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So yadda yadda yadda most influential rock band....

Aw c'mon, you can't just select other and not say who?!?! :rolleyes:

Greatest "seminal rock band" ?

If you're talking "seminal" it's gotta be Cream.

Hehe, you wrote "seminal". :D

sem·i·nal Pronunciation Key (sm-nl)
adj.

1. Of, relating to, containing, or conveying semen or seed.
2. Of, relating to, or having the power to originate; creative.
3. Highly influential in an original way; constituting or providing a basis for further development: a seminal idea in the creation of a new theory.

If you're talking "seminal" it's gotta be Cream.
:D ...very funny :p

If you look at influence upon modern music, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles and Black Sabbath are about equal.

For general R&R, either Elvis, Bill Haley & His Comets, or Buddy Holly and The Crickets.

For punk, the Ramones.

Sex Pistols.

They fucking influenced everybody.

Queen were by far the most seminal band for me personally.

Queen!

I love them so much.

If you're talking "seminal" it's gotta be Cream.
i love cream :fluffle:

Genesis.

Or the Wurzels.

*Wanders off singing about combine harvesters*

Sex Pistols.

They fucking influenced everybody.
don't You think the Ramones were more influencial?

don't You think the Ramones were more influencial?

The Ramones influenced a lot, no question. But, the Pistols influenced far more, and not just in Rock 'n' Roll.

And, while I'm at it: The Pistols were not influenced by the Ramones.

The Ramones influenced a lot, no question. But, the Pistols influenced far more, and not just in Rock 'n' Roll.

And, while I'm at it: The Pistols were not influenced by the Ramones.
give Me a few examples of who the pistols influenced. and To address your second point, yes they were.

give Me a few examples of who the pistols influenced. and To address your second point, yes they were.

Megadeth, Anthrax, and Iron Maiden for Metal. There are more, but those are the top examples.

The Ramones, The Damned, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag for Punk Rock, among many hundreds of other famous and lesser-knowns.

I'm pretty sure they influenced some Rap and Reggae artists, though I'll have to look into this.

And, no: They were *not* influenced by the Ramones. Not in the least. Read up about it, and nowhere will you find them being influenced at all. However, the Pistols did influence the Ramones in the late 1970's. It can be heard on Road To Ruin. Johnny said that Steve Jones inspired him to play better, and he did.

give Me a few examples of who the pistols influenced. and To address your second point, yes they were.

Even if there were a few examples, that wouldnt be good enough for this thread. This thread is about greatest seminal rock bands of all time. When other bands have created major branches of rock music, it is very difficult to consider a band like the Sex Pistols or Ramones who merely influenced minor branches of rock music to be on the same level.

Even if there were a few examples, that wouldnt be good enough for this thread. This thread is about greatest seminal rock bands of all time. When other bands have created major branches of rock music, it is very difficult to consider a band like the Sex Pistols or Ramones who merely influenced minor branches of rock music to be on the same level.

Uhh... The Sex Pistols and the Ramones influenced just about every major Rock band that came after them (even some that came before them --- listen to some later Led Zeppelin demos).

Look before you speak.

Uhh... The Sex Pistols and the Ramones influenced just about every major Rock band that came after them (even some that came before them --- listen to some later Led Zeppelin demos).

Look before you speak.


uhuh...right.

Even if there were a few examples, that wouldnt be good enough for this thread. This thread is about greatest seminal rock bands of all time. When other bands have created major branches of rock music, it is very difficult to consider a band like the Sex Pistols or Ramones who merely influenced minor branches of rock music to be on the same level.

Punk rock isn't a minor branch of rock music...It has shaped the sound of music up until today.


The Ramones, The Damned, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag for Punk Rock, among many hundreds of other famous and lesser-knowns.

I'd actually contend that 80's hardcore has been more influential towards modern music than the Sex Pistols...they have an indirect influence, but I think hardcore was an evolution of that. Hardcore lead more or less directly to grunge, and had more of an influence upon metal in the 80s and 90s than the Pistols.

Punk rock isn't a minor branch of rock music...It has shaped the sound of music up until today.


Sure, thats why punk cd's are usually found in bargain bins.

uhuh...right.

He's right. Ever heard the song "Wearing and Tearing" by Zeppelin?

I also find it hard to imagine the vast majority of bands in the 90's and today existing if it weren't for punk.

Sure, thats why punk cd's are usually found in bargain bins.

Get a clue: Most *good* Punk Rock can't even be found in stores with bargain bins.

Get a clue: Most *good* Punk Rock can't even be found in stores with bargain bins.

Therefore, it is a major branch of rock music? or do you disagree with Kanabia?

Sure, thats why punk cd's are usually found in bargain bins.

There are plenty of blues and jazz CD's found in them too. And you can't argue that they're not major branches of music.

Therefore, it is a major branch of rock music? or do you disagree with Kanabia?

Punk Rock is a major Underground branch, but the point is that the Pistols and the Ramones influenced major Rock bands.

There are plenty of blues and jazz CD's found in them too. And you can't argue that they're not major branches of music.

but that is not where the majority of blues or jazz cd's reside. punk cd's on the other hand reside almost exclusively in bargain bins, or as Potaria points out, are in such low circulation (due to supply and demand) that they cannot be found in stores at all. This is the antithesis of the term "major branch".

Therefore, it is a major branch of rock music? or do you disagree with Kanabia?

Well, commercial punk sucks. But "good" punk rock has influenced almost everything since. Do you want examples?

but that is not where the majority of blues or jazz cd's reside. punk cd's on the other hand reside almost exclusively in bargain bins, or as Potaria points out, are in such low circulation (due to supply and demand) that they cannot be found in stores at all. This is the antithesis of the term "major branch".

The fuck? I didn't say any words to that effect.

They're in *real* music stores, not shit stores like Wal-Mart, Target, and K-Mart. Go to a music specialty store like Sam Goody, and see what I mean.

Punk Rock is a major Underground branch, but the point is that the Pistols and the Ramones influenced major Rock bands.

Right, they influenced many people. Im not denying that. My statement was that influencing some people does not compare to creating a major branch of rock music. When you are influential enough to be the driving force behind the creation of a major branch of rock music, thats when you truly qualify as seminal. Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin have done this. Sex Pistols may be influential but they did not drive the creation of a major branch of rock music like Black Sabbath did by creating heavy metal or Led Zeppelin by creating hard rock.

Or the Wurzels.

*Wanders off singing about combine harvesters*

Drink up your zyder.

Right, they influenced many people. Im not denying that. My statement was that influencing some people does not compare to creating a major branch of rock music. When you are influential enough to be the driving force behind the creation of a major branch of rock music, thats when you are truly qualify as seminal. Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin have done this. Sex Pistols may be influential but they did not drive the creation of a major branch of rock music like Black Sabbath did by creating heavy metal or Led Zeppelin by creating hard rock.

Uhh, the Sex Pistols influenced major Rock bands, thus influencing major branches of Rock. They fucking influenced U2 (so did The Clash and the Ramones).

but that is not where the majority of blues or jazz cd's reside. punk cd's on the other hand reside almost exclusively in bargain bins, or as Potaria points out, are in such low circulation (due to supply and demand) that they cannot be found in stores at all. This is the antithesis of the term "major branch".

I had trouble finding Velvet Underground albums the other day. Can they not be regarded as influential because they don't carry much weight in sales?

The idea of punk rock was never to be commercially successful (though it was, and still is). Yet it has influenced almost every rock band around today and shaped the sound of music...how can it not be a major branch?

I had trouble finding Velvet Underground albums the other day. Can they not be regarded as influential because they don't carry much weight in sales?

The idea of punk rock was never to be commercially successful (though it was, and still is). Yet it has influenced almost every rock band around today and shaped the sound of music...how can it not be a major branch?

Of course, he knows Punk Rock's been a major influence. He just has something against it.

...And punk was heavily influenced by bands like the Who, MC5, and artists like Iggy Pop and Elvis Costello, so I don't think the Sex Pistols or the Ramones could be considered the most "seminal". Though it's really impossible to point to one artist or band and say "they are what has inspired all the rest."

That being said, I voted for Led Zeppelin. Because they're Led Zeppelin, and I had to.

Right, they influenced many people. Im not denying that. My statement was that influencing some people does not compare to creating a major branch of rock music. When you are influential enough to be the driving force behind the creation of a major branch of rock music, thats when you truly qualify as seminal. Bands like Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin have done this. Sex Pistols may be influential but they did not drive the creation of a major branch of rock music like Black Sabbath did by creating heavy metal or Led Zeppelin by creating hard rock.

Whatever your incorrect opinion may be, the sales totals of punk rock albums classifies it as a "major" form of music.

...And punk was heavily influenced by bands like the Who, MC5, and artists like Iggy Pop and Elvis Costello, so I don't think the Sex Pistols or the Ramones could be considered the most "seminal". Though it's really impossible to point to one artist or band and say "they are what has inspired all the rest."

That being said, I voted for Led Zeppelin. Because they're Led Zeppelin, and I had to.

Well, of course there's no "most seminal". That's why threads like this are pretty much useless, other than voting for favorites.

...And punk was heavily influenced by bands like the Who, MC5, and artists like Iggy Pop and Elvis Costello, so I don't think the Sex Pistols or the Ramones could be considered the most "seminal". Though it's really impossible to point to one artist or band and say "they are what has inspired all the rest."

Exactly, going by that logic, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath were just the offspring of the blues. The only truly "seminal" styles of music in recent times have been rap and electronic music.

Well, of course there's no "most seminal". That's why threads like this are pretty much useless, other than voting for favorites.

Aye, but I was thinking of this post:

Sex Pistols.

They fucking influenced everybody.

When I responded. It's hard to say that they influenced everyone when it's so easy to point out inspirations.

Whatever your incorrect opinion may be, the sales totals of punk rock albums classifies it as a "major" form of music.

Never Mind The Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols went Gold before it was released. In the two weeks of pre-release, pre-orders reached over 250,000, qualifying it for a gold disc. This was back in 1977, the first time it'd happened since the Beetles released anything new. It shot up to #1 on the charts, and would stay there for seven (or was it five) weeks. It would continue to stay in the charts for a total of 52 weeks.

Their seminal (heh) single, God Save The Queen, hit #1 the day it was released, despite being banned across the U.K. It would stay at that position for two full weeks.

When I responded. It's hard to say that they influenced everyone when it's so easy to point out inspirations.

I couldn't possibly have been exaggerating... Nah...

;)

Exactly, going by that logic, Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath were just the offspring of the blues. The only truly "seminal" styles of music in recent times have been rap and electronic music.

Hardly. Hip hop is heavily influenced by reggae and, going further back, African poetry styles. Electronica has its roots in techno, which in turn has its roots in prog rock and classical music, of all things.

Like I said, it would be exceedingly difficult to say "most seminal". And to try to rank one above the other is usually a ludicrous idea.

Hardly. Hip hop is heavily influenced by reggae and, going further back, African poetry styles. Electronica has its roots in techno, which in turn has its roots in prog rock and classical music, of all things.

Like I said, it would be exceedingly difficult to say "most seminal". And to try to rank one above the other is usually a ludicrous idea.

Yeah, good point.

Yeah, good point.

Seconded.

Yeah, good point.

I take my music very seriously. Anyone who tries to make a "greatest band" poll anything other than a favorites poll draws my ire. Like LazyHippies, who has stopped posting. :(

I take my music very seriously. Anyone who tries to make a "greatest band" poll anything other than a favorites poll draws my ire. Like LazyHippies, who has stopped posting. :(

Yeah, it's strange that people like him stop posting when their "arguments" get shafted.

Megadeth, Anthrax, and Iron Maiden for Metal. There are more, but those are the top examples.
Yes - the influence on Iron Maiden can clearly be heard [/sarcasm off]
Sorry, but the Sex Pistols did what their Big Boss Malcolm McLaren told them to do. Steve Jones and Paul Cook could at least play their instruments up to a level. Now compare that to Maiden's mastery of instruments and song writing.

Influential Band: King Crimson
"Return of the Crimson King" is the ground breaking progrock record, influencing everyone in that field from Genesis (who claim to have listened to nothing else during the recording of Tresspass), YES and even heavy bands like Iron Maiden and Symphony X.

If there would have been no Beatles, there would have been no Monkees, true, but there would have been no 80's bands, no Radiohead, no Coldplay, no Keane, as we know them.

Why weren't the BEACH BOYS on this list? Or Phil Spector, or Todd Rundgren? Without them there where would Buffalo Springfield, CSNY, or the Eels be?

I love music.... sigh... :)

Megadeth, Anthrax, and Iron Maiden for Metal. There are more, but those are the top examples.

The Ramones, The Damned, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag for Punk Rock, among many hundreds of other famous and lesser-knowns.

I'm pretty sure they influenced some Rap and Reggae artists, though I'll have to look into this.

And, no: They were *not* influenced by the Ramones. Not in the least. Read up about it, and nowhere will you find them being influenced at all. However, the Pistols did influence the Ramones in the late 1970's. It can be heard on Road To Ruin. Johnny said that Steve Jones inspired him to play better, and he did.
thats Strange, seeing as the Ramones were one of the first bands to actually create and therefore a huge influence on sex pistols

OK as for an influencial band, i'm gonna go for TG. they Practically single handedly invented industrial music.

No Stones or Doors?

The Velvet Underground. No contest.

i've said it before, i'll say it again.

Kraftwerk.

not necessarily for having the most widespread influences, but for the most profound. if you take a look at the electronic music made before kraftwerk and compare it to what came after, it's impossible to deny their revolutionary influence. the fact that nearly EVERY BAND IN THE WORLD from 1982-1986 was using a synthesizer is indisputable proof of their influence.