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*snicker*

Whoa, time warp!!

YOU SUCK :mp5:
I PUT TEH pwNAGE ON YOU!!!!!!!!! :sniper:

This is the trolliest example of trolling I have ever seen trolled in this troll-hoel we call NS.

I suggest insta-lock.

If you don't mind, I also have a question to ask of communists/Marxist's who know what they're talking about.

If you don't mind, I also have a question to ask of communists/Marxist's who know what they're talking about.
Then, if you don't want this thread to be locked, I suggest deleting that original post of yours.

Edit: Ah. I see. Well...nice knowing you.

WHICH OF YOU WANTS SOME OF THIS!!!!??????????!!!!!!!????????? :mad: :sniper:
whats going on here? :confused:

so i've been lured into a trollfest thread in the hope of earnestly asking a question about my beliefs? great... like that doesn't happen every day... but today there's the added bonus of confusing timewarps! :rolleyes:


edit: lol this should be post #10 :p :p

WHICH OF YOU WANTS SOME OF THIS!!!!??????????!!!!!!!????????? :mad: :sniper:

Ok, here is a question for communists.
What is the incentive for working hard in a communist system?
What safe-guards need to be implemented in order to prevent communism from becoming a cruel totalitarian government?
Why do you believe that communism is the best system?
Why do you think that capitalism is bad?

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I really just wanted to see what kind of reactions I would get, I should have done it when there was more people on.

Ok, here is a question for communists.
What is the incentive for working hard in a communist system?
What safe-guards need to be implemented in order to prevent communism from becoming a cruel totalitarian government?
Why do you believe that communism is the best system?
Why do you think that capitalism is bad?
I really cant be arsed to deal with this fully as i have to be off in a few mins but-
1) To help your fellow man
2) Bureacratic rotation. True democracy. Armed Workers. Worldwide revolution
3)Ultimate equality- nowt wrong with that
4) Encourages poverty, hatred and dictatorships (despite what the libertarians say)

The post order problem thats back really ruins already shit threads like this one.


Don't worry, you'll fit in nicely.

I would also like to add that I believe strongly against socialism, and I admit the fact that my opinion doesn't have that much value.

Ok, here is a question for communists.
What is the incentive for working hard in a communist system?
What safe-guards need to be implemented in order to prevent communism from becoming a cruel totalitarian government?
Why do you believe that communism is the best system?
Why do you think that capitalism is bad?

1) Further increase the economic system marginally, but if everyone does it marginally, together it becomes exponentially
2) Constant change of leaders, yet still devoted to the ideals. This way no one stays in offcie long enough to become corrupt. Revolutions are also handy; shows who's intentions.
3) Because of the lack of gap in wealth. No one truly needs that much money.
4) I don't. I just don't think that it's as good as communism. It is capable of causing worst things than communism.

I would also like to admit that I don't really know much about politics. What I do know is that I would be very unhappy living in a socialist nation of any sort, and I will add that many of my family were killed by Asian communists, who no doubt hate me as much as I hate them.

I really cant be arsed to deal with this fully as i have to be off in a few mins but-
1) To help your fellow man
2) Bureacratic rotation. True democracy. Armed Workers. Worldwide revolution
3)Ultimate equality- nowt wrong with that
4) Encourages poverty, hatred and dictatorships (despite what the libertarians say)
Interesting, but I do have to admit that the answer for the first question is probably the weakest. One of the strengths of capitalism is how much it encourages people to succeed. The 2nd answer might not be too bad if such policies could be implemented correctly without resistance. A government always suffers the human factor which includes corruption. The 3rd answer is very hard to argue against, a perfect society would probably be a communist society in some respects because communism can de-emphasize materialism(despite the fact it is often a materialist system) and consumerism. Really a communist system that works would probably have to be bound by some level of shared morality(to make sure no one tries to cheat the system or becomes dissatisfied with their position due to the unequal distribution of human talent). The 4th answer is sort of true if one is talking about unregulated capitalism, regulated capitalism is not too bad but unregulated capitalism might turn into rich enslaving the poor.

I will also say that none of my family were killed my Asian, or any other forms of communists. In fact my uncle served in the Soviet Red Army in the Napoleaonic wars. I simply made it up in the hope of gathering attention.

Interesting, but I do have to admit that the answer for the first question is probably the weakest. One of the strengths of capitalism is how much it encourages people to succeed.

Does it though? In a system where people working in sweatshops earn less than 70p a day, where is the incentive to work? Why do you think so many people become sick of being wage slaves and turn to crime or begging? Besides, under capitalism you have a mindset of being selfish, but in an environment where selflessness becomes beneficial and greed yields nothing, people's attitudes would change.


The 2nd answer might not be too bad if such policies could be implemented correctly without resistance. A government always suffers the human factor which includes corruption.
Thats why we should keep changing bureacrats so that nobody has enough time to exploit their position or other people. Also if the people are armed then the government could be kept under check.

The 4th answer is sort of true if one is talking about unregulated capitalism, regulated capitalism is not too bad but unregulated capitalism might turn into rich enslaving the poor.
It happens in all capitalism though. Ultimately your boss will take money from your labour for themselves- we're being robbed by the fat cats and not complaining.

I will also say that none of my family were killed my Asian, or any other forms of communists. In fact my uncle served in the Soviet Red Army in the Napoleaonic wars. I simply made it up in the hope of gathering attention.
Are you simply trying to get attention? The soviet army did not exist in the time of napolean. Go spam a more popular thread. :)

What is the incentive for working hard in a communist system?
because thats how society functions best, and thats how the most people gain benefit.
i'd like to point out now that there is much more than just one type of communist system; and also that economic growth and profit are not necessarily the primary goals of any communist system - i would say human happiness is more important (or at least it is for me)

What safe-guards need to be implemented in order to prevent communism from becoming a cruel totalitarian government?
can't answer as there are so many different types of communism.
communism is a economic model that can be combined with any political model - from democracy to monarchy to dictatorship/totalitarian reigime. the same check and balances or safeguards that need to be installed for the appropriate political system will evidently need to be installed when combined with a socialist economic model

of course, the communist or socialist economic model usually comes attached or related to a number of political and/or social stances that invariably influence the political model.


Why do you believe that communism is the best system?
i believe the system the UDCP has worked out to be the best system because it will allow people to be free from money, free from the "opression" of their managers, free to do any job they want and live their lives how they want, and, above all, its a matter of equality.
in capitalism we are not born equal in that we do not get the same chances or start in life. this will be more equal and allow greater freedom to live life how you want by removing the shackles of money - as long as you do contribute something to society


Why do you think that capitalism is bad?
alienation of the worker, profit is theft from the worker's pocket, rising rates of depression as consumerism skids out of control, corporations not only ruining the environment but also poisoning the people (mind and body) in trying to make short term profits. profit and money have become more important than people, happiness or the world in which we live in. it is unsustainable in its current form - and anything other than its current form would not be anywhere near as "efficient", and this negates the point of having a capitalist system.
i could go on but i can't be arsed :P

Are you simply trying to get attention? The soviet army did not exist in the time of napolean. Go spam a more popular thread. :) Be nice, please. I'm only trying to pass time.

They weren't soviets or the red army during the napoleanic wars. The war was in the early 1800s, while the soviets and the red army were after 1917.

Also, if he's your uncle you must be really old to only have 2 generations span almost 200 years like that.
If you're bald I love you. :)

I will also say that none of my family were killed my Asian, or any other forms of communists. In fact my uncle served in the Soviet Red Army in the Napoleaonic wars. I simply made it up in the hope of gathering attention.

They weren't soviets or the red army during the napoleanic wars. The war was in the early 1800s, while the soviets and the red army were after 1917.

Also, if he's your uncle you must be really old to only have 2 generations span almost 200 years like that.

Capitalists can die for all I care, I really have no interest in helping any kind of political group or faction or whatever you want to call it. And who said I was flaming? I'm only trying to start conversation.

A question: Why are there posts being quoted before they actually appear on the threads? Just asking, seeing how this discussion never really started.

Does it though? In a system where people working in sweatshops earn less than 70p a day, where is the incentive to work? Why do you think so many people become sick of being wage slaves and turn to crime or begging? Besides, under capitalism you have a mindset of being selfish, but in an environment where selflessness becomes beneficial and greed yields nothing, people's attitudes would change.

Thats why we should keep changing bureacrats so that nobody has enough time to exploit their position or other people. Also if the people are armed then the government could be kept under check.

It happens in all capitalism though. Ultimately your boss will take money from your labour for themselves- we're being robbed by the fat cats and not complaining.
My argument to the 1st comment is that selflessness requires teaching morality as part of society. This seems to contradict the level of freedom most people want because the government or society would be forced to brainwash people into doing what they want. Capitalism fails in 3rd world countries more than the developed nations, this is because the economy there is so much weaker anyway. Even if capitalism did not exist in those places they might still have economic problems involving starvation and sickness.

The constant switch of bureaucrats might come at some cost to system efficiency, the removal of people from offices for fear of corruption might also prevent the jobs from being done correctly or efficiently. Arming the masses might also give more power to radicals who wish to change the system(even against the will of the majority) and to criminals. What might happen in such a system is the centralization of power in some force(like a moral movement or a political party or even criminal interests) this might cause corruption due to the power that might be attained. Just because an economic system is different does not mean that human nature necessarily changes.

I do admit that some bosses are over paid but because of the importance of good leaders we do need bosses and we do need to pay these people for their expertise in running a business. Hierarchies can be very efficient, that is why the military is not a democracy.

I'm avoiding this thread like the plague. It started off shitty, and hasn't come out of it after two flaming pages. :rolleyes:

Original poster/flame warrior-- you've arrived at a battle of wits unarmed. Save yourself and let it die. You're not helping we capitalists in the least. :rolleyes:

A question: Why are there posts being quoted before they actually appear on the threads? Just asking, seeing how this discussion never really started.My daughters can't read.

Wow, what the fuck happened here?

I really just wanted to see what kind of reactions I would get, I should have done it when there was more people on.
And that's what we call trolling.

What is with this time warp?

What is the incentive for working hard in a communist system?
because thats how society functions best, and thats how the most people gain benefit.
i'd like to point out now that there is much more than just one type of communist system; and also that economic growth and profit are not necessarily the primary goals of any communist system - i would say human happiness is more important (or at least it is for me)

What safe-guards need to be implemented in order to prevent communism from becoming a cruel totalitarian government?
can't answer as there are so many different types of communism.
communism is a economic model that can be combined with any political model - from democracy to monarchy to dictatorship/totalitarian reigime. the same check and balances or safeguards that need to be installed for the appropriate political system will evidently need to be installed when combined with a socialist economic model

of course, the communist or socialist economic model usually comes attached or related to a number of political and/or social stances that invariably influence the political model.


Why do you believe that communism is the best system?
i believe the system the UDCP has worked out to be the best system because it will allow people to be free from money, free from the "opression" of their managers, free to do any job they want and live their lives how they want, and, above all, its a matter of equality.
in capitalism we are not born equal in that we do not get the same chances or start in life. this will be more equal and allow greater freedom to live life how you want by removing the shackles of money - as long as you do contribute something to society


Why do you think that capitalism is bad?
alienation of the worker, profit is theft from the worker's pocket, rising rates of depression as consumerism skids out of control, corporations not only ruining the environment but also poisoning the people (mind and body) in trying to make short term profits. profit and money have become more important than people, happiness or the world in which we live in. it is unsustainable in its current form - and anything other than its current form would not be anywhere near as "efficient", and this negates the point of having a capitalist system.
i could go on but i can't be arsed :P
Man I hate the whole time warpy thing. My post was displayed before yours but you posted before I did. It seems stupid to have to flip around the page just to see all of the new comments. :mad:

I tend to see economic progress as being very important though I am not a big fan of laissez faire capitalism. The whole argument that society functions best under communism seems more opinion than fact. Many people like capitalism because if you work hard and do the right things you will receive economic rewards. In a way, capitalism causes people to take the best jobs for society by giving them economic reward for doing so.

Right, I do understand where you come from on that post about safe-guards. I just posted the question because communists are afraid of the oppression of the rich while laissez faire capitalists are more afraid of the government. Communism is more designed to protect the people from exploitation by other people(rich oppressing poor) while it can be weaker when it comes to exploitation of government(centralization of economy as seen in communism can cause corruption in the people managing the economy)

I would argue that money in many instances is societies way of rewarding compliance. People who make the most money are seen to be doing the job that society needs the most. This is why engineers and doctors are better paid than many history majors and philosophy majors. Really, people are born differently due to inequitable distributions of ability and to a certain extent within a capitalist society with a strong economy what really keeps people back is their own lack of ability and weak systems of values(work ethic, poor ability to save and invest). Besides some people are needed to manage the economy which creates the oppression of the managers.

The final post is actually an attack on capitalist values which I will admit can be wrong. I hate consumerism too. Really profit does not really seem to be theft either, it is just a sign of a working industry, if conditions were bad the profit would disappear, and the profit created by industry encourages success for that industry. I also think that regulation is needed to address economic externalities such as pollution and the like. Of course the USSR(not the best example of communism) created lots and lots of pollution during its time and conditions there are horrible due to their economic policies(I am ignoring the social policies of massive murders for now). To a certain extent I do think that progress is more important than happiness.