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Are kids being turned into wimps?

Dakini
04-08-2005, 16:49
This is somewhat spawned because of the thread about the 11 year old arrested for throwing a rock at some other kids.


Seriously, it used to be that when a kid fell down and cut their knee, they went home and their mom or dad would clean them up, dry any tears, disinfect it and slap a bandaid on it. Now you've got parents sending their kids to the emergency room for cuts and scrapes and stupid shit like that and people wonder why emergency rooms are crowded. You've got parents who sue or throw fits because their kid is being picked on at school, hell, I heard about a parent suing a school because their kid failed a class, what the hell is that shit? You've got increased allergies because parents don't let their kids go outside and play and get dirty.

Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale? Yet perfectly good swingsets and slides are being torn down and replaced with plastic pieces of garbage designed to be "safe"

Childhood isn't going to be any fun anymore and the kids are going to grow up to be wimps who freak out at the slightest injury and won't be able to deal with social situations like adults when they reach that stage, unless they plan on calling in mommy every time.
Neo Kervoskia
04-08-2005, 16:52
Just give the kid a knock now and again, keep them tough. Either that or teach how to knife fight.
Dakini
04-08-2005, 16:54
I'm not saying we should encourage kids to fight each other or hit them to keep them tough. I'm saying we should let them be kids. Kids get injured, that's part of that stage of life.
Corneliu
04-08-2005, 16:54
This is somewhat spawned because of the thread about the 11 year old arrested for throwing a rock at some other kids.


Seriously, it used to be that when a kid fell down and cut their knee, they went home and their mom or dad would clean them up, dry any tears, disinfect it and slap a bandaid on it. Now you've got parents sending their kids to the emergency room for cuts and scrapes and stupid shit like that and people wonder why emergency rooms are crowded. You've got parents who sue or throw fits because their kid is being picked on at school, hell, I heard about a parent suing a school because their kid failed a class, what the hell is that shit? You've got increased allergies because parents don't let their kids go outside and play and get dirty.

Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale? Yet perfectly good swingsets and slides are being torn down and replaced with plastic pieces of garbage designed to be "safe"

Childhood isn't going to be any fun anymore and the kids are going to grow up to be wimps who freak out at the slightest injury and won't be able to deal with social situations like adults when they reach that stage, unless they plan on calling in mommy every time.

Well said Daniki! Well said indeed.
UpwardThrust
04-08-2005, 16:54
Kids got to be able to learn and grow … and part of that is falling out of tree’s and scraping knees because you decided to go down a hill on roller-skates that was way to big for you
E Blackadder
04-08-2005, 16:55
This is somewhat spawned because of the thread about the 11 year old arrested for throwing a rock at some other kids.


Seriously, it used to be that when a kid fell down and cut their knee, they went home and their mom or dad would clean them up, dry any tears, disinfect it and slap a bandaid on it. Now you've got parents sending their kids to the emergency room for cuts and scrapes and stupid shit like that and people wonder why emergency rooms are crowded. You've got parents who sue or throw fits because their kid is being picked on at school, hell, I heard about a parent suing a school because their kid failed a class, what the hell is that shit? You've got increased allergies because parents don't let their kids go outside and play and get dirty.

Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale? Yet perfectly good swingsets and slides are being torn down and replaced with plastic pieces of garbage designed to be "safe"

Childhood isn't going to be any fun anymore and the kids are going to grow up to be wimps who freak out at the slightest injury and won't be able to deal with social situations like adults when they reach that stage, unless they plan on calling in mommy every time.


I agree, Children are too sheltered in this day and age.
Santa Barbara
04-08-2005, 16:55
Well, compare a modern 14 year old male with a 14 year old male in the 10th century. Modernism itself seems to be about turning people of all ages into wimpier versions of humanity.
Kanabia
04-08-2005, 16:55
Just give the kid a knock now and again, keep them tough. Either that or teach how to knife fight.

Knife fighting is for pussies. Knife juggling is the real macho sport, because if they fuck up they only have their own incompetence to blame. It toughens them mentally and physically.
Neo Kervoskia
04-08-2005, 16:56
That's how you learn, from fucking up, let them see for themselves.
Dakini
04-08-2005, 16:57
Well, compare a modern 14 year old male with a 14 year old male in the 10th century. Modernism itself seems to be about turning people of all ages into wimpier versions of humanity.
It's not modernism, it's yuppie parents who think they can protect their children from anything and everything.
UpwardThrust
04-08-2005, 16:57
That's how you learn, from fucking up, let them see for themselves.
Yup you are there to try to prevent the permanent damage … and pick them up when they take a spill
But you got to LET them take that spill
E Blackadder
04-08-2005, 16:59
It's not modernism, it's yuppie parents who think they can protect their children from anything and everything.

I hate Yuppies!
they name their children things liek jago and kenzo!!!
Greedy Pig
04-08-2005, 16:59
True true. Send them to BJJ class or something. That would toughen them up.

ANy Kid threatens my kid.. They go to sleep.
Neo Kervoskia
04-08-2005, 17:00
Yup you are there to try to prevent the permanent damage … and pick them up when they take a spill
But you got to LET them take that spill
Otherwise it could turn into "Yes, mother, I'm coming. No, not the closest again!"
Syniks
04-08-2005, 17:01
Knife fighting is for pussies. Knife juggling is the real macho sport, because if they fuck up they only have their own incompetence to blame. It toughens them mentally and physically.
Nah, I prefer juggling bottles of Nitric Acid while standing in a pool of pure Glycerine. :eek:

THAT tightens the pucker factor a bit.... :D
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:04
I agree, Children are too sheltered in this day and age.
To say the least. People are becoming far too paranoid these days, especially about their children. And you know why? Crime, war, drugs, pornography, AIDS, and lots of other things that have soared in recent decades. The catch-22 part of this is that repressed kids lead to crime, war, drug abuse, etc.
Monkeypimp
04-08-2005, 17:06
It sucks, there used to be heaps of really cool wooden forts with poles to slide down at parks around the place. Now their all little plastic crappy things that are only fun if you're aged 4.

There used to be this really cool waterslide up the coast too, but they took it down cos people kept flying over the edge on one of the corners. I used to spend heaps of time flying down that thing.
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 17:07
Well, compare a modern 14 year old male with a 14 year old male in the 10th century. Modernism itself seems to be about turning people of all ages into wimpier versions of humanity.
What the hell are you doing back!!!??? And without informing me of this momentous occasion first? Well holy crap...good to see you!

I don't quite agree that we are 'wimpifying' kids...but we have taken this 'sanctity of childhood' a little far. We're afraid to let them out to play, so they sit inside and play video games all day, don't do any house work, and grow up without any skills, or feeling of worth.

Screw that. My kids are already helping me weed the garden, and if they eat some dirt along the way, no problem, because I don't use any chemicals in my yard. They 'play' at sweeping and mopping the floor (it's a pain, and takes me three times as long to clean when they're about, but it's important that they feel useful, and learn that they should help too). My daughter always helps me transfer the washed clothes to the dryer. They both 'help' me make the beds and tidy. People are afraid that making kids work is somehow stealing their childhood...which is ridiculous. You're teaching them life skills.
ChuChulainn
04-08-2005, 17:08
Things arent all that bad around me but it might be because I live in an area which is mostly made up of farming communities. Farm kids are always tougher than most
E Blackadder
04-08-2005, 17:08
To say the least. People are becoming far too paranoid these days, especially about their children. And you know why? Crime, war, drugs, pornography, AIDS, and lots of other things that have soared in recent decades. The catch-22 part of this is that repressed kids lead to crime, war, drug abuse, etc.

I shot my first peasant at the age of 10 and did it do me any harm? not bloody likely!.. :p. On a seriouse note my coissen was a child of the 80s he enjoyed a tougher lifestyle than i did, and my children will probably experiance a morte sheltered one than i..but yet..my Simon was bought up in a time of growing unrest between Russia and America,potentialy all out nuclear war, Aids, a huge rise in drugs..
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 17:09
That's how you learn, from fucking up, let them see for themselves.
Now you're talking like an indian:). In Native culture, this is how we teach children. We allow them to make mistakes. We warn them, explain the consequences, but we don't prevent them from doing things unless they are immediately and seriously dangerous. When they screw up, we don't punish, we highlight the consequences (you climbed the tree and fell. That is punishment enough. What did you learn?). Kids are not chia pets. They have brains, and are able to make the connection between cause and effect. Punishment teaches nothing, and prevention only shields them from knowledge.
UpwardThrust
04-08-2005, 17:11
Things arent all that bad around me but it might be because I live in an area which is mostly made up of farming communities. Farm kids are always tougher than most
Thank Allah I still live in such an area
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 17:11
Things arent all that bad around me but it might be because I live in an area which is mostly made up of farming communities. Farm kids are always tougher than most
Yup. And it's because they're expected to help out with the chores, and they have the space to go running around and exploring (breaking bones and falling in rivers along the way). But they also have the added safety of not being accessible to perverts and other bastards who target children. Which is the very reason I refuse to raise my kids in an urban centre. I can't live with the worry. Let them run carefree instead.
Laerod
04-08-2005, 17:11
I agree, Children are too sheltered in this day and age.You be the one to tell the parents what went wrong then...
I can only relate from my experiences in child and youth care. Children are rough, but when you're the one responsible for their safety, and you're not the parent (not to mention you get nervous around swinging objects due to a trauma in childhood...) that can make you quite protective of the little ones... especially if they decide to run out on the street... :eek:
E Blackadder
04-08-2005, 17:12
Now you're talking like an indian:). In Native culture, this is how we teach children. We allow them to make mistakes. We warn them, explain the consequences, but we don't prevent them from doing things unless they are immediately and seriously dangerous. When they screw up, we don't punish, we highlight the consequences (you climbed the tree and fell. That is punishment enough. What did you learn?). Kids are not chia pets. They have brains, and are able to make the connection between cause and effect. Punishment teaches nothing, and prevention only shields them from knowledge.

i didnt know you where indian Sinhue..i always thought by the name you were first nation :confused:
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:12
It sucks, there used to be heaps of really cool wooden forts with poles to slide down at parks around the place. Now their all little plastic crappy things that are only fun if you're aged 4.
Actually they still have the wooden forts around where I live. I know because I have to drag my little brother to them all the time. And then he wants me to play with him, too. (My childhood was spent primarily in an environment in which I was treated as an equal by adults, could go out on the streets by myself until 8:00 PM, and frequently would go out alone on errands at six in the morning to buy food (I was 9 or 10 at this time). Instead of playgrounds--there were none--we spent our time playing in a 10th-century castle on a hill, hiking in the forest, and swimming in a clear unpolluted lake. Mod I miss those days. *sighs*)
UpwardThrust
04-08-2005, 17:12
Yup. And it's because they're expected to help out with the chores, and they have the space to go running around and exploring (breaking bones and falling in rivers along the way). But they also have the added safety of not being accessible to perverts and other bastards who target children. Which is the very reason I refuse to raise my kids in an urban centre. I can't live with the worry. Let them run carefree instead.
Well to be fair I live 5 miles out of anything that could be called a town and still managed to get molested by my priest (yes live on a farm)

Bad luck eh lol
Jah Bootie
04-08-2005, 17:13
I don't really buy the idea that children should suffer because their ancestors did. I am personally happy that I didn't have to start work at 13 like my great grandfather did.

Playgrounds and whatnot don't seem to have disappeared from the world. I take my child to them all the time and she has as much fun as I did. There are some parents who do foolish things like sue their schools for giving bad grades but overall things are getting better as time goes by.
E Blackadder
04-08-2005, 17:14
You be the one to tell the parents what went wrong then...
I can only relate from my experiences in child and youth care. Children are rough, but when you're the one responsible for their safety, and you're not the parent (not to mention you get nervous around swinging objects due to a trauma in childhood...) that can make you quite protective of the little ones... especially if they decide to run out on the street... :eek:

ME?..in child care?....MWAHAHAHAH yes yes a whole army of pro-imperialist british drones, obeying my every whim...first cheltenam and then the world!!!
....or what evers good for the kids i dont mind
Corneliu
04-08-2005, 17:14
Now they want to take away monkeybars and dodgeball. Come on people, get a life.
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:14
Things arent all that bad around me but it might be because I live in an area which is mostly made up of farming communities. Farm kids are always tougher than most
Don't I know it, it takes me longer to beat them up :)
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 17:14
i didnt know you where indian Sinhue..i always thought by the name you were first nation :confused:
Hahahahaa...we're still officially "Indians", and a lot of us still use the name. But yeah, I'm a First Nation's person...not from India.
San Texario
04-08-2005, 17:15
The wimpifying in my area began when I was about 10 (I'm 15 now) when they replaced a park at my elementry school. Surely enough though it wasn't too bad. But now all of the old parks that me and my friends had so much fun on are gone and replaced with the safety stuff. I do miss the wooden parks with metal slides...
E Blackadder
04-08-2005, 17:15
Hahahahaa...we're still officially "Indians", and a lot of us still use the name. But yeah, I'm a First Nation's person...not from India.

oh ok :) sorry to waste your time :)
Holyawesomeness
04-08-2005, 17:16
Yes we are wimpifying kids.

I read an article in the newspaper about how colleges are trying to develope ways to keep parents from interfering with their little darlings. According to the article colleges are having to get parents distracted so that kids will be able to fill out their paperwork for college(not the tests but the actual paperwork for dorms and such) about how colleges are establishing divisions for dealing with parents that complain about how their little baby did not deserve the bad grade that they got and to deal with parents that are too controlling in terms of selecting dorm mates and the like.

I also have read an article in some psychology mag that kids today are not developing the abilities that they need to be independent. The article blames the overprotective nature of parents for wimpifying these children.

We need to give children more independence and more punishments. They need to learn not to be fools or weaklings or anything else. They need to learn that in life there is right and wrong and that what you do in life affects the person you will be.
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 17:17
Well to be fair I live 5 miles out of anything that could be called a town and still managed to get molested by my priest (yes live on a farm)

Bad luck eh lol
I'm not talking about that sort of contact...you can still be molested, by a teacher, a coach, a priest...whatever. You aren't immune. But the kind of random child-snatching that happens in the cities is much less likely to happen in the country. People notice you if you walk onto their land, and the response is rarely friendly. Same with other crime...oh sure, your house can be robbed, and you can be murdered in your bed...but it's less likely when you've got motion-triggered floodlights and a dog, and plenty of time to grab your rifle.
ChuChulainn
04-08-2005, 17:17
Thank Allah I still live in such an area

You know you're in the heart of farmland when people have ploughing competitions. It isnt that great a spectator sport in my opinion though :p
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:18
The wimpifying in my area began when I was about 10 (I'm 15 now) when they replaced a park at my elementry school. Surely enough though it wasn't too bad. But now all of the old parks that me and my friends had so much fun on are gone and replaced with the safety stuff. I do miss the wooden parks with metal slides...
Why don't you go somewhere more reasonable, like where I live, which has never had enough money to replace the parks (despite proposals brought up in the local legislature). Priorities instead are on fixing the awful roads (the reason why I'm not planning to get my license this year, even though I'm old enough) and keeping the sea clean and the beaches accessible. Most of the yearly money comes from tourism :D
UpwardThrust
04-08-2005, 17:18
Yes we are wimpifying kids.

I read an article in the newspaper about how colleges are trying to develope ways to keep parents from interfering with their little darlings. According to the article colleges are having to get parents distracted so that kids will be able to fill out their paperwork for college(not the tests but the actual paperwork for dorms and such) about how colleges are establishing divisions for dealing with parents that complain about how their little baby did not deserve the bad grade that they got and to deal with parents that are too controlling in terms of selecting dorm mates and the like.

I also have read an article in some psychology mag that kids today are not developing the abilities that they need to be independent. The article blames the overprotective nature of parents for wimpifying these children.

We need to give children more independence and more punishments. They need to learn not to be fools or weaklings or anything else. They need to learn that in life there is right and wrong and that what you do in life affects the person you will be.


I do speeches at collage orientation and I can back this up 100 percent
We SCHEDULE events for the parents to be in while kids fill out their applications (with qualified councilors on hand) specially during class selection
Carnivorous Lickers
04-08-2005, 17:19
I'm not talking about that sort of contact...you can still be molested, by a teacher, a coach, a priest...whatever. You aren't immune. But the kind of random child-snatching that happens in the cities is much less likely to happen in the country. People notice you if you walk onto their land, and the response is rarely friendly. Same with other crime...oh sure, your house can be robbed, and you can be murdered in your bed...but it's less likely when you've got motion-triggered floodlights and a dog, and plenty of time to grab your rifle.

or tomahawk...
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:20
or tomahawk...
No, I think most Native Americans these days prefer the more...er...modern weapons. ;)
UpwardThrust
04-08-2005, 17:20
You know you're in the heart of farmland when people have ploughing competitions. It isnt that great a spectator sport in my opinion though :p
Yup … I have seen a hay bail pickup competition :) in fact been in one or two myself
Neo Kervoskia
04-08-2005, 17:20
I remember one time I set my foot on fire, good times.
San Texario
04-08-2005, 17:21
Why don't you go somewhere more reasonable, like where I live, which has never had enough money to replace the parks (despite proposals brought up in the local legislature). Priorities instead are on fixing the awful roads (the reason why I'm not planning to get my license this year, even though I'm old enough) and keeping the sea clean and the beaches accessible. Most of the yearly money comes from tourism :D

Because I love being 15 minutes walk and a bus outside of Boston.
UpwardThrust
04-08-2005, 17:22
Because I love being 15 minutes walk and a bus outside of Boston.
Lol beats my situation where it is 7 miles to the closest bus stop and nothing but feet snowmobile or 4 w/d will make it :) (well if ya are driving a tractor 2 wd but that’s different)
Santa Barbara
04-08-2005, 17:23
What the hell are you doing back!!!??? And without informing me of this momentous occasion first? Well holy crap...good to see you!

:) I'm only here for a little while. I had nothing to do, and I saw someone arguing that libertarianism leads automatically to fascism and, well, I couldn't resist.

I don't quite agree that we are 'wimpifying' kids...but we have taken this 'sanctity of childhood' a little far. We're afraid to let them out to play, so they sit inside and play video games all day, don't do any house work, and grow up without any skills, or feeling of worth.

Well, that's basically wimpification right there. Society's fear for kids becomes their own fear. No skills, no sense of worth, no work ethic = wimpified.

Screw that. My kids are already helping me weed the garden, and if they eat some dirt along the way, no problem, because I don't use any chemicals in my yard. They 'play' at sweeping and mopping the floor (it's a pain, and takes me three times as long to clean when they're about, but it's important that they feel useful, and learn that they should help too). My daughter always helps me transfer the washed clothes to the dryer. They both 'help' me make the beds and tidy. People are afraid that making kids work is somehow stealing their childhood...which is ridiculous. You're teaching them life skills.

Or as Calvin's dad would say, you're building character.

I totally agree.
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 17:23
or tomahawk...
ROFLMCO
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 17:25
:)

Well, that's basically wimpification right there. Society's fear for kids becomes their own fear. No skills, no sense of worth, no work ethic = wimpified.


You say wimp, I say, useless. Semantics:). You know I'm always up for some antics.
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:30
Because I love being 15 minutes walk and a bus outside of Boston.
Wait a minute....Boston? You mean the one in New England? That isn't too far from where I...

*hand clapped over mouth* *man in dark suit whispers in ear* "Quiet! You're supposed to tell everyone you're an extracorporeal being that permeates the essence of the multiverse!!!"
Santa Barbara
04-08-2005, 17:31
You say wimp, I say, useless. Semantics:). You know I'm always up for some antics.

Oh I know.

You know, antics are delicacies in some parts of the world.
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:31
:) I'm only here for a little while. I had nothing to do, and I saw someone arguing that libertarianism leads automatically to fascism and, well, I couldn't resist. What the -- WHERE IS THE <deleted> THAT SAID THAT?! *stalks off*

Or as Calvin's dad would say, you're building character.
I love that comic!
Defuniak
04-08-2005, 17:47
Wimpification? I'm surprised I haven't seen a thread like this before! Wimpification will be the ultimite downfall of makind... ;) ;)
Defuniak
04-08-2005, 17:47
*Bump*
Potaria
04-08-2005, 17:50
This is somewhat spawned because of the thread about the 11 year old arrested for throwing a rock at some other kids.


Seriously, it used to be that when a kid fell down and cut their knee, they went home and their mom or dad would clean them up, dry any tears, disinfect it and slap a bandaid on it. Now you've got parents sending their kids to the emergency room for cuts and scrapes and stupid shit like that and people wonder why emergency rooms are crowded. You've got parents who sue or throw fits because their kid is being picked on at school, hell, I heard about a parent suing a school because their kid failed a class, what the hell is that shit? You've got increased allergies because parents don't let their kids go outside and play and get dirty.

Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale? Yet perfectly good swingsets and slides are being torn down and replaced with plastic pieces of garbage designed to be "safe"

Childhood isn't going to be any fun anymore and the kids are going to grow up to be wimps who freak out at the slightest injury and won't be able to deal with social situations like adults when they reach that stage, unless they plan on calling in mommy every time.

While I agree with this, the kid who got hit by that rock had his mouth cut open. SEVERELY cut open. It was a fucking 2-pound rock, for crying out loud.

Aside from that, yes: Kids are being turned into total wusses. Fuck, I didn't cry when I sliced my hand open (though I did almost black out), and neither should anyone else. If it doesn't hurt enough to warrant those emotions, don't even try.
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 17:55
*Bump*
What was that for? You just bumped it. To quote:

- Thou shalt not bump excessively, or within two hours of inactivity on the General or Role-play forums; or within twenty-four hours of inactivity on the Technical, Moderation, Gameplay, or Got Issues? forums.
Ashmoria
04-08-2005, 18:00
Lol beats my situation where it is 7 miles to the closest bus stop and nothing but feet snowmobile or 4 w/d will make it :) (well if ya are driving a tractor 2 wd but that’s different)
bus stop??

YOU GOT A BUS STOP???

lucky dog!
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 18:05
In any case, why should we surprised that kids are becoming more and more useless? So are adults! People are forgetting how to do things for themselves...they're in the habit of having others do it for them. Ready made meals, when you could cook one for scratch in the same amount of time. Tossing out a broken object and getting a new one, rather than repairing it. Relying completely on food grown on your behalf, so on and so forth, the list is endless. We live in a time of plenty, and it's making us lazy, and useless. When people don't have the money to burn, they do things themselves, and consequently develop skills.
Turkishsquirrel
04-08-2005, 18:06
YES!!! Kids are being wimpified! I'm 14 and it's going on all around me. They replace sand with friggin woodchips "so it doesn't go in people's eyes" those big playgrounds aren't on sand anymore they're on some wierd squishy crap. Movie ratings are getting sissified, game ratings are being more strict, nothing is on TV but baby cartoons, everyone's computer is parental blocked to hell (mine isn't :) ) kids don't fight anymore. Y'know how many fights there have been at my school over the past 2 years? 8-10. I mean sure it's good to sort things out in other ways, but if this is decreasing what are all the kids doing? All the pranks pulled are sissy pranks, like giving the teacher a hard time or teasing people. Cmon, what happened to the good pranks? Thumbtacks, loose screws and brick walls in hallways. All gone.
Potaria
04-08-2005, 18:11
I'm glad I grew up in Port Aransas. We had fights at school every day (fucking Elementary school fights!), and a REAL playground (20' swingsets, sand, and jungle gyms).

I never saw a sissy in that school. Not once.
The Czardaian envoy
04-08-2005, 18:13
YES!!! Kids are being wimpified! I'm 14 and it's going on all around me. They replace sand with friggin woodchips "so it doesn't go in people's eyes" those big playgrounds aren't on sand anymore they're on some wierd squishy crap. Movie ratings are getting sissified, game ratings are being more strict, nothing is on TV but baby cartoons, everyone's computer is parental blocked to hell (mine isn't :) ) kids don't fight anymore. Y'know how many fights there have been at my school over the past 2 years? 8-10. I mean sure it's good to sort things out in other ways, but if this is decreasing what are all the kids doing? All the pranks pulled are sissy pranks, like giving the teacher a hard time or teasing people. Cmon, what happened to the good pranks? Thumbtacks, loose screws and brick walls in hallways. All gone.
That is a bit...er...extreme. :eek:
E Blackadder
04-08-2005, 18:14
I remember in my first school (ages 5-11) there were huge trees to climb and a large expance of feild..no swing sets or anything like that though apart from a climbing frame and one slide...and anyway we use to climb these trees and jump off and get in fights and so forth..then one day..we were no longer allowed to climb the trees in case we suffered an injury...the only injury i ever sustained was a splinter..
Confused Empresses
04-08-2005, 18:51
Now they want to take away monkeybars and dodgeball. Come on people, get a life.

I broke my arm on monkeybars once. It taught me a very valuable life lesson: bend your arms when you land. :rolleyes: In my defense, I was only seven. I've had a lot of injuries, and none of them ever killed me. They taught me that there are worse things than broken bones and cuts, and that life's not always fair. Very few people younger than me (under 15) understand either of these, and most people older than me haven't really learned them either. I have four cousins under the age of six, and all of them have been raised to be afraid of the world but also to think that they'll still get whatever they want. They think that the whole world revolves around them. They're going to be very surprised and confused once they see what the world's really like. It might be years before that happens, considering that their parents are as bad as them.
[NS]Parthini
04-08-2005, 19:01
That reminds me of a theory I have. When I was in the 6th grade, all of my friends were pretty strong and tall. But when I went off to school in Austin (I live in South Texas) all the 6th graders are as small as like 1st graders. My theory is that it's all the Whole Foods food. Fake, processed food, like my mom gave me, made me strong, while real meat and things like salads at McDonalds are ruining children's muscles!! BRING BACK THE SUPERSIZE!!!
Refused Party Program
04-08-2005, 19:03
Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale?


I still do this all the time. I have perma-scars on my knees.
Ruledaworld
04-08-2005, 19:06
i say we ship all the kids off 2 military school and give them guns to run around and toughen up with! :mp5: :sniper: then maybe they wont be 'wimps' as u say :headbang:
Teh_pantless_hero
04-08-2005, 19:19
If I have kids, I will make my backyard look like the classic playground death trap: sand everywhere (or even WOOD CHIPS, as if metal out in the sun all day wasn't bad enough); a 5 foot in diameter merry-go-round; 7 foot high metal slide; some 10 feet of monkey bars; and the damndest of them all: the see-saw (which usually didn't even have wood chips because it knocked them out of the way, it had hard earth packed together by repeated hits from fat kids using the seesaw or kids dropping from its highest point by other kids that turned into 2 foot deep mudholes when it rained)
Holyawesomeness
04-08-2005, 19:24
i say we ship all the kids off 2 military school and give them guns to run around and toughen up with! :mp5: :sniper: then maybe they wont be 'wimps' as u say :headbang:
Military school and compulsory military service would probably help the problem. Kids would become strong tough and independent because they would have to or they would be made to suffer cruel terrible things(not exceedingly cruel or terrible).
The Eastern-Coalition
04-08-2005, 19:31
Definitely.

When you hear tales of school sports days 'not being about winning' because they don't want children to lose in competitions anymore, you know the next generation is going to be so screwed up and incapable of doing anything that society is on a downward spiral to nowhere.
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 19:38
Definitely.

When you hear tales of school sports days 'not being about winning' because they don't want children to lose in competitions anymore, you know the next generation is going to be so screwed up and incapable of doing anything that society is on a downward spiral to nowhere.
Hehehehee...most of you folks on this thread are already part of that generation:)[/jk]
Swimmingpool
04-08-2005, 19:40
This is somewhat spawned because of the thread about the 11 year old arrested for throwing a rock at some other kids.

Seriously, it used to be that when a kid fell down and cut their knee, they went home and their mom or dad would clean them up, dry any tears, disinfect it and slap a bandaid on it. Now you've got parents sending their kids to the emergency room for cuts and scrapes and stupid shit like that and people wonder why emergency rooms are crowded. You've got parents who sue or throw fits because their kid is being picked on at school, hell, I heard about a parent suing a school because their kid failed a class, what the hell is that shit? You've got increased allergies because parents don't let their kids go outside and play and get dirty.

Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale? Yet perfectly good swingsets and slides are being torn down and replaced with plastic pieces of garbage designed to be "safe"

Childhood isn't going to be any fun anymore and the kids are going to grow up to be wimps who freak out at the slightest injury and won't be able to deal with social situations like adults when they reach that stage, unless they plan on calling in mommy every time.
It's because people have too much money, too many lawyers and too much access to courts. The society is becoming increasingly litigious and the insurance companies are only encouraging it.
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 19:41
It's because people have too much money, too many lawyers and too much access to courts. The society is becoming increasingly litigious and the insurance companies are only encouraging it.
I hope Canada remains far behind the US in that regard!
CSW
04-08-2005, 19:41
i say we ship all the kids off 2 military school and give them guns to run around and toughen up with! :mp5: :sniper: then maybe they wont be 'wimps' as u say :headbang:
Maybe they would even learn such arcane arts such as "spelling" or "grammar" or even "punctuation" and "capitalization"
The Eastern-Coalition
04-08-2005, 19:46
Hehehehee...most of you folks on this thread are already part of that generation:)[/jk]

Not really regarding things like the sports day rubbish, that was still competitive when I was at school, but yeah, even my generation was over-protected. I'm already at the end of that downward spiral though, so I'm beyond help :D.
MI Cap Troopers
04-08-2005, 19:55
Only parents who have both seen military service, or who have the proper discipline and frame of mind should be allowed to have children. It makes sense to me, and it would finish that and many other problems I'm sure.
MI Cap Troopers
04-08-2005, 19:59
i say we ship all the kids off 2 military school and give them guns to run around and toughen up with! :mp5: :sniper: then maybe they wont be 'wimps' as u say :headbang: That too, I agree with you completely.
Aldranin
04-08-2005, 20:22
Seriously, it used to be that when a kid fell down and cut their knee, they went home and their mom or dad would clean them up, dry any tears, disinfect it and slap a bandaid on it.

It did? Your parents must have really liked you. My parents never disinfected a single cut or scrape I got. Maybe they were hoping that the wound would become infected and I'd die painfully. At least that's what helps me sleep at night - I'd prefer to think their neglect was intentional and they weren't just fucking retarded. I hate stupid people.

Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale? Yet perfectly good swingsets and slides are being torn down and replaced with plastic pieces of garbage designed to be "safe"

Hell, yes! When I was ten I got knocked off one of those slides by a "friend" (asshole) and landed on my head. I thought it was awesome when I woke up a minute or two later.

Childhood isn't going to be any fun anymore and the kids are going to grow up to be wimps who freak out at the slightest injury and won't be able to deal with social situations like adults when they reach that stage, unless they plan on calling in mommy every time.

Agreed.
Flobin
04-08-2005, 20:50
One of the problems I see is that kids can't find anything to do outside. When I was a kid (i'm only 20 now) I went out and climbed trees, which they can't do because nowadays when a kid falls out, the parents sue the local council, so the council cuts off the lower branches on all the trees in their duristiction so kids can't climb them and they can't get sued. You don't see kids climbing trees, because in most places, they can't reach. Play equipment (swings etc.) are being torn down or replaced with crap because a kid falls off, and (you guessed it) the parents sue the local council, who has no choice but to remove the equipment because it can't afford any more financial blows. If stupid people didn't sue for accidents that are nobodys fault (just a risk of climbing a tree), then kids would be much better off.

Another problem is that every large space of greenland in cities (even some city parks) are being slowly bought up to build houses. In alot of cases kids can't even find somewhere to kick a football (and the places they do find they get shifted off because they are close to houses and residents call the police to move them (or do it themselves)). The city of Manchester, UK where I live the police currently is able to escort any person under 16, not in adult company, to their home if they are in a group of 3 or more after 8pm, or at any time if a complaint about them is phoned in. So when kids try to go out in the long, light evenings of the summer months to have a game of something, they get taken home by the police.

My final point is about skateboarding, rollerblading and BMXing. We are constantly being told about kids not getting out enough and not getting any exercise. We are constantly bombarded by reports of gangs of teenagers comitting petty crime and random acts of violence, and one of the main reasons always sited for this behaviour is that they are bored. There is nothing for them to do. But as soon as a kid finds a physically active, outdoorsy hobby, skateboarding, we throw them off ever patch of land they try to play on (except for that 10 meter squared patch somewhere where we've thrown together a shoddy collection of tiny ramps (not too big, we don't want to get sued) that we quite often charge them for the privilage of using). They can't skate down streets, they can't skate in town squares, outside buildings, on steps, near benches. Ever peice of viable skating furnature has been fastooned with anti-grind rails and the surrounding area covered in "No Skating" signs. I mean seriously, have you ever been to any city/town square where (except for at special events) every bench has been in use? Where it is too crowded for people to easily bypass a small area around an item of street furnature so a group of kids can take some excersise and have a bit of fun? I certainly haven't, yet we insist on removing these "troublemakers" because, for some reason, society just doesn't like what they are dong. Its just plain stupid!
Sezyou
04-08-2005, 21:38
Yall had playgrounds? IN my second elementary school in the mid 70's we had nothing to play with whatsoever so at recess we were released to go do whatever.... Nobody gave a damn if we had anything. No police at the crosswalks or holding traffic while 3 million school busses force their right to clog up traffic. Oh and on the old slides...yep nothing like burning your ass off sliding down one of those in 100 degree heat! why not prevent an injury if you can? Im for compromise not too much stifling.
Agnostic Deeishpeople
04-08-2005, 21:40
as long as boys are not being treated different than girls, meanning boys shoudlnt be expected to be tougher, than we have a deal.

And yeah, fuck that. Throwing rock is stupid and wrong. If you want to do play fighting, than do it with your own kid, dont fuck with others.

Dont tell me to expect to get bully and than tell me to live with it. No one has a right to fucking assult or bully another person. If you want to do that, go live in a prision.

And you know what? I think this is an exageration, boys are still getting beat up in schools , all is well in the world. :rolleyes:
M3rcenaries
04-08-2005, 21:47
you are right dakni, parents are way overprotective. Throwing rocks!!? wtf. I was in grade school not too long ago and we always through rocks! and had other agressive behavior. kids will be kids. If they get out of hand, then the parents punish them. Its as simple as that. I think kids are being turned into wimps :mp5:
Lunatic Goofballs
04-08-2005, 22:07
Knife fighting is for pussies. Knife juggling is the real macho sport, because if they fuck up they only have their own incompetence to blame. It toughens them mentally and physically.

It's not that hard. Try juggling a knife, an axe and a canteloupe. That's challenging. *nod*
Sinuhue
04-08-2005, 22:17
And you know what? I think this is an exageration, boys are still getting beat up in schools , all is well in the world. :rolleyes:
Yup. Girls too, but still not to the same extent.
Lunatic Goofballs
04-08-2005, 22:20
I worry about my son.

I was involved(both on the giving and receiving end) of some very vicious pranks, hazing and all around mischief. I never received worse than a 1 day in-school suspension. If I did the sorts of things I did in High School now, I'd be expelled. Or worse, arrested! You simply can't duct-tape your classmates naked to toilets anymore. :(

You can't stuff someone's locker full of cow manure. You can't throw someone into the hall naked and barricade the locker room door. You can't throw kids into the shower with their clothes on. Hell, most kids don't even shower after phys ed anymore. Food fights? Nope. Wedgies are sexual assault now?!? :eek:.

*shakes head* It's really sad what things are coming to. My son is going to have to be twice as creative and four times as discrete as I was just to avoid jail! :(
ChuChulainn
04-08-2005, 22:23
I worry about my son.

I was involved(both on the giving and receiving end) of some very vicious pranks, hazing and all around mischief. I never received worse than a 1 day in-school suspension. If I did the sorts of things I did in High School now, I'd be expelled. Or worse, arrested! You simply can't duct-tape your classmates naked to toilets anymore. :(

You can't stuff someone's locker full of cow manure. You can't throw someone into the hall naked and barricade the locker room door. You can't throw kids into the shower with their clothes on. Hell, most kids don't even shower after phys ed anymore. Food fights? Nope. Wedgies are sexual assault now?!? :eek:.

*shakes head* It's really sad what things are coming to. My son is going to have to be twice as creative and four times as discrete as I was just to avoid jail! :(

I remember the days when people were spraying deoderant onto the front of others boxers and then lighting them up while the wearer was using them...........I also remember the panic on the prankers faces when it wouldnt go out.........I also remember the panic on the victims face when they decided to stamp on his crotch to put out the flames
Lunatic Goofballs
04-08-2005, 22:26
I remember the days when people were spraying deoderant onto the front of others boxers and then lighting them up while the wearer was using them...........I also remember the panic on the prankers faces when it wouldnt go out.........I also remember the panic on the victims face when they decided to stamp on his crotch to put out the flames

Ah, the good ol' days. *sighs*
Agnostic Deeishpeople
04-08-2005, 22:29
oh the good old days..

you used to be able to beat up queers whenever you want and at wherever you want.

and whats up with the anti-bullying policies?

Boys will be boys. :rolleyes:

now its all gone. *tears*
Corneliu
04-08-2005, 22:35
oh the good old days..

you used to be able to beat up queers whenever you want and at wherever you want.

and whats up with the anti-bullying policies?

Boys will be boys. :rolleyes:

now its all gone. *tears*

Hell even I punched out a few bullies in my own right. Got to a point where no one ever bothered me again. I did make friends in the process of knocking out bullies too! :D
ChuChulainn
04-08-2005, 22:36
Hell even I punched out a few bullies in my own right. Got to a point where no one ever bothered me again. I did make friends in the process of knocking out bullies too! :D

You got lucky. Last time I tried that I got suspended for 3 days
Lunatic Goofballs
04-08-2005, 22:39
oh the good old days..

you used to be able to beat up queers whenever you want and at wherever you want.

and whats up with the anti-bullying policies?

Boys will be boys. :rolleyes:

now its all gone. *tears*

My sarcasm sense is tingling... ;)
Corneliu
04-08-2005, 22:40
You got lucky. Last time I tried that I got suspended for 3 days

Who said I didn't get suspended? :D
Moehomeia
04-08-2005, 22:44
I'm 11 (have permission from parents) And we are not wimps
Antser
04-08-2005, 22:54
bah... i'm 16 and i could seriously say that we are becoming wimps.... i have a number of friends who would freak out if they got a scrape. U guys would be surprised what necessity can do... another of my friends has a serious allergic reaction to milk... if he drinks it he needs to self-administer an epi-pen injection. If we needed to be tougher then we would be. We are to sheltered from the real world. :mp5: :sniper: :gundge:
STDfff
04-08-2005, 23:03
Well im not sheltered my mom lets me go out an do anything i want I used to get spanked for doing something bad not sent to time out tought me to learn to take pain my dad tought me to fight and when some bullie was meesin with me i beat the crap out of him and got a warning for "bulliying" Then i was mooned in the bathroom and i broke the guys nose and was expelled from school so now my parent have to home school me But no one in my neighborhood messes with me now and if i got a scrape i just keep on goin So what if the slide is 100 degrees Pain doesent bother me too much
Lunatic Goofballs
04-08-2005, 23:03
ANd is it my imagination, or are kids afraid to touch eachother? It seems that except for the few that actually engage in contact sports, kids go out of their way to avoid touching. Hell, when I was young, I could hardly take ten steps while walking with my friend without trying to throw him to the ground, trip him or otherwise cause him as much embarrassment as possible. To be honest, I'm still like that. :p
Lunatic Goofballs
04-08-2005, 23:04
Well im not sheltered my mom lets me go out an do anything i want I used to get spanked for doing something bad not sent to time out tought me to learn to take pain my dad tought me to fight and when some bullie was meesin with me i beat the crap out of him and got a warning for "bulliying" Then i was mooned in the bathroom and i broke the guys nose and was expelled from school so now my parent have to home school me But no one in my neighborhood messes with me now and if i got a scrape i just keep on goin So what if the slide is 100 degrees Pain doesent bother me too much

You broke a kid's nose for mooning you? What, didn't you have a pencil handy? :D
The Great Sixth Reich
04-08-2005, 23:10
as long as boys are not being treated different than girls, meanning boys shoudlnt be expected to be tougher, than we have a deal.

And yeah, fuck that. Throwing rock is stupid and wrong. If you want to do play fighting, than do it with your own kid, dont fuck with others.

Dont tell me to expect to get bully and than tell me to live with it. No one has a right to fucking assult or bully another person. If you want to do that, go live in a prision.

And you know what? I think this is an exageration, boys are still getting beat up in schools , all is well in the world. :rolleyes:

Finally somebody in this thread that I agree with...

And also (not to you, but everybody else): STOP GENERALIZING CHILDREN! Everybody is different, and not everybody is born perfect.
ChuChulainn
04-08-2005, 23:13
ANd is it my imagination, or are kids afraid to touch eachother? It seems that except for the few that actually engage in contact sports, kids go out of their way to avoid touching. Hell, when I was young, I could hardly take ten steps while walking with my friend without trying to throw him to the ground, trip him or otherwise cause him as much embarrassment as possible. To be honest, I'm still like that. :p

My brother and I both played Rugby from the age of 10 so I wouldnt say its too big a problem. Not here anyway
Alablablania
04-08-2005, 23:18
Now they want to take away monkeybars and dodgeball. Come on people, get a life.

I LOVE DODGEBALL!!!!!!!! I am only 14 and i love it when i play dodgeball. And that crap about it hurting someone's little wimpy fat kid's self-esteem is the dumbest thing i have ever heard, that is just some stupid thing that some stupid overprotective parents said so their little baby didn't have to do anything athletic and then lose, besides it is probably their fault that their kid is an overweight loser, buying him an x-box or whatever and letting him sit on his fat butt and going to McDonalds every day. No wonder obesity is now an "epidemic"
Aylestone
04-08-2005, 23:23
There is a simple way to deal with it all.
First make sueing much, much harder. Make it so that any frivilous cases are immediately dissmissed and the plantiffs charged money for even suggesting it.
Second stop kids from playing video-games when it is a glorious day outside.
Third, and most important, get rid of the "nanny" state.

Oh and make kids do a lot more excercise, they are getting far to fat.
If you are in Britain, take up D of E. In America, go outside into a national park or whatever and venture more than 200 yards from the car, walk into town if it is less than 5 miles, and eat real food.
Everyone seems obsessed with perfect health etc these days, and it is getting ridiculous! I was in the Brecon Beacons recently, and one of my group managed to break his ankle falling among some baby-heads. He still walked the last 8 miles back to the road, despite repeated offers to help him. Why is it that people seem afraid of everything these days!
I'm going to stop now and have a lie down.
Aldranin
04-08-2005, 23:26
I'm 11 (have permission from parents) And we are not wimps

That you felt it necessary to point out that you had permission proves the point of the poster. Pussy. ;)
STDfff
04-08-2005, 23:37
yes stop genneralising like somebody said 14 year olds were wimps? im 14 an not a wimp

its was a bad day that day lol besides i learned he had done it to other people too I play video gmaes just not every day I go outside with my friends we go hunting in the woods,race dirtbikes, go knock on someones door then leave quickly :p lol
Aldranin
04-08-2005, 23:44
yes stop genneralising like somebody said 14 year olds were wimps? im 14 an not a wimp

its was a bad day that day lol besides i learned he had done it to other people too I play video gmaes just not every day I go outside with my friends we go hunting in the woods,race dirtbikes, go knock on someones door then leave quickly :p lol

Stay in school. :rolleyes:
Aylestone
04-08-2005, 23:45
I second the motion.
STDfff
04-08-2005, 23:47
im still in school lol i was just expelled not told i could never learn anything else
Aldranin
04-08-2005, 23:51
im still in school lol i was just expelled not told i could never learn anything else

I'm sorry for your loss. I tutor for $40 an hour, but I'll give you my high school price of $20, simply for the sake of not having to decipher your sentences when you post here.
Aylestone
04-08-2005, 23:53
You got expelled?! Now that is just plain silly. Oh well it's summer hols at the moment so you are ok on that front, I just hope for your sake that you get a place somewhere for the new term.
Refused Party Program
05-08-2005, 00:13
Or worse, arrested! You simply can't duct-tape your classmates naked to toilets anymore. :(


When I was in college (that's the last 2 years of high school for you sdrawkcab Americans) a group of us duct taped a classmate to a chair in the middle of the coomon room naked. He even volunteered to do it (okay, he didn't volunteer for the naked part :D ). We left him there during lessons and he was found eventually by a teacher. But being a good sport (and fearing a savage lynching) he took one for the team and got suspended.
The Great Sixth Reich
05-08-2005, 00:33
I LOVE DODGEBALL!!!!!!!! I am only 14 and i love it when i play dodgeball. And that crap about it hurting someone's little wimpy fat kid's self-esteem is the dumbest thing i have ever heard, that is just some stupid thing that some stupid overprotective parents said so their little baby didn't have to do anything athletic and then lose, besides it is probably their fault that their kid is an overweight loser, buying him an x-box or whatever and letting him sit on his fat butt and going to McDonalds every day. No wonder obesity is now an "epidemic"

Maybe you should read the post two posts ahead of yours:

STOP GENERALIZING CHILDREN! Everybody is different, and not everybody is born perfect.

Elaboration: Calling everybody stupid doesn't make your agrument very strong. In fact, I don't even consider it. Dodgeball isn't really a very athletic sport. There's no organization for the most part, which means players don't even have to get sweaty. A better sport in gym classes would be something that actually works the muscles and improves stamina, such as rowing (yes, I know that's not very practical for most schools, but that's just an example).
Dakini
05-08-2005, 03:07
While I agree with this, the kid who got hit by that rock had his mouth cut open. SEVERELY cut open. It was a fucking 2-pound rock, for crying out loud.
Is there some picture of this injury floating around that I've missed? I woudl like to see this wound. Especially since last I heard, it was on the kid's forehead.

And also, my bf has so damn many scars from chidlhood, hell, he's missing a small chunk of ear from when he fell on the ice and a kid skated over him while playing hockey. He has been knocked unconscious for decently long periods of time playfighting with his brother and not seen any medical attention. Seriously, unless we're dealing with an injury that simply won't stop bleeding, chances are sending the kid to the emergency room was not only excessive, but a waste of the doctor's time.

Aside from that, yes: Kids are being turned into total wusses. Fuck, I didn't cry when I sliced my hand open (though I did almost black out), and neither should anyone else. If it doesn't hurt enough to warrant those emotions, don't even try.
Crying is one thing. Getting sent off to the emergency room is another. I remember crying over cuts a couple times, but after getting cleaned and bandaged up, everything's ok.
Dakini
05-08-2005, 03:11
ANd is it my imagination, or are kids afraid to touch eachother? It seems that except for the few that actually engage in contact sports, kids go out of their way to avoid touching. Hell, when I was young, I could hardly take ten steps while walking with my friend without trying to throw him to the ground, trip him or otherwise cause him as much embarrassment as possible. To be honest, I'm still like that. :p
I think about 90% of the kids around here, boys at least, play hockey.

My bf has determined that when we have kids, even if they're girls, they're playing hockey.

I'm going to be the only person in my future, hypothetical family who can hardly skate. :(
Potaria
05-08-2005, 03:14
Is there some picture of this injury floating around that I've missed? I woudl like to see this wound. Especially since last I heard, it was on the kid's forehead.

Well, the pic they showed on CNN had a censor bar on his mouth, and an article in the Houston Chronicle said that the girl threw a 2lb. stone at him, not some small rock.
Plainwell Nation
05-08-2005, 03:16
It's not just kids, everytime someone is driving like a jackass I flip the bird, yell threats and insults, beep my horn a few times, and try to make them pull over, but nobody EVER retaliates...

Kind of off topic, but I think that there should be like an emergenct room doorman to make sure that it is an emergency.
Dakini
05-08-2005, 03:16
It did? Your parents must have really liked you. My parents never disinfected a single cut or scrape I got. Maybe they were hoping that the wound would become infected and I'd die painfully. At least that's what helps me sleep at night - I'd prefer to think their neglect was intentional and they weren't just fucking retarded. I hate stupid people.
Ah, see, I'm the first born, so they were extra paranoid about me. Plus I'm sure my mom got some sort of satisfaction from the knowledge that the bactine stung horribly.

And actually, my dad didn't do any disinfecting, the sight of blood is why he got a PhD instead of an MD.
Dakini
05-08-2005, 03:17
Well, the pic they showed on CNN had a censor bar on his mouth, and an article in the Houston Chronicle said that the girl threw a 2lb. stone at him, not some small rock.
A 2 lb stone is still small.

And furthermore, she probably grabbed what was handy. If you can dig up a picture of this horrific injury though, I would be interested in seeing it.
Potaria
05-08-2005, 03:19
A 2 lb stone is still small.

And furthermore, she probably grabbed what was handy. If you can dig up a picture of this horrific injury though, I would be interested in seeing it.

There aren't any pics (just the one with the censor bar, and I don't even know where that is), and I can't fucking find the article now.

That really makes me look like an ass. Ugh.
Dragons Bay
05-08-2005, 03:21
Ridiculous. Instead of teaching children to fight, why don't we teach children to make peace with each other???
Potaria
05-08-2005, 03:22
Ridiculous. Instead of teaching children to fight, why don't we teach children to make peace with each other???

That would be nice, but sadly, things aren't quite the way they should be...
STDfff
05-08-2005, 03:38
heh i did break the guys nose and he never hit me or anything lol u only get suspened for a week if someone hits u first an u hit back
Flobin
05-08-2005, 03:50
oh the good old days..

you used to be able to beat up queers whenever you want and at wherever you want.

and whats up with the anti-bullying policies?

Boys will be boys. :rolleyes:

now its all gone. *tears*

I hpe you don't mean queers as in homosexuals. If you don't then fair play. if you do then go to hell! I am not homosexual myself but the "Queer Bashing" thing (whether in a verbal or physical sense) is one of the main factors in preventing our world from becoming a more civilised, tolorent place.
The Great Sixth Reich
05-08-2005, 04:53
I hpe you don't mean queers as in homosexuals. If you don't then fair play. if you do then go to hell! I am not homosexual myself but the "Queer Bashing" thing (whether in a verbal or physical sense) is one of the main factors in preventing our world from becoming a more civilised, tolorent place.

You should research smilies more carefully. He's using the sarcastic smily. Which means you just told someone who has the same opinion as you to "go to hell!". :)
[NS]Ghost Stalker
05-08-2005, 05:29
I remember back in the 5th grade at my school they took out the old good wood and steel playtoys, sure you got splinters and it burned like hell when you went down the slide, but they were very fun to play on. Then the school put a parking lot over the site were those toys were and replaced them with those crappy plastic ones. In order to have fun we had to improvise our fun, like walking on top of the monkey bars, or going to the highest point on the toys and jumping off, unfortanetly we got in trouble for those things but we still did it.

That was elementary school, and it was in the suburbs, then in middle school I started going to a school out in the countryside, and it was way different, they still had those old wooden toys and they were taken down because they were falling apart. But what was the main difference at the country school and the suburban school was how much more relaxed people were at the country school about what there kids were getting into. hell there are Traintracks right across the street from my high school(which I now go to, but the el school, mid & high school are next to each other), and a train derailed a few months ago, and everybody saw that, now I don't think that would be sheltering kids now if they saw a train derail.
Freeunitedstates
05-08-2005, 05:32
"IN bringing up a boy, one should first encourage a sense of valor. From the time he is young the child should liken his parents to the master, and learn everyday politeness and etiquette, the serving of other people, the ways of speech, and even the correct way of walking down the street. The elders were taught in the same fashion. When he does not put effort into these things, he should be scolded and made to go the entire day without eating. This is also one of the disciplines of a retainer.
AS for a girl, it is most important to teach her chastity from the time she is a child. She should not be in the company of a man at a distance of less than six feet, nor should she meet them eye to eye, nor should she receive things from them directly from hand to hand. Neither should she go sightseeing or take trips to temples. A woman who has been brought up striclty and has endured suffering at her own home will suffer no ennui after she is married.
IN dealing with younger children one should use rewards and punishments. If one is lax in being sure that they do as they are told, young children will become self-interested and will later be involved in wrongdoings. It is something about which one should be very careful."
-Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsunetomo
Gessler
05-08-2005, 06:04
This is somewhat spawned because of the thread about the 11 year old arrested for throwing a rock at some other kids.
Seriously, it used to be that when a kid fell down and cut their knee, they went home and their mom or dad would clean them up, dry any tears, disinfect it and slap a bandaid on it. Now you've got parents sending their kids to the emergency room for cuts and scrapes and stupid shit like that and people wonder why emergency rooms are crowded. You've got parents who sue or throw fits because their kid is being picked on at school, hell, I heard about a parent suing a school because their kid failed a class, what the hell is that shit? You've got increased allergies because parents don't let their kids go outside and play and get dirty.
Hell, even playground equipment is getting injury proof. How many people here have fallen off a jungle gym and lived to tell the tale? Yet perfectly good swingsets and slides are being torn down and replaced with plastic pieces of garbage designed to be "safe"
Childhood isn't going to be any fun anymore and the kids are going to grow up to be wimps who freak out at the slightest injury and won't be able to deal with social situations like adults when they reach that stage, unless they plan on calling in mommy every time.

This is what happens when you take dad out of the equation, you get soft kids that run crying to mummy all the time, she likes the attention, so inadvertantly she encourages them growing up to become sooks and wimps.
Whereas Dad wont fuss as much, so inadvertantly he creates kids who are more resilant and careful, of course over his little princess he might sometimes fuss alot I grant.
Also litigation lawyers are taking advantage of this situation, the soft irresponsible, silly generation are a gold mine to use against each other, by encouraging people to sue over any injury, because they have been bought up with no thought of responsibility, the child running off crying to mum and dad, is now the adult running off crying for money.
Gessler
05-08-2005, 06:10
"IN bringing up a boy, one should first encourage a sense of valor. From the time he is young the child should liken his parents to the master, and learn everyday politeness and etiquette, the serving of other people, the ways of speech, and even the correct way of walking down the street. The elders were taught in the same fashion. When he does not put effort into these things, he should be scolded and made to go the entire day without eating. This is also one of the disciplines of a retainer.
AS for a girl, it is most important to teach her chastity from the time she is a child. She should not be in the company of a man at a distance of less than six feet, nor should she meet them eye to eye, nor should she receive things from them directly from hand to hand. Neither should she go sightseeing or take trips to temples. A woman who has been brought up striclty and has endured suffering at her own home will suffer no ennui after she is married.
IN dealing with younger children one should use rewards and punishments. If one is lax in being sure that they do as they are told, young children will become self-interested and will later be involved in wrongdoings. It is something about which one should be very careful."
-Hagakure, Yamamoto Tsunetomo

Sounds alot better than pregnant 14 year olds taking ecstacy in the bedroom, or out of control 16 year old boys vandalising everything in sight with no respect for anyone, but of course, those above values are of no use for today, are they.
The Great Sixth Reich
05-08-2005, 06:30
This is what happens when you take dad out of the equation, you get soft kids that run crying to mummy all the time, she likes the attention, so inadvertantly she encourages them growing up to become sooks and wimps.
Whereas Dad wont fuss as much, so inadvertantly he creates kids who are more resilant and careful, of course over his little princess he might sometimes fuss alot I grant.
Also litigation lawyers are taking advantage of this situation, the soft irresponsible, silly generation are a gold mine to use against each other, by encouraging people to sue over any injury, because they have been bought up with no thought of responsibility, the child running off crying to mum and dad, is now the adult running off crying for money.

It's the opposite. Father's tend to be more violent and oppresive, which causes children to develop more fearful. Mother's tend to be more careing and less dominant, and it isn't unusal for men to become violently protective of their mothers. For a good example of how tough boys can be when raised with only a mother, read Homer's The Odyssey, with the character Telemachus. Also, your post, as with most other posts in here, are completely unthoughtful to certain groups of people. In this case, your discriminating against those who have mental defects that cause them to be over anxious, and need somebody to calm them down.
Glinde Nessroe
05-08-2005, 06:40
Throwing rocks....we should be throwing blenders at them, set to puree.
Gessler
05-08-2005, 07:49
[QUOTE=The Great Sixth Reich]It's the opposite. Father's tend to be more violent and oppresive, which causes children to develop more fearful.

Some fathers are violent and oppressive, but most are kind and loving, being not over protective causes children to grow up more daring and freespirited, but they have to be disciplined. nevertheless.

Mother's tend to be more careing and less dominant, and it isn't unusal for men to become violently protective of their mothers.

That caring is the dominance unfortunately, it smothers kids into growing up full of fear, women have atendancy to overnurture children to the point of keeping them trapped as babiies, the nurchering essential to babys and young kids, becomes nuturing if not stopped.

For a good example of how tough boys can be when raised with only a mother, read Homer's The Odyssey, with the character Telemachus.

And this is the rule is it? Unfortunately the opposite is usually the case for most.


Also, your post, as with most other posts in here, are completely unthoughtful to certain groups of people. In this case, your discriminating against those who have mental defects that cause them to be over anxious, and need somebody to calm them down.

So sue me.
Freeunitedstates
06-08-2005, 02:18
Sounds alot better than pregnant 14 year olds taking ecstacy in the bedroom, or out of control 16 year old boys vandalising everything in sight with no respect for anyone, but of course, those above values are of no use for today, are they.

The values of respect, honesty, honor, selflessness, sacrifice, helping others, dignity, and duty are of no use of today? :confused:
LazyHippies
06-08-2005, 02:54
Sounds like this may be an issue primarily in urban centers (blue states). Here in the more rural areas (red states), youth sports are all the rage. Baseball, basketball, soccer, football, etc. Then theres the outdoors stuff: hunting, fishing, scouting, camping, etc. Around here kids have the opposite problem to what has been described in this thread. They dont have enough time to sit at home and relax and play video games. Are they growing up to be tougher? I dont know, maybe. But they are growing up with far more stress than the city kids, that has got to be bad for your mental health.
Gessler
06-08-2005, 06:58
The values of respect, honesty, honor, selflessness, sacrifice, helping others, dignity, and duty are of no use of today? :confused:

Sarcasm. Not that I use it much.
Asylum Nova
06-08-2005, 07:30
It just boils down to individual needs...there's no right way or wrong way to raise a child...some children do best when they are safe and secure from any harm...while some children do better when they're left to their own devices. It's simply up for the parents, or family unit to observe the child and figure out what method works best...

-Asylum Nova
Cardamoi
06-08-2005, 07:51
Well, compare a modern 14 year old male with a 14 year old male in the 10th century. Modernism itself seems to be about turning people of all ages into wimpier versions of humanity.

Part of that could be due to the fact that life in general is easier these days, more survivable. Back then people were lucky to live to the age of 50, so they had to fit their living into a shorter frame. People grew up younger because they had to.
UpwardThrust
08-08-2005, 14:09
as long as boys are not being treated different than girls, meanning boys shoudlnt be expected to be tougher, than we have a deal.

And yeah, fuck that. Throwing rock is stupid and wrong. If you want to do play fighting, than do it with your own kid, dont fuck with others.

Dont tell me to expect to get bully and than tell me to live with it. No one has a right to fucking assult or bully another person. If you want to do that, go live in a prision.

And you know what? I think this is an exageration, boys are still getting beat up in schools , all is well in the world. :rolleyes:
Sense when has been assaulting someone in prison alright last time I checked you could be charged with that crime as well
Liskeinland
08-08-2005, 15:30
ANd is it my imagination, or are kids afraid to touch eachother? It seems that except for the few that actually engage in contact sports, kids go out of their way to avoid touching. Hell, when I was young, I could hardly take ten steps while walking with my friend without trying to throw him to the ground, trip him or otherwise cause him as much embarrassment as possible. To be honest, I'm still like that. :p
Ooh, I hate it when people do that to me, I tend to go crazy… and I have to put real effort into being crazy, given that I'm only about 5'4" at 16 years.

I can't really say whether kids are turning into wimps, I only know one like that and it's his parents' fault really for not disciplining him - his brother's a great friend of mine though. Lucky me that my brother and I are disciplined… not physically, but I think I've grown up moderately balanced ;) - and I was an only child for twelve years. Maybe if parents have more kids, they can't overprotect them to the same extent?

EDIT/ I know it sounds clichéd, but kids nowadays have no respect - and this is coming from a teenager. Parents should instill respect for everyone, not just elders, in their kids. Important to distinguish between respect and fear, though.