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Just wondering, really...

As in political right, supported and protected by law? No.

I'd like to think we all deserve to be respected and loved, but as to whether it is a right per se, no it is not.

What...are you talking about psychos and/or real jerks, or all people? Well, I think that every human upon birth has a right to be loved, yes. There is, however, no way of enforcing that. I think it's terrible that many people aren't loved, not by their families, or by others. I think a lot could be avoided if love were given more often...the Beatles said it best.

Are you feeling unloved? *hands you a Valentine*

Children who have done nothing wrong deserve to be loved. Beyond that, if they foul it up for themselves, then to hell with them. If a teenager attacks and almost kills his parents, they have every right to stop loving their kid.

What...are you talking about psychos and/or real jerks, or all people? Well, I think that every human upon birth has a right to be loved, yes. There is, however, no way of enforcing that. I think it's terrible that many people aren't loved, not by their families, or by others. I think a lot could be avoided if love were given more often...the Beatles said it best.

Are you feeling unloved? *hands you a Valentine*

Everybody, really. I was just wondering because a friend told me recently that he believed everybody has the right to be loved, to which I replied that not everybody has the right, but some have the luck.... and then we had a 3-hour-argument.

Thanks for the Valentine :)

We only wanted to be loved... We only wanted to be loved...

Of course, everyone has the right.

Your post makes no sense. Elaborate.

Well, there are two possibilities here:

1. You have the right to be loved. If nobody loves you, the government will appoint someone to love you.

2. You have no right to be loved. If somebody loves you, the government will arrest you and send you to a concentration camp until those who love you stop doing so.

Since those are the only two possibilities, and neither of them is true, then logically you must not exist.

:p

Wow... 3 "I hate you all"s... :eek:

I want the right to be 'loved' by Melkor :D

Wow. Leave it to a tool to somehow mention President Bush on this thread.


No-everyone doesnt have the "right" to be loved.
Being loved is a privilege.

You do have the right to work toward earning it though.

Well, I am not sure about a "right" to be loved. In a perfect world everyone would love and be loved but I do not see how in a practical sense such a right could be maintained. Besides, I am not sure that a psychopathic, drug-abusing, sadistic, satan-worshipping(or self-worshipping or death worshipping or any other obscene thing worshipping) cannibal should be loved just for the protection of the one who is trying to love them.

I think everyone has the right to be loved, whether someone actually loves them is another question entirely.

Just having the right to be loved is very different from mandatory everybody must have someone who loves them.

Well, there are two possibilities here:

1. You have the right to be loved. If nobody loves you, the government will appoint someone to love you.

2. You have no right to be loved. If somebody loves you, the government will arrest you and send you to a concentration camp until those who love you stop doing so.

Since those are the only two possibilities, and neither of them is true, then logically you must not exist.

:p
Ahh! I do not exist, man that stinks.

Well, that is not entirely logical(it is funny :D ) We have a right to eat but that does not mean that the government will enforce it.(maybe the republicans will enforce your eating habits but that is only the Bush administration)

Everyone has the right to be loved... the problem with that is that some people do things that are too horrible to forgive or just aren't amiable. There is no duty to love others, so although everyone has the right to be loved, there's no possible way it could be enforced...

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have the right to be 'loved' by Melkor. If you refuse this right, you're a nutcase, and will promptly be medicated and loved anyway. Do you understand these rights as they have been read to you?

I I really do not care about politics that much and I definitely am not some pinko commie liberal who likes smoking his marijuana all day and organizing a peaceful proletariat revolution by night(peaceful because war is bad according to the pinko commies).


You say that like it's bad or something?

Wow. Leave it to a tool to somehow mention President Bush on this thread.

No-everyone doesnt have the "right" to be loved.
Being loved is a privilege.

You do have the right to work toward earning it though.
I was just joking. :)

I just thought that the republicans were doing too much about the Terry Schiavo thing and decided to joke about that. I really do not care about politics that much and I definitely am not some pinko commie liberal who likes smoking his marijuana all day and organizing a peaceful proletariat revolution by night(peaceful because war is bad according to the pinko commies).

Don't be too offended by my use of Bush. :( *cries*

You say that like it's bad or something?

Yeah-they can spend some time at that. Then almost everyone grows up,goes into the real world and gets a job. And begin to function normally.

Yeah-they can spend some time at that. Then almost everyone grows up,goes into the real world and gets a job. And begin to function normally.
*kicks you where it counts*
You have a strange definition of normal when marijuana and revolution aren't a part of it! :eek:

Just wondering, really...


Christians are obligated to love everyone, so yes. But not some people's personalities :D

*kicks you where it counts*
You have a strange definition of normal when marijuana and revolution aren't a part of it! :eek:


*stopping your feeble attempt and licking your leg from one end to the other*


Ooops-wrong thread

You say that like it's bad or something?
I was just saying that I was not some anti-Bush liberal who takes every chance to attack him. To do that I was using the qualities that are seen as the most negative in leftists by people on the right of the political spectrum.

Just wondering, really...
It's a true tragedy that there are many children who grow to adulthood never having known if anyone really loved them. Although I don't consider it a "right" in the usual sense of the term on here, I think it's vitally necessary to each human's development to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is at least one other human being who loves them.

I hate this time warp. People are posting about my comments before they appear. :mad:

But on topic, sometimes loving some people is dangerous. It is not good to love a psychopath. Therefore, I would say that we must revoke the right to love psychopaths.Is it really that bad to love a psychopath (as long as you don't set him free or anything)? I mean, a psycopath has a serious chemical imbalance in his or her brain that reduces the ability to tell right from wrong. They don't get their right to be loved revoked, it's just not possible to demand from anyone to love them...

I hate this time warp. People are posting about my comments before they appear. :mad:

But on topic, sometimes loving some people is dangerous. It is not good to love a psychopath. Therefore, I would say that we must revoke the right to love psychopaths.

Sure. Everyone has the right to be loved. Do some people deserve it? Maybe not. But it's a right that everyone is entitled to.

Well, psychopaths also can have the amazing ability of making themselves lovable at first then using psychological torture to destroy a person. The reason I say that they should not be loved is so that the psychopath will not have as much ability to psychologically torture anyone.That's an issue of contact mainly, not an issue of denying them the right to be loved... denying them that is something deep, but contact is not something that isn't deniable.

Is it really that bad to love a psychopath (as long as you don't set him free or anything)? I mean, a psycopath has a serious chemical imbalance in his or her brain that reduces the ability to tell right from wrong. They don't get their right to be loved revoked, it's just not possible to demand from anyone to love them...
Well, psychopaths also can have the amazing ability of making themselves lovable at first then using psychological torture to destroy a person. The reason I say that they should not be loved is so that the psychopath will not have as much ability to psychologically torture anyone.

what was the essence of your position and your friends position, cabra? im not sure what you are asking.

Ahh! I do not exist, man that stinks.

Well, that is not entirely logical(it is funny :D )

Hey, are you arguing with my irrefutable logic? :D

Anyway, I was just following the rules for posting in the General forum, which is that there are only two possible positions on any given topic: The extreme liberal one (#1) and the extreme conservative one (#2).

Of course, I left out the libertarian position, which is that you have the right to own any damn kind of gun you please. (What that has to do with love is obvious to a libertarian.)

:p

Just wondering, really...
Well, it's not in here (http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm) so it is not a right. However, I think that people deserve to be loved. It would be completely impossible to defend such a right by law, as other rights can be legally defended.

My doubts weren't really of a legal nature, rather philosophical, really.

His argument was that everybody is entitled to love, even though there is no way to absolutely enforce this right.
My argument was that, since it's not enforcable in any way, it can't be a right. In my opinion, people who are loved just got lucky, it doesn't mean that they have a right to it, nor that they deserve it in any way. It's just luck, that's all.

I don't think you can "earn" love, either. Try as you might, if a person doesn't love you that is not going to change. You can't make a person love another. So, while it is true that you should prove yourself "worthy" of being loved, you cannot earn love in any way. Again, blind luck.

Just wondering, really...

Where was the "I love you all" option... cause I do :fluffle:

Well.. yeah. How the hell is anyone gonna stop someone from being loved if all didn't have the right anyway.

Does everybody have a right to be loved?I would say that love, like respect, has to be earned to a large extent. I mean, OK, when you first meet a potential partner (to use 'eros' love as an example) you don't think like that, but after you've been with them for a while, you realise you have to make sacrifices and compromises to make your relationship work and 'your love grow' (I fucking hate that phrase, but I couldn't think of anything that captured what I wanted to say better!).

I would say that love, like respect, has to be earned to a large extent. I mean, OK, when you first meet a potential partner (to use 'eros' love as an example) you don't think like that, but after you've been with them for a while, you realise you have to make sacrifices and compromises to make your relationship work and 'your love grow' (I fucking hate that phrase, but I couldn't think of anything that captured what I wanted to say better!).

That's true. But the "falling in love"-bit remains blind luck...

*bump

I think 'pool managed to kill it with his post of the Human Rights Declaration...

I think 'pool managed to kill it with his post of the Human Rights Declaration...

Na, I think it's just because nobody really cares ...

Everyone has the right to accept love if it is offered...

Everyone has the right to accept love if it is offered...

Hmm... so, could one demand love? In any situation?

Hmm... so, could one demand love? In any situation?

I suppose... but since there's no requirement for love to be given, it may fall on deaf ears. Love could be demanded conditionally: "if you don't give me the love I require, then I will [blank]"

I suggest that the only right is to accept or reject love if offered.

Most people do. That's why you see serial killers mothers on TV saying "He's such a good boy!"

IMO

Everyone needs to be loved
Everyone is loved
No one has the right to be loved, you can't force someone to give love or to love. They can act like they do but whether or not their intention is behind it is something you can't really force.
You are allowed to be loved but I'm wondering how you can dismiss it, if you don't want it...the action yeh but the intention?
(Hey how many sentences can I make with love in?)

Everyone BAR Phil Collins...

I really need to get therapy for my "ex drummer from Genesis" phobia.

Everyone has the right to accept love if it is offered...
This is a good proposal. I agree.

Everyone needs to be lovedWhy? Love is not something needed in order to survive.
Everyone is lovedImpossible to say for sure. I think you can however safetly say that most are loved by someone atleast somewhat.

Everyone BAR Phil Collins...

I really need to get therapy for my "ex drummer from Genesis" phobia.

Hehe, yuo need to have a chat to Commie Catholics or Harlesburg, they'll cure you soon enough... or kill you :D

Hehe, yuo need to have a chat to Commie Catholics or Harlesburg, they'll cure you soon enough... or kill you :D
:p

Why? Love is not something needed in order to survive.
Impossible to say for sure. I think you can however safetly say that most are loved by someone atleast somewhat.

I think the idea was that God loves everyone :)

Phil Collins is Massive!

Anyone that cannot respect him is pfff!

Phil Collins is Massive!

So... his size gives him a right to be loved?

So... his size gives him a right to be loved?
Not in that sense.
*BLINKS*

Not in that sense.
*BLINKS*

You're thinking dirty thoughts. Knock it off!

Love is neither a right nor a requirement. You can get through life perfectly fine without it, trust me.

Scanning through this I'm starting to see something odd. It seems that for a large portion of arguments rights seemed to be infered as something everyone has to do.

I have the right to bare arms, but I don't have to bare arms-if I want to I can-but I still have to haul off and buy the gun myself-I can't walk around demanding to be armed.

I have the right to persue happiness but no one is assigned to evalute how much happiness I've persued, nor can I check in to the Happiness Pursuit Department filling out the forms for a Happiness liscence.

It is virtually unenforcable to deny someone the potential for love, and the processes that would have to be used would in fact trample on established legal rights in order to be accomplished. I would say that logistaclly and legally that we have an almost unempeachable right to be loved.

A right is not so much a garauntee, but a garauntee of the potential, the opportunity. So I'd have to say yes, everyone does. That has no bearing on whether or not everyone will or even should.

You're thinking dirty thoughts. Knock it off!
Not in that sense :eek:
*BLINKS*

It is virtually unenforcable to deny someone the potential for love, and the processes that would have to be used would in fact trample on established legal rights in order to be accomplished. I would say that logistaclly and legally that we have an almost unempeachable right to be loved.

A right is not so much a garauntee, but a garauntee of the potential, the opportunity. So I'd have to say yes, everyone does. That has no bearing on whether or not everyone will or even should.Seconded. Damn, you beat me to it. And you said it better than I would have.