this year? Muwahaha. Don't tell John Lynch where I live, he might hit me with his purse. Enjoy going 6 and 10.

You'll be laughing out the other side of your damn mouth when Denver wins the AFC West!
The boldly courageous
07-08-2005, 01:25
As far as best team I would have to say Green Bay Packers. There long term record speaks for itself.

I am a Brown's Fan. I enjoy the rivalry we have with the Steelers. We love to "hate" each other. Makes a great game to go to. I can't say the same about the one with the Baltimore Ravens. Sigh... just sort of lacking that special zing :D
Kibolonia
08-08-2005, 02:09
I never would've guessed. If you met me, you'd be singing a different tune. I'm the nicest person you'd ever meet but piss me off and it won't be pretty.
Most of the the just plain ordinary people I meet aren't prone to warning others of their predilictions to psychotic fits. To say nothing of the nice, let alone the nicest people. But you still might be the nicest Bronco fan. And while in my experience Bronco fans are NEVER pretty, pissing them off is pretty funny.
HAHA! I"m not even near the city by choice. I wouldnt want to move here if I had free will. It is that crappy to live here.{/quote]
Take a vacation to Newark, NJ, you'll come back feeling blessed to be in Pittsburgh. Or Buffalo. No, save that for an emergency.
[quote]Careful dude, your now on thin ice with me. I feel my blood pressure rising.
Maybe you have pre-hypertension.
I have an aunt who is a Raiders fan and her I go at all the time. Its fun though. She likes me and knows that I aint what your claiming Bronco fans to be.
Glad to see those Daily Affirmation With Stuart Smally tapes are working out.
And I'll trade your ass for a Bronco fan 1:10 as well. You suck.
I'd never let a Bronco fan or otherwise near my ass. Funny you bring up sucking though, on NFL forums some of the older refs have repeatedly said Elway by far gave the best BJs. Being from Denver, I'm sure he taught his daughter....
You'll be laughing out the other side of your damn mouth when Denver wins the AFC West!
Yeah, if I was a Bronco fan I'd be looking foreward to the 2007 season too.
Corneliu
08-08-2005, 02:12
*snip*

You really need to get out more.

Yeah, if I was a Bronco fan I'd be looking foreward to the 2007 season too.

Sorry, but this season, the AFC West is coming back to Denver.
Bonferoni
08-08-2005, 02:33
Where in the world is the other option? None of those teams are the best teams in the league.

Denver though is the best team in the league :D

Go Broncos. Win the AFC West :)
Hell Yeah!
that's right...the Orange crush days may be in the past, but our D is strong and our O is coming together:D
Corneliu
08-08-2005, 02:34
Hell Yeah!
that's right...the Orange crush days may be in the past, but our D is strong and our O is coming together:D

Amen to that. Watchout San Diego. Your time at the top is last years news (literally) LOL